when will the pools be decided and put out i'm very curious

What is the format for the state duals anyway? Are they in 4 pools, they round robin then match up AB and CD then wrestle again for championship? This sounds like they way it would be conducted but just checking.

If I remember correctly... yes... that is the format... but they usually don't set the pools until the morning of the duals.

Do they start Friday evening or Saturday morning?

State duals will be Saturday only. They usually seed the top four teams. After that they place the four other Regional winners into a pool. Then the coaches make sure that the #2 seeds from each region are placed on to the opposite side of the bracket from their region's winner.

Are these the sixteen teams that will be there?

Region 1: Union Co., Ohio Co.

Region 2: Larue Co., Nelson Co.

Region 3: Meade Co., Southern

Region 4: Trinity, St. Xavier

Region 5: Oldham Co., South Oldham (I really don't know this one, guessing)

Region 6: Campbell Co., Simon Kenton

Region 7: Woodford Co., Tates Creek

Region 8: Johnson Central, Sheldon Clark

Here is a potential way the pools will play out. They could go many ways, this is just one scenario.

Pool A:(#1)Trinity, (#8) Meade Co., Sheldon Clark, Simon Kenton

Pool B:(#4) Woodford Co.,(#5) Union Co., So.Oldham, Nelson Co.

Pool C:(#3) Larue Co., (#6) Oldham Co., Tates Creek, Southern

Pool D: (#2) Campbell Co., (#7) Johnson Central, St. Xavier, Ohio Co.

Does anyone have the results of head to head duals with each team?

I believe Larue beat Trinity in a dual, therefore, how can Trinity be a number one seed? Opinion rankings are one thing, but factual results should prevail.

Did Union beat Larue in a dual?

Did Union wrestle Trinity in a dual?

Unfortunately, Campbell County hasn't wrestled any of the top 5 teams.

I know Union Co. has lost to Tates Creek. I believe they have also lost to a couple of other teams as well. In reality Woodford Co. or Campbell Co. might have the claim to #1, I was not aware that Union beat Trinity.

Are these the sixteen teams that will be there?

Region 1: Union Co., Ohio Co.

Region 2: Larue Co., Nelson Co.

Region 3: Meade Co., Southern

Region 4: Trinity, St. Xavier

Region 5: Oldham Co., South Oldham (I really don't know this one, guessing)

Region 6: Campbell Co., Simon Kenton

Region 7: Woodford Co., Tates Creek

Region 8: Johnson Central, Sheldon Clark

Here is a potential way the pools will play out. They could go many ways, this is just one scenario.

Pool A:(#1)Trinity, (#8) Meade Co., Sheldon Clark, Simon Kenton

Pool B:(#4) Woodford Co.,(#5) Union Co., So.Oldham, Nelson Co.

Pool C:(#3) Larue Co., (#6) Oldham Co., Tates Creek, Southern

Pool D: (#2) Campbell Co., (#7) Johnson Central, St. Xavier, Ohio Co.

If you look at the other state dual feed, it was South Oldham as the 1 and Oldham as the 2.

Are these the sixteen teams that will be there?

Region 1: Union Co., Ohio Co.

Region 2: Larue Co., Nelson Co.

Region 3: Meade Co., Southern

Region 4: Trinity, St. Xavier

Region 5: Oldham Co., South Oldham (I really don't know this one, guessing)

Region 6: Campbell Co., Simon Kenton

Region 7: Woodford Co., Tates Creek

Region 8: Johnson Central, Sheldon Clark

Here is a potential way the pools will play out. They could go many ways, this is just one scenario.

Pool A:(#1)Trinity, (#8) Meade Co., Sheldon Clark, Simon Kenton

Pool B:(#4) Woodford Co.,(#5) Union Co., So.Oldham, Nelson Co.

Pool C:(#3) Larue Co., (#6) Oldham Co., Tates Creek, Southern

Pool D: (#2) Campbell Co., (#7) Johnson Central, St. Xavier, Ohio Co.

South Oldham isn't going, we had three guys get injured last weekend at the dragon and they cant wrestle this weekend and we are forfeiting our #1 seed to Oldham and North Oldham will take the #2 seed i believe.

Does anyone have the results of head to head duals with each team?

I believe Larue beat Trinity in a dual, therefore, how can Trinity be a number one seed? Opinion rankings are one thing, but factual results should prevail.

Did Union beat Larue in a dual?

Did Union wrestle Trinity in a dual?

Unfortunately, Campbell County hasn't wrestled any of the top 5 teams.

I can't find a result where Larue beat Trinity.  I know they beat Union.

I don't think Larue and Trinity have wrestled.

Only the top 4 teams are seeded. I think that the other 4 region winners draw into a pool. Then the runner-ups draw into a pool.

Top for from information presented so far:

Pool A:(#1) Trinity

Pool B:(#4) Woodford Co.

Pool C:(#2) Campbell Co./Larue Co.

Pool D:(#3) Campbell Co./Larue Co.

Doesn't matter between #2 & #3 seeds really, just #4.

I see them being seeded as such:

1)Trinity

2) Larue

3) Woodford

4) Union

And if SoOldham drops out does that mean NorthOld gets their spot or the host team (Henry Clay) gets to wrestle?

I would say trinity #1  campbell #2  woodford #3  larue #4

Here's a copy from the official form:

2009 KENTUCKY DUAL STATE WRESTLING CHAMPIONSHIP

20TH Annual Kentucky Dual State Wrestling Championship

Henry Clay High School, Lexington, KY

Saturday, January 31, 2009

16 Teams

Weigh-ins start at 8:00 AM

Seeding meeting immediately after weigh-ins

1st round action begins at 9:30 AM

Scheduling of Matches

So Simon dropped out and Ryle is in.  They will make one of the top 4 very unhappy.

Ahhh. This changes quite a bit.  Unseed campbell co., imo.

Ahhh. This changes quite a bit.  Unseed campbell co., imo.

Not sure about that.  I have heard that only the teams that come in as #1 from their region are considered for seeding.  Ryle will come in as #2 from Region 6.  That's why I say one of the seeded teams will be quite unlucky to have Ryle in their pool.  If you knock Campbell out of the seedings, then I predict possibly 2 of the top seeds will not win their pool.  IMO.

Oh, I was not aware of that rule. 

But I know some coaches won't care. You have to beat the best to be the best, so why not do it earlier in the day?

So Simon dropped out and Ryle is in.  They will make one of the top 4 very unhappy.

Why would sk drop out of state duals though?

Oh, I was not aware of that rule. 

But I know some coaches won't care. You have to beat the best to be the best, so why not do it earlier in the day?

Having the tougher road can really affect the lineup by the finals.  Imagine Trinity has to battle through Ryle, Johnson Central, and Oldham in the pool, then have Larue in the semis and Campbell in the final.  I use this example because Ohlmann would have a tough 4 matches before Brown in the final.  Brown could have wrestled 4 fish up to that point and barely broken a sweat.  So overall it is obviously better to have an easier road into the finals to increase your chances of being fresh for the big dual.

Thats how its been in the past only the #1 get seeded

Ahhh. This changes quite a bit.  Unseed campbell co., imo.

IMO, Kygrappler should not be allowed admission to the state duals.

ranger 123 are you just starting rumors????

Ryle is clearly a top 5, even top 3 team in the state. The tournament will be much more exciting with Ryle present.  Can someone shed some light on much Ruschell paid Wilburs(SK coach) to get the spot!

Too funny... obviously you don't know Ruschell... if you think he'd part with his money...

Last I heard Simon will be there...

A dollar and a soda every week for half of one week.  Not to mention a chocolate milk each day in his contract.  Id say good deal. :-D

Too funny... obviously you don't know Ruschell... if you think he'd part with his money...

Last I heard Simon will be there...

:-D :-D :-D

He offered me a steak dinner one time, so I feel pretty special.  Not tube steak either.

I'm thinking he threatened physical violence on Wilbers to get SK to not go to state duals.  Does anyone know Coach Wilbers where abouts at the current moment?

Can someone please give me an update on Matt Neal. I like that kid and really want to see him do well. Watching him wrestle is kinda like watching the Jerry Springer show, lol. OK Matt, that was kind of a joke and partly serious. I want to see Matt finish the season actually wrestling this time, no boxing.  He could make things very exciting at 189 if he is in good shape and has a good attitude. 

I think Ranger may be stirring the pot as far as Ryle.  The Raiders would certainly enjoy the competition but I checked with Coach and I don't think that the information is true about SK; unless Ranger knows something Coach doesn't.  Is it April already Ranger?

I think Ranger may be stirring the pot as far as Ryle.  The Raiders would certainly enjoy the competition but I checked with Coach and I don't think that the information is true about SK; unless Ranger knows something Coach doesn't.  Is it April already Ranger?

I didn't start the rumor.  Someone posted the state duals information and it listed Ryle.  I was only responding to that post.

Come to think of it I saw that as well.  Maybe it was just a misprint.  You don't strike me as Tom Foolery!

Ranger - i noticed in your rankings you don't have Ryle or Seneca listed in the team duals rankings.  Any reason why..or just a slip?

As far as the state duals seedings go...i can see Trinity is the obvious 1 seed.  Beyond that, how does the arguments usually go in the seeding meeting?  IHonestly I don't see Woodford as an "obvious" 2 seed.  But then again, they are undefeated.  Is that all they go by is record? 

What was more recent, Larue's win over Union or Seneca's win over Larue?

Ranger - i noticed in your rankings you don't have Ryle or Seneca listed in the team duals rankings.  Any reason why..or just a slip?

As far as the state duals seedings go...i can see Trinity is the obvious 1 seed.  Beyond that, how does the arguments usually go in the seeding meeting?  IHonestly I don't see Woodford as an "obvious" 2 seed.  But then again, they are undefeated.  Is that all they go by is record? 

What was more recent, Larue's win over Union or Seneca's win over Larue?

It is probably because neither Ryle nor Seneca qualified for state duals.

That is correct.  I set up the rankings to only predict the state duals team finishes.  Once those teams were eliminated from contention I dropped them as they will not finish in the top 16 at the state dual tournament.

gotcha, thanks.

Coach Fiser sent out an e-mail late last night that says SK and CC will represent Region 6.

He said it was a clerical error on his part.

simon kenton is still going we got our hotel and everything

First flyer sent out was a mistake....The correct one went out today via email../

Saturday, January 31, 2009

16 Teams

Weigh-ins start at 8:00 AM

Seeding meeting immediately after weigh-ins

1st round action begins at 9:30 AM

$100 entry fee, made payable to Kentucky Wrestling Coaches Association

Scheduling of Matches

I'm thinkin this is going to get cancelled.  The road conditions are horrid and every hour more KYians are without power. We'll see how it plays out.

where are state duals held at?

where are state duals held at?

Lexington-Henry Clay.  Saturday is a long way off.  With the amount of preparation that goes into planning this event I hope they are able to pull it off with as many of the 16 teams as possible. 

Lexington-Henry Clay.  Saturday is a long way off.  With the amount of preparation that goes into planning this event I hope they are able to pull it off with as many of the 16 teams as possible. 

idk its pretty bad here in lexington but who knows saturday is 2 days away lets hope 4 the best

I'm aware of how long away Saturday is. I also know over 500K are w/o power and the low tonight is in the teens and tomorr. is supposed to be just as cold, which won't allow for the thaw to take full effect.

Safety is #1 concern, not how much prep went into the event.

I still hope I'm in the Henry Clay gym on Sat watchin KY's best dual for a champion.

does anyone kno if the Henry Clay high school has power?

and if they dont, will it be canceled, or moved to a different school?

The interesting question is weight.  The new rule states one allowance pound for incliment weather.  Most teams have not practiced since Monday.  Many wrestlers will probably be 2 or 3 :wink: pounds from where they should.  What happens in that case?

If it can't happen this weekend ........what about the next???????????

the regions start the weekend after.....

coaches what do you think? 

Has any of the invited teams canceled? 

I would think it would be hard to reschedule that many of the top teams, especially to the week before regionals.

Does anyone know if Union County will be attending State Duals?

If so, could you let them know that they need to contact either Coach Feiser or Coach Canter as soon as possible.

Thanks.

If Coach Canter or Fiser want to contact me, I'll give them the cell # coach Ervin reached me from.  Mark Hitchings - 502-445-6862.  He says he can't reach Coach Fiser.