I need contact info for our kiddos for elementary regionals and state. We are from North Hardin. I am new to this so please be patient. I know the dates, I am just not sure on who to contact and times. Any information would be highly appreciated.

Regional Alignments

  Kentucky will be divided into (6) regions for purposes of the Regional Tournaments.  The Regions are as follows:

  Region 1 West

      Ballard, Hickman, Carlisle, Fulton, McCracken, Graves, Marshall, Calloway, Hancock, Davies, Henderson, Union, Crittenden, Livingston, Lyon, Trigg, Christian, Todd,      Logan, Simpson, Butler, Ohio, Muhlenberg, Hopkins, Caldwell, Webster, Mclean, Warren

  Region 2 Louisville

      Trimble, Henry, Shelby, Spencer, Nelson, Larue, Hart, Edmondson, Grayson, Hardin, Bullit, Oldham, Meade, Breckinridge, Jefferson

  Region 3 Northern

      Boone, Kenton, Campbell, Gallatin, Carroll, Owen, Grant, Pendelton, Harrison, Robertson, Mason, Bracken

  Region 4 Central

      Scott, Franklin, Bourbon, Nicholas, Bath, Montgomery, Clark, Fayette, Woodford, Anderson, Washington, Mercer, Jessamine, Madison, Marion, Boyle, Garrard, Estill,      Powell

  Region 5 East

      Lewis, Fleming, Greenup, Boyd, Carter, Rowan, Elliot, Lawrence, Martin, Johnson, Morgan, Menifee, Wolfe, Magoffin, Floyd, Pike, Knott, Letcher, Harlin, Leslie, Perry,      Breathitt,  Lee

  Region 6 South

      Lincoln, Casey, Taylor, Green, Barren, Allen, Monroe, Metcalfe, Cumberland, Clinton, Russell, Adair, Pulaski, McCreary, Whitley, Bell, Knox, Clay, Laurel, Owsley,      Jackson, Rockcastle

Excuse my geographic ignorance but I believe you need to contact Efrin Quirino at River City Wrestling for Regional information if you are in the Louisville region.

I thought region 2 consisted of only Jefferson & Oldham Counties?

No, see post above it outlines what counties are in each region.

5th Annual Youth State Tournament

March 7th, 2009

Fern Creek High School

9115 Fern Creek Rd

Louisville, KY 40291

Doors open at 6:30am

Wrestling begins at 8am for ages 5-8

1st session check-ins will be 7-9pm March 6th and 6:30-7:30am March 7th

Wrestling begins at 1pm for ages 9-12

2nd session check-ins will be 7-9pm March 6th and 11am-12pm March 7th

$10 registration fee per wrestler

Coaches must verify skin condition, hair, and nails are compliant on their wrestler

Each team is responsible for providing 4 TRAINED tableworkers for 1 session.

Mandatory Coaches meeting 7:00 p.m. Friday 3/6/09

Admissions:

Adults: $5

Children 5-18: $3

NO COOLERS

Eligibility Rules

1.  Responsibility for Eligibility

Each team is responsible for verification of eligibility.  All wrestlers must have a

REGION ONE

Kentucky State Youth Wrestling Association

WRESTLING TOURNAMENT

FEBRUARY 28, 2009

LOCATION: Trigg County Middle School, Cadiz, KY

YOU MUST WRESTLE IN THE REGIONAL TOURNAMENT TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE STATE TOURNAMENT!!! 

ELIGIBILITY:  Pre-registrations only! All registrations must be received no later than Saturday, February 21st.  Wrestlers must make their registered weight.  There will be no refunds and no bumping up for wrestlers that do not make weight.  All Wrestlers MUST be twelve years old and under as of January 1st 2009, currently attend school in Kentucky, and maintain physical residence in the state of Kentucky.  Coaches/parents must bring a copy of most recent report card in case of eligibility challenges.  Tournament director reserves the right to decline registration for any wrestler.

ENTRY FEE:  $10 per wrestler.  (In addition, the state association will require a $100 membership fee to compete in the state tournament)

TIMES:  Weigh-ins 8 AM

once again WAYNE COUNTY is left out of the REGION 6 (SOUTH) bracket. Its kind of important to include them, being they R hosting the region 6 tournament!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

once again WAYNE COUNTY is left out of the REGION 6 (SOUTH) bracket. Its kind of important to include them, being they R hosting the region 6 tournament!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suggestion-instead of writing in caps (yelling) and using excessive punctuation, maybe you could PM new guy and he could update the regions.  I am sure it was just an oversight.

I noticed on the flyer for the youth state tourney that we are responsible for providing 4 tables workers?  Is this something mandatory from the association?  I don't think I have enough parents w/ the knowledge to work tables.  I've only started grasping the concept this year.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Elementary State Tournament

Jameson Inn in Louisville has offered a discount for the Elementary State Tournament on their rooms.  They are offering rates of $69 if you tell them you are with the Elementary State Wrestling Tournament.  Below is the information for the hotel.

Jameson Inn South

6515 Signature Dr

Louisville, KY 40213-3558 US

Phone: 502-968-4100

Supplying table workers is something that was decided at the youth state wrestling meeting.  If you come from a smaller team and only have a few that can help, we will work with you. 

In 30' you can train just about anybody to be a tableworker.  Get some bout sheets, from your High school coach or off the web, have a couple kids wrestle a match with a ref while scoring the match and you'll be fine.  Parents are always a bit apprehensive at first but actually enjoy it and learn much more about the sport. 

We only need one person to keep score, another to flip the score pad, one timer, and one more to keep the kids lined up on deck.  Three people can do it just as well if the scorekeeper also operates the score board.

We appreciate all the teams help and feel it is vital to keep Youth wrestling growing.  In just 3 yrs we've added well over 40 new teams.

Why not bring some of your high school wrestlers or stat girls. 

Is there going to be team trophies?

If so how do point scorers work in youth?

Yes, there will be team trophies.  If there are multiple kids, from the same team at one class, only the highest scorer receives team points.  This means only one point scorer per weight/age class.

No advancement points.

1st    16

2nd    12 

3rd      8

4th      4

Thanks Stan,

one more for ya...if you know...

my son who is 6..

has no set weight class

How does that work?

Thanks Stan,

one more for ya...if you know...

my son who is 6..

has no set weight class

How does that work?

If he weighs 50 pounds, then they will make a bracket with kids within 10% of each other.  So the bracket could end up being 6 kids that weigh between 48 and 52 pounds. 

Thanks Ranger

How does that work with team score then?

Thanks Ranger

How does that work with team score then?

The same way.  Each different age/weight group is considered a different point scorer.

Can Ranger or someone answer this question?  For example, 70lb weight class, the older kids 11-12,  are you going to have a bracket for 11 year olds and one for the 12 year olds or are they going to be mixed?

Can Ranger or someone answer this question?  For example, 70lb weight class, the older kids 11-12,  are you going to have a bracket for 11 year olds and one for the 12 year olds or are they going to be mixed?

That is a good question.  I don't recall how it was done last year, but there will likely be 2 or 3 brackets of kids in that age/weight group.  So when the group is split into separate brackets I assume age is one of the criteria used.  I believe they also try to split up kids from the same team.

11 & 12 year olds will not be separated.  It is one division. 

In the case of multiple brackets within the same weight an effort will be made to base brackets on age then weight.

I heard that there will be more than one state champ for each weight class! How does everyone feel about that?

I heard that there will be more than one state champ for each weight class! How does everyone feel about that?

Do we have to get that started again?  The bottom line is we are cutting the brackets at 8.  If there are 45 11-12 year old 65 pounders then yes there will be 6 state champs.  Oh well.  This is about participation and building the sport throughout the state not making sure we are crowning the true champion of the world.

LOL! Sorry I brought up such a touchy subject! I'm not on here every single day, so forgive me if I haven't already saw all the other conversations about this subject! Nice sarcasm though about the "Making a World Champion" comment! I'll try not to let my curiosity get the best of me next time! 

Do we have to get that started again?  The bottom line is we are cutting the brackets at 8.  If there are 45 11-12 year old 65 pounders then yes there will be 6 state champs.  Oh well.  This is about participation and building the sport throughout the state not making sure we are crowning the true champion of the world.

Why bother having a champion at the middle school level or high school level for that matter if it's just about participation & building the sport throughout the state?

Why bother having a champion at the middle school level or high school level for that matter if it's just about participation & building the sport throughout the state?

First, I didn't state or even imply that all levels are just about participation.  But at this point, youth wrestling in KY is about participation.

Second, it is not a touchy subject for me.  I just hate to hear the same complaints we hear year after year. 

First, I didn't state or even imply that all levels are just about participation.  But at this point, youth wrestling in KY is about participation.

Second, it is not a touchy subject for me.  I just hate to hear the same complaints we hear year after year. 

Well, it's my opinion that elementary should be about more than just participation & helping the sport grow throughout the state! I'm unaware of the same complaints on here year after year being that I'm brand new to this forum! My son came to me on his own expressing his dislike with fact that there's more than one champion per weight class! I was just curious what others opinions were about it! 

Louisville- Read the posts from last years elementary state and you'll find out where everyone stands on the subjsct of multiple state champions. 

Thanks Ranger for expressing what most of us feel.

I could write pages on the difficulty of having one state ELEMENTARY champ per weight.  If anybody wants to really listen to all the issues then show up for our meetings.  2 hours x twice per year.  This is an extremely difficult dilemma on how to institute this formula. 

There are no weight classes in the 5/6 & 7/8 age groups.  So in these brackets, every bracket winner is the true state champion.  It is my opinion the same formula can be used in the 9/10 & 11/12 age groups.  This would satisfy the "TRUE STATE CHAMP" crowd as well as acheiving the original mission of the KSYWA which is centered around participation and doing our best to help grow Youth wrestling in Ky.

All comments are welcome but if you truely want to contribute talk to your Regional Rep about the issues first.  That will clear up alot of misconceptions.

"There are no weight classes in the 5/6 & 7/8 age groups.  So in these brackets, every bracket winner is the true state champion.  It is my opinion the same formula can be used in the 9/10 & 11/12 age groups."

I'm not sure I understand this line of thought.  So your saying throw out the weight classes and you have a true champion in each age group?  I must be misunderstanding...That's rediculous!

You are.  There are no PREDETERMINED weight classes.  We start with the lowest actual weight to the next 8 kids, assuming they are within 10%, and that's a weight class.  I'm saying throw out the predetermined, by some individual, weight classes.  Keep the age groups the same.  We do this every single weekend in Cinncinnati and it works great.  I've never heard anybody refer to the CYW league as a riduculous format.

Thanks Stan..I knew I was missing something.

Answer this...What's wrong with doing it the same way it's done in middle school.  You should have to qualify for state in regionals by placing.  It gives the kids something to work for the following year if they don't make it. This "everyone wins" mantality isn't helping the kids.  They get plenty of mat time thoughout the year.  One event isn't going to keep the sport from growing.  It's a tough sport.  Let's reward these kids that work their tails off all year.  Kids need to learn early in my opinion that their going to have to compete for success in life through hard work and dedication and sometimes even that isn't enough.  

I've been listening to thoughts on this topic for a long time.  I just had to speak my mind.

The way the weight classes are currently setup I don't see how it could be done with any real meaning.  The majority of weights would be walk-throughs.  Only the 60-80 lb. kids would truely have to qualify.  The rest would simply have to wrestle in a Regional.  There are 6 regions. 

It has been the majority thinking that if a team wants to have a "Champions Tournament" after our Youth State more power to them.

I don't want everybody to win either.  But, at 5 years old and 35 lbs. how do you put those kids in a 50lb weight class.  That's the equivalent of a 152lb kid wrestling in the 189lb bracket in High School.  Nobody would even begin to believe that's a good system.  When you have kids spread out from 1st thru 6th grade special allowances have to be made.  It's never going to be perfect.

Thanks again for the insight.  What's wrong with a 5 and 6 year old 35 lbs bracket?

For the record, I'm not for an "everyone wins" system.  But the facts are pretty simple.  The state is not ready for a regional qualifier.  This is elementary school wrestling.  The parents who are getting all heated about this are probably those who we end up hearing about getting thrown out of middle school events.  We also need to run the tournament as efficiently as possible.  And if the majority with the current set up then that's how it is going to be and we all have to live with it.  If you don't agree, then as Stan has said, talk to your coach or regional rep or come to the meetings and let your voice be heard.  Waiting until after the fact (or before) and complaining online doesn't count.

Thanks again for the insight.  What's wrong with a 5 and 6 year old 35 lbs bracket?

I think the problem with setting up all of those possible brackets is that some years there haven't been any kids that show up that age/weight.  Or someone does show up that is outside the assumed limits.  And there are still going to be age/weight classes with 40 kids that show up at state.

First off, who's heated and bent out of shape?  I'm certainly not.  There was nothing disrespectful about my questions and comments.  And no...I've never been kicked out of a tournament.

Thanks for the insight Stan.  I'll discuss it with you more off the forum next week at practice.

I agree that at this level the more kids that get to wrestle the better. I also believe that the non predetermined weight classes help promote our goals better to keep more wrestling than a 32 man 70lb bracket to crown a "true champion". For example we had a kid last year struggling for a win each week in the cincinnati league and was about to quit even though I kept telling him he's getting better, went to Ky state won and now loves wrestling and believes in himself. That is the reason we (at least I) do this. Imo more kids will keep at it this way. I don't believe any kids will quit if there are not set bracket and top 4 qualifiers.

We had a kid the same way last year.  State is what kept him interested.  He didn't care that there were two state champs at the same weight class.  All he knew was that he won his bracket and that was all that mattered.  We have to keep the kids interested to make KY wrestling better.  If we run kids off after a couple of years what have we accomplished?  Nothing. I'm not one of these people who think everyone should be a winner.  Kids have to learn to lose and on the other hand they need to win to see what they can do also. There has to be a balance.  Right now I think we have what is in the best interest for the kids and Ky wrestling in our minds. 

I tell my son and the kids I coach at this age it is about learning and having fun, not winning and losing.Even though some people don't believe this, winning is not everything. As a coach you should always coach to win(try to put the kids in position to win) but not make it a failure if they don't.  They have plenty of time in high school to put that pressure on themselves. Our job is to get them there and still liking the sport. Like Irish said they also need to learn how to lose, as in attitude, remembering what they did wrong etc.

Irish and heavy83 are perfect examples of coaches looking at the big picture.  I'm much more interested that my youth kids are improving, giving 100% effort, and learning how to be decent people than their win/loss record.  I don't even keep track of their win/loss records. 

There are plenty of moves a Youth coach can teach that will win lots of matches at the Youth level that won't work at higher levels.  We focus on the techniques we believe will work at all levels.  If the win/loss record was all we worried about we would coach completely different.

Like heavy83 stated there's plenty of time to put tons of pressure on the kids.

First off, who's heated and bent out of shape?  I'm certainly not.  There was nothing disrespectful about my questions and comments.  And no...I've never been kicked out of a tournament.

Thanks for the insight Stan.  I'll discuss it with you more off the forum next week at practice.

I guess my comment wasn't clear.  My intent was that 99% of the time those who argue this point are those extreme cases.  Didn't mean to imply that of you.  You just struck a nerve I guess.

When do the 12 yr olds need to be at ccms today thanks

my son is ten and personally i dont care about wins and losses.  Granted he has only lost one match this year and won a few tourny's but his wins hvae actually made him work harder.  Winning will come and go but the habit of preparing to be his best will continue throughout his life. As i said he is 10 and no one with an ounce of self dignity seriously worries about what they did in sports in the 3rd and 4th grade.  I veiw this time in his life as character building and learning the nuances of success.  I dont worry about what someone else in his wieght class does and niether of us care that they were like 200 regional wrestling champs we still celebrated his success for 24 hours.  (now its time to prepare to be his best again)  Our  concern is improving learning and growing.  When ever i hear him start talking about how much he wants to win i just remind him of our mantras "perfect practice makes perfect", the will to prepare is greater than the will to win" and so forth.