Who's better: Starks or Scherer?

Both have excellant credentials, and both leave a path of devestation on the mat.

Opinions?

DUDE!!!!! SCHERER ALL THE WAY!!!!!! no question about it. no doubt no doubt.

RICARD STARKS hes the best wrestler in the state no one can beat him at any weight class

Eventhough Starks is 189 i think he could bump to 215 and win state. Just my opinion. HE is just as strong as any 215 out there and twice as quick.

I wouldn't say he's the best wrestler in the state but I say he would beat Scherer. Starks is the second best with Scherer third.

whos the first

um.........jacob murton?

I think that Richard Starks would beat Jacob Murton because of the weight difference

I think that Richard Starks would beat Jacob Murton because of the weight difference

No kiddin :roll:

There is no doubt who is better. Richard Starks is by far a more dominating wrestler then Scherer. Scherer is great and all but he actually can be beat. He has shown that in the finals of state and the finals of WCI with Big Bird. i say not nobody not no how will richard even have a chance of being beaten.

My opinion i think the 215 weight class is strong than the 189 weight class.. whats makes Starks unstoppable is that he has a fairly weak weight class..215 doesnt look that bad

Not even close, Starks is a stud. Not taking anything away from Scherer, but Starks is on a whole different level.

I would love to see that match, but do think Starks would beat Scherer on their feet. I'm thinking something like 9-3.

Starks doesn't get the credit he desearves. He will be a 3x state champ and a 4x finalist. Anyone else with those credentials, and this site would be putting them up with the best of all time. Maybe he'll get his in time.

What do u mean he doesnt get the credit he deserves.. he is a 2 timer soon to be 3 timer....thats not credit enough?

Starks is an excellant wrestler, and he will be an excellant collegiate wrestler, but Taylor Scherer is the best 215 this state has ever seen, and probably ever will see. He is a beast. Byrd, Stone, Wise, not a single one of them can beat him.

Starks is an excellant wrestler' date=' and he will be an excellant collegiate wrestler, but Taylor Scherer is the best 215 this state has ever seen, and probably ever will see. He is a beast. Byrd, Stone, Wise, not a single one of them can beat him.[/quote']

Best 215 ever??? Josh Whitaker would drop Taylor Scherer on his head.

I give this one to Taylor because The # 2 guy in the 189 weight class is dead tired after the 1st period and there is nobody else that is good in this weight class. Taylor, however, has Byrd in his weight class. Byrd is an absolute monster and Scherer has proven time and time again that he can beat him. Also Scherer has beaten that Coffee boy from ohio twice, and he is an absolute monster also. And you guys are crazy if you think Starks can go head to head strength wise with Scherer.

Coffee is from Tenn. :-P

im wondering what starks has done at national tournaments or against out of state competition? scherer went 4-2 at fargo freestyle nationals last year if im not mistaken and lost to the defending indiana state champ by either 1 or 2 this year...pretty impressive...any1 have any track record on starks against out-of-state competition?

You must be out of your mind if you think richard would beat taylor. Hes a beast. Thats like Travis Sullivan Beating Mike Clark in a donut eating contest. Its impossible. Never in a million years.

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I'd have to go with Scherer, because he pinned one of the only common oppents between them, A.J. Green. A.J. pinned Starks with the same move twice in the same tournament. Granted this was during Starks freshman year, IMHO Starks would not be able to handle the move up.

Nine times out of 10, I take Starks. His strength is one of his...well, strongest points. I think he could bump to 215 and do just as well. This is no disrespect to Scherer, either, who I've seen multiple times and is a hell of a wrestler.

I do agree, though, that you can't say Scherer is the best 215 we've ever seen. Whitaker was a beast.

You must be out of your mind if you think richard would beat taylor. Hes a beast. Thats like Travis Sullivan Beating Mike Clark in a donut eating contest. Its impossible. Never in a million years.

You realize that your analogy is nowhere close, right? You're comparing a 103-pounder defeating a heavyweight in a FOOD-EATING contest with a match between a 189-pounder and a 215-pounder. That's a 26-pound difference total (and as I'm sure you're aware, there isn't a weight class between the two).

You can argue that Scherer would win, and that's possible. But to say that it is impossible for Richard Starks, a two-time state champion who wrestles one class below Scherer, to win against him is just incorrect.

Wheres Scherer wrestling in college? Starks is going to West Point.

Even after hearing all the arguments against him I still have to go with Starks. For those of you that don't know, Starks is very hard to wrestle. He forces his style upon everyone he wrestles. Ask any of the 189 or 171 pounders that have wrestled him in his career (even Houze). I disagree with the people saying that Starks is stronger than Scherer, Starks isn't even the strongest at 189. One thing I can guarantee is that Starks is in better shape; and in that third period, when Scherer would be dead tired from fending off all those fakes and high percentage single leg shots, Starks would eat him alive. Richard has the ability to force everyone to wrestle his style and stay in excellent position; because of that he seems to get stronger as the match goes on.

Intresting points.

As much as I would like to see Clark and Sullivan eat donuts, I don't think that's a correct comparison. Also, I believe Whitaker could defeat Scherer.

Head to head? I would have to go with Starks. Scherer is a monster, yes, but look at the competition at 215, or even the general atheletic ability at 215. Alot of the 215's are overweight, chubby, poor shaped atheletes, while Scherer is in good shape, quick, and a hard worker. Of course he beats them.

Look at the general atheletic ability at 189. For the most part these guys are in better shape, are more athletic, and have more staying time on the mat. it's not just a question of strength anymore.

I think Starks is the better _wrestler_ of the two by a good margin. I also believe that Starks will be more successful at college, as Scherer is no where near as fundamentally sound as Starks.

189 is not as tough of a weight class as 215..

189 is not as tough of a weight class as 215..

no 189 has much more competition than 215 does with the exception of the top 3-4 at 215 there are 10 quality wrestlers at 189 and you cant say that about every weight class

no 189 has much more competition than 215 does with the exception of the top 3-4 at 215 there are 10 quality wrestlers at 189 and you cant say that about every weight class

So you're saying that Courtney Coffee kid wasn't more atheletic then almost all of the 189's? You're crazy, Taylor would beat Starks if they both wrestled, just my opinion, I doubt we would ever get to see the match anyway.

taylor is very athletic as well...we are talking about an all-state linebacker as well who wont be wrestling in college because he'll be playing football

So you're saying that Courtney Coffee kid wasn't more atheletic then almost all of the 189's? You're crazy' date=' Taylor would beat Starks if they both wrestled, just my opinion, I doubt we would ever get to see the match anyway.[/quote']

no i think taylor may be one of the most athletic wrestlers out there and i think he is definately more atheletic than starks, starks however a woodford wrestler is much more technical and in much better shape

I'm not sure if I agree that Whitaker could defeat Shearer.

I know we talked about this in another forum but IMO the only other 215s that could match up with Shearer would be Merritt, and Saner.

When i wrestled him at 171 he was one of the weaker 171 that yr i had wrestled, and Kevin Orth told me he was a weak 189. All American157 does have a point tho with Starks making you wrestle his match.. he has u worn out in the 1st with all the fakes and he has an unstoppable single leg. From what i here i had good stamnia but he wore me out

Jimmy - so you're telling me that Richard Starks' dominance has been in spite of his extreme weakness. And it must be extreme because you pointed out that he wasn't just "not as strong as you", but one of the weaker guys you wrestled. I really find that hard to believe. You would think that at some point that would have caught up with him.

I will tell you from knowing him personally and having coached him that he is not very strong. He wins his matches by making you wrestle his style and wearing you out. It doesn't matter how you prepare for him because he's going to stay in good position and "impose his will" on you. That's how he wins.

Ranger123- Yes he was weaker than me, but did i say extremely weaker.. no ur putting words in my mouth.Anyone u ask who has wrestled him including All American157 says that he's not strong for his weight but he more than makes up for it in technic.. and mat sense. Him being tall and long gives him plenty of leverage... anyone ever wrestled a really long kid..really tough isnt it, arms and legs every where. Now think of that but he has control over you the whole match.. I'd say he was the most difficult match endurance wise ive ever been through

to hell with all this conjecture....AllAmerican157....get Starks & Shearer together sometime after state. Let's make it a $2 admission down at WC (we'll even give Starks home mat advantage). I've seen them both wrestle, I would say Starks looks VERY technical... & like everyone says, he appears to be in great shape. But I still couldn't tell you who'd win. I know from what I've seen of Shearer, he is a very patient wrestler...he will be just as content with a 1-0 victory as he would be with a 15-0, tech & pin. (that's just my amateur analysis of him)

Come to think of it, that patience almost passiveness in Shearer combined with Starks' quickness may make this one a bad matchup for Shearer. I would guess Starks would win.