I would like to know about what refs to look out for....who should be there and who should not..i know i would like cattan,barnett or jim shaw..who else is good..i have not seen all of them this year..
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what refs to want at region and state
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I like the two new refs, they wrestled for central hardin last year. one is Tyler Lasley(I think I spelled it right) and I dont remember the other ones name. he was like Hawiian or something. i believe he was their 125 or 130.
I like the two new refs, they wrestled for central hardin last year. one is Tyler Lasley(I think I spelled it right) and I dont remember the other ones name. he was like Hawiian or something. i believe he was their 125 or 130.
Are you serious, those are two of the worst refs in the state.
Lasley is a pretty good ref i think, stephen rivera is an alright ref not the bestI like the two new refs, they wrestled for central hardin last year. one is Tyler Lasley(I think I spelled it right) and I dont remember the other ones name. he was like Hawiian or something. i believe he was their 125 or 130.
wow...cattan...
the shaw brothers haha!!!!!!! not. Keep them away from any wrestling mat
i feel the same way about all three of them...
I am a fan of Shumate and Barnett. I did not think that Walls did that bad at State last year, but that was the only time I have seen them.
the shaw brothers haha!!!!!!! not. Keep them away from any wrestling mat
That's true. I feel the Shaws have somewhat of a prejudice against W. Ky wrestlers, maybe because they used to spank them across the mat back in the day 
No but really I feel that most of the refs do a decent job especially at the state tournament. I've never had a bad ref in any of my matches but I know of a few teammates that have, that's what I base it my judgements on. Cattan is a little overrated though, alot of missed calls and bad judgements and we could have some different state champions due to them. Walls is alright when it comes to the state tournament, but when it comes to say Caldwell Co. Inv. or any region 1 tournament he likes to be the center of attention which irritates me. Let the wrestlers wrestle and the coaches coach and the refs referee not sit there try to be the star on the mat.
[i would really like to see McNut, he is really consistant.
The other new Ref from Central is Steven Ravera
Barnett is the best. I like the one named Jimmie -- Is that Jimmie Davis? Cody Walls is all right. Cattan knows the sport, but he's so full of himself and inconsistent. I agree that he's sometimes controlled the outcome of a match. He's ugly as homemadfe sin, too.
I think we all agree that Barnett is the best ref, Unless you like to stall then he's going to make you wrestle. I also like Mark Shumate and Rocky. Both the Shaw brothers do a good job. Joe Fattann sucks!!! He's gotten to fat to get down on the mat to call back points. Fattan has it in his head that we gather in the gym each Saturday to watch the Joe Fattan show, stay home fat Joe we won't miss you.
I think we all agree that Barnett is the best ref, Unless you like to stall then he's going to make you wrestle. I also like Mark Shumate and Rocky. Both the Shaw brothers do a good job. Joe Fattann sucks!!! He's gotten to fat to get down on the mat to call back points. Fattan has it in his head that we gather in the gym each Saturday to watch the Joe Fattan show, stay home fat Joe we won't miss you.
LOL
Vaughn Little always does an outstanding job.
bring in refs from another state that have no love for certain teams!!!
bring in refs from another state that have no love for certain teams!!!
that could be a good idea but unless they are getting paid good money and a place to stay i doubt they would come
bring in refs from another state that have no love for certain teams!!!
I think Jeremy Callen from WV is one of the best, has did the WCI the past 4 or 5 years with some other WV Refs. He has also done KY state 4 yrs. that I can think of. He is consistent and far, yes he has made some mistakes.When I asked him about some that I saw, about 50% were a judgment call, 30% he did not see and 20% he said he made a mistake. This is over 5yrs that I have seen him Ref and only a few that I would ? each day.
bring in refs from another state that have no love for certain teams!!!
i wouldnt want that because they would ref completely different than the refs in our state had reffed all year. many calls would be different, besides certain states have different rules.
If you bring in refs from other states that is just going to make things worse in KY. How would you feel if you working in this state all year then it cam post season time and you were told that your not good enough we are going to bring some out of state guys in. If you think we dont have that many refs now just do that and see what would happen
I believe most all states follow the National Federation of State High School Associations rules, although all Refs are a little different the rules are the same. Each state does have some different rules on some things, once your on the mat it's the same. The same could be said about a Ref from east or west KY going to state and you have never him/her. As with most all sports there are three teams on the field, court, rink, mat, the two teams competing and the Refs. All you can do is your part/teams part to beat the other person/team, hope the Ref does his job and gets all the calls right (this will not always happen). You or your team can also take it out of the Refs hands by scoring so much and being so good that it not even close to involving the Ref at end. Other than that you just have to deal with what you have like everyone else.
You or your team can also take it out of the Refs hands by scoring so much and being so good that it not even close to involving the Ref at end. Other than that you just have to deal with what you have like everyone else.
Probably the best advice yet.
actually some states rules on wrestling are different and a lot of the paces are different. such as in indiana, the banana split is illegal, even if done slowly and controlled. i know this because i went to camp in illinois this pst summer, and one of my teamates used this move in a match, and he got called for it. about the paces being different, i know that in ohio, if your first move off the whistle is a step back, you are hit for stalling right there. has this ever been the case in kentucky?
the problem isnt about bringing in unbiased refs from out of state, its getting rid of the biased ones we already have, and the ones everyone has a problem with year in and year out.
actually some states rules on wrestling are different and a lot of the paces are different. such as in indiana, the banana split is illegal, even if done slowly and controlled. i know this because i went to camp in illinois this pst summer, and one of my teamates used this move in a match, and he got called for it. about the paces being different, i know that in ohio, if your first move off the whistle is a step back, you are hit for stalling right there. has this ever been the case in kentucky?
the problem isnt about bringing in unbiased refs from out of state, its getting rid of the biased ones we already have, and the ones everyone has a problem with year in and year out.
Rules for Indiana(with MODIFICATIONS & RECOMMENDATIONS) & OH same as KY, NFHSA
Indiana High School Athletic Association, Inc.
By-Laws
FOLKSTYLE SPECIFIC MODIFICATIONS & RECOMMENDATIONS
NFHSA Rules will apply with the following modifications as listed on this page:
1. Athletes must weigh-in wearing a competition singlet. No school attachment is allowed.
2. All corrections of error and bad time MUST be settled with the official/head official at mat side
using the guidelines per NFHS Rules. No judgment issue will be reviewed.
3. The ISWA recommends that line bracketing be used at all Folkstyle events where there are 4 or
more in a weight class. Vertical pairing is recommended for 3 or less. Copies of bracket sheets, flow
charts, etc. are availble for printing on the ISWA web site: www.iswa.com.
4. With the exception of the State Finals, weight classes should be split, (only one time) in the event
there are 17 or more wrestlers in any one weight class.
http://www.iswa.com/2004PDF/2004%20Rules%20Modifications%20FS-GR.pdf
2009 WRESTLING TOURNAMENT REGULATIONS
REFER TO OHSAA WEBSITE - www.ohsaa.org
7. SCORING
The point system as adopted by the National Federation Wrestling Rules Committee for the current season shall be used in all tournaments. Rules are specific in awarding points during tournaments and should be strictly followed by tournament managers.
that post has nothing to do with what moves are illegal, and which ones arent. so if that was meant to prove mine wrong, sorry im sticking by my earlier post.
that post has nothing to do with what moves are illegal, and which ones arent. so if that was meant to prove mine wrong, sorry im sticking by my earlier post.
You can go to the link below and get a rule book, it covers KY,IN and OH and does tell you what moves are legal and illegal. Same book for all three states w/mod for IN (not dealing with what happens on the mat).
Get the rule book, go to IN & OH and see if it's the same book. (or save gas and don't open your mouth when you don't know what your talking about) :-D
KHSAA RULES AND REGULATIONS
Governing Wrestling Tournaments
VII) Rules The National Federation of State High School Association Rules
will be used at all tournaments
sorry gsp that apparently what i learned at the wrestling camp i attended was wrong, maybe you shouldnt make stipulations on what i did and did not learn and what i should and shouldnt comment on. but thanks for your input, and the information you have brought to the table. cant imagine why my instructors would lie to my entire team though. you have any idea why?
sorry gsp that apparently what i learned at the wrestling camp i attended was wrong, maybe you shouldnt make stipulations on what i did and did not learn and what i should and shouldnt comment on. but thanks for your input, and the information you have brought to the table. cant imagine why my instructors would lie to my entire team though. you have any idea why?
I could say a few things now, but I will just say this. As you go through life alot of people will tell you things but before you take their word to task, do your homework and know what you talking about. Not he said, she said, or my friend said, it will keep you from looking dumb. :-o
you could also give me a +1 karma :-D
well gsp, i took time out of my night and followed the link you issued me, but i cant seem to find a section dedicated, just to illegal moves. would you be willing to find this section for me, cause the only illegal move i saw, was the backflip. and i may appear dumb right now, and not know my rules, but im pretty sure thats not the only illegal move in wrestling.
you could also give me a +1 karma :-D
I doubt he did that. :-D
i actually dont think i have ever smited or praised anyone on this site.
well gsp, i took time out of my night and followed the link you issued me, but i cant seem to find a section dedicated, just to illegal moves. would you be willing to find this section for me, cause the only illegal move i saw, was the backflip. and i may appear dumb right now, and not know my rules, but im pretty sure thats not the only illegal move in wrestling.
It's about the $, you have to spend $6.95 to get the nfhs wrestling rule book (the same as your Coach should have). OH, IN and KY HS web sites just say they follow the NFHS rules. Same book, same rules on the mat.
omg tc125 said he went to a camp in illinois and you all are arguing about indiana and ohio and kentucky you said the bananna split is illegal in illinois and that stalling was in ohio if you stepped back correct? so you both are arguing over nothin
so now it appears armbar has made us both look stupid gsp :-o
no i love you all are arguing i just want you all to have the facts so i can see who truly wins :-D
fair enough armbar, lol.
omg tc125 said he went to a camp in illinois and you all are arguing about indiana and ohio and kentucky you said the bananna split is illegal in illinois and that stalling was in ohio if you stepped back correct? so you both are arguing over nothin
The way I read tc125, he said he went to a camp in Il and a teammate at camp used banana split in IN where it was illegal. And he also talks about OH rules, I was just saying that the rules for KY,IN, IN are the same the NFHSA Rules. And he was wrong about the banana split & if your first move off the whistle is a step back, you are hit for stalling right there compared to KY. So you might say it's about nothing, but he is wrong.
actually some states rules on wrestling are different and a lot of the paces are different. such as in indiana, the banana split is illegal, even if done slowly and controlled. i know this because i went to camp in illinois this pst summer, and one of my teamates used this move in a match, and he got called for it.
about the paces being different, i know that in ohio, if your first move off the whistle is a step back, you are hit for stalling right there. has this ever been the case in kentucky?
well gsp it appears i made a fatal error in my first post, that led to my downfall. i went to camp in illinois, and at camp, during a match, in illinois, the banana split was deemed illegal by the ref of the match. seems we are argueing over two different places. and it was completely my fault.
well gsp it appears i made a fatal error in my first post, that led to my downfall. i went to camp in illinois, and at camp, during a match, in illinois, the banana split was deemed illegal by the ref of the match. seems we are argueing over two different places. and it was completely my fault.
Not sure where you get the banana split being illegal.
I bet it was ruled Potentially Dangerous, page 21:http://matref0.tripod.com/Articles/NFHS_Rules_Photos.pdf
Seems that IL uses the same rules (National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) Wrestling Rules)
http://www.ihsa.org/activity/wr/2008-09/t-and-cs.pdf
Page 4
VIII. TOURNAMENT RULES
A. The official 2008-09 National
Federation Wrestling Rules shall be in effect for all tournaments.
As far as your earlier remark, "i wouldnt want that because they would ref completely different than the refs in our state had reffed all year. many calls would be different, besides certain states have different rules." Not sure what other states you are talking about, see below.
The National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) is the body that writes the rules of competition for most high school sports and activities in the United States. Most high schools, whether public or private, belong to their state's high school association; in turn, each state association belongs to the NFHS
The NFHS publishes rules books for each sport or activity, and most states adopt those rules wholly for state high school competition.
Member associations
* Alabama High School Athletic Association [1]
* Alaska School Activities Association [2]
* Arizona Interscholastic Association [3]
* Arkansas Activities Association [4]
* California Interscholastic Federation [5]
* Colorado High School Activities Association [6]
* Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference [7]
* Delaware Interscholastic Athletic Association [8]
* District of Columbia Interscholastic Athletic Association
* Florida High School Athletic Association [9]
* Georgia High School Association [10]
* Hawaii High School Athletic Association [11]
* Idaho High School Activities Association [12]
* Illinois High School Association [13]
* Indiana High School Athletic Association [14]
* Iowa High School Athletic Association [15]
* Kansas State High School Activities Association [16]
* Kentucky High School Athletic Association [17]
* Louisiana High School Athletic Association [18]
* Maine Principals' Association [19]
* Maryland Public Secondary Schools Athletic Association [20]
* Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association [21]
* Michigan High School Athletic Association [22]
* Minnesota State High School League [23]
* Mississippi High School Activities Association [24]
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* New Hampshire Interscholastic Athletic Association [29]
* New Jersey State Interscholastic Athletic Association [30]
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* New York State Public High School Athletic Association [32]
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* Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic Association [38]
* Rhode Island Interscholastic League [39]
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* Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association [42]
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gsp, i told you in my post, the ref of the match at camp, deemed the move illegal. it doesnt really matter though, cause even if we do get refs from out of statem i doubt they would come from illinois, meaning they would come from a surrounding state, and you have said several times most of the surrounding states use the same rule book.
i wouldnt want that because they would ref completely different than the refs in our state had reffed all year. many calls would be different, besides certain states have different rules.
No offense to the officials in this state, but don't our refs do that same thing? How many times do you honestly see stalling called in the regular season & then you get to state and stalling is called like crazy often times. A couple of years ago, I think I saw "unnecessary roughness" called twice the whole year and then at state, I saw it called two times in one match and another 5 or 6 times that I can recall. That's just the matches I was watching and obviously with 4 mats going at once, you can't watch all the action.
Also, unless things have changed in the last 10 years as far as the Indiana rules are concerned, the banana split is a legal move. I got to watch one of my teammates make a kid actually groan out loud when he did it to him. Looked real painful too. No potentially dangerous call and the match wasn't stopped.
i thought he said it was deemed a illegal at the camp he went to in illinois not indiana. unless i miss read the post
i thought he said it was deemed a illegal at the camp he went to in illinois not indiana. unless i miss read the post
Not sure what he is talking about because the rules are the same, that's my point. He doesn't know what he is talking about. As with other threads, he just likes to talk.
yes gsp thats it, i just like to talk. but forever, i was talking about in illinois. as i restated earlier.
I didn't read all the posts, but will chime in on my understanding of the b-splits.
I know in Ohio you can't split them straight apart, it has to be more of a scissor split (i.e. inside leg up towards the stomach/head).
That is how I have always understood the rule/interpretation. This would have probably been the refs call in Illinois.
yes and as i did so everyone else be the judge who won the argument vote now
if you vote for kasey hedges (see i spelled it right tcwrestler) put the devil :evil:
if mygsp won put the fro :mrgreen:
lol, well i appreciate your alls chime ins in our arguement...oh btw :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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