Does anyone have any team or individual results

Does anyone have any team or individual results

I only have a few.

Team finish was Campbell County, Simon Kenton, Ryle

Individual matches of interest:  125: Supe tech Cooper, Schneider maj Cooper; 130: Hale dec Lonkard

wow, was cooper that overrated? or did he just have a bad day? does anyone know?

wow, was cooper that overrated? or did he just have a bad day? does anyone know?

Both guys were ranked ahead of him.  I wouldn't say overrated, just young, but very, very tough.

Both guys were ranked ahead of him.  I wouldn't say overrated, just young, but very, very tough.

supe is ranked at 119 though. and yeah schneider is ahead, but kirby had a better match with him and cooper, and cooper is higher than kirby...

supe is ranked at 119 though. and yeah schneider is ahead, but kirby had a better match with him and cooper, and cooper is higher than kirby...

Just found out Supe will stay at 125 and he is very, very close to Schneider (2a and 2b).  You can't judge things just by the score of the match.  You don't know if a guy is down by 3 or 4 and goes for a wild throw and ends up on his back to lose by 9 or if the guy stalled just to keep the match close in a close dual event.

Just found out Supe will stay at 125 and he is very, very close to Schneider (2a and 2b).  You can't judge things just by the score of the match.  You don't know if a guy is down by 3 or 4 and goes for a wild throw and ends up on his back to lose by 9 or if the guy stalled just to keep the match close in a close dual event.

yeah i guess you are correct on the score aspect of things. and what do you mean by he is close to schneider(2a and 2b)?

yeah i guess you are correct on the score aspect of things. and what do you mean by he is close to schneider(2a and 2b)?

They have gone back and forth and Supe was on fire at the end of the season last year.

I only have a few.

Team finish was Campbell County, Simon Kenton, Ryle

Individual matches of interest:  125: Supe tech Cooper, Schneider maj Cooper; 130: Hale dec Lonkard

Cooper High went 4-1 and finsihed 4th. 

Cooper 48 Newport 18

Cooper 54 Holmes 23

Cooper 24 Ryle 46

Cooper 48 Conner 33

Cooper 62 Dixie 12

Logan Jones (5-0 3pin), TJ Bates (4-0, 2pin), Lane Jones (3-0, 1pin: 4-2 Dec over Lonkard (Ryle))

For those of you that do not know Ryle sent it's varsity team to a tournament in Ohio.  Campbell Co and Simon Kenton did manage to beat their JV team. 

Wow you mean Lonkard is their JV wrestler? 

And by the way.  How did they get away with sending their JV team to the NKAC.  As I understand it every team is required to send their Varsity team to the NKAC. 

Is this another show of arrogance by Ryle?

Ryle had some kids knocked out of the SWOWCA on Friday night and those kids wrestled on Saturday at the NKAC.  There were four that I can think of.  That shows the strength of the program to send what is mostly a B team to the conference and still finish 3rd.

Ryle saw great competition at the SWOWCA Holiday Classic and will benefit from that later in the year.  A trip to the state duals was the price that they paid.

supe is ranked at 119 though. and yeah schneider is ahead, but kirby had a better match with him and cooper, and cooper is higher than kirby...

for the record kevin cooper dominated kirby goodwine at superduals i don't believe conference was kevin's best performance he can do much better than what he showed this weekend

All you really need in the NKAC is a full team to compete at this tourney. 

I would guess that Campbell, Ryle, and Simon Kenton were the only teams with full teams at the NKAC.

With the forfeits you recieve from the other teams it is very easy to defeat them with a partial B team. 

I do however ask the question again. 

When did they change the rules in the Conference? 

For as long as I can remember eveery Northern Kentucky team is contracted to send their varsity team to the NKAC.  Not their JV team their Varsity team.

This to me seems to be Ryle snubbing their noses at the rest of the NKAC team.  I am certain that Campbell, Conner, and Simon Kenton could find more competitive tourneys on this same date.  But they choose to keep the integrity of the NKAC and the wretling community in Northern Kentucky.

All you really need in the NKAC is a full team to compete at this tourney. 

I would guess that Campbell, Ryle, and Simon Kenton were the only teams with full teams at the NKAC.

With the forfeits you recieve from the other teams it is very easy to defeat them with a partial B team. 

I do however ask the question again. 

When did they change the rules in the Conference? 

For as long as I can remember eveery Northern Kentucky team is contracted to send their varsity team to the NKAC.  Not their JV team their Varsity team.

This to me seems to be Ryle snubbing their noses at the rest of the NKAC team.  I am certain that Campbell, Conner, and Simon Kenton could find more competitive tourneys on this same date.  But they choose to keep the integrity of the NKAC and the wretling community in Northern Kentucky.

Maybe you should stomp your feet and DEMAND an answer.  That always works for me. 

I am not an expert on the NKAC rules and will not claim to be.  I am a Ryle parent and I take offense to your claim of Ryle arrongance.  I am proud to be associated with this team and proud of our coaching staff.   Some of the finest in the state.  Our team has 2 tournaments on weekend several times throughout the season.  This is why we have 30-40 kids on our team......year after year.  They ALL get a chance to wrestle in tournaments.   I can assure you that there was no arrogance or "snub" to you or the wrestling community intended.

Maybe you should stomp your feet and DEMAND an answer.  That always works for me.     I can assure you that there was no arrogance or "snub" to you or the wrestling community intended.

Key word: intended

What is the purpose of the NKAC wrestling tournament?

What is the purpose of the NKAC wrestling tournament?

the top two teams repersent region 6 in the state duals

http://nky.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20081221/SPT0302/812210422&template=printart

December 21, 2008

Campbell Co. tops familiar foe | Well-acquainted Camels, Pioneers both go to state

By Marc Hardin | Enquirer contributor

Familiar foes faced off in the final wrestling match to decide the championship of Saturday's marathon, nine-hour Northern Kentucky Athletic Conference duals.

In the end, Campbell County wound up on top at the 11-team, round-robin meet, topping Simon Kenton 51-20 at Holmes.

The Camels, coached by Mike Bankemper, won 10 of 14 matches to subdue the Pioneers, coached by former Campbell County wrestler and Camels assistant coach Jim Wilbers, who wrestled and coached at Campbell under Bankemper.

Wilbers and Bankemper have remained friends and their teams wrestle each other often.

"These teams know each other very well. The kids know each other. So, no, there are no secrets, just good wrestling," said Bankemper.

His Camels finished 4-0 Saturday and improved to 13-1 in dual meets while earning an automatic berth in January's state dual-meet championships.

Simon Kenton, 4-1 on Saturday, also won a state dual-meet berth with its NKAC runner-up finish. The Pioneers improved to 8-5 in dual meets.

"Second place is good. It's a morale booster," said Wilbers, who earned his 98th career dual-meet victory Saturday in this his fifth season as Simon Kenton head coach. "This is good inspiration heading into the Christmas break."

Among the winners in the final match were Campbell County 145-pound junior Korey Shotwell, a state meet finalist last season, and 152-pound senior Dusty Brown, a third-place finisher at last season's state meet.

Brown, who transferred from Simon Kenton to Campbell County after his sophomore year, won all three of his matches Saturday and remained unbeaten on the season after defeating an old friend in the final match.

Brown, 4-0 after missing three weeks with an injured shoulder, defeated Simon Kenton junior Michael Beers.

"We've been friends since the sixth grade. I played youth football with him, so I know he's a pretty good athlete," said Brown, who needs to regularly ice his shoulder and take anti-inflammatory medicine. "I thought I did pretty good. My shoulder was sore after each match. But I'm going to wrestle through it, and it's going to be a good recovery."

Also winning for the Camels on Saturday were freshman Garth Yenter (103 pounds), senior Caleb Schneider (125), junior John Hale (130), junior Daniel Zink, sophomore Nick Meirose (171), junior Colin Friedly (189) and senior Jacob Ilig (215).

Schneider improved his record to 11-3.

"We like beating Simon Kenton. A lot of guys know each other and their coach used to help coach us," Schneider said. "Plus, this gives us a good chance to look at the competition from the region and get to know how they wrestle."

Among Simon Kenton winners in Saturday's final match were heavyweight Colin Patrick, 112-pounder Jared Yocum and Steven Norbury, who improved to 14-1 at 135 pounds.

Campbell County, Simon Kenton and Ryle, which did not travel with a full team, were Saturday's pool winners.

The Raiders, missing wrestlers competing at the Southwest Ohio Wrestling Coaches' Association Holiday Classic at Oak Hills, lost to the Camels and Pioneers in Saturday's second round, and finished the day 3-2.

First-year Cooper, drawing strength from wrestlers with previous experience at Conner and Ryle, was the top second-place team coming out of pool play and finished fourth at the duals with a record of 4-1.

Dixie Heights finished fifth, followed by Conner, Scott, Boone County, Newport, first-year Brossart and host Holmes.

Holmes wrestler Mark Jones, a returning state qualifier, improved to 11-0 at 189 pounds.

RYLE: Senior Will Hogben won the 171-pound championship as Ryle placed third in the Division I grouping at the Southwest Ohio Wrestling Coaches Association Glenn Sample Classic tournament at Oak Hills High School.

Seven Raiders placed in the 28-team event. Senior Jack Bradford nearly gave the Raiders a second individual champion but lost a 6-5 decision in the 189-pound title match against Andrew Tumlin of Harrison. Tumlin is a three-time state qualifier in Ohio, including finishing third at last season's Ohio's Division I state tournament.

Harrison won the Division I team title with 138 points. Ryle's 124 points left it three behind runner-up Princeton.

When did they change the rules in the Conference? 

For as long as I can remember every Northern Kentucky team is contracted to send their varsity team to the NKAC.  Not their JV team their Varsity team.

This to me seems to be Ryley snubbing their noses at the rest of the NKAC team.  I am certain that Campbell, Conner, and Simon Kenton could find more competitive tourneys on this same date.  But they choose to keep the integrity of the NKAC and the wrestling community in Northern Kentucky.

The NKAC has changed several times in the last 10 years. 

To answer oldwrestler81 there is no original intent for the NKAC tournament.  Most if not all the northern Kentucky schools have joined the NKAC.  This group is intended to showcase Northern Kentucky athletics, not just wrestling.  They have a Hall of Fame and a coaches association. 

Originally the NKAC wrestling tournament was an individual tournament that all the local schools attended in late Dec. or early Jan.  The NKAC picked up the tab for the medals and the championship team picture plaque.  All the profit is divided among the teams that attend the tourney. 

A few years after the state duals came along they changed the format to a round robin duals tournament with individual awards for the wrestler with the best record at each wt. class.  This year it became a duals tournament with no individual awards because of the number of teams (11).

Since the state duals started region 6 has used the NKAC to determine the two teams to represent region 6 in the state duals even before it became a duals competition.

As for the contract to attend with your varsity team?  This is not 100 percent true. 

When I asked about not attending the NKAC because my dual team could not compete and I wanted my wrestlers to wrestle another tourney, I was told I could not do so.  I then asked if I could just send my best wrestler(s) to the NKAC. Which one year would have only been Glossy.  I was once again told I shouldn't because we are suppose to send our best possible team to the tourney.  (I wanted to send the rest of my team to a JV tourney because the rest were 1st year wrestlers or just not ready for a major tourney).  Last year we (Holmes) had 4 wrestlers at the event and after injury and weather only had 1 wrestler on the second day, but I still attended when my whole team would have been better served if they attended a tourney with an individual setting. 

Ryle had every right to send whomever they wanted to the NKAC, but it is greatly frowned upon.  So you are only half correct GOO. :-o

Not sure about any other NKAC coaches or wrestlers, but Coach Bankemper didn't indicate he felt snubbed or was upset about it at all.  He seemed to understand it was what Coach Ruschell thought was best for his team.  He may have been being PC, but he didn't act offended in any way.  I think that was not the intention and the ryle coaches just wanted their kids to get ready for what matters most - state (and beyond).

Does Simon Kenton actually intend on going to state duals this year because a few years back they opted not to go and that allowed Campbell (the thrid place team) to go instead.

Ryle had some kids knocked out of the SWOWCA on Friday night and those kids wrestled on Saturday at the NKAC.  There were four that I can think of.  That shows the strength of the program to send what is mostly a B team to the conference and still finish 3rd.

Ryle saw great competition at the SWOWCA Holiday Classic and will benefit from that later in the year.  A trip to the state duals was the price that they paid.

Does anyone know how the points system works.  Seems to me that if Ryle is maxed out in points for the season, those four would have to sit something out later (or the whole varsity lineup).  My point being that the classic and nkac are two seperate varsity events and should count that way.  Unless the rules don't apply if you are in a different area code or from Ryle.

Does anyone know how the points system works.  Seems to me that if Ryle is maxed out in points for the season, those four would have to sit something out later (or the whole varsity lineup).  My point being that the classic and nkac are two seperate varsity events and should count that way.  Unless the rules don't apply if you are in a different area code or from Ryle.

I'm pretty sure the coaches at Ryle would have considered that when they put the schedule together.

the point system is that you are allowed 17 weigh ins per squad.  Varsity has 17 and JV has 17. (NOT INCLUDING POST SEASON) 

If a team wrestles every saturday this year that is 11 weigh ins that leaves 6 weekday events.

So the second day of a tourney doesn't count as a weigh in.  However the Nkac and the classic are not day one and day two they are two separate events.  So if varsity is allowed 17 weigh ins,  the nkac counts as one and the classic counts as one.  Unless they took their jv team to the classic.  I am going to pose this question to the khsaa next week.

So the second day of a tourney doesn't count as a weigh in.  However the Nkac and the classic are not day one and day two they are two separate events.  So if varsity is allowed 17 weigh ins,  the nkac counts as one and the classic counts as one.  Unless they took their jv team to the classic.  I am going to pose this question to the khsaa next week.

Have an issue with Ryle?  Are you posing the question as a result of this situation?  Yes, I am pretty confident that this would count as 2 weigh ins.  But, it has alreay been pointed out that there are only 11 weekends in the season.  I don't have contact with them, but I'm sure the staff at Ryle considered this when setting up their schedule.

Maybe you should stomp your feet and DEMAND an answer.  That always works for me. 

I am not an expert on the NKAC rules and will not claim to be.  I am a Ryle parent and I take offense to your claim of Ryle arrongance.  I am proud to be associated with this team and proud of our coaching staff.   Some of the finest in the state.  Our team has 2 tournaments on weekend several times throughout the season.  This is why we have 30-40 kids on our team......year after year.  They ALL get a chance to wrestle in tournaments.   I can assure you that there was no arrogance or "snub" to you or the wrestling community intended.

Being an raider wrestling parent a few years back, I totally agree.  I know that the coach just wants what is best for the kids.

Have an issue with Ryle?  Are you posing the question as a result of this situation?  Yes, I am pretty confident that this would count as 2 weigh ins.  But, it has alreay been pointed out that there are only 11 weekends in the season.  I don't have contact with them, but I'm sure the staff at Ryle considered this when setting up their schedule.

It's a rule thing, not a Ryle thing.  I realize that there are 11 weekends in the season, there are also 11 Wednesdays, 11 Thursdays and so on.  A dual on Wednesday counts as a weigh-in, the same as a tournament I believe.  So when you pack a schedule the way most teams do, to add another tournament or dual or whatever usually doesn't work(too many points). 

It's a rule thing, not a Ryle thing.  I realize that there are 11 weekends in the season, there are also 11 Wednesdays, 11 Thursdays and so on.  A dual on Wednesday counts as a weigh-in, the same as a tournament I believe.  So when you pack a schedule the way most teams do, to add another tournament or dual or whatever usually doesn't work(too many points). 

I haven't seen their schedule, but I know a lot of teams are limiting their weekday events.  You can only reasonably get in 2 or 3 matches on a week night, so it seems most everyone is maximizing their Saturdays with 5 duals or at least a pool tournament, and sometimes adding a Friday night so the kids are essentially only making weight once per week.

It's a rule thing, not a Ryle thing.  I realize that there are 11 weekends in the season, there are also 11 Wednesdays, 11 Thursdays and so on.  A dual on Wednesday counts as a weigh-in, the same as a tournament I believe.  So when you pack a schedule the way most teams do, to add another tournament or dual or whatever usually doesn't work(too many points). 

It sounds like you may be on to something.  But what's the big deal?  I mean if a kid wrestled on a friday and got beat out in the swoca, and went to a tournament their other team was at to wrestle (nkac)...to try and report something like that seems petty to me.  More like a technicality then something truly malicious.  I know people will say rules are rules, but it sounds like they had some kids that wanted to wrestle on Saturday, good for them. 

Maybe i don't have the right perspective, but I have never understood the ratioale behind the point system.  I didn't know Ky had a point system until it popped up in this discussion.

It sounds like you may be on to something.  But what's the big deal?  I mean if a kid wrestled on a friday and got beat out in the swoca, and went to a tournament their other team was at to wrestle (nkac)...to try and report something like that seems petty to me.  More like a technicality then something truly malicious.  I know people will say rules are rules, but it sounds like they had some kids that wanted to wrestle on Saturday, good for them. 

Maybe i don't have the right perspective, but I have never understood the ratioale behind the point system.  I didn't know Ky had a point system until it popped up in this discussion.

I think the point system is to keep everyone on as level a playing field as possible.  The teams with the resources and numbers could be sending multiple teams out to every tournament going on every Saturday.  Then they have a number of kids at each weight with a lot of experience.  An injury or eligibility issue comes up and there is another "varsity" kid to slide into the lineup.  The small teams or teams without the funds or coaching help can't do the same.  The second stringers should be competing mostly at JV events.

I only posed the question about what the rule states.  I would be a shame for a kid to miss out on something later in the season because of some technicality.  I am not completely clear on the point system in ky, it is different than in oh, which I am sure is different than pa and so on.

I only posed the question about what the rule states.  It would be a shame for a kid to miss out on something later in the season because of some technicality.    I am not completely clear on the point system in ky, it is different than in oh, which I am sure is different than pa and so on.

I see what you're saying, that's a good point and i agree with you there.

I think the point system is to keep everyone on as level a playing field as possible.  The teams with the resources and numbers could be sending multiple teams out to every tournament going on every Saturday.  Then they have a number of kids at each weight with a lot of experience.  An injury or eligibility issue comes up and there is another "varsity" kid to slide into the lineup.  The small teams or teams without the funds or coaching help can't do the same.  The second stringers should be competing mostly at JV events.

That's what I thought it was for, and that's what I don't like about it.  I think we've discussed this in the past.  But it seems like this is the type of rule that will only hold our state back and therefore hurt our kids.  Our state is good for this i think.  For example, in Ohio I believe their h.s. coaches can coach in the off season by coaching freestyle/greco where as in Kentucky we are prohibited.  In that case, we are screwing our own kids.  If a team has the resources/support to go to 2 tournaments on 1 weekend then I say that's great for them and great for our state.  As long as everyone is allowed to do this.  Not every school will support their team in such a way, that's a shame, but why hold the whole state back because of that?  Am I right or am I right Ranger?

That's what I thought it was for, and that's what I don't like about it.  I think we've discussed this in the past.  But it seems like this is the type of rule that will only hold our state back and therefore hurt our kids.  Our state is good for this i think.  For example, in Ohio I believe their h.s. coaches can coach in the off season by coaching freestyle/greco where as in Kentucky we are prohibited.  In that case, we are screwing our own kids.  If a team has the resources/support to go to 2 tournaments on 1 weekend then I say that's great for them and great for our state.  As long as everyone is allowed to do this.  Not every school will support their team in such a way, that's a shame, but why hold the whole state back because of that?  Am I right or am I right Ranger?

Yeah, I guess you are right, but every state has this type of restriction.  And from what I hear our 17 is pretty generous.  I'm sure there are other rationales behind it as well.  Like safety; not wrestling kids in 200 matches per season.  Regarding the off season coaching, I think there is a strong movement under way to get that fixed.  I have heard from some of the top coaches who are working to get that situation resolved.

Yeah, I guess you are right, but every state has this type of restriction.  And from what I hear our 17 is pretty generous.  I'm sure there are other rationales behind it as well.  Like safety; not wrestling kids in 200 matches per

season.  

That sounds reasonable.

Regarding the off season coaching, I think there is a strong movement under way to get that fixed.  I have heard from some of the top coaches who are working to get that situation resolved.

That's pretty sweet.

I would like to see Ryle attend the state duals. Undoubtedly, they are one of the top 2 teams in Northern Ky. I spoke with Coach Ruschell over the weekend, they had applied for SWOCA 3 years in a row and finally got accepted. If he declined, Ryle never would have been allowed to attend in the future. Personally, I think he made the right decision. I have seen a tremendous decline in the quality of Northern Ky wrestling over the last several years. Although each school outside of Ryle and CC have a few isolated good kids, the overall depth and competition is down, as it relates to overall team strength and depth.

Ryle is now at the mercy of Simon Kenton's Coach as to which team will be attending the state duals. I believe Ryle has a very legitimate chance of winning state duals if they attend. Simon Kenton has some very tough kids in their line up and they may want to see the state dual competition.  The NKAC collectively decided the top teams in the NKAC tournament attend state duals. Simon Kenton has earned the spot.

Ryle has a top notched Kentucky program. For those of you who feel snubbed, too bad. I don't think Ruschell is arrogant, he's hard core. There is a difference. He is trying and succeeding in making Ryle one of the best teams in Ky.

Well Said "I pinned em all except me".  The coaches classic is definitely a top tier tournament, where several college coaches were in attendance. There are many teams that cannot get accepted, definitely a risky move. However, not all teams accepted go to the state duals, so there is a chance they will get in.

I don't voice my opinion very much on this forum.

If Ryle chose to go to a tournament in Ohio and bypass the qualifier for state duals in their region, They should not be in state duals.  Maybe they thought they would still qualify.

If it was for making their program better, we as a state are heading in the right direction.

"except me",  Only because we because we never shook hands on the mat!  But it's not too late!

"except me",  Only because we because we never shook hands on the mat!  But it's not too late!

2 man enter....1 man leave....2 man enter....1 man leave. 

VisionQuest - I'm sure the Ryle coaches thought there was a chance they would not qualify for the state duals when they chose to go to swoca, and they're probably fine with the consequences.  I gotta admire the coaches at Ryle and how they put their kids success above team accolades.  Like grapplehed said, there were college scouts there and if their kids knocked off a highly ranked kid that would really open doors.  I believe there's a kid from Elder that was there ranked #1 in the nation at 215 (Orlando Scales).  You never know when a guy scouting that kid sees a kid from your team. 

you will have to get down to my weight old man! I will have to check with my heart doctor first, he may not advise to such rigorous activity.

"I'm sure the Ryle coaches thought there was a chance they would not qualify for the state duals when they chose to go to swoca, and they're probably fine with the consequences.  I gotta admire the coaches at Ryle and how they put their kids success above team accolades.  Like grapplehed said, there were college scouts there and if their kids knocked off a highly ranked kid that would really open doors."

I think I stated that in less words..

I also think they made the right decision to make their team better.

you will have to get down to my weight old man! I will have to check with my heart doctor first, he may not advise to such rigorous activity.

Somebody's already makin excuses, check with your doctor is he your tag team partner?

So when is this match taking place?

I have seen a tremendous decline in the quality of Northern Ky wrestling over the last several years. Although each school outside of Ryle and CC have a few isolated good kids, the overall depth and competition is down, as it relates to overall team strength and depth.

The NKAC collectively decided the top teams in the NKAC tournament attend state duals. Simon Kenton has earned the spot.

Ryle has a top notched Kentucky program. For those of you who feel snubbed, too bad. I don't think Ruschell is arrogant, he's hard core. There is a difference. He is trying and succeeding in making Ryle one of the best teams in Ky.

IPEA-

You are correct that the overall TEAM competition has diminished in NK.  However, as you know, this tourney was not always set up this way.  The old individual tourney would still be competitive.  We can see this by looking at Rangers rankings.  Ever since the NKy teams decided to make this a dual tourney it has gone down hill.  In my opinion the best format was when they had an individual pool tourney.  (I believe they did this for a few years before moving to the dual format).

My question is this.  Will this be the end of the NKAC?  Who will not attend next year?  Ryle may have started something that can't be stopped.  Like B-L said.  He tried to not attend but was told he really can't.  I'm sure other coaches have thought the same way over the years.

Arrogant or hard core.  I guess it depends on your definition.  Being a Campbell Co. wrestler I believe in the Bankemper way.  He understands that to make your team competitive you must make the teams around you competitive.  Coach B. would and probably still will help any team in Nky if not the state, to become more competitive.  The NKAC helps in this cause.  By allowing the smaller programs in Nky to compete with the likes of Campbell, Ryle and in the past Conner and Simon Kenton it helps develop their programs.  Once again we can see the corelation between the competitiveness of the lower tier schools with the change in the format of the NKAC.  

If the Ryle coaches believe that they should or will still get to attend the KENTUCKY state duals then I call their actions arrogant.  If they don't believe this then I would call him hard core, because he sacrificed his team for the few top tier wrestlers in his program.  

You're missing the point as to why Ryle wen't to the SWOWCA toournament.  They did not go to showcase a few kids.  They went to find the toughest competitiion for all of theit kids because that's what makes them better.  That's why they went to the Dayton tournament the next week, then St. X. (ohio) the next week then Bellbrook (Ohio) the week after that

you will have to get down to my weight old man! I will have to check with my heart doctor first, he may not advise to such rigorous activity.

Your doctor would tell you shaking my hand on the mat is ill advised, it would be hazardous to your health.

Your doctor would tell you shaking my hand on the mat is ill advised, it would be hazardous to your health.

Listen to him here Grapplehed, you get caught under his girth on a double leg, your back will never be the same.

He would have to get in there first! My legs are virgin to the opponents hands.

He would have to get in there first! My legs are virgin to the opponents hands.

No I'm saying if you shoot in on him and get caught under his girth...i.e. he sprawls on you.  Knees could buckle, herniated disc...bad news.  Not quite as bad as if I flopped down on you, but it wouldn't be fun. 

I would like to see Ryle attend the state duals. Undoubtedly, they are one of the top 2 teams in Northern Ky. I spoke with Coach Ruschell over the weekend, they had applied for SWOCA 3 years in a row and finally got accepted. If he declined, Ryle never would have been allowed to attend in the future. Personally, I think he made the right decision. I have seen a tremendous decline in the quality of Northern Ky wrestling over the last several years. Although each school outside of Ryle and CC have a few isolated good kids, the overall depth and competition is down, as it relates to overall team strength and depth.

Ryle is now at the mercy of Simon Kenton's Coach as to which team will be attending the state duals. I believe Ryle has a very legitimate chance of winning state duals if they attend. Simon Kenton has some very tough kids in their line up and they may want to see the state dual competition.  The NKAC collectively decided the top teams in the NKAC tournament attend state duals. Simon Kenton has earned the spot.

Ryle has a top notched Kentucky program. For those of you who feel snubbed, too bad. I don't think Ruschell is arrogant, he's hard core. There is a difference. He is trying and succeeding in making Ryle one of the best teams in Ky.

I am sorry but you are kidding(I hope).  Would SK's coach even consider this?  Why don't we just skip the regional tourney and send the top 16 ranked kids to Frankfurt.  While were at it we can skip the state tourney(we could rank the kids at the beginning of the season and skip the whole thing). This is the kind of crap that keeps holding Ky wrestling back, no legitimacy.  As far as feeling snubbed, if for any reason Ryle goes to the state duals I am sure a lot more people will feel "snubbed".  What a joke!!

The state needs to set rules and stick to them. I have no dog in this fight but as a fan I would hope that only teams that earn a spot are the ones attending the State Duals. If they simply didnt have enough teams trying to qualify that would be reason to invite an at-large team, but I dont think thats the case here. If a Coach of a qualifying team opts not to attend because he doesnt think his team can win or compete with the best teams then they probably are in the wrong profession. All that would do is send a terrible message to his team.

Ryle's Coach's know what they are doing, they are a smart group and their teams do great. If they choos to bypass one tough meet (NKAC and State Duals) for another, thats their decision to make. I'm not sure which I would choose, I know the competition would be better at the GMVAC but theres something special to the kids about competing in a State Duals too!

Simon Kenton's boys will benefit greatly be attending the State Duals which could provide some of the best competition they will see all season. Perhaps from kids they would never see during the season. The experience they gain from going to State Duals could be difference in a match at the State Tournament.

Evilledad you are 100% correct.  However, Clancy should remember what SK did during the 2007 state dual tournament.  Their coach did not anticipate being a top 2 team at NKAC, therefore he scheduled another tournament in Ohio for that same weekend as the state duals.  Campbell County thought they were going to the state duals and left that weekend open.  SK's coach opted out and sent the #3 NKAC team (CC) instead. 

At the beginning of this season, I doubt SK's coach felt he would beat CC or Ryle and likely scheduled another tournament during the state duals weekend.  Interestingly, Ryle has an opening during the state dual weekend.  So, I beg the question, will this year be a repeat of 2007?  In no way was I saying anything negative about SK.  As I said earlier, they earned it and they have every right to attend. 

Indiana has their duals at the end of the season, maybe that would be something for KY to consider to avoid the scheduling issue.

Apparently Clancy has some hard feelings towards Ryle.  I know the coaches there and in no way they are tryng to snub anyone.  They waited 3 years to get into the tournament in question.  It is equal to or better than the KY state tournament as is the GMVWA in Dayton.  Both tournament had college scouts or had wrestlers competing that college scouts were recruiting. 

Is it fair to say that they snubbed because they chose to send Ruschell, Peace and Reid to the Beast during the same weekend in the past? May have cost them a one seed instead of two.

As for the state duals, most state qualify by the number of returning qualifiers from the previous season.  Scheduling is tough enough.  So do you schedule a tournament, pay an entry fee then find out you qualify for state duals pay the fine and piss a school off by screwing the tournament up? or do leave it open with the possibilities of getting into another tournament? 

State has no bearing on the State Duals, it is run by the coaches association not the KHSAA.  Henry Clay gets to attend because they are the host school. ????

Some of the top schools in the past would not attend due to travel distance or simply scheduling conflicts.

NKAC has changed its format three times in the last 6 years.  As for Ryle being arrogant thats not right.  Since when has it been Ryles job to make Northern Kentucky better.  Its Not!  As for Campbell County caring about the other and making them better I think they should leave kids to wrestle for the schools they started at.  Campbell County is looking more and more like a Northern Kentucky All-Star Team.   That alone would have helped teams like SK, Newport, and Conner.  At that rate no school is safe.  Bishop Brossart better watch out.  Who wouldn't want to coach that kind of team.  Ryle can at least say that there kids have been with the program since Middle school.  Don't for a minute think Ryle hasn't done its part to help Northern Kentucky wrestling.  Between camps and summer tournaments, and letting teams in there Raider Rumble so they can wrestle the better competition.  Ryle is on the rise and doing the right thing and people around here are just jealous at the rate they are doing it.  If Ryle keeps at the rate it is at you will see there name not just locally or state wide, but nationally.  One big difference between Ryle and other teams are the kids.  They believe in the system ever since middle school.  If they go to State Duals or not Ryle still knows they that they will be at the top of the leader board come Feb.  It is easy to talk about team when you know nothing about the program.  Those Ryle coaches are at the top of the coaches in the State if not the best.  If you think that it won't last just wait until the one in Wisconsin comes back.  They won't look back.

If you think that it won't last just wait until the one in Wisconsin comes back.

CC calls dibs on him.  Watched his match tonight.  Pretty cool.  That Metcalf is awesome.

Cock21, explain how CC makes kids attend their school, please?  I would like for you to educate me exactly how CC does so. Secondly, where did Bradford and Hogben go to middle school? Ruschell and Bankemper are two coaches at the absolute opposite end of the coaching spectrum in style, yet both are excellent. I would send my son to either school.

Cock21, explain how CC makes kids attend their school, please?  I would like for you to educate me exactly how CC does so. Secondly, where did Bradford and Hogben go to middle school? Ruschell and Bankemper are two coaches at the absolute opposite end of the coaching spectrum in style, yet both are excellent. I would send my son to either school.

Bradford started in the Raider youth program then attended Gray middle school. Hogben moved from Michigan after his freshman year.

Dear Cock21, I just watched the number one team in the Nation this past weekend. No offense to Ryle, but I don't believe a Kentucky school will register on the National TEAM radar screen for some time. No doubt Ruschell has placed Ryle on the Kentucky map. But really, try to be serious.

Dear Cock21, I am waiting for you to say "My dad can beat up your dad". Lol, try not to let your DNA bias speak so loudly! Relax, I am a big fan of Coach Ruschell and the Ryle program. Just try not to let your idiocy speak negatively of Coach Bankemper and the CC program. Sometimes a state champ moves into your district, like Ryle's first state champ, J. Blackmore happened to leave Boone County High School and enter Ryle High School. As of yet, no state champ has moved into CC, just a couple of good kids.

Enough already... there has to be something more interesting to discuss... lets move on...

Point 1.

Look, the NKAC has been going on the same dragging weekend for the last 300 years.  It could be settled in a much easier and simpler format without taking up a tournament weekend. It is my understanding some of the coaches are working on this. 

2. go to the # number of returning qualifiers as I mentioned before and the teams are set the year before.

Sorry Cockadoodle but the following names were not in the MS program, Blackmore-SC, Fassbender-SC, Koehler-Runner up, I forget the other SC's at Ryle. 

and For the record, "my dad did beat up his dad", sister too!

 Don't for a minute think Ryle hasn't done its part to help Northern Kentucky wrestling.  Between camps and summer tournaments, and letting teams in there Raider Rumble so they can wrestle the better competition.  

Camps and summer tourneys are to make $$$ for their program.

As for the Raider Rumble don't get me started on that old sore thumb.  Inviting us then telling us we can't come on Friday morning before the tourney. 

One big difference between Ryle and other teams are the kids.  They believe in the system ever since middle school.

Most of the other top schools have this same dedication and belief in their team and program from grade school through high school and beyond.

Apparently Clancy has some hard feelings towards Ryle.  I know the coaches there and in no way they are tryng to snub anyone.  They waited 3 years to get into the tournament in question.  It is equal to or better than the KY state tournament as is the GMVWA in Dayton.  Both tournament had college scouts or had wrestlers competing that college scouts were recruiting. 

Is it fair to say that they snubbed because they chose to send Ruschell, Peace and Reid to the Beast during the same weekend in the past? May have cost them a one seed instead of two.

As for the state duals, most state qualify by the number of returning qualifiers from the previous season.  Scheduling is tough enough.  So do you schedule a tournament, pay an entry fee then find out you qualify for state duals pay the fine and piss a school off by screwing the tournament up? or do leave it open with the possibilities of getting into another tournament? 

State has no bearing on the State Duals, it is run by the coaches association not the KHSAA.  Henry Clay gets to attend because they are the host school. ????

Some of the top schools in the past would not attend due to travel distance or simply scheduling conflicts.

I will say again, this has nothing to do with Ryle.  I could care less what Ryle does.  This has do do with rules and precedence.  If a school (Ryle in this case) wants to send their varsity team to a tougher tourney, go for it(I would).  However, you sacrafice a chance to go to the state duals.  That's it for me, nothing more.  In this case Ryle varsity went to the classic, I felt none of the two and outs should have been at the nkac, they were and I really don't care that much I just wonder what the rules state, they then gave up the state duals for a better tourney.  If you want you can use the name Anyteam USA in place of Ryle, but in this case it happens to be Ryle's actions that have bought this to the forefront.

If Ryles jv would have placed 1st or 2nd at the nkac, I would argue that the same line-up should go to the state duals,  with the exception of injuries(none of the guys that weren't at the nkac).  Maybe you could think of it as one weigh-in, once at the nkacs and once at the state duals, therefore it is one tourney. 

On the same subject, can anyone explain the state duals to me.  I am not from KY and don't recall any "state duals" in any other top wrestling states (OH, PA, NJ, NY).  Why does ky do them at all?  I may be wrong about the other states, I just never heard of them.  Seems to me if teams want to get in better tourneys, then KY could get rid of the duals all together, seems like some teams feel forced to go (like Christmas with the in-laws, you go and smile but you would rather be somewhere else).

State duals makes perfect sense to me. There are 2 types of good teams. Good tournament teams and good dual teams. A good tournament team could have 3 or 4 studs/champions and win a team tournament but that same team may be terrible in a dual because their teammates are weak.Vice versa for a good dual team.

Last year Trinity were state dual champs while Union ran away with the KHSAA tournament. See, both were state champs!

Personally, I like it.

I have a question for the Simon Kenton fans; Is Simon Kenton going to the state duals this year or do they have prior commitments?

State duals makes perfect sense to me. There are 2 types of good teams. Good tournament teams and good dual teams. A good tournament team could have 3 or 4 studs/champions and win a team tournament but that same team may be terrible in a dual because their teammates are weak.Vice versa for a good dual team.

Last year Trinity were state dual champs while Union ran away with the KHSAA tournament. See, both were state champs!

Personally, I like it.

I have a question for the Simon Kenton fans; Is Simon Kenton going to the state duals this year or do they have prior commitments?

I guess it is the attempt to make wrestling a team sport.  But from my point of view it hurts the guys that would benefit from the tougher competition.  "Hey what did you place in the Classic?"..."I didn't go, but we won the state duals in KY!!".  I just don't see any benefit to it, waste of two weekends to me.

I guess it is the attempt to make wrestling a team sport.  But from my point of view it hurts the guys that would benefit from the tougher competition.  "Hey what did you place in the Classic?"..."I didn't go, but we won the state duals in KY!!".  I just don't see any benefit to it, waste of two weekends to me.

Some states determine their team state champions with this format (maybe IN), so I wouldn't completely dismiss it.  I do agree that the "regional duals" concept has built in some scheduling difficulties for KY, but I think it is something that the coaches will figure out.  Maybe it is time for the NKAC to be looked at.  Maybe it isn't in the best interests of the teams to continue it, at least as it is currently formatted.

Just a suggestion why don't coaches try to get the state dual be a tournament that does not count against the 17 limit.  Since you have to qualify to wrestle in it you should not be penalized for having a good team.

Sounds like I struck a nerve with I-pined-no-one.  There has never been a state champ or state placer ever move to Ryle.  They trained and they became state champs or state placers at Ryle (big difference).  All of the other State champs Ruschell, Aylor, Peace, Reid all wrestled for Gray.  Hogben(Michigan), Fassbender(Ohio), and Koehler(Upper Ohio) they are not from our area.  I never said CC made anyone go there.  That was just funny that CC is trying to make the wrestling around here better with kids from other schools that are around here. As for Blackmore they moved so Jordan could wrestle remember Boone didn't have a program.  The difference between Ryle and Boone at that time Ryle was interested in having a wrestling team.  I didn't say look back since Ryle program started to find kids that didn't attend Gray.  Look at there line-up right now and you can only find two kids that didn't wrestle for Gray.  Hogben moved from Michigan freshman year, And the heavy weight started two years ago.  Ryle didn't make a dime for the camp they host with Barry Davis, and Kyle Ruschell.  As for the Rumble if you don't think that happens any where else get serious.  It happens.

On the same subject, can anyone explain the state duals to me.  I am not from KY and don't recall any "state duals" in any other top wrestling states (OH, PA, NJ, NY).  Why does ky do them at all?  I may be wrong about the other states, I just never heard of them.  Seems to me if teams want to get in better tourneys, then KY could get rid of the duals all together, seems like some teams feel forced to go (like Christmas with the in-laws, you go and smile but you would rather be somewhere else).

Ohio Duals - 2009 Event Info

2009 OHSWCA-sponsored Ohio Duals

January 11, 2009

Division I @ Wadsworth

# 1 Lakewood St. Edward vs. # 8 Grove City Central Crossing

# 5 Cincinnati Moeller vs. # 4 Elyria

# 3 Wadsworth vs. # 6 Cincinnati St. Xavier

# 7 Beavercreek vs. # 2 Massillon Perry

Division II @ St. Paris Graham (NEW SITE)

# 1 St. Paris Graham vs. # 8 Perry

# 5 Harrison Central vs. # 4 Medina Highland

# 3 Lexington vs. # 6 Columbus St. Francis DeSales

# 7 New Richmond vs. # 2 Hunting Valley University School

Division III @ Evergreen

# 1 Troy Christian vs. # 8 Monroeville

# 5 West Jefferson vs. # 4 Bedford St. Peter Chanel

# 3 Marion Pleasant vs. # 6 Elmwood

# 7 Clinton-Massie vs. # 2 Cuyahoga Heights

Ohio Duals - Selection Process

O.H.S.W.C.A.-Sponsored

Ohio Duals Team Tournament

QUALIFYING FORMULA

A. Four points for each underclass member of their team that qualifies for the District Tournament.

B. Four bonus points for each underclass member of their team that wins one or more matches at the District Tournament.

C. Teams receive all team points earned by underclassmen competing in the District Tournament.

D. In the event an alternate has the opportunity to compete in the District, he will be scored the same as any other qualifier. If an alternate does not have the opportunity to compete, they will not count in accumulating team points.

E. The top two teams will be invited to compete in the Ohio Duals. In the event a team declines, the invitations will be offered in order of team finish based on the above formula.

F. In the event of a tie, the team with the most district qualifiers is invited.

G. In the event of a tie, the team with the most District champions (then 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc.) is invited.

http://www.ohswca.com/

Information found on Ohio High School Wrestling Coaches Association Website

Maybe we could adopt some of their qualifying criteria statewide instead of letting the conference decide who attends state duals. 

In my opinion its important to establish the team duals to help develop the importance of team wrestling in a state still trying to continue the growth of the sport. I think KY wrestling has improved and grown a great deal in the last 5-10 yrs but to sustain that growth it needs to continue to improve and grow the numbers of kids wrestling.

I think its important for the state to promote State Duals because it does emphasize the team aspect and recognize the ultimate team effort which includes all the wrestlers not just the ones that medal each weekend.

Those are the kids that add to the numbers that ultimately grow the sport.

I have always thought the current setup for duals created to long of a day, and diminished the competitive aspect of the event. Lets face there aren't that many teams with a  legitimate shot at winning state duals, so why prolong the fact and make the day so long that traveling schools have to lay over because the tournament last so long. No wonder some teams from far away don't care to attend, if they aren't going to be that competitive and its going to be expensive, lets eliminate that problem. Reduce the number of teams competing on championship weekend and it becomes more competitive and less expensive to attend.

This is not as complicated as it sounds, but is compounded by the lack of authority directing the sport. The state or the coaches whoever has any control (and I use that term loosely, because the state, I don't think is directly involved in duals and the Coaches Assoc sort of exist, sort of doesn't, certainly not the presence it could be in the sport). The Coaches Assoc could really become more active in the sport.

Set scheduling so that the duals qualification is all decided on inter region duals and then have the 8 region championship teams in an 8 team dual bracket. 1st round would be 4 duals between neighboring regions during the week, dueling for a chance to attend Championsip weekend at a central location with the top 4 teams wrestling the weekend before state.

This is the same format or similar as to how Indiana does it and it works well. If coaches are opposed to wrestling the weekend before state schedule for the weekend after state or find a weekend that doesn't compromise the regular season schedule.

Please don't blast me for this post, I don't expect these ideas to provide all the answers, but could be a good working base to build upon.

Just an idea on how to possibly improve an already good event for the sport.

Lets hear other ideas on how to improve this aspect of the sport.

Both Minnesota and Wisconsin have state dual meet Tournaments.  I also know MN duals are the same weekend as state.  

as an example.  

Morning session Class I  duals   Class II individual

evening Class I individual  Class II duals

This makes state three days long and a few kids wrestle in both but they have been doing this for years and it has seemed to work.

Sounds like I struck a nerve with I-pined-no-one.  There has never been a state champ or state placer ever move to Ryle.  They trained and they became state champs or state placers at Ryle (big difference).  All of the other State champs Ruschell, Aylor, Peace, Reid all wrestled for Gray.  Hogben(Michigan), Fassbender(Ohio), and Koehler(Upper Ohio) they are not from our area.  I never said CC made anyone go there.  That was just funny that CC is trying to make the wrestling around here better with kids from other schools that are around here. As for Blackmore they moved so Jordan could wrestle remember Boone didn't have a program.  The difference between Ryle and Boone at that time Ryle was interested in having a wrestling team.  I didn't say look back since Ryle program started to find kids that didn't attend Gray.  Look at there line-up right now and you can only find two kids that didn't wrestle for Gray.  Hogben moved from Michigan freshman year, And the heavy weight started two years ago.  Ryle didn't make a dime for the camp they host with Barry Davis, and Kyle Ruschell.  As for the Rumble if you don't think that happens any where else get serious.  It happens.

No nerve struck Cock21, you give yourself too much credit, again.

I respect your team and family pride for Ryle high school, bravo. But your pride shouldn't come at the expense of putting down other schools. Other people were apparently offended by Ryle not showing up to the NKAC with their varsity team. I wasn't offended, frankly, I didn't care. However, suck it up and realize, some people were. You can disregard their concerns or INTELLIGENTLY explain why Ryle didn't attend, or just ignore them. Unfortunately, you choose neither. Rather, you attacked another program, Campbell County, implying they are stealing wrestlers from other programs. Your retort was inappropriate and you falsely accused another school of bad behavior in order to justify Ryle's decision not to attend the NKAC.  I'm not sure how your convoluted mind justified the attack against CC and Coach Bankemper, perhaps you can explain or apologize.

Clearly, you have no intelligent point to make about Ryle, you just randomly go on the attack of other schools. Personally, I feel some of the comments made about Ryle were irrelevant and lacking merit. I believe Ryle has an excellent coaching staff and I would love to have my son wrestle for them if we lived closer.  Their hard core coaching style is more consistent with my personality and style.  I suggest you ignore the criticisms made by others or dispute them using logic and facts. But don't try to legitimize Ryle by putting down another school.  Calling your behavior childish is an understatement. (Some people may think my calling you Cock21 is childish, I thought it was down-right funny). If you didn't laugh at that, you need help, that was funny.

State champs like Blakemoore and Fassbinder move into Ryle's district and you feel their move was legitimate and Ryle accepting them was noble. But if a kid moves into the CC district they were stolen. An interesting spin, don't you think?

I will refer you to the St Paris Graham(SPG) thread. Notice, alot of wrestlers move to the SPG so their kids can wrestle for Jordan. Alot of kids go to CC so their kids can wrestle for Coach Bankemper. Both coaches have similiar reputations off the mat, CLASS. Likewise, I bet Blakemoore and Fassbender moved to Ryle because of Coach Ruschell's style and approach to wrestling. You should feel honored, not defensive.

Hogben moved to Ryle after his freshman year, that means he moved in his sophomore year. That year he placed in state. Where would your team be this year without the 2 "move ins"? Certainly, not where they are now. Heck, if Dusty Brown wouldn't have moved to CC and Hogben didn't move into Ryle, I bet Simon Kenton would have beat Ryle's varsity in the 2008 NKAC, lol, then we wouldn't be fighting right now, would we?

I find it totally amazing how someone's post can be totally turned around.  I don't have a dog in this fight and could really care less... but find the posts interesting... but mostly petty.  I have heard many rumors about kids "moving" into other school districts to join certain programs... and frankly don't much blame them if they feel it will better their kids... as long as they really move into those districts.  I have heard there are a few individuals that have changed schools but not actually moved into the schools district... that should not be allowed. 

For the record I did not read any criticism of CC or Coach B... I think he and his program is one to be commended... and I think there are some individuals on this thread looking for a fight where there isn't one.  The way I read the comment was more about the "moving" issue.

My hat goes to both the Ryle and CC programs... they are among the best in the state.

I find it totally amazing how someone's post can be totally turned around.....For the record I did not read any criticism of CC or Coach B...

You must have missed this post from rooster21:

"As for Campbell County caring about the other and making them better I think they should leave kids to wrestle for the schools they started at.  Campbell County is looking more and more like a Northern Kentucky All-Star Team.  That alone would have helped teams like SK, Newport, and Conner.  At that rate no school is safe.  Bishop Brossart better watch out."

I feel this was probably a bad choice of words by rooster21, as I know him fairly well and have talked about this exact subject with him personally and I don't believe he thinks truly that CC or Coach Bankemper did anything maliciously (i.e. recruited kids).  Cock21 (haha) point blank told me that.  I think it was a bit of tit for tat aimed at ccwrestler_oldschools comments that cc and the coach bankemper way helps NKY wrestling.  Sometimes you say stuff on here and regret it later, I know i have.  People who know Coach Bankemper will come out of the woodwork to defend him when people make comments like this.  If I made comments that Coach Ruschell ran a dirty program, I'd catch all kinds of hellfire on here from the Raider Nation.  You better believe that.  Well now Cock21 is catching the wrath of Barnie Nation.

I think ccwrestler_oldschool was trying to praise Coach Bankemper but in the same time this thread has been back and forth bickering about Ryle snubbing the NKAC.  I don't know, maybe they did, maybe they didn't.  I know at the end of the day all the high school coaches have only their kids to answer to.  If coach ruschell took his kids elsewhere for better competition I think that is great.  I absolutely salute him for doing it.  He has to think of the best interest of those kids.  As far as helping NKY wrestling, I agree Coach Bankemper will help anyone out.  But there is more than 1 way to help out NKY wrestling.  More than running camps and tournaments, Ryle has improved our area of wrestling by showing us all the way.  NKY had hardly nothing going on in youth/ms wrestling until Ryle stepped it up and showed us all the way.  Now we have some very competitive ms wrestling programs in this area that are on the rise.  I was truly impressed with Turkeyfoot, Woodland, Summit View, and Cooper recently when i seen them.  They're doing good things, getting their kids interested and working hard.  Ryle didn't reach out and start all these programs for us, but up until like 2000, Ryle was IT in this area.  Twenhofel & Conner started their programs using Ryle as a model.  We were all trying to be like them.  That alone has helped NKY wrestling tremendously.  The ryle coaches/parents in those days would do anything to help out ms & youth wrestling in this area.

All the praise of Ryle aside, can we all quit the accusations of recruiting at CC?  If you got a complaint, talk to the KHSAA or shut up about it.  Make sure your skeletons are out of your own closet before you do though.

Again... I think this thing is petty... but having said that... I do not believe any of the coaches are recruiting and if kids are jumping to other programs it is the parents and the school systems that should be ashamed of themselves if they are not doing it legitimately... meaning not moving into the school district.  If a school allows a student to come to their school the wrestling programs must accept them on the team... the coach has no option.  If the school doesn't do it's job of validating that the student lives in the district shame on them but it's not the coaches issue.  These guys have enough on their plate for the little to no pay they receive to spend time worrying about where the kids live.  These guys give so much and are repaid with petty criticism... I'd suggest we spend more time giving these guys, who provide rides to and from practice, meets, and tournaments; donate mats and supplies to other programs or pay for supplies out of their own pockets; take on the responsibility of the kids on away trips; provide shoes to those that need them (again out of their own pockets... actually saw one coach take their shoes off to give to a kid at practice that didn't have any); insure kids have food to eat (money out of their own pockets), and even provide tutoring when needed to keep grades up... let's give them a well deserved pat on the back.  It's no wonder we as a state have trouble finding and keeping quality coaches, assistants, and referees when we look for any/every excuse to find fault... they are just guys trying to do the right thing for the kids... your kids! 

I am sorry but you are kidding(I hope).  Would SK's coach even consider this?  Why don't we just skip the regional tourney and send the top 16 ranked kids to Frankfurt.  While were at it we can skip the state tourney(we could rank the kids at the beginning of the season and skip the whole thing). This is the kind of crap that keeps holding Ky wrestling back, no legitimacy.  As far as feeling snubbed, if for any reason Ryle goes to the state duals I am sure a lot more people will feel "snubbed".  What a joke!!

For those of you who are interested, Simon Kenton had a rematch with Ryle in the St Xavier (Ohio) duel team tournament yesterday.  Does anyone want to know how the match went?

Michigan has Dual Districts, Regions, and State as well as Individual Districts, Regions, and State.

Dual Districts (approx 4 teams) is on the Wednesday prior to Individual Districts-16 man brackets- (Saturday), the top school from each district moves on to Dual Region (again 4 teams) the Wednesday following.  Individual Regions brings the top 4 wrestlers from two districts together and sends the top 4 wrestlers to state.  Dual State is the Friday and Saturday following Individual Regions and hosts 16 teams (in each division) running single elimination style.  Individual state is the following Friday and Saturday and is wrestled using 16 man brackets.

Ryle won the dual 63-18

Is Ryle going to State duals?I think Simon Kenton is.

Is Ryle going to State duals?I think Simon Kenton is.

No, it will be campbell county and simon kinton.