What happened to Justin Davis? Default in the championship!

I was wondering that as well

They called an illegal crossface on him.  Thomson didn't get back up.

What was the score at the time of the cross face? Who was winning? Was the cross face out of frustration from losing?

What was the score at the time of the cross face? Who was winning? Was the cross face out of frustration from losing?

No. Justin was winning.

Can you elaborate Mamma?

Can you elaborate Mamma?

No, I'd rather not be the one to get into it. It was one of those disputed situations. J.D. will be ready for State, going in as a 2 seed. He's still the guy to beat at 140.

Justin Davis was winning by a pretty good margin but he's a very aggressive wrestler as any of his teammates will tell you. When he crossfaced the N. Oldham wrestler it was pretty hard and he didn't get up right away. In fact he didn't get up until DAvis was disqualified. However he looked fine and didn't show any signs of being hurt.

If nobody wants to talk about it, then, why ??  Davis was winning and would have probably won the match unless he made a mistake. 

As a parent from another team (not north oldham) who was watching the match and saw what happened, they were not just cross faces.  In my opinion he lost his composure from a headlock that Thomson put on him that appeared to be restricting his air intake seconds earlier in the match.  He hit Thomson with the left close fist and then even harder with the right closed fist.  A returning State Champ needs to have the composure to compete in these situations, as does any highschool wrestler who gets on the mat. The official was not able to see what happen, but believe me, from the stands several people did including myself.  He(Davis) should have been tossed for that action in my opinion and not allowed to compete at state. As for Thomson not getting back up, I am not so sure if the injury was valid or not, but if the official is going to allow these actions on the mat and not send a message to all the kids it will not be tolerated, then at least awarding the match to Thomson was just .  These kids need to remember this is not MMA and it is highschool wrestling.  There are bigger things in life and more experiences these kids will face in their lives and not wanting to discuss and talk about it is only sweeping under the rug when incidents like this does  occur.  I hope he learns a valuable lesson from his actions as well as officials start paying closer attention to these actions and discipline accordingly.

I find it hard to believe that the referee didn't see it.  If it was the finals match there should have been two refs so one of them should have been able to see it due to positioning.  If they didn't see it then how was it called?  Did the coach point it out?  Just wondering how it came about and if he got disqualified or if he just lost the match due to an illegal move. 

Some of the wrestlers around me that weren't on either team just called it a crossface. I guess depending on where you were sitting and what angle you were watching from you might have seen something different.

It's pretty standard to award a point to the opponent of someone that does something illegal. So there are rules and penalties. But keeping someone from going to state would be extreme. And I don't think the winning the state tournament would carry the same meaning if perhaps one of the best wrestlers in the state didn't participate. How would the champ know if he really was the best? I predict Davis will be a repeat champion!

If nobody wants to talk about it, then, why ??  Davis was winning and would have probably won the match unless he made a mistake. 

As a parent from another team (not north oldham) who was watching the match and saw what happened, they were not just cross faces.  In my opinion he lost his composure from a headlock that Thomson put on him that appeared to be restricting his air intake seconds earlier in the match.  He hit Thomson with the left close fist and then even harder with the right closed fist.  A returning State Champ needs to have the composure to compete in these situations, as does any highschool wrestler who gets on the mat. The official was not able to see what happen, but believe me, from the stands several people did including myself.  He(Davis) should have been tossed for that action in my opinion and not allowed to compete at state. As for Thomson not getting back up, I am not so sure if the injury was valid or not, but if the official is going to allow these actions on the mat and not send a message to all the kids it will not be tolerated, then at least awarding the match to Thomson was just .  These kids need to remember this is not MMA and it is highschool wrestling.  There are bigger things in life and more experiences these kids will face in their lives and not wanting to discuss and talk about it is only sweeping under the rug when incidents like this does  occur.  I hope he learns a valuable lesson from his actions as well as officials start paying closer attention to these actions and discipline accordingly.

Blah, I didn't say I didn't want to talk about it. I said it was a disputed situation, as various people had varied opinions on what happened. From where I was, the people around me watching the match said first that Thomson was choking Davis. Then they said, "Wow, that's a mean crossface." They didn't say "Wow, Davis just hit that guy." And I would add that the people around me were not Eastern parents or fans. In fact, some of then weren't even from Region 5.

The coaches reviewed the video of the match and talked with the ref and determined that awarding the match to Thomson was warranted. That's Davis' consequences. Now he's not undefeated, and he goes to State as a no. 2 seed. I think he did learn a lesson, and, as I said, he'll be ready for State.

You're right that there are bigger things in life and high school wrestling. To have DQed Davis from State would have had a profound effect on his future. He paid for, perhaps, getting too aggressive, and Eastern paid by losing the win and the first place standing in that weight.

Remember the difference between unnecessary roughness vs. unsportmanship and illegal :-D

Remember the difference between unnecessary roughness vs. unsportmanship and illegal :-D

Has Been, I think that's an important point but also an area that's hugely open for interpretation. I know of a wrestler a few years ago who was slammed so hard in regionals he suffered a mild concussion and was not even awarded a point. Losing that one point cost him the match, besides the fact that he had to continue wrestling injured.

Things like this are a judgement call, and that makes it tough.

I agree, Davis lost his composure and slugged Thompson twice with two very aggressive and very intentional cross-faces.  If I was referring I would have DQ'd him for unsportsmanlike like conduct.  However that didn't happen and Thompson's choice not to continue leaves me with some questions.  Thompson is a very tough kid and I find it hard to believe that he couldn't weather two shots to the head.  Because I'm such a big fan of both young men I guess I'm a little disappointed with both wrestlers, Davis for losing his cool and Thompson for not manning up and finishing the match.  As far as my observation point, I was close enough to hear both pops.

thompson is a baby and can handle a crossface. who cant continue from a crossface. i hope he goes 2 and out at state. Davis will still win state. Grow up thompson

Has Been, I think that's an important point but also an area that's hugely open for interpretation. I know of a wrestler a few years ago who was slammed so hard in regionals he suffered a mild concussion and was not even awarded a point. Losing that one point cost him the match, besides the fact that he had to continue wrestling injured.

Things like this are a judgement call, and that makes it tough.

Section 30 Unnecessary Roughness:

Art. 1 involves physical acts that occurs during wrestling any act which exceeds normal aggressiveness.  It would include but it is not limited to : a forceful application of a crossface.  Penalty point 1 for the violation.

Section 31 Unsportsmanlike Conduct:

Art. 2 Contestants. involves physical or non-physical acts and they can occur before, during, or after a match. Deduct 1 team point.  

thompson is a baby and [glow=red,2,300]can[/glow] handle a crossface. who cant continue from a crossface. i hope he goes 2 and out at state. Davis will still win state. Grow up thompson

u mean can't

you mean can't

I don't know Thompson or Davis other than by name.

Thompson is the region CHAMPION, respect the decision like it or not, it won't change.

I don't know Thompson or Davis other than by name.

Thompson is the region CHAMPION, respect the decision like it or not, it won't change.

i was putting it no to the right  spelling he said he can take a cross face when he meant can't

no is in my bad spelling

thompson is a baby and can handle a crossface. who cant continue from a crossface. i hope he goes 2 and out at state. Davis will still win state. Grow up thompson

I agree with you!!

sometimes the opurtunity of beating a guy like davis on paper may affect your decision making process when it comes to hmmm should I get up and loose or should I just take the easy way out stay down and get the paper victory.  Not saying that is what happened but I have seen people do this and who knows.  I think what determines whos morals are in the right place is did the kid who couldnt get back up during that match wrestle after that?  Or was it the finals.  if he wrestled after that then it makes it seem questionable.  If it was the finals it makes it seem questionable.  There is no good answer here.  It is always a shame when the match cant be clearly decided by the wreslters.  I was not there I do not take sides I am just saying some kids see the oppurtunity and take it.  That being said I dont think this is something that Rob Fulk teaches whatso ever.  I still think 10 times out of ten davis dominates that match.  We will see at state.  Please dont be offended north when I say I have seen it happen I am talking about other schools.  I have nothing but respect for both school involved.  May the best man win at state. 

Come on people were talking about two young men here, two great high school wrestlers.  It's not constructive to wish ill will on any kid, we have all made mistakes and poor decisions.  As a fan of both these young men, I hope they meet in the finals and wrestle one of the best matches of the day. 

Blah is being nice - and accurate in the account.  He was ticked off like blah said and not only hit him once but twice and the last one at least was the one in a cast or brace or something (don't recall which arm he got with on the first one because no one was looking for that). 

Region 5 finals were done on two mats so there was only ONE ref on the mat.

He is lucky that he is still in the tournament.

Blah is being nice - and accurate in the account.  He was ticked off like blah said and not only hit him once but twice and the last one at least was the one in a cast or brace or something (don't recall which arm he got with on the first one because no one was looking for that). 

Region 5 finals were done on two mats so there was only ONE ref on the mat.

He is lucky that he is still in the tournament.

I honestly don't think that what he did warrants being kicked from state. I've been called for an illegal crossface before. I did it, the ref stopped the match and awarded my opponent a point, and then we finished the match. I've also been on the other end of an illegal crossface, and the same thing happened. Davis would not have even been DQ'd if Thomson had gotten up and finished the match. So, to say he's lucky to be in the tournament is a little over the top IMO.

Stand-up, I wondered the same thing about Thomson not getting up.  Sounds like there are different opinions of what happened as there should be due to how it was viewed.  I hope at the state tournament, the officials will take a close look at ""aggressive"" actions by the wrestlers and put a stop to it.  Intentionally trying to hurt or payback another wrestler on the mat, as I feel in this case, in my opinion deserves being disqualified..There is no room in this sport for those type of actions as the sport itself is and can be dangerous.  I have no hard feelings towards either wrestler.  I would feel the same if the situation was reversed or were any other wrestlers.  If it had been my son, he would have been done for the year..I personally don't tolerate the tactic. 

To have DQed Davis from State would have had a profound effect on his future.

Stand-up, I wondered the same thing about Thomson not getting up.  Sounds like there are different opinions of what happened as there should be due to how it was viewed.  I hope at the state tournament, the officials will take a close look at ""aggressive"" actions by the wrestlers and put a stop to it.  Intentionally trying to hurt or payback another wrestler on the mat, as I feel in this case, in my opinion deserves being disqualified..There is no room in this sport for those type of actions as the sport itself is and can be dangerous.  I have no hard feelings towards either wrestler.  I would feel the same if the situation was reversed or were any other wrestlers.  If it had been my son, he would have been done for the year..I personally don't tolerate the tactic. 

Can you honestly say that you wouldn't allow your senior son who is returning state champ and being looked at by many colleges to wrestle at state because he illegally crossfaced a kid?

    The rule is that Thomson should've been awarded penalty points. However, since Thomson was unable to continue, the rule is that Davis must be disqualified. If Thomson had continued the match, we would not even be talking about whether or not Davis should wrestle at state.

      Bottom line: Davis was DQ'd because he injured his opponent with an illegal move to a point where they could not continue the match. End of Story. That doesn't mean he deserves to be disqualified from competing at state.

Can you honestly say that you wouldn't allow your senior son who is returning state champ and being looked at by many colleges to wrestle at state because he illegally crossfaced a kid?

     The rule is that Thomson should've been awarded penalty points. However, since Thomson was unable to continue, the rule is that Davis must be disqualified. If Thomson had continued the match, we would not even be talking about whether or not Davis should wrestle at state.

      Bottom line: Davis was DQ'd because he injured his opponent with an illegal move to a point where they could not continue the match. End of Story. That doesn't mean he deserves to be disqualified from competing at state.

true thT AP111

ya i agree, i have no personal connections with Justinn davis but if he was not able to wrestle at state i would be upset. it could dramatically effect his future

I am very pleased Justin Davis is wrestling next week. To deprive the 140 wt class with the top ranked wrestler would rob not only Justin the opportunity to possibly repeat, but also rob his competitors from the opportunity to wrestle a champion and possibly fulfil their dreams. The true champion of 140 can now be determined rather than debated.

I am very pleased Justin Davis is wrestling next week. To deprive the 140 wt class with the top ranked wrestler would rob not only Justin the opportunity to possibly repeat, but also rob his competitors from the opportunity to wrestle a champion and possibly fulfil their dreams. The true champion of 140 can now be determined rather than debated.

Never mind that it was in actualality eithe rwrestlers fault.  I blame Cattan.

1.  Davis hits 2-3 hard crossfaces, 2 of which looked like he loaded up.

2. Thomson had Davis tapping the mat like he was goign to pass out

Cattan should have never let it go that far.  He had NO CONTROL over the match, and unfortunately, he got a good kid DQed.  Look at eh bracket at 140.... now davis hits shotwell early.

Never mind that it was in actualality eithe rwrestlers fault.  I blame Cattan.

1.  Davis hits 2-3 hard crossfaces, 2 of which looked like he loaded up.

2. Thomson had Davis tapping the mat like he was goign to pass out

Cattan should have never let it go that far.  He had NO CONTROL over the match, and unfortunately, he got a good kid DQed.  Look at eh bracket at 140.... now davis hits shotwell early.

Not all about blaming the ref, but at least your showing the fault of both wrestlers...like most incidents all parties involved were somewhat to blame.

A returning state champ has a bullseye on his chest everytime he steps on the mat.  He should have had to deal with all year.  Sounds easy to get in his head.  I foresee rough waters ahead!  :-o

I saw a few times where Davis could have (not saying SHOULD, but they were very questionable hits and whatnot) been called for unnecessary roughness. Thomson took a hook to his face, he seemed like he was a bit out of it after the match. Thomson's a tough kid I don't think he'd be the one to back out of a match like some people are suggesting.

Hopefully they will meet up in the finals at state. That wouldn't be a bad match  :-D

I honestly don't think that what he did warrants being kicked from state. I've been called for an illegal crossface before. I did it, the ref stopped the match and awarded my opponent a point, and then we finished the match. I've also been on the other end of an illegal crossface, and the same thing happened. Davis would not have even been DQ'd if Thomson had gotten up and finished the match. So, to say he's lucky to be in the tournament is a little over the top IMO.

I agree, thats taking it too far. Sure he got a bit rough but its wrestling.... Not badminton. They wouldn't take a kid's right to wrestle at state just because of an unnecessary roughness call.

I saw a few times where Davis could have (not saying SHOULD, but they were very questionable hits and whatnot) been called for unnecessary roughness. Thomson took a hook to his face, he seemed like he was a bit out of it after the match. Thomson's a tough kid I don't think he'd be the one to back out of a match like some people are suggesting.

Hopefully they will meet up in the finals at state. That wouldn't be a bad match  :-D

I doubt Davis would have been rough at all had it not been for Thomson's illegal headlock and trying to choke Davis. Something about having your air passages cut off will bring out the worst in a person even it the ref does award you a point. People seem to be giving Thomson a pass but I think he bears some of the responsibility for this match getting out of hand, instead of him being the victim. After watching a video of this match the illegal headlock seemed pretty blatant and Thomson went to a lot of effort to keep it until the ref called him on it so I don't think it was accidental. Both of these young men used poor judgement in this match. Thomson for trying to choke Davis and Davis for trying to retaliate.

I saw a few times where Davis could have (not saying SHOULD, but they were very questionable hits and whatnot) been called for unnecessary roughness. Thomson took a hook to his face, he seemed like he was a bit out of it after the match. Thomson's a tough kid I don't think he'd be the one to back out of a match like some people are suggesting.

Hopefully they will meet up in the finals at state. That wouldn't be a bad match  :-D

yea i have seen davis hit people while winning a match before

I've got no dog in this fight. But, I have to say I am very surprised at what people are saying about Davis. In another thread someone posted he was acting a bit smug on the medal stand. I find this totally out of character from the same kid who was stuck by Paulton last year in a match he was easily winning. After the pin was called he acted like real gentleman and was a model of good sportsmanship. Something that has not always been the norm at Eastern. As for the Thompson, he always seemed like a decent upstanding young man too.

I've got no dog in this fight. But, I have to say I am very surprised at what people are saying about Davis. In another thread someone posted he was acting a bit smug on the medal stand. I find this totally out of character from the same kid who was stuck by Paulton last year in a match he was easily winning. After the pin was called he acted like real gentleman and was a model of good sportsmanship. Something that has not always been the norm at Eastern. As for the Thompson, he always seemed like a decent upstanding young man too.

I think people are making comments who don't know either young man. I know J.D. well, and he is a fine person, always polite, a respected member of the team. I also was there and didn't see anything inappropriate on the podium. Finally, I've reviewed the video of the match. J.D. dominated the match. Thomson didn't have a single offensive point. Then you can clearly see the illegal choke hold Thomson used on Davis and Cattan just standing there while people yelled Thomson was choking him. Finally Cattan broke it up and awarded J.D. a point for the illegal hold. Then J.D.'s two crossfaces, which were no more aggressive than what he does during practice with his teammates. And Cattan awarded a point to Thomson for those but then noticed that Thomson didn't get up. Part of the problem is J.D. has a unique style. He's so quick, like a Tasmanian Devil, and he's incredibly strong.

I don't know why I'm writing this, though. None of it matters. We'll see the action soon enough, and J.D. knows he needs to be careful and reign himself in.

I think people are making comments who don't know either young man. I know J.D. well, and he is a fine person, always polite, a respected member of the team. I also was there and didn't see anything inappropriate on the podium. Finally, I've reviewed the video of the match. J.D. dominated the match. Thomson didn't have a single offensive point. Then you can clearly see the illegal choke hold Thomson used on Davis and Cattan just standing there while people yelled Thomson was choking him. Finally Cattan broke it up and awarded J.D. a point for the illegal hold. Then J.D.'s two crossfaces, which were no more aggressive than what he does during practice with his teammates. And Cattan awarded a point to Thomson for those but then noticed that Thomson didn't get up. Part of the problem is J.D. has a unique style. He's so quick, like a Tasmanian Devil, and he's incredibly strong.

I don't know why I'm writing this, though. None of it matters. We'll see the action soon enough, and J.D. knows he needs to be careful and reign himself in.

Since when is a reversal not an offensive point? 

I think people are making comments who don't know either young man. I know J.D. well, and he is a fine person, always polite, a respected member of the team. I also was there and didn't see anything inappropriate on the podium. Finally, I've reviewed the video of the match. J.D. dominated the match. Thomson didn't have a single offensive point. Then you can clearly see the illegal choke hold Thomson used on Davis and Cattan just standing there while people yelled Thomson was choking him. Finally Cattan broke it up and awarded J.D. a point for the illegal hold. Then J.D.'s two crossfaces, which were no more aggressive than what he does during practice with his teammates. And Cattan awarded a point to Thomson for those but then noticed that Thomson didn't get up. Part of the problem is J.D. has a unique style. He's so quick, like a Tasmanian Devil, and he's incredibly strong.

I don't know why I'm writing this, though. None of it matters. We'll see the action soon enough, and J.D. knows he needs to be careful and reign himself in.

I didn't know you had to know them to be able to comment. I missed that in the FAQs. My post was regarding other people's comments. I have high opinion of both. They are wrestlers, you know.

Since when is a reversal not an offensive point? 

Maybe MatMama missed a reversal but Davis was ahead by six points and dominated the match before it was stopped. But I think she was trying to make the point that both of the young men are probably very good men who shouldn't be judged by their actions in one match. Anyone who watched the match and hasn't seen these young men in other matches might draw an unfair conclusion about one or the other of them. Those that know Davis are outraged about the choking and those that know Thomson are outraged bu the unnecessary roughness. I hope they do get a rematch so this can be settled.

i have only seen davis wrestle and am very much a fan. im not outraged by the choke though, just the fact he had to lose his regionals match and cost us seeing possibly the best finals match of the year, under the lights.

In my opinion the choke was much worse than the cross-faces. If you can't handle what happens after you do something dirty, then don't do it.