In my opinion it is Coach Carr Sr.

This man is know nationally for his tremendous amount of knowledge about wrestling. Plus this man has put out 9 state championship teams.

Whats ur opinion? 

Are you asking for just high school coaches or both middle and high school coaches?

theres already a recent thread about this.

http://www.kentuckywrestling.com/smf/index.php?topic=5490.0

i think Jason sadorise from prp and Joe Allen frech is really good coaches

yes i agree, those are the 2 best coaches, coach frech, this is his 1st year coachin and he has did a great job

In my opinion it is Coach Carr Sr.

This man is know nationally for his tremendous amount of knowledge about wrestling. Plus this man has put out 9 state championship teams.

Whats ur opinion?   

My opinion is he was better with Rusty Parks as head coach. I think the facts speak for themselves.

dude u crazy prp gots the best coaches in the wold :mrgreen:

My opinion is he was better with Rusty Parks as head coach. I think the facts speak for themselves.

as though that may seem coach Carr was more of the "wrestling" coach, he knows every move , every counter, every position, no joke. Coach Parks was more of the paper work coach. he recruited kids from within the school ( got out on the field during football practice and picked kids out) did all the scheduling, and stuff like that. So when Coach parks left WC lost that, and now WC is a little unorganized but never the less you better believe they still have the best "wrestling" coach maybe in the nation.

as though that may seem coach Carr was more of the "wrestling" coach, he knows every move , every counter, every position, no joke. Coach Parks was more of the paper work coach. he recruited kids from within the school ( got out on the field during football practice and picked kids out) did all the scheduling, and stuff like that. So when Coach parks left WC lost that, and now WC is a little unorganized but never the less you better believe they still have the best "wrestling" coach maybe in the nation.

I think Jeff Jordan and Buxton from Blair may have something to say about that

I think Jeff Jordan and Buxton from Blair may have something to say about that

this is a story coach parks told me one time at a family reunion(im his cousin). coach parks was looking for a partner to coach this high school team, Woodford(hail haha j/k) he got this guy that had wrestled for UK , won an sec title, and had other very impressive stats. he instantly liked this guy Joe Carr, stayed at his house a few times. one time the two went to a coaches convention somewhere in the north i forget, any way Dan Gable was giving a little speech and he ended it with," But i don't know why im up here speaking, because the best technition in the nation is sitting right there in the crowd, Mr. Joe Carr. Coach Parks said he about fainted, and to me thats where the real tradition started. i don't think Jeff Jordan would say very much of anything to coach Carr, other than showing respect. and it seems like every time coach Carr goes to the NCAA finals, every coach from every college makes sure they say something to coach Carr.

I will agree Coach Carr is an outstanding coach.  I wish our coach had as much knowledge as that man. lol cause if we are being honest I think we all know that meade countys coach isnt the most techincal but he will get you strong quick. plus he trys really hard for us. but thats my opinion.

this is a story coach parks told me one time at a family reunion(im his cousin). coach parks was looking for a partner to coach this high school team, Woodford(hail haha j/k) he got this guy that had wrestled for UK , won an sec title, and had other very impressive stats. he instantly liked this guy Joe Carr, stayed at his house a few times. one time the two went to a coaches convention somewhere in the north i forget, any way Dan Gable was giving a little speech and he ended it with," But i don't know why im up here speaking, because the best technition in the nation is sitting right there in the crowd, Mr. Joe Carr. Coach Parks said he about fainted, and to me thats where the real tradition started. i don't think Jeff Jordan would say very much of anything to coach Carr, other than showing respect. and it seems like every time coach Carr goes to the NCAA finals, every coach from every college makes sure they say something to coach Carr.

Point Taken. My coach actually told me that story as well. I was really just messin with ya anyways  :-D

as though that may seem coach Carr was more of the "wrestling" coach, he knows every move , every counter, every position, no joke. Coach Parks was more of the paper work coach. he recruited kids from within the school ( got out on the field during football practice and picked kids out) did all the scheduling, and stuff like that. So when Coach parks left WC lost that, and now WC is a little unorganized but never the less you better believe they still have the best "wrestling" coach maybe in the nation.

That is what people fail to understand. Coaching is so much more than showing/teaching moves. Also, maybe the refs are less tolerant of Carr's corner antics without Park's level headed approach to the table. The facts are clear. Maybe the Carr combo can get them back but, I still think there shouldn't be a set of rules for the Carr's in the corner chair and a set for everyone else. This is not a rap on Joe Sr. I think people are failing to recognize Rusty's contributions.

yeah it completely bothers me how when i wrestle any woodford wrestler, i feel like im wrestling the wrestler, and coach carr at the same time. hes practically breathing on my, while he shows his kids what to do from the sidelines.

yeah it completely bothers me how when i wrestle any woodford wrestler, i feel like im wrestling the wrestler, and coach carr at the same time. hes practically breathing on my, while he shows his kids what to do from the sidelines.

But from a fan perspective, when you don't care about either wrestler, it is fun to watch him dance around like he's in the match.  And is it those two who look like synchronized swimmers, moving in exact step with each other?

yeah it completely bothers me how when i wrestle any woodford wrestler, i feel like im wrestling the wrestler, and coach carr at the same time. hes practically breathing on my, while he shows his kids what to do from the sidelines.

Sounds like you're real focused out there.  I never noticed another coach in my 5 yrs of HS and college wrestling.  Worry about your opponent, not his coach or teammates or your girlfriend or the weirdo who's walking around the Dudgeon center in long johns.

yeah it completely bothers me how when i wrestle any woodford wrestler, i feel like im wrestling the wrestler, and coach carr at the same time. hes practically breathing on my, while he shows his kids what to do from the sidelines.

Man you sure do whine alot. What could the state of Kentucky do to make life better for you?

Sounds like you're real focused out there.  I never noticed another coach in my 5 yrs of HS and college wrestling.  Worry about your opponent, not his coach or teammates or your girlfriend or the weirdo who's walking around the Dudgeon center in long johns.

Ha ha weirdo in long johns.  What makes this funny is that there really was a guy in long johns last year, and he is a weirdo.

Sounds like you're real focused out there.  I never noticed another coach in my 5 yrs of HS and college wrestling.  Worry about your opponent, not his coach or teammates or your girlfriend or the weirdo who's walking around the Dudgeon center in long johns.

i listen and watch my opponents coaches a lot, that way i know what their coach is telling them to do, because 9 times out of 10, the wrestler listens. in a way coach carr is helping me, but him having different corner guidelines than any other coach, should not be aloud. by the way, the state of kentucky could ban people with iqs lower than that of a standard field mouse, from posting comments on an internet site. this would make my life better sneaky snake. leave the posting to the intelligent ones, who understand the rules of wrestling, please.

The Carrs are pretty loud when they coach, of course with all those Wo. Co. screamin' mothers they kinda have to be.  When I get on the mat I get tunnel vision and I can't hear a thing, partially because I'm deaf and have my headgear taped up. It's not even that I think about what to do anymore it's like i just react like a robot. Kind of crazy now that I think about it. Yeah I'll look at my coaches after the period to listen for some good tips but during the match I block everyone out and just wrestle.

yeah it completely bothers me how when i wrestle any woodford wrestler, i feel like im wrestling the wrestler, and coach carr at the same time. hes practically breathing on my, while he shows his kids what to do from the sidelines.

coach carr and joe joe are without a doubt the best coaches in the state and it seems when they are coaching it bothers you and thats a good thing if your wrestling one of our wrestlers

coach carr and joe joe are without a doubt the best coaches in the state and it seems when they are coaching it bothers you and thats a good thing if your wrestling one of our wrestlers

Are you implying that they try to bother the other wrestlers when they coach?

Are you implying that they try to bother the other wrestlers when they coach?

Yes, I'd like to know what you mean by that because the coaches shouldn't be allowed to interfere in the match. IMHO, several coaches are too involved in their wrestlers' matches, and the Carrs are some of them. As a spectator, I've had instances where they were in my way of trying to see the match and just plain annoying.

Besides, I'd like to hear from some wrestlers who get yelled directions while they're wrestling. Do you like that? Can you even focus on what they're saying?

You hear that coach carr?? Get out of MatMamma's way... she's trying to see the match! Geez.

Just ask them to move next time.  :-D  Could be the funniest complaint I have ever seen on here.

Yes, I'd like to know what you mean by that because the coaches shouldn't be allowed to interfere in the match. IMHO, several coaches are too involved in their wrestlers' matches, and the Carrs are some of them. As a spectator, I've had instances where they were in my way of trying to see the match and just plain annoying.

Besides, I'd like to hear from some wrestlers who get yelled directions while they're wrestling. Do you like that? Can you even focus on what they're saying?

I think the coaches help is more important than a spectators vision. You can always move, the coaches have to be in that corner.

Yes, I'd like to know what you mean by that because the coaches shouldn't be allowed to interfere in the match. IMHO, several coaches are too involved in their wrestlers' matches, and the Carrs are some of them. As a spectator, I've had instances where they were in my way of trying to see the match and just plain annoying.

Besides, I'd like to hear from some wrestlers who get yelled directions while they're wrestling. Do you like that? Can you even focus on what they're saying?

i personally absolutely love it, theres a joke where every one says you can't understand a word coach car says. thats true until your wrestling because for me i can't hear anything except what the big man is saying, or jojo, but all jojo says is either "Snap, yes yes, fake, get him off your head, yes yes. you don't know what im talking about :-D. haha. nway to answer your question we all love he carrs deeply to the point of family and we back them up with what ever they think s right. so if they think thy have the right t be close on the mat, than we think they have that right. ohh and if you can't see, get another set cause coach carr isn't moving for you.

Glad I could provide a laugh.  :-D Good discussion and none of it really means anything. I'm glad you Woodford guys love your coaches. Many times, when an adult is asked who was the most important influence in his or her life, it's a coach. They play an unbelievably important role in young lives.

Yes, I'd like to know what you mean by that because the coaches shouldn't be allowed to interfere in the match. IMHO, several coaches are too involved in their wrestlers' matches, and the Carrs are some of them. As a spectator, I've had instances where they were in my way of trying to see the match and just plain annoying.

Besides, I'd like to hear from some wrestlers who get yelled directions while they're wrestling. Do you like that? Can you even focus on what they're saying?

I think your reading into his post a little too much.  I believe what he was trying to say wasn't the fact that the Carrs try to interfere with other wrestlers.  What he was trying to say was that if another wrestler becomes distracted by the Carrs as a byproduct of their coaching and loses focus on his opponent, then that's to his advantage.  Lose focus on your opponent and you're in trouble.  It's kind of like when a wrestler loses his cool during a match.  More often than not they start to focus on whatever it is that's bothering them like poor officiating, etc.  If they lose focus on what their out there to do (i.e. wrestling), then the advantage goes to their opponent.  I'm thinking that is more along the lines of what he meant by his comment.

Most kids are over coached while they are wrestling just let them wrestle. That is why we have practice to get them ready for a match. When they are wrestling a coach should be seen and heard very little. Wrestlers should be so focused that they don't hear anything except the whistle. I have seen kids lose matches because they were looking at there coach and not wrestling.

Most kids are over coached while they are wrestling just let them wrestle. That is why we have practice to get them ready for a match. When they are wrestling a coach should be seen and heard very little. Wrestlers should be so focused that they don't hear anything except the whistle. I have seen kids lose matches because they were looking at there coach and not wrestling.

To a point, I disagree.  Yes I agree that there are coaches who "overcoach".  However, there is a reason for having a coach in your corner.  Often times a coach can seen things from a different perspective than what the wrestler may be feeling on the mat.  Different vantage point, different perspective.  He might see something that's open that his wrestler can use to his advantage that the wrestler can't see.

most of the time my coach wont even try and get my attention while im wrestling. he/they will yell something simple to me inbetween periods, bloodtime, or while im wlking bak to the center waiting for the other person to start down. Always simple

most of the time my coach wont even try and get my attention while im wrestling. he/they will yell something simple to me inbetween periods, bloodtime, or while im wlking bak to the center waiting for the other person to start down. Always simple

Exactly!  Sounds like your coaches don't overcoach.  They simply might see something you're doing that you don't notice you're doing and let you know.  Or they might see something your opponent is doing that you don't see.  It might be something as simple as you're carrying your elbow high during the collar tie.

EXACTLY!!!!  Coaches just need to be confident with what they have taught their kids in practice and trust them

wheres the nky love at??? id have to put ryle and cc's coaching staff up there, right along with Dave Barnes

this is a story coach parks told me one time at a family reunion(im his cousin). coach parks was looking for a partner to coach this high school team, Woodford(hail haha j/k) he got this guy that had wrestled for UK , won an sec title, and had other very impressive stats. he instantly liked this guy Joe Carr, stayed at his house a few times. one time the two went to a coaches convention somewhere in the north i forget, any way Dan Gable was giving a little speech and he ended it with," But i don't know why im up here speaking, because the best technition in the nation is sitting right there in the crowd, Mr. Joe Carr. Coach Parks said he about fainted, and to me thats where the real tradition started. i don't think Jeff Jordan would say very much of anything to coach Carr, other than showing respect. and it seems like every time coach Carr goes to the NCAA finals, every coach from every college makes sure they say something to coach Carr.

It amazes me that a lot of guys don't realize how good their coaches are until they get away from the program. Sure the Woodford guys know about Joe Sr and Jr's stats, but I've talked to a couple of guys that were wrestling collegiately and they were complaining that their college coach wasn't very good or didn't really know what he was doing. I told them, think about who was your coach in high school. You can almost see the light bulb above their heads light up as they realize how much they learned from Coach Carr. I'm sure there are a lot of others on here that have seen that as well when they get away from their high school.

My father is 65, and played college basketball but he still talks about how much he learned from his high school coach. You should thank your coach for everything he does for you because you will no truly understand until you look back.

Kinda like this ?

http://msuspartans.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/mtt/reid_mason00.html 

Mason Reid

Class:

Freshman

Hometown:

Union, Ky.

High School:

Ryle

  Weight:

174

PREP: State champion his junior and senior seasons at Larry A. Ryle High School ... Led the Raiders to two second place finishes and a fourth place finish in the state playoffs during his time there ... Finished fifth at the Beast of the East tournament.

PERSONAL: Born Sept. 13, 1990 ... Son of Lee and Leeann Reid ...Undecided on a major ... Lists his high school coaches, Tim Ruschell and Rick Barker, as his biggest wrestling influences.

kinda like that

Mason Reid

   

Class:

Freshman

Hometown:

Union, Ky.

High School:

Ryle

  Weight:

174

PREP: State champion his junior and senior seasons at Larry A. Ryle High School ... Led the Raiders to two second place finishes and a fourth place finish in the state playoffs during his time there ... Finished fifth at the Beast of the East tournament.

PERSONAL: Born Sept. 13, 1990 ... Son of Lee and Leeann Reid ...Undecided on a major ... Lists his high school coaches, Tim Ruschell and Rick Barker, as his biggest wrestling influences.

Did I see Reid in the stands while watching the MSU UofM match on the Big 10 network last week? I understand he has redshirted. If that was him, he needs haircut.

over coached?? thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard. from the people that say some coaches over coach, i have a question, how many state titles do you have? I'm not talking about you individually or champ teams you were apart of i mean how many state titles do you have in your school's history. put that in comparison to woodford who would most def. fit into your category of over coached.

Relax, KY10. You take the internet a little too seriously sometimes. 

over coached?? thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard. from the people that say some coaches over coach, i have a question, how many state titles do you have? I'm not talking about you individually or champ teams you were apart of i mean how many state titles do you have in your school's history. put that in comparison to woodford who would most def. fit into your category of over coached.

I think some coaches tend to overcoach a little.  It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it can be.  Sometimes you can't even understand what they're saying they hollar so much.  None of the coaches I've had personally, but I've definitely seen them.  Anyway, Kentucky10, I guess I'm one of those guys who say some coaches can overcoach.  Oh, and by the way, I wrestled at Mater Dei in Indiana in the early '90s.  I'd be more than happy to compare our state titles to Woodford's any day if you would like to continue that debate.

I think some coaches tend to overcoach a little.  It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it can be.  Sometimes you can't even understand what they're saying they hollar so much.  None of the coaches I've had personally, but I've definitely seen them.  Anyway, Kentucky10, I guess I'm one of those guys who say some coaches can overcoach.  Oh, and by the way, I wrestled at Mater Dei in Indiana in the early '90s.  I'd be more than happy to compare our state titles to Woodford's any day if you would like to continue that debate.

yeeoouuuch.

1 point jo momma :-D

1 point jo momma :-D

don't you mean 2 points for Jo mamma for the early take down :-D

Did I see Reid in the stands while watching the MSU UofM match on the Big 10 network last week? I understand he has redshirted. If that was him, he needs haircut.

I doubt it, since he is listed on the roster as having a 2-3 record.

You know I honestly apologize if my last post seemed spiteful.  I didn't mean anything negative towards the Woodford coaching staff at all.  The Carrs are great coaches, very knowledgable of the sport and yes they are known nationwide, but trying to throw out how many state championships a school has won in order to justify whether or not a coach is great or if they "overcoach" to me, is just plain ridiculous.  I'm fairly new to high school wrestling in Kentucky, but to my knowledge coaches like Phil Coombs, Chuck Anderson, Gary Canter and Tim Ruschell have not led a team to a state championship and would I say they should be considered as some of the best coaches in the state.  I think most everyone would agree with me on that one.  The coaches who overcoach tend to be the younger, newer coaches.  Sometimes they tend to forget they in the corner now and not on the mat.  They get pretty intense.  I can't limit it to just the younger coaches, but they tend to be the ones I notice the most.  Woodford has actually won more state titles than Mater Dei.  We've only won 12 in our school's history (I think Woodford has 13), but I'd put our 12 against their 13 any day.  I mean no offense to the Woodford fans, coaches and wrestlers by that either, but give me a break.

Personally I think that 12 titles in Indiana is more impressive than 13 in Kentucky just because of the level of competion in indiana

cause indiana is just that good :roll:

personally id throw coach william green. i swear this man forgets more about wrestling then most people even know wrestling in high school.hahaha. i memember one time we were wrestling in practice and i hit something i dont remember what it was but he was like"woooo that was nice where did you learn that" he didnt remember he had showed me that summer. anyone from lexington and even coachcarr him self can agree on that since caoch carr and caoch green both wrestled at UK together and both were SEC champions i think. he actually caoched chris mccoy the coach of lafayette. that man has been around a while.

id also so that the coach at harridson county should be mentioned doesnt he have like the national dual meet record or something.

You know I honestly apologize if my last post seemed spiteful.  I didn't mean anything negative towards the Woodford coaching staff at all.  The Carrs are great coaches, very knowledgable of the sport and yes they are known nationwide, but trying to throw out how many state championships a school has won in order to justify whether or not a coach is great or if they "overcoach" to me, is just plain ridiculous.  I'm fairly new to high school wrestling in Kentucky, but to my knowledge coaches like Phil Coombs, Chuck Anderson, Gary Canter and Tim Ruschell have not led a team to a state championship and would I say they should be considered as some of the best coaches in the state.  I think most everyone would agree with me on that one.  The coaches who overcoach tend to be the younger, newer coaches.  Sometimes they tend to forget they in the corner now and not on the mat.  They get pretty intense.  I can't limit it to just the younger coaches, but they tend to be the ones I notice the most.  Woodford has actually won more state titles than Mater Dei.  We've only won 12 in our school's history (I think Woodford has 13), but I'd put our 12 against their 13 any day.  I mean no offense to the Woodford fans, coaches and wrestlers by that either, but give me a break.

Good post, Jo. I'm surprised you know about these coaches since you're new to KY wrestling, because they're generally the quiet men who sit in their chair and watch. They'll get up and talk to the ref if they feel strongly about a bad call. And they'll coach their wrestler when play is stopped. But they don't stand over them yelling directions with their feet on the ring as I've seen some coaches do, especially the Carrs.

"because they're generally the quiet men who sit in their chair and watch. They'll get up and talk to the ref if they feel strongly about a bad call."

MatMamma obviously doesn't know who Chuck is.

I guess my ultimate point is that different coaches have different coaching styles.  One isn't necessarily better than the other.  If a coach can teach his kids or motivate them by yelling, that's great.  If a coach can teach his kids or motivate them by having a softer, more relaxed tone, then that's great as well.  You can't simply justify someone's coaching ability or coaching style based on how many state championships they've won.  Championships look great on a coaching resume' and they're what everybody who competes in a given sport should strive for, but just because they have or haven't won a state championship doesn't mean they can or can't coach!  To me, having a "yelling" style of coaching doesn't necessarily mean you "overcoach" just like having a gentler, more relaxed style of coaching doesn't mean you're a great coach.  What a coach is actually saying and when they say it during a match is what determines whether or not a coach can overdo it not necessarily their coaching demeanor or state titles under their belt.  I'll give an example for everyone.  I live in the Louisville area and even though it's a different sport, I'll give an example of a local football coach.  Ty Scroggins coaches at Central.  He has led Central to 2 state titles the past 2 years, which by the way, were his 1st 2 years coaching at the school.  Before that he coached at Doss.  At Doss I don't think he won more than 1 playoff game in a given year.  His coaching style hasn't changed a bit, but now because he has won 2 titles, does that make him a great coach or justify whatever coaching style he has?  If you say winning 2 state titles now makes him a great coach or justifies his style of coaching, then you have to consider him to have been a great coach when he was at Doss and barely finishing over .500 because his coaching style didn't change.  That's all I'm trying to say.

"because they're generally the quiet men who sit in their chair and watch. They'll get up and talk to the ref if they feel strongly about a bad call."

MatMamma obviously doesn't know who Chuck is.

You're right about that -- Chuck Anderson is loud. I misspoke on that one.

over coached?? thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard. from the people that say some coaches over coach, i have a question, how many state titles do you have? I'm not talking about you individually or champ teams you were apart of i mean how many state titles do you have in your school's history. put that in comparison to woodford who would most def. fit into your category of over coached.

stop throwing all of Woodford's championships in peoples faces... its this exact reason people hate woodford county. :|

stop throwing all of Woodford's championships in peoples faces... its this exact reason people hate woodford county. :|

i agree

The best coaches realize that their main job is to get these young men ready to go out and make a difference in the real world.  Winning on the wrestling mat is a byproduct of the lessons learned. Not to minimize the importance of winning - great coaches balance both. That is one thing that makes Chuck Anderson a great coach, in my opinion.

stop throwing all of Woodford's championships in peoples faces... its this exact reason people hate woodford county. :|

I dont hate woodford. In fact if people hate woodford for being raw doesnt that just make those people jealous and pathetic?

Mason Reid redshirted.  They have tournaments for those kids throughout the season.  Ruschell redshirted and did the same thing.

Mason Reid redshirted.  They have tournaments for those kids throughout the season.  Ruschell redshirted and did the same thing.

So are Reid and Ruschell redshirted coaches? This topic is Best Coaches!!!!!!!!1

Someone used voodoo black magic on my post.  I can assure you I posted this as a response to a question posed about Mason Reid and his long locks.  I just can't find the original post.  I apologize for messing up the forum. 

Thats a good one!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TWO THUMBS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Christian County has some dedicated coaches...Coach Harris and Coach Smith both wonderful assistants who devote their time to the wrestlers all you ahve to do is call and they will open the room up and work with you...Coach Harris is a MACHINE...the guy never quits working he will motivate you and push you to your limits. He definately can bring the best out of his wrestlers..Coach Burnham is determined to have his wrestlers see the best competition in state or out of state...I cant for get Coach Adams "Big A"  he brings the entertainment to the group he is the vocal coach...the one who will say what is on his mind...Id take that coaching staff over any staff any day..LOVE THOSE GUYS..NO HOMO

Hey pin how bout' some DC on the rocks hahahaha

Hey pin how bout' some DC on the rocks hahahaha

haha ill only take it on the rocks

Someone used voodoo black magic on my post.  I can assure you I posted this as a response to a question posed about Mason Reid and his long locks.  I just can't find the original post.  I apologize for messing up the forum. 

Luckily, RyleDad, someone is always available on this forum to correct your every mistake.

Its just like being at home. :-)

I believe I missed an apostrophe in "it's" so I will go ahead and correct myself.

Someone used voodoo black magic on my post.  I can assure you I posted this as a response to a question posed about Mason Reid and his long locks.  I just can't find the original post.  I apologize for messing up the forum. 

My ninja mind tricks aren't honed in yet this morning. So, was it Reid I saw on TV in bad need of haircut? Do you know his projected weight class? MSU seened young at anyplace he would fit in their line-up.

I did not speak to Mason directly so I am not 100% sure but it was my understanding that he redshirted.  It mentioned the possibility in the media guide.  As far as the long hair, that sounds like Mason.  I do know that he is acclimating well to school and collegiate athletics.  And yes I know this is about coaches. 

So

Bob Warnick Boone County High School 76 to 84.  Several state champs, state title, great man changed many wrestlers' lives for the better.  Has more stories about wrestling in Pennsylvania against all the big time wrestlers of that era.  He knew them all.

You know I honestly apologize if my last post seemed spiteful.  I didn't mean anything negative towards the Woodford coaching staff at all.  The Carrs are great coaches, very knowledgable of the sport and yes they are known nationwide, but trying to throw out how many state championships a school has won in order to justify whether or not a coach is great or if they "overcoach" to me, is just plain ridiculous.  I'm fairly new to high school wrestling in Kentucky, but to my knowledge coaches like Phil Coombs, Chuck Anderson, Gary Canter and Tim Ruschell have not led a team to a state championship and would I say they should be considered as some of the best coaches in the state.  I think most everyone would agree with me on that one.  The coaches who overcoach tend to be the younger, newer coaches.  Sometimes they tend to forget they in the corner now and not on the mat.  They get pretty intense.  I can't limit it to just the younger coaches, but they tend to be the ones I notice the most.  Woodford has actually won more state titles than Mater Dei.  We've only won 12 in our school's history (I think Woodford has 13), but I'd put our 12 against their 13 any day.  I mean no offense to the Woodford fans, coaches and wrestlers by that either, but give me a break.

spiteful? nonsence, everybody on this forum knows KY10 always needs to be put in his place, some just don't know how :wink:. so its fine that you burst my state champion bubble, and i apologize for not remembering that there are people with greater accomplishments than woodford on this site. now back to the bashing of heads. im saying over coached, under coached, coached anything can be determined by accomplishments, example Rusty Parks didn't get National High School Coach of the year (for all sports in every highs school in the nation, some people get it mixed up) for just being a good coach, do you see that he got it after our 13th title. as for Mater Dei having 12 state titles, titles are titles anyway you look at them, and by the way this is KENTUCKY wrestling .com so we are talking about best coaches in kentucky that coach teams in kentucky, no one cares about Mater Dei in this forum. as for everybody that says stop throwing your titles in your face, stop crying, wipe your face and win. you know everyone complaines about us but what you have to understand is that wrestling is all that woodford has, our football team hasn't been in it to win it since the 60's, our basketball team is awful,the closest thing we have to another sport having a state title is swimming and girls soccer(woohoo) our school is a wrestling school period. me and some other wrestlers from the past joke that woodford was built in the wrong state.

spiteful? nonsence, everybody on this forum knows KY10 always needs to be put in his place, some just don't know how :wink:. so its fine that you burst my state champion bubble, and i apologize for not remembering that there are people with greater accomplishments than woodford on this site. now back to the bashing of heads. im saying over coached, under coached, coached anything can be determined by accomplishments, example Rusty Parks didn't get National High School Coach of the year (for all sports in every highs school in the nation, some people get it mixed up) for just being a good coach, do you see that he got it after our 13th title. as for Mater Dei having 12 state titles, titles are titles anyway you look at them, and by the way this is KENTUCKY wrestling .com so we are talking about best coaches in kentucky that coach teams in kentucky, no one cares about Mater Dei in this forum. as for everybody that says stop throwing your titles in your face, stop crying, wipe your face and win. you know everyone complaines about us but what you have to understand is that wrestling is all that woodford has, our football team hasn't been in it to win it since the 60's, our basketball team is awful,the closest thing we have to another sport having a state title is swimming and girls soccer(woohoo) our school is a wrestling school period. me and some other wrestlers from the past joke that woodford was built in the wrong state.

Alright, somewhere in between your head and your fingers typing, you seemed to have misunderstood what I was saying.  It happens so I'll forgive you.  My point was not to boast of Mater Dei's titles in Indiana.  I believe your original post said something to the effect of (this is just a paraphrase), 'it's nonsense for anyone to say there is such a thing as overcoaching.  To anyone who says that, how many state team titles do you have' or at least something along those lines.  I was simply stating that I have been a part of a few state team titles in my time for a school that is just as accomplished as Woodford and in a much tougher wrestling state so it's nonsense to say anyone who believes there is such a thing as overcoaching must not be "accomplished" or I guess just plain ignorant.  As far as this being Kentuckywrestling.com, you're right, at least that what the browser says at the top of my screen.  I would never have known that if you hadn't corrected me.  Must be the 13 state titles that made you realize that  (That was spiteful).  I never mentioned any Indiana coaches, I only mentioned other Kentucky coaches that I thought were successful and had not won a state team title to show that great coaches don't necessarily have to have a team title to be considered great or justify if they "overcoach" or not.  The coaches I also mentioned as not having a state team title also had different coaching styles so I was using them to illustrate that it's not the style of coaching that determines if a coach "overcoaches", it's what they say and when they say it, not necessarily how they say it.  Acutally come to think of it, the Carrs have not won any team titles as head coaches either so throw them on the list of great coaches never to have won a state team title.  Yes, they are obviously great coaches, but Rusty Parks was the head coach when Woodford won all of their recent titles, not the Carrs.  I didn't mean to challenge your Woodford manhood or your "alpha male wrestling" status in this state so take a deep breath & relax.  You guys are still the top dogs in Kentucky wrestling history.  Congratulations!!

Didn't coach parks and coach carr win an espy back in the 90's

i think chris mccoy is in the running for the top coaches because he does everything for his team and his region...when he started at lafayette they didnt even have matching singlets and now they always have kids that are in the running for a state championship...much props to coach mccoy and everyone he brings in

i think chris mccoy is in the running for the top coaches because he does everything for his team and his region...when he started at lafayette they didnt even have matching singlets and now they always have kids that are in the running for a state championship...much props to coach mccoy and everyone he brings in

He has done a lot for the sport of wrestling in the whole state. He is always helping run tournaments and his dad always seems to be there announcing.

He has done a lot for the sport of wrestling in the whole state. He is always helping run tournaments and his dad always seems to be there announcing.

He runs very smooth tournaments much props to coach McCoy. Plus they do always have fresh singlets/warm ups.

The Carrs should get best dressed coaches. Senior was stylin and profilin in his yellow jacket.  :evil:

i think chris mccoy is in the running for the top coaches because he does everything for his team and his region...when he started at lafayette they didnt even have matching singlets and now they always have kids that are in the running for a state championship...much props to coach mccoy and everyone he brings in

He's done a hell of a job. I know that when I go to a tournament he is running everything should go off without a hitch and we will be done at a resonable hour.

The Carrs should get best dressed coaches. Senior was stylin and profilin in his yellow jacket.  :evil:

haha wasnt he tho

i thought that Joe jr. pretty spiffy as well

i thought that Joe jr. pretty spiffy as well

lol yea he was stunntin like his daddy lol  :mrgreen:

Goerge Lopez you was lookn quite spiffy to.

hahahaha thanks man u wernt 2 shaby urself

senca coach

the henry clay head coach always looks well dressed not just at the state tourny

the henry clay head coach always looks well dressed not just at the state tourny

These are also 2 of the coaches that I have been very impressed with in the past few years (not just their style, their coaching as well).  Zarth is a very good technician, and they always seem to keep their cool in close matches.  It seems to rub off on their wrestlers.

i have seen headley throw a few fits in his days...especially at city, whenever the ref tried to award brandon stockwell two sets of back points for the same move against jack. not trying to take anything away from either of them, they are great coaches, but just saying i have seen a few words thrown around.

i could see why he would throw a fit for two sets of points with the same move against his wrestler

  Yes, they are obviously great coaches, but Rusty Parks was the head coach when Woodford won all of their recent titles, not the Carrs. 

clearly you know nothing about the woodford wrestling program, so I'm done talking to an ill informed Indiana wrestling god.

clearly you know nothing about the woodford wrestling program, so I'm done talking to an ill informed Indiana wrestling god.

JoMamma was only backing up my post. The facts are clear. Since Rusty Parks left Woodford so have the state titles. That's not to say Parks could have accomplished those titles without Joe Carr. But, the Carrs have yet to win one without Rusty.

all the franklin county coaches.

JoMamma was only backing up my post. The facts are clear. Since Rusty Parks left Woodford so have the state titles. That's not to say Parks could have accomplished those titles without Joe Carr. But, the Carrs have yet to win one without Rusty.

I love Coach Parks to death, always have and always will but as someone very close to the Woodford program I can tell you that Coach Carr has been the key to their success.  In my opinion the fall-off has been nothing but coincidental.  Again I'm not dissing Coach Parks but rather giving the credit where it is due.

I love Coach Parks to death, always have and always will but as someone very close to the Woodford program I can tell you that Coach Carr has been the key to their success.  In my opinion the fall-off has been nothing but coincidental.  Again I'm not dissing Coach Parks but rather giving the credit where it is due.

Anyone that has been around WCHS knows that while coach Parks was listed as the head coach, everyone knew that Coach Carr was the real coach. Hell, even my sister knew that when she was there in the mid 80's. Coach Parks is a great coach and they obviously made an amazing pair playing off each other's strengths, but the technique came from Coach Carr.

Alright, somewhere in between your head and your fingers typing, you seemed to have misunderstood what I was saying.  It happens so I'll forgive you.  My point was not to boast of Mater Dei's titles in Indiana.  I believe your original post said something to the effect of (this is just a paraphrase), 'it's nonsense for anyone to say there is such a thing as overcoaching.  To anyone who says that, how many state team titles do you have' or at least something along those lines.  I was simply stating that I have been a part of a few state team titles in my time for a school that is just as accomplished as Woodford and in a much tougher wrestling state so it's nonsense to say anyone who believes there is such a thing as overcoaching must not be "accomplished" or I guess just plain ignorant.  As far as this being Kentuckywrestling.com, you're right, at least that what the browser says at the top of my screen.  I would never have known that if you hadn't corrected me.  Must be the 13 state titles that made you realize that  (That was spiteful).  I never mentioned any Indiana coaches, I only mentioned other Kentucky coaches that I thought were successful and had not won a state team title to show that great coaches don't necessarily have to have a team title to be considered great or justify if they "overcoach" or not.  The coaches I also mentioned as not having a state team title also had different coaching styles so I was using them to illustrate that it's not the style of coaching that determines if a coach "overcoaches", it's what they say and when they say it, not necessarily how they say it.  Acutally come to think of it, the Carrs have not won any team titles as head coaches either so throw them on the list of great coaches never to have won a state team title.  Yes, they are obviously great coaches, but Rusty Parks was the head coach when Woodford won all of their recent titles, not the Carrs.  I didn't mean to challenge your Woodford manhood or your "alpha male wrestling" status in this state so take a deep breath & relax.  You guys are still the top dogs in Kentucky wrestling history.  Congratulations!!

no, no your taking it the wrong way, see what im saying is that people say there is this thing called over coached, but i say that what other people see as over coached, in this instance th Carrs, other people see it as a great coaching, in this instance woodford wrestlers. so it is nonscence to say that there is such thing as over coaced. and the comment on titles was to state that with out the Carrs "over coaching" woodford wouldn't have the titles today.

no, no your taking it the wrong way, see what im saying is that people say there is this thing called over coached, but i say that what other people see as over coached, in this instance th Carrs, other people see it as a great coaching, in this instance woodford wrestlers. so it is nonscence to say that there is such thing as over coaced. and the comment on titles was to state that with out the Carrs "over coaching" woodford wouldn't have the titles today.

    No really I wasn't taking it the wrong way.  I'm saying there is such a thing as overcoached, but I'm not saying the Carrs overcoach.  People may think that the Carrs overcoach because of their enthusiasm during the match.  I'm saying it's not how a coach says something during a match (obviously the Carrs tend to get excited), it's what they're actually saying and when they say it.  In reality I don't believe the Carrs overcoach.  I've listened to what they say and when they give instructions during a match and obviously they know what to say and when to say something.  If you want to hear such a thing as overcoaching, the next time you're at a tournament, sit by a mat and listen to some of the younger, more inexperienced coaches (some veterans do it as well), especially in a close match.  They're all over the place with the instructions they give and say things at the most inappropriate times.  You may have thought I was dogging the Carrs, but I wasn't at all.  Every post I have made on this thread has said they are great coaches.  Also as far everyone saying Parks may have been the head coach, but the Carrs were the driving force behind the program, I don't want to hear any of you say 'well Rusty Parks was national coach of the year' back in whatever year it was because by some of your statements, he wasn't worthy of that title.  How can you be national coach of the year and not even be the best coach on your staff?  There is way more to coaching than just the field or the mat.  I think that is becoming apparent in the Woodford program.  Parks did a great job of bringing it all together.  Although a 2nd, 3rd & 6th place finish is nothing to be ashamed of, I see Woodford maybe even finishing lower than 6th next year with the "shoe-in" Courtney gone and no one considered the favorite to win their weight class next year (Travis K, Logsdon & Gentry have great chances, but they're not the favorites)

    Now back to your comment of being an "ill informed Indiana wrestling god".  I never said I was a great wrestler (I was decent, not great).  I just said I was a part of a few successful teams in my time just as you may not have been a successful wrestler in your day, but was apparently part of a few of Woodford's state titles.  Please don't feel threatened by my posting anything about Woodford County other than praise.  I've tried to mention as little as Mater Dei as possible on this thread.  I only used them to illustrate my point because you're absolutely right, this is Kentucky wrestling.  That's why I have tried to make this as much about great coaches in KENTUCKY as possible.  You're the one that keeps trying to throw things back at me such as "This is Kentucky wrestling, no one cares about Indiana or Mater Dei" and "ill informed INDIANA wrestling god".  I think someone is feeling insecure or threatened.  Like I said before, you guys are still the top dogs in Kentucky wrestling history and as far as I know, Evansville is in no danger of being made part of the Commonwealth so Mater Dei won't be competing in the KHSAA anytime soon.

    Anyway, to get back on the topic, my vote since I'm close to Louisville goes to Chuck Anderson.  Just about every year he has Seneca in the top 10-12 at state.  The only difference between he and the rest of the coaches in the top 10-12 is the fact that he does it without the benefit of a middle school feeder program.  He takes what he is given and in 4 years turns many of his kids into state placers, if not legitimate individual state champion contenders.  I know Trinity doesn't have a direct middle school feeder program, and not to take anything away from Coach Brown, but they have benefited from the Fern Creek youth program especially this year.  Speaking of Coach Brown, even though this is his 1st year as a head coach, I think he is a coach who will eventually make his mark on Kentucky wrestling.  I guess since he won a state title in his 1st year, people could say that he was the driving force behind Trinity's program the last few year, not Coach Rudolph.  Just kidding although he was a huge part of it.

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     No really I wasn't taking it the wrong way.  I'm saying there is such a thing as overcoached, but I'm not saying the Carrs overcoach.  People may think that the Carrs overcoach because of their enthusiasm during the match.  I'm saying it's not how a coach says something during a match (obviously the Carrs tend to get excited), it's what they're actually saying and when they say it.  In reality I don't believe the Carrs overcoach.  I've listened to what they say and when they give instructions during a match and obviously they know what to say and when to say something.  If you want to hear such a thing as overcoaching, the next time you're at a tournament, sit by a mat and listen to some of the younger, more inexperienced coaches (some veterans do it as well), especially in a close match.  They're all over the place with the instructions they give and say things at the most inappropriate times.  You may have thought I was dogging the Carrs, but I wasn't at all.  Every post I have made on this thread has said they are great coaches.  Also as far everyone saying Parks may have been the head coach, but the Carrs were the driving force behind the program, I don't want to hear any of you say 'well Rusty Parks was national coach of the year' back in whatever year it was because by some of your statements, he wasn't worthy of that title.  How can you be national coach of the year and not even be the best coach on your staff?  There is way more to coaching than just the field or the mat.  I think that is becoming apparent in the Woodford program.  Parks did a great job of bringing it all together.  Although a 2nd, 3rd & 6th place finish is nothing to be ashamed of, I see Woodford maybe even finishing lower than 6th next year with the "shoe-in" Courtney gone and no one considered the favorite to win their weight class next year (Travis K, Logsdon & Gentry have great chances, but they're not the favorites)

     Now back to your comment of being an "ill informed Indiana wrestling god".  I never said I was a great wrestler (I was decent, not great).  I just said I was a part of a few successful teams in my time just as you may not have been a successful wrestler in your day, but was apparently part of a few of Woodford's state titles.  Please don't feel threatened by my posting anything about Woodford County other than praise.  I've tried to mention as little as Mater Dei as possible on this thread.  I only used them to illustrate my point because you're absolutely right, this is Kentucky wrestling.  That's why I have tried to make this as much about great coaches in KENTUCKY as possible.  You're the one that keeps trying to throw things back at me such as "This is Kentucky wrestling, no one cares about Indiana or Mater Dei" and "ill informed INDIANA wrestling god".  I think someone is feeling insecure or threatened.  Like I said before, you guys are still the top dogs in Kentucky wrestling history and as far as I know, Evansville is in no danger of being made part of the Commonwealth so Mater Dei won't be competing in the KHSAA anytime soon.

    Anyway, to get back on the topic, my vote since I'm close to Louisville goes to Chuck Anderson.  Just about every year he has Seneca in the top 10-12 at state.  The only difference between he and the rest of the coaches in the top 10-12 is the fact that he does it without the benefit of a middle school feeder program.  He takes what he is given and in 4 years turns many of his kids into state placers, if not legitimate individual state champion contenders.  I know Trinity doesn't have a direct middle school feeder program, and not to take anything away from Coach Brown, but they have benefited from the Fern Creek youth program especially this year.  Speaking of Coach Brown, even though this is his 1st year as a head coach, I think he is a coach who will eventually make his mark on Kentucky wrestling.  I guess since he won a state title in his 1st year, people could say that he was the driving force behind Trinity's program the last few year, not Coach Rudolph.  Just kidding although he was a huge part of it.

ok whatever guy, just drop it. i never said you were dogging wofo, and i don't need to defend wofo (the titles do it themselves) soo what ever you think over coaching is GREAT!!!!! good for you, you do something to those young coaches who over coach, and as for me (to stay on topic) my vote still goes with the carrs, best coaches in the state if not the best duo of coaches in the nation.

ok whatever guy, just drop it. i never said you were dogging wofo, and i don't need to defend wofo (the titles do it themselves) soo what ever you think over coaching is GREAT!!!!! good for you, you do something to those young coaches who over coach, and as for me (to stay on topic) my vote still goes with the carrs, best coaches in the state if not the best duo of coaches in the nation.

Fair enough.  You're entitled to your opinion no matter if it's right or wrong.  As for me, I've said all along I think the Carrs are great coaches and nobody, no matter how much people may hate Woodford, can deny that.  Coach Walls and Coach Ervin from Union are right there with them as far as coaching duos go.  Two state titles and a runner-up finish in the last three years says it all and with more Ervins on the way, they'll be in the state title hunt for years to come.  With no disrespect to other coaches, my top 10 current coaches (in no particular order) would be Carrs, Walls/Ervin, Anderson, Ruschell, Bankemper, Canter, Matney, Smith (North Hardin), McCoy & Brown.

Fair enough.  You're entitled to your opinion no matter if it's right or wrong.  As for me, I've said all along I think the Carrs are great coaches and nobody, no matter how much people may hate Woodford, can deny that.  Coach Walls and Coach Ervin from Union are right there with them as far as coaching duos go.  Two state titles and a runner-up finish in the last three years says it all and with more Ervins on the way, they'll be in the state title hunt for years to come.  With no disrespect to other coaches, my top 10 current coaches (in no particular order) would be Carrs, Walls/Ervin, Anderson, Ruschell, Bankemper, Canter, Matney, Smith (North Hardin), McCoy & Brown.

Andy Critchfield at Henry Clay and Zac Donnely at Franklin County have done more in a very short time than a couple coaches you listed. OVerall, your list is pretty accurate, though.

meade countys coaching staff have done alot in a very short amount of time. thier only a 3 year team and are already pretty good

The Coaches in the oldham County schools all three:

Fizer- 2003 team and since then, South is consistantly a good program.  They turn out top notch guys,

          hard wrestlers, state champs, and strong dual team's every year.

Fulk-  look at what he's managed to turn north into in the first 5 years of the program.  North is probably

          the best young program in the state.  Every year the get better and better.

Riorden- took over for Martinko and hit the ground running.  We'll see how he does after Martinko's

            wrestlers graduate, but he's started off strong with OC's 1st regional championship ever.

The Coaches in the oldham County schools all three:

Fizer- 2003 team and since then, South is consistantly a good program.  They turn out top notch guys,

           hard wrestlers, state champs, and strong dual team's every year.

Fulk-   look at what he's managed to turn north into in the first 5 years of the program.  North is probably

          the best young program in the state.  Every year the get better and better.

Riorden- took over for Martinko and hit the ground running.  We'll see how he does after Martinko's

            wrestlers graduate, but he's started off strong with OC's 1st regional championship ever.

Im assuming thats in the order of;

South Oldham

North Oldham

Oldham County

??

Oldham County had  a great year this year, but it won't last, they're graduating 8 guys.  South has fallen off but are a consistantly top program.

North will be the team to beat for the next three years.  Their middle school program is strong, and they're returning Thomson, Stuerle (who is he wasn't hurt at regionals would have placed at state) Hinkle, both Ruschs, and I heard they are picking up a certain transfer in their region that will impact their lineup.  The North coaches have turned out some good stuff in their first couple of years.

South will either pick back up, or Fizer will retire and south will fall off the map.  Oldham Co like i said had a strong year, but won't repeat or get close next year.  It'll take Riorden a few years to reload the guys Martinko built over the last 6 years.

Oldham County had  a great year this year, but it won't last, they're graduating 8 guys.  South has fallen off but are a consistantly top program.

North will be the team to beat for the next three years.  Their middle school program is strong, and they're returning Thomson, Stuerle (who is he wasn't hurt at regionals would have placed at state) Hinkle, both Ruschs, and I heard they are picking up a certain transfer in their region that will impact their lineup.  The North coaches have turned out some good stuff in their first couple of years.

South will either pick back up, or Fizer will retire and south will fall off the map.  Oldham Co like i said had a strong year, but won't repeat or get close next year.  It'll take Riorden a few years to reload the guys Martinko built over the last 6 years.

A year of silence does ya gooooddd.

Anyway--------

OC won't fall off.  Riorden is doing the same stuff as Martinko.  Martinko coached him.  They'll be the dominant power in region 5 for years to come.

They Return:

Schyler (should have placed at 103 this year)

Kaelin (state placer)

Toth (will be the man next year!)

Watts

Brenneman (state placer)

-reload from a strong MS program

North returns:

Thomson (state placer)

Stuerle (toop 4 at 145 till he tore himself up)

Hinkle (this kid is fast)

Chase Rusch (3x state qualifier)

Mitch Rusch

Richardson

South returns

Warren (will be a beast next year)

Procter (state placeR)

Edons (when he doesnt have appendictus he will be good again)

Bisenius (region champ)

I think OC dominates the region for the next few years, followed by North, then Eastern, then South.

Look at regionals this year:

OC- dominated region.  will reload and do the same next year.

Eastern- snuck into second, lose the scoring power of Davis next year.  They will not be top 2 next year, they really shouldn't have been this year, but they showed up on the day that counted.

North- showed up weak at regionals because they lost big guns in Stuerle (broken took 6th, should have been top 3), Rusch (puked his way out of a finals match where he would have beat Bisenius) if they have Stuerle healthy, and Rusch healthy they would have been 2 or 3 in the region

South- losing houchens, Knight, Vaughn to name a few.  If Fizer does step down, that program will fall apart.

So there you go.

As far as coaching-

Riorden- hardnosed, tough, OC style created by Martinko.  Pound you down, then T bar you to death.

Fulk- tough, aggressive, excellant on their feet with some Northern KY leg riding mixed in.

Fiser- proven Iowa style with butt drags, near side wrist rides and deep in doubles.

Fair enough.  You're entitled to your opinion no matter if it's right or wrong.  As for me, I've said all along I think the Carrs are great coaches and nobody, no matter how much people may hate Woodford, can deny that.  Coach Walls and Coach Ervin from Union are right there with them as far as coaching duos go.  Two state titles and a runner-up finish in the last three years says it all and with more Ervins on the way, they'll be in the state title hunt for years to come.  With no disrespect to other coaches, my top 10 current coaches (in no particular order) would be Carrs, Walls/Ervin, Anderson, Ruschell, Bankemper, Canter, Matney, Smith (North Hardin), McCoy & Brown.

i would say that Griggs and Zeppa are better coaches than McCoy, and these Meade co coaches are better than Griggs or Zeppa. i don't know Bankemper or Matney, so im out of the loop there.

i would say that Griggs and Zeppa are better coaches than McCoy, and these Meade co coaches are better than Griggs or Zeppa. i don't know Bankemper or Matney, so im out of the loop there.

In Region 5 i'd go with Fiser and Fulk as the best.

Matney was at Sheldon Clark in the 90s when they were the best school from the Mtn region (back when there were districts and regions) and now he's made Johnson Central a contender. Great coach, his wrestlters are always some of the toughest in the state.

Matney was at Sheldon Clark in the 90s when they were the best school from the Mtn region (back when there were districts and regions) and now he's made Johnson Central a contender. Great coach, his wrestlters are always some of the toughest in the state.

i see well yes he is a good coach. i would make my top ten

1.Carrs

2.Ruschel

3.Matney

4. Walls/Ervin

5.Seneca dude

6.Zeppa

7.Meade

8.Coach Green (lafayett)

9.Griggs

10.Hitchings

i would say that Griggs and Zeppa are better coaches than McCoy, and these Meade co coaches are better than Griggs or Zeppa. i don't know Bankemper or Matney, so im out of the loop there.

explain?

why explain its his opinion

ive never seen either one and wanted to know their stats

i see well yes he is a good coach. i would make my top ten

1.Carrs

2.Ruschel

3.Matney

4. Walls/Ervin

5.Seneca dude

6.Zeppa

7.Meade

8.Coach Green (lafayett)

9.Griggs

10.Hitchings

how would you have those ten on there, and not coach headley? he was an assistant coach at iowa wasnt he? that has to account for something. he has had some really great wrestlers come out of his program too, example of matt zarth, tyler sexton, garrison headley(his son), and luke metzger to name a few.

Matney was at Sheldon Clark in the 90s when they were the best school from the Mtn region (back when there were districts and regions) and now he's made Johnson Central a contender. Great coach, his wrestlters are always some of the toughest in the state.

If anyone saw the piece that Diane Sawyer did on Appalachia, you would agree that Coach Matney is more than a coach to those boys no matter if thet were at Sheldon Clark or Johnson Central.

where can u find that, "piece"?

yes that was a good show

it called

"children of the appalachia"

http://abcnews.go.com/search?searchtext=Appalachian%20Poverty&type=

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how would you have those ten on there, and not coach headley? he was an assistant coach at iowa wasnt he? that has to account for something. he has had some really great wrestlers come out of his program too, example of matt zarth, tyler sexton, garrison headley(his son), and luke metzger to name a few.

Because all these coaches have brought there teams together to be competitors a the state level, i can't remember when Henry Clay had a full squad that had decent wrestles at each weight-class. It seems to me that headly focuses on one wrestler each year and that is what makes that one wrestler amazing, not the team. don't like it make your own list.

Because all these coaches have brought there teams together to be competitors a the state level, i can't remember when Henry Clay had a full squad that had decent wrestles at each weight-class. It seems to me that headly focuses on one wrestler each year and that is what makes that one wrestler amazing, not the team. don't like it make your own list.

I have to say Headley is a very good coach and he should make the list.  Henry Clay does sport the most state champions without a team championship.  He focuses on the team but it's hard to have a good team when most of your wrestlers start their freshman year.  He can't push them too hard because he'll run most of them off.  At Woodford our elementary program and middle school teams feed us wrestlers that have a year or two under their belt and all they have to do is turn up the intensity.

I have to say Headley is a very good coach and he should make the list.  Henry Clay does sport the most state champions without a team championship.  He focuses on the team but it's hard to have a good team when most of your wrestlers start their freshman year.  He can't push them too hard because he'll run most of them off.  At Woodford our elementary program and middle school teams feed us wrestlers that have a year or two under their belt and all they have to do is turn up the intensity.

Bracco, Travis k, Derek Cambell, Brian White,Nick Gualiardo, Bill Semones, Patrick Blevins TREY GENTRY!?!?! Thats 8 so far in the starting line up that started wrestling freshman year, more than half the team. sorry jpizar i think i just proved you wrong, my list stays.

Bracco, Travis k, Derek Cambell, Brian White,Nick Gualiardo, Bill Semones, Patrick Blevins TREY GENTRY!?!?! Thats 8 so far in the starting line up that started wrestling freshman year, more than half the team. sorry jpizar i think i just proved you wrong, my list stays.

Lol I know and have worked with every single one of those kids so you don't have to get worked up on me.  I never said anything about Headley being better than Coach Carr, just that Headley is good.  Also if you notice this year's team is way down than past years.  Hmmm perhaps theres a reason for that, maybe because they started as freshman.  In years past the majority of our place winners and champs started in middle school.  BTW Derek Campbell wrestled in middle school and I wouldn't be surprised if Travis K, Bracco, and Semones did as well.

Lol I know and have worked with every single one of those kids so you don't have to get worked up on me.  I never said anything about Headley being better than Coach Carr, just that Headley is good.  Also if you notice this year's team is way down than past years.  Hmmm perhaps theres a reason for that, maybe because they started as freshman.  In years past the majority of our place winners and champs started in middle school.  BTW Derek Campbell wrestled in middle school and I wouldn't be surprised if Travis K, Bracco, and Semones did as well.

Yeah, Campbell wrestled 3 years in Middle School but I'm certain that Bracco, Travis and Bill didn't wrestle at all in Middle School.

i see well yes he is a good coach. i would make my top ten

1.Carrs

2.Ruschel

3.Matney

4. Walls/Ervin

5.Seneca dude

6.Zeppa

7.Meade

8.Coach Green (lafayett)

9.Griggs

10.Hitchings

OK my list.

1.  Bankemper (Campbell)

2.  Matney (Sheldon Cl,/John Cen)

3.  Carr Sr. (Woodford)

4.  Anderson (Seneca)

5.  Walls (Union)

6.  Ruschell (Ryle)

7.  (Harrison Co.) Can't remember his name

8.  Coomes Sr. (East, still an assistant)

9.  (Wayne Co.) Can't remember his name eather

10.  Headley (Henry Clay)

10.  Paden (Larue)

Honerable mention

Badida (Conner) Loooong history

(Danville coach) Always has somethng with a really small team)

(Nelson Co coach) Bringing his team a long way in a short time.

Fiser (South Oldham)

Dingus Sr.  (Bourbon Co.) another with a loooong history.

How can the winningest Coach in high school history be left off any of these best coaches list?

Coach Reigle, Harrison County

How can the winningest Coach in high school history be left off any of these best coaches list?

Coach Reigle, Harrison County

grappler-of-old had him at #7

Lol I know and have worked with every single one of those kids so you don't have to get worked up on me.  I never said anything about Headley being better than Coach Carr, just that Headley is good.  Also if you notice this year's team is way down than past years.  Hmmm perhaps theres a reason for that, maybe because they started as freshman.  In years past the majority of our place winners and champs started in middle school.  BTW Derek Campbell wrestled in middle school and I wouldn't be surprised if Travis K, Bracco, and Semones did as well.

I know that all three of them did not start until their fresman year and Gentry didn't start until his sophmore year. Hid dad wanted him to put on weight for football so he worked on that his freshman year.

grappler-of-old had him at #7

Sorry Old Grappler

Thanks man.  Gotta give me my props.

Sorry I couldn't remember his name tho.

OK my list.

1.  Bankemper (Campbell)

2.  Matney (Sheldon Cl,/John Cen)

3.  Carr Sr. (Woodford)

4.  Anderson (Seneca)

5.  Walls (Union)

6.  Ruschell (Ryle)

7.  (Harrison Co.) Can't remember his name

8.  Coomes Sr. (East, still an assistant)

9.  (Wayne Co.) Can't remember his name eather

10.  Headley (Henry Clay)

10.  Paden (Larue)

Honerable mention

Badida (Conner) Loooong history

(Danville coach) Always has somethng with a really small team)

(Nelson Co coach) Bringing his team a long way in a short time.

Fiser (South Oldham)

Dingus Sr.  (Bourbon Co.) another with a loooong history.

Sorry I'm not trying to call you out but how can you not have Carr at the top of your list?  This is a serious question with no sarcasm intended.

BTW the Wayne Co coach is Upchurch and he has done a very good job with that program through the years.  Also I think the real LaRue coach is Canter, not Paden, but I could be wrong.  Other than the Coach Carr question I pretty much agree with your list.

jp:

The reason Carr is not higher is because he is unproven as a head coach.  Heck I don't think he is still the head coach.

As many has said on here, Mr. Carr is probably the best mat/technique coach however there is much more to it than that.  Without Mr. Parks the team does not seem to be doing as well.  I'm not in the wrestling room or at the school so I'm not sure what has happened. 

Truth is I considered him lower but gave him the benefit of the doubt.  With coach Parks next to him I would agree with you whole heartedly.  We will just have to wait and see what happens. 

  Also I think the real LaRue coach is Canter, not Paden, but I could be wrong. 

Canter is the Head Coach at LaRue (and congrats to him for becoming a new member of the 5th Region Hall of Fame!!!!). Paden was an assistant in the late 90's up until 2001. He then took over the middle school program in 2003, and just resigned as MS coach last year. He is now a volunteer assistant with the High School.

Joe Carr Sr.  Best of the best.  With or without Parks.

Joe Carr Sr.  Best of the best.  With or without Parks.

No doubt, part of  the 5th best wrestling family in the world ( i think thats what USA Wrestling Mag said) silver medalist in Pan Am, SEC champ, etc it goes on and on. the man sets the bar to which every other coach tries to reach.

Ahh listen to these two Homers.  :-D :roll:

Facts are facts. Woodford has been in a decline since Coach Parks retired. I don't think it will stay that way because the Carr combo won't allow it. For now, it is what it is.

Facts are facts. Woodford has been in a decline since Coach Parks retired. I don't think it will stay that way because the Carr combo won't allow it. For now, it is what it is.

Sure, helluva decline too.    And you are right the Carr's won't allow it.  They understand excellence in a way not many other people ever will.

My money would be on Jim Kraiseg at X.  He was a helluva coach when i was there, as was Coach Garing.  Both men pushed every young man in that room to be the best of the best.  Jim to this day is someone who I proudly pattern myself after in many ways.  Great guy on and off the mat.

Facts are facts. Woodford has been in a decline since Coach Parks retired. I don't think it will stay that way because the Carr combo won't allow it. For now, it is what it is.

Exactly! We have been in a decline, but we deff won't be there for long. Our middle school team will feed our middle school with some decent wrestlers, and next year we may have a few kids step up and do something at regionals and state. Derek Cambell is a good example of how our freshman can step up, a freshman and in the region finals at a weight class where we had no one is a big bonus. maybe next year we will have another kid step up. Im not saying that we will be dominant while im at wofo, but come 3 or 4 years and i think that we will be winning stare titles again.