Who would be the better team?

By far Union.

103 Jarvis Elam 12 5- 0  vs. 103 John Fahy 9 5- 0

112 Isaac Thomas 10 4- 3 vs  112 Myron Bradbury 11 5- 0

119 Aaron Carr 11 5- 2 vs. 119 Brent Hitchings 9 3- 3

125 Jake Wempe 12 6- 2 vs. 125 Sean Gillespie 12 5- 2

130 Caleb Ervin 9 4- 1 vs. 130 Bradon Birk 10 2- 2

135 Luke Ervin 11 4- 2  vs. 135 Matt Matheny 12 1- 2

140 Matt Young 11 2- 2  vs. ????????????????????????

145 Isaac Ervin 11 7- 1  vs. 145 Grant Ohlmann 11 4- 1

152 Joshua Willett 12 0- 2  vs. 152 Erin McCauley 11 3- 2

160 Mitch Ervin 12 5- 0  vs. 160 Cooper Bohn 11 3- 2

171 Jarrod Burke 12 5- 2 vs. 171 Brad Hitchings 11 5- 0

189 Diante Wright 12 4- 2 vs. 189 Josh Lewis 11 6- 1

215 Levi Griggs 11 2- 2  vs. 215 Brock Messina 10 3- 3

?????????????????????? vs. 285 Jordon Whiting 12 5- 1

103 Jarvis Elam 12 5- 0  vs. 103 John Fahy 9 5- 0

112 Isaac Thomas 10 4- 3 vs  112 Myron Bradbury 11 5- 0

119 Aaron Carr 11 5- 2 vs. 119 Brent Hitchings 9 3- 3

125 Jake Wempe 12 6- 2 vs. 125 Sean Gillespie 12 5- 2

130 Caleb Ervin 9 4- 1 vs. 130 Bradon Birk 10 2- 2

135 Luke Ervin 11 4- 2  vs. 135 Matt Matheny 12 1- 2

140 Matt Young 11 2- 2  vs. ????????????????????????

145 Isaac Ervin 11 7- 1  vs. 145 Grant Ohlmann 11 4- 1

152 Joshua Willett 12 0- 2  vs. 152 Erin McCauley 11 3- 2

160 Mitch Ervin 12 5- 0  vs. 160 Cooper Bohn 11 3- 2

171 Jarrod Burke 12 5- 2 vs. 171 Brad Hitchings 11 5- 0

189 Diante Wright 12 4- 2 vs. 189 Josh Lewis 11 6- 1

215 Levi Griggs 11 2- 2  vs. 215 Brock Messina 10 3- 3

?????????????????????? vs. 285 Jordon Whiting 12 5- 1

I did a quick run through in my head and I cam out with a 24-24 tie, but that was giving Union some close matches and Trinity some Pins. It could probably go either way. Pretty much sits on Elam versus Fahy

Trinity's 08 team beat Union's 08 team 34-33 for the state duals title.  IMO the 09 Trinity team is better than the 08 Trinity team so I would say Trinity would win.

Yes they did beat them but union didnt have diante wright at 189 and most likely he would have one which would of gave union the win.

Trinity was without Josh lewis who had beaten Diante  several times! Trinity with Josh  union with wright  Trinity wins and possibly could have made a run at state if Lewis hadnt gotten injured???

This is a fun topic to debate, but a tough one to compare.  What makes this tough to compare is the fact the teams are only a year apart.  What I mean by that is for example, and I know someone had mentioned Wright vs. Lewis, but you have to keep in mind that we are comparing Josh Lewis from this year vs. Diante Wright from last year.  I think Lewis wins.  Now if we were comparing Lewis from LAST year vs. Wright, the outcome would be much tougher to call.  Obviously some matchups would be easier to call the winners than others.  Union would win @ 119, 130, 135, 140 & 160 & Trinity would win @ 112, 171, 189 & HWT. If I had to compare, the dual would come down to which team would win the 103, 145, 152 & 215 matches.  With that being said, I would give the edge to Union.  Could Elam's strength overcome Fahy's technique?  Would Isaac Ervin from last year beat Grant Ohlmann from this year?  Also, even though Messina has placed the last 2 years at state, I still see the Messina vs. Griggs matchup as a toss-up.  Like I said, this is a tough one to compare. 

103 Jarvis Elam beating John Fahy (score 3-0 union)

112 Myron Bradbury major Isaac Thomas (3-4 trinity)

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings (9-4 union)

125 Jake Wempe tech Sean Gillespie (14-4 union)

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk (20-4 union)

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny (26-4 union)

140 ?

145 Isaac Ervin dec Grant Ohlmann (29-4 union)

152 Erin McCauley maj Joshua Willett (29-8 union)

160 Mitch Ervin tech Cooper Bohn (34-8 union)

171 Brad Hitchings idk the union kid but hitchings will win ?????

189 ?

215 ?

285 Jordon Whiting pin union (34-14)

if someone can fill in the ?'s then id say this is pretty much what would happen but it looks like union would dominate

103 Jarvis Elam beating John Fahy (score 3-0 union)

112 Myron Bradbury major Isaac Thomas (3-4 trinity)

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings (9-4 union)

125 Jake Wempe tech Sean Gillespie (14-4 union)

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk (20-4 union)

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny (26-4 union)

140 ?

145 Isaac Ervin dec Grant Ohlmann (29-4 union)

152 Erin McCauley maj Joshua Willett (29-8 union)

160 Mitch Ervin tech Cooper Bohn (34-8 union)

171 Brad Hitchings idk the union kid but hitchings will win ?????

189 ?

215 ?

285 Jordon Whiting pin union (34-14)

if someone can fill in the ?'s then id say this is pretty much what would happen but it looks like union would dominate

This is way waaay off.

What would your perdictions be then?

103 John Fahy major decision Jarvis Elam                (4-0)          Trinity

112 Myron Bradbury pin Issac Thomas                    (10-0)        Trinity

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings                        (10-6)        Trinity

125 Jake Wempe major Sean Gillespie                    (10-10)

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk                              (10-16)        Union

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny                          (10-22)        Union

140 Matt Young dec ???                                      (10-25)        Union

145 Grant Ohlmann dec Issac Ervin                        (13-25)        Union

152 Erin McCauley tech Joshua Willet                      (18-25)        Union

160 Mitch Ervin pin Cooper Bohn                            (18-31)        Union

171 Brad Hitchings pin Jarrod Burke                          (24-31)      Union

189 Josh Lewis tech Diante Wright                          (29-31)      Union

215 Brock Messina major Levi Griggs                        (33-31)      Trinity

285 Jordan Whiting pin ???                                      (39-31)      Trinity

Just my personal opinion. Lot of major mismatches, so there would be lots of pins. This is all assuming that kids wrestled their regular weight classes, with no bumping around to get a score advantage. Trinity starts off strong with the first two, then Union owns the middle weights, but Trinity makes the comeback with 171-285. The hinges are basically on the 189 and 215 matches.

There is no way Fahy would major dec Elam or Lewis would tech wright. No way!!

If Elam beat bradburry 3 times there is no way he would get majored dec by fahy.

If Elam beat bradburry 3 times there is no way he would get majored dec by fahy.

I know you hate Trinity, but thats just how I think it is!  :wink:

I thnk the Carr - Hitchings match would be a lot closer.  Remember your talking about Hitchings from this year vs. Carr from last year.  I think Carr got 4th last year vs Hitchings who got 8th. 

125 I think would be closer as well.  Wempe got 4th last year vs. Gillespie who got 7th this year.

Overall it would be an interesting match up.

If Elam beat bradburry 3 times there is no way he would get majored dec by fahy.

Bradburry also has a win over Elam and Dan Smith pinned him his senior year. I would say a tech or even a pin would not be a stretch.

This dual kinda looks like how it played out at state this year. Trinity owning the lower weights, Union dominating the middle but not having the horses to stay with them in the upper weights.

I also think it would depend on weight they started and who has the momentum in the swing matches.

Trinity is also deeper in most weights allowing them to bump wrestlers and create their momentum.

Diante wouldnt get teched by Lewis.

Bradburry also has a win over Elam and Dan Smith pinned him his senior year. I would say a tech or even a pin would not be a stretch.

This dual kinda looks like how it played out at state this year. Trinity owning the lower weights, Union dominating the middle but not having the horses to stay with them in the upper weights.

I also think it would depend on weight they started and who has the momentum in the swing matches.

Trinity is also deeper in most weights allowing them to bump wrestlers and create their momentum.

Elams strength would give fahy trouble..

Bradburry also has a win over Elam and Dan Smith pinned him his senior year. I would say a tech or even a pin would not be a stretch.

This dual kinda looks like how it played out at state this year. Trinity owning the lower weights, Union dominating the middle but not having the horses to stay with them in the upper weights.

I also think it would depend on weight they started and who has the momentum in the swing matches.

Trinity is also deeper in most weights allowing them to bump wrestlers and create their momentum.

When did Bradbury beat Elam? And even if he did, Elam still beat him 3 times, including at state duals and state, where it mattered.  And when did Smith pin Elam (who would have been wrestling up a weight class)? 103 was a much stronger weight class last year when Elam won (by pin in the finals). And to be perfectly honest, i thought 103 was fairly weak this year (one stand out does not make a strong weight class, depth and good competition do).  So it is difficult to compare Fahy and Elam, although I think it would still be close.  But I would say that a tech or pin would be a gigantic stretch.  I would give the victory to Jarvis Elam, because if it came down to it, he would want it more. 

103-Elam dec. Fahy 6-3          3-0 Union

112-Myron Bradbury pin Issac Thomas                  3-6 Trinity   

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings                        9-6 Union

125 Jake Wempe major Sean Gillespie 14-4              13-6 Union 

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk                              19-6 Union

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny                          25-6 Union

140 Matt Young dec. Trinity                                  28-6 Union

145 Grant Ohlmann dec Issac Ervin 4-3                    28-9 Union

152 Erin McCauley maj. dec Joshua Willet 13-5          28-13 Union

160 Mitch Ervin pin Cooper Bohn                            34-13 Union

171 Brad Hitchings pin Jarrod Burke                          34-19 Union

189 Josh Lewis maj. dec. Diante Wright 10-1            34-23 Union

215 Brock Messina major Levi Griggs  13-2                34-27 Union

285 Jordan Whiting pin Union                                  34-33 Union

Union takes a nice lead and then Trinity gradually catches up but never takes the lead.  Union wins. 

Elams strength would give fahy trouble..

Fahy teched or pinned every opponent at state in 09.  No one scored points against him except Paden with 3 escape points.  Elam beat Paden in 08 by only a decision (10-5).  I see Fahy at least majoring Elam if not a tech or pin.

I agree with ukpride that Lewis would not Tech Wright.

When did Bradbury beat Elam? And even if he did, Elam still beat him 3 times, including at state duals and state, where it mattered.  And when did Smith pin Elam (who would have been wrestling up a weight class)? 103 was a much stronger weight class last year when Elam won (by pin in the finals). And to be perfectly honest, i thought 103 was fairly weak this year (one stand out does not make a strong weight class, depth and good competition do).  So it is difficult to compare Fahy and Elam, although I think it would still be close.  But I would say that a tech or pin would be a gigantic stretch.  I would give the victory to Jarvis Elam, because if it came down to it, he would want it more. 

103-Elam dec. Fahy 6-3           3-0 Union

112-Myron Bradbury pin Issac Thomas                   3-6 Trinity   

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings                         9-6 Union

125 Jake Wempe major Sean Gillespie 14-4              13-6 Union   

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk                              19-6 Union

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny                           25-6 Union

140 Matt Young dec. Trinity                                  28-6 Union

145 Grant Ohlmann dec Issac Ervin 4-3                    28-9 Union

152 Erin McCauley maj. dec Joshua Willet 13-5          28-13 Union

160 Mitch Ervin pin Cooper Bohn                             34-13 Union

171 Brad Hitchings pin Jarrod Burke                          34-19 Union

189 Josh Lewis maj. dec. Diante Wright 10-1             34-23 Union

215 Brock Messina major Levi Griggs  13-2                 34-27 Union

285 Jordan Whiting pin Union                                   34-33 Union

Union takes a nice lead and then Trinity gradually catches up but never takes the lead.  Union wins. 

You lose all credibility by saying Elam would stay close to Fahy, let alone beat him.  He could want it all he wants but I don't see him having anywhere near the drive that Fahy has.  They both wrestled Paden except Paden would have been a full year more improved yet Fahy beat him 14-3 and Elam beat him 10-5.  103 may not have been as strong but comparing common opponents head to head, Fahy comes out on top.

Smith and Elam would met at Raider Rumble when Elam was at 19.  And he pinned him.  Here is a excerpt from the results (http://www.ohiowrestler.com/Results-07/OW_07_RyleRaiderRumble_Results.pdf):

First Place

103: Sean Vandyke(Grundy) over Dakota Vance(Grundy forfeit

112: Dan Smith(Trinity) pin Jarvis Elam(Union Co.) 5:36

I would give the victory to Jarvis Elam, because if it came down to it, he would want it more. 

Why would Elam want it more?? 

I agree with 385.  Elam only beat Paden 10-5 in the KY state tournament last year.  Fahy beat Paden worse than that in the MS state finals last year.  I think it was close to a tech.  Fast forward fahy one year against Elam from last year and it's not even close.  Fahy didn't even get taken down this entire year at 103 and is in several national rankings.  I don

Why would Elam want it more?? 

I agree with 385.  Elam only beat Paden 10-5 in the KY state tournament last year.  Fahy beat Paden worse than that in the MS state finals last year.  I think it was close to a tech.  Fast forward fahy one year against Elam from last year and it's not even close.  Fahy didn't even get taken down this entire year at 103 and is in several national rankings.  I don

When did Bradbury beat Elam? And even if he did, Elam still beat him 3 times, including at state duals and state, where it mattered.  And when did Smith pin Elam (who would have been wrestling up a weight class)? 103 was a much stronger weight class last year when Elam won (by pin in the finals). And to be perfectly honest, i thought 103 was fairly weak this year (one stand out does not make a strong weight class, depth and good competition do).  So it is difficult to compare Fahy and Elam, although I think it would still be close.  But I would say that a tech or pin would be a gigantic stretch.  I would give the victory to Jarvis Elam, because if it came down to it, he would want it more. 

103-Elam dec. Fahy 6-3           3-0 Union

112-Myron Bradbury pin Issac Thomas                   3-6 Trinity   

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings                         9-6 Union

125 Jake Wempe major Sean Gillespie 14-4              13-6 Union   

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk                              19-6 Union

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny                           25-6 Union

140 Matt Young dec. Trinity                                  28-6 Union

145 Grant Ohlmann dec Issac Ervin 4-3                    28-9 Union

152 Erin McCauley maj. dec Joshua Willet 13-5          28-13 Union

160 Mitch Ervin pin Cooper Bohn                             34-13 Union

171 Brad Hitchings pin Jarrod Burke                          34-19 Union

189 Josh Lewis maj. dec. Diante Wright 10-1             34-23 Union

215 Brock Messina major Levi Griggs  13-2                 34-27 Union

285 Jordan Whiting pin Union                                   34-33 Union

Union takes a nice lead and then Trinity gradually catches up but never takes the lead.  Union wins. 

No way ohlmann beats issac..and lews doesnt major diante

Yall must forgot that fahy went to a few union practices. Him and elam practiced together. But elam had way to much strength and he is also fast as lightning. But fahy had better technique. It would be close but there is no way that there would be any major dec in that match. I seen them wrestle with my own eyes. Only a few people saw them wrestle and i was one of them. So i have a pretty good idea.

Yall must forgot that fahy went to a few union practices. Him and elam practiced together. But elam had way to much strength and he is also fast as lightning. But fahy had better technique. It would be close but there is no way that there would be any major dec in that match. I seen them wrestle with my own eyes. Only a few people saw them wrestle and i was one of them. So i have a pretty good idea.

Sorry to burst your bubble chapper but the only Union practices John went to were before he started 8th grade which was over a year and half ago.  At the time Jarvis was weighing about 120-125 (pre football season) and John weighed about 95.  Even then it was competative.  It might be a little different now.  :-)  But I'm not going to get into the debate.  It would be a fun match though.

Both were great teams and with several outstanding individual wrestlers.

btw ... that is when he learned all of the Union Co. secrets and brought them over to Trinity  :-o (Thanks Robert!)

I have to disagree with those who think wright  vs lewis is close?  Lewis pinned or majored wright last year and was beating him 10-0 ? and made mistake Yes got pinned but those two at their best and Lewis takes it hands down! And as far as Griggs vs Messina not even close last 2 times they met as Messina  Owned Griggs!!!  I agree this duel would be a tossup ,but as far as 08-09 Trinity won with Fahy,Bradbury,Brad Hitchings,Messina and Whiting all not wrestling !

I thnk the Carr - Hitchings match would be a lot closer.  Remember your talking about Hitchings from this year vs. Carr from last year.  I think Carr got 4th last year vs Hitchings who got 8th. 

125 I think would be closer as well.  Wempe got 4th last year vs. Gillespie who got 7th this year.

Overall it would be an interesting match up.

i agree with these placing results, they are accurate. but you first must take into account that 125, while being very deep this year, was much deeper last year, so a 7th finish and a 4th finish is much father apart than they appear. also, i wrestled jake wempe last year, and he pinned me in the second period. i wrestled sean gilespie this year, and beat him by a major decision, or close to it. so i dont see that match being close at all.

also, brent hitchings from trinity wrestled our 119 this year and got beat by him. he was getting worked on the mat, and seeing as carr is a fairly good mat wrestler, i dont see that one being too close either. although carr may not have been a good mat wrestler last year.

either way i give the wins to aaron carr and and jake wempe very easily.

i agree with these placing results, they are accurate. but you first must take into account that 125, while being very deep this year, was much deeper last year, so a 7th finish and a 4th finish is much father apart than they appear. also, i wrestled jake wempe last year, and he pinned me in the second period. i wrestled sean gilespie this year, and beat him by a major decision, or close to it. so i dont see that match being close at all.

also, brent hitchings from trinity wrestled our 119 this year and got beat by him. he was getting worked on the mat, and seeing as carr is a fairly good mat wrestler, i dont see that one being too close either. although carr may not have been a good mat wrestler last year.

either way i give the wins to aaron carr and and jake wempe very easily.

agreed. good assessment.

Hmm i wonder how each of these teams would match up against the 2004 campbell county team. Undefeated state champs. Not sure of the record, does anyone have there line-up?

Hmm i wonder how each of these teams would match up against the 2004 campbell county team. Undefeated state champs. Not sure of the record, does anyone have there line-up?

103 Kyle Griffith (8) 2-2

112 Dan Hurrelbrink (12) 2-2

119 Jake Hagedorn (11) 2-2

125 Ben Hines (12) 4-1 2nd

130 Cory Bankemper (12) 7-1 3rd

135 Bo Hines (12) 5-0 1st

140 Brian Wilson (10) 1-2

145 Aaron Hickey (12) 5-2 5th

152 Mike Nolan (11) 5-0 1st

160 Adam Moeves (12) 4-1 2nd

171 Jim Houze (12) 7-1 3rd

189 Kevin Orth (11) 3-3 6th

215 Travis Friedly (11) 3-2

275 Andy Hagedorn (12) 5-1 3rd

Man this team was stackedd!!!

i wrestled sean gilespie this year, and beat him by a major decision, or close to it. so i dont see that match being close at all.

You beat him 13-9.

thats not to close to a major :-D

103 Kyle Griffith (8) 2-2

112 Dan Hurrelbrink (12) 2-2

119 Jake Hagedorn (11) 2-2

125 Ben Hines (12) 4-1 2nd

130 Cory Bankemper (12) 7-1 3rd

135 Bo Hines (12) 5-0 1st

140 Brian Wilson (10) 1-2

145 Aaron Hickey (12) 5-2 5th

152 Mike Nolan (11) 5-0 1st

160 Adam Moeves (12) 4-1 2nd

171 Jim Houze (12) 7-1 3rd

189 Kevin Orth (11) 3-3 6th

215 Travis Friedly (11) 3-2

275 Andy Hagedorn (12) 5-1 3rd

Man this team was stackedd!!!

You want to see a stacked team, go back another year to South Oldhams team.  All but one guy placed!

You want to see a stacked team, go back another year to South Oldhams team.  All but one guy placed!

103 Ben Denny 12 5- 1 3rd

112 Derek Scott 9 4- 2 4th

119 Chris Skaggs 12 6- 2 4th

125 Alan Oliver 12 4- 1 2nd

130 Billy Whitehouse 12 4- 1 2nd

135 Will VanNostrand 12 3- 3 6th

145 Steve Lovewell 12 5- 0 1st

152 Jamie Cantrell 12 4- 2 7th

160 Nick Fiser 12 5- 0 1st

171 Greg Minwell 12 5- 2 4th

189 Patrick Sims 12 5- 2 7th

215 Taylor Scherer 9 3- 3 6th

275 Nathan Pulliam 11 5- 2 4th

Here are the South Oldham results from 2003.  The next closest team to them was 75 or so points away.  Only guy who didn't place was their 140 (I feel real bad for that guy).  I think what was the icing on the cake for Coach Fiser was the fact his son won the 160 that year.  13 out of 14 of your wrestlers place and your son wins his weight class.  That has to be about the best feeling you can have as a coach.

What stands out most about that So Oldham team was there were no real superstars (were any of them multiple state winners??), they were just a ridiculously hard working group of kids that all pushed each other to be great. Thats the definition of team work.

What stands out most about that So Oldham team was there were no real superstars (were any of them multiple state winners??), they were just a ridiculously hard working group of kids that all pushed each other to be great. Thats the definition of team work.

some of them were multiple state champs after that year scott was a 2x and scherer was a 3x

some of them were multiple state champs after that year scott was a 2x and scherer was a 3x

I guess I meant were any state champs prior to winning it in 03. So the answer is no?

103 John Fahy major decision Jarvis Elam                (4-0)          Trinity

112 Myron Bradbury pin Issac Thomas                    (10-0)         Trinity

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings                         (10-6)         Trinity

125 Jake Wempe major Sean Gillespie                     (10-10)

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk                              (10-16)        Union

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny                           (10-22)         Union

140 Matt Young dec ???                                       (10-25)        Union

145 Grant Ohlmann dec Issac Ervin                         (13-25)        Union

152 Erin McCauley tech Joshua Willet                      (18-25)        Union

160 Mitch Ervin pin Cooper Bohn                             (18-31)        Union

171 Brad Hitchings pin Jarrod Burke                          (24-31)       Union

189 Josh Lewis tech Diante Wright                           (29-31)       Union

215 Brock Messina major Levi Griggs                         (33-31)       Trinity

285 Jordan Whiting pin ???                                      (39-31)       Trinity

Just my personal opinion. Lot of major mismatches, so there would be lots of pins. This is all assuming that kids wrestled their regular weight classes, with no bumping around to get a score advantage. Trinity starts off strong with the first two, then Union owns the middle weights, but Trinity makes the comeback with 171-285. The hinges are basically on the 189 and 215 matches.

there is no way fahy would have a chance at majoring jarvis. i think that the match could be really close but most likely that jarvis would win by 4 or 5. and IMO ohlman would not have a chance to beat ervin.

Yes i agree. I mean jarvis beat bradbury and there is no way that fahy is that much better than bradbury. Thats "IF" he is better.

Yes i agree. I mean jarvis beat bradbury and there is no way that fahy is that much better than bradbury. Thats "IF" he is better.

The best measure would be if elam and fahy had wrestled the same wrestler.  Paden is that same wrestler.  elam beat paden 10-5 at the state tournament in 2008.  Fahy beat Paden 14-3 one year later at the state tournament.  Fahy wins, no question.

Fahy from this year is better then bradbury of last year definately

i believe fayh and elam wrestled in practices and that elam would control their live matches. i could be wrong but its been said many times

i believe fayh and elam wrestled in practices and that elam would control their live matches. i could be wrong but its been said many times

Fayhe is the best wrestler in the state. He wins this match. Not even close. No need for discussion. If you've seen both of them wrestle, you'll realize why I say this.

okay so when it comes to fayh vs. elam we can all agree to take sides and agree to disagree with the others.

now on to ohlman beating ervin. i just cant see that happening ever. 10 out of 10 times isaac wins. i say he could even major him. not that he would but he would have a chance.

okay so when it comes to fayh vs. elam we can all agree to take sides and agree to disagree with the others.

now on to ohlman beating ervin. i just cant see that happening ever. 10 out of 10 times isaac wins. i say he could even major him. not that he would but he would have a chance.

now on to ohlman beating ervin. i just cant see that happening ever. 10 out of 10 times isaac wins. i say he could even major him. not that he would but he would have a chance.

idk about ohlman and isaac actually. ohlman is really strong, i think the strength would advantage would affect the match. it would be close, but no def answer, cause if isaac slips up, i dont think he would be able to make it off his back.

last year union had 10 placers

this year trinity had 9 placers

Trinity                                                          Union

103 John Fahy        9      5- 0 1st              103 Jarvis Elam        12 5- 0 1st

112 Myron Bradbury 11 5- 0 1st              112 Isaac Thomas 10 4- 3   8th

119 Brent Hitchings 9 3- 3 8th              119 Aaron Carr        11 5- 2 4th

125 Sean Gillespie 12 5- 2 7th              125 Jake Wempe 12 6- 2 4th

145 Grant Ohlmann 11 4- 1 2nd              130        Caleb Ervin   9 4- 1 2nd

171 Brad Hitchings 11 5- 0 1st              135 Luke Ervin        11 4- 2 7th

189 Josh Lewis        11 6- 1 3rd              145 Isaac Ervin        11 7- 1 3rd

215 Brock Messina 10 3- 3 6th              160 Mitch Ervin        12 5- 0 1st

285 Jordon Whiting 12 5- 1 3rd              171 Jarrod Burke 12 5- 2 7th

                                                                 189 Diante Wright 12 4- 2 5th

I would say Fahy over Elem 5-2 ive seen both of them wrestle and Fahy has way better technique

Wempe would tech Gillespie he placed 4th at by far the hardest weight class 125 last year, Gillespie got 8th at an ok weight class this year

Carr would have pinned baby Hitchings he had like 50 pins last year

id say Isaac over Grant but it would have been really close 1 or 2 points if not overtime

in a dual Trinity would win in a tournament Union would take it

You want to see a stacked team, go back another year to South Oldhams team.  All but one guy placed!

I was actually thinking about that, but I figured somebody else would say something so I wouldn't need to.

You beat him 13-9.

sorry for the wrong info, i felt like the score was a much farther spread than that. i had him on his back a few times, so i thought i would have been farther ahead, must have given up more back points than i thought. either way, dont see him being competitive with wempe of last year.

Fahy is one of the best freshman wrestlers to ever come out of Kentucky.  Frankly, he is a very high national caliber wrestler right now.  I hope he wrestles in freshman/sophomore nationals - that would tell us a lot.  If he continues to gain strength and toughness, along with refining his technique, he could very well be mentioned as one of the best to ever wrestle in the state.  The only freshman I have seen in Kentucky who compared with his technique was Ruschell, who was a very small 103 as a freshman (and sophomore for that matter).  I believe Fahy wins this match.

and for union also levi giggs placed also

levi griggs did not place

yes he did i promise

my fault i though he did i was looking at there regions

Trinity beat Union in '08 and this years trinity team is much better so Im going with Trinity hands down.

Trinity beat Union in '08 and this years trinity team is much better so Im going with Trinity hands down.

Made the same point much earlier in the thread...I agree.

Made the same point much earlier in the thread...I agree.

but he made the point later in the thread and typed it much louder than you...so he wins  :-D

Trinity beat Union in '08 and this years trinity team is much better so Im going with Trinity hands down.

yes i agree that trinity may have a better team this year than last year. but just because they beat union last year doesnt mean they could this year. you have to look at match ups. thats what makes a difference. thats why when you break it down match by match i cant see trinity winning. even if you have fayh beating jarvis.

this is me breaking down the reasons why i think trinity is better this year and why those reasons wont make a difference in this dual match do to match ups.

the reasons that trinity is better this year than last year.

Fayh at 103-this match could go either way making the effect of the match the same has bradbury at 103 last year.

bradbury at 112-bradbury wins hands down giving an edge for trinity.

brent hitching at 119-he would get handled by carr so this effects them in no way in this dual

ohlman at 145-again ervin would handle ohlman therefor this effects trinity in no way in this dual

Gillespie at 125-again no chance to win in this dual

I think alot of it has to do with momentum, which leads me to my point, it depends on what weight they start at. If Jarvis could get the momentum going I believe Thomas would have a close match with Bradbury. Correct me if I'm wrong but, didn't Thomas have a close match with Bradbury last year? I remember Elam was out or wrestling at 112 but I was sure Thomas had a close one with Bradbury. If so these comments of Bradbury majoring or teching him would be out of the question, I mean look at Thomas this year runner-up at 140.

Yes i think bradbury only beat him by like 3 or 4. It was somewhere around there. I know it wasn't a major though.

I think alot of it has to do with momentum, which leads me to my point, it depends on what weight they start at. If Jarvis could get the momentum going I believe Thomas would have a close match with Bradbury. Correct me if I'm wrong but, didn't Thomas have a close match with Bradbury last year? I remember Elam was out or wrestling at 112 but I was sure Thomas had a close one with Bradbury. If so these comments of Bradbury majoring or teching him would be out of the question, I mean look at Thomas this year runner-up at 140.

yea but i think thomas is one of the luckiest men to make it to the finals. not sure of who all he lost to this year but i know for sure guiler beat him twice and stuck him at least one of the times

yea but i think thomas is one of the luckiest men to make it to the finals. not sure of who all he lost to this year but i know for sure guiler beat him twice and stuck him at least one of the times

Yes i think bradbury only beat him by like 3 or 4. It was somewhere around there. I know it wasn't a major though.

They weren't even the same weight class.  Union and Trinity only saw each other 4 times last year; at Ryle Rumble (myron didn't wrestle); at Harrison in Evansville 9-way; at State Duals in Championship match and the Individual State Tournament.  Where did they wrestle each other in competition ?  :?

he also lost to shaquille cox in the regular season. at state though he was wrestling better than he did in the regular season he beat alot of good guys

Thomas has his moments and he knows when to turn it up..

Keaton Thomas wrestled Bradbury this year losing by 3 or so. Someone correct me.

They weren't even the same weight class.  Union and Trinity only saw each other 4 times last year; at Ryle Rumble (myron didn't wrestle); at Harrison in Evansville 9-way; at State Duals in Championship match and the Individual State Tournament.  Where did they wrestle each other in competition ?  :?

What about at the Hardin Duals?

bradbury won 7-2 over keaton thomas

What about at the Hardin Duals?

Trinity didn't wrestle Union there.  they wrestled CH, JH and at least one other school but don't remember who.

Trinity didn't wrestle Union there.  they wrestled CH, JH and at least one other school but don't remember who.

If I remember correctly, Trinity wrestled Union's J.V. team, which Isaac was on. That is when they wrestled, and I believe it was a 2 or 3 point match. That was at 112 though.

Actually Isaac Thomas was Jarvis' backup at 103 until Jarvis made it back down. After that Thomas had no choice but to bump, just like their 119 had to do last year when he was at 140 and just like he had to do again this year to fit into the lineup.

Actually Isaac Thomas was Jarvis' backup at 103 until Jarvis made it back down. After that Thomas had no choice but to bump, just like their 119 had to do last year when he was at 140 and just like he had to do again this year to fit into the lineup.

I am pretty sure that Neal Reburn was 103 until Jarvis made the drop down. When Jarvis was at 112, that put Isaac to J.V. I could be mistaken but I remember Myron wrestling Isaac last year, I just can't remember why Myron was at 112 for that match.

Yeah Isaac had to cut to get to 112 last year. Neal was 103 until the Mater Dei Classic. But you have to give union some props for being as good as they are with a school size of maybe 700 in a small rural area. Its real hard for coach walls and coach ervin to even fill up a full team so they just have to do what they can with who they have. Looking at trinity, its easy to fill a squad and also being an all guys school helps a little bit. If i remember correctly the bradbury's used to wrestle at central hardin or somewhere in etown until myron went up to trinity. Im guessing there are a lot of people that moved or transferred there to be on a really good program

Yeah Isaac had to cut to get to 112 last year. Neal was 103 until the Mater Dei Classic. But you have to give union some props for being as good as they are with a school size of maybe 700 in a small rural area. Its real hard for coach walls and coach ervin to even fill up a full team so they just have to do what they can with who they have. Looking at trinity, its easy to fill a squad and also being an all guys school helps a little bit. If i remember correctly the bradbury's used to wrestle at central hardin or somewhere in etown until myron went up to trinity. Im guessing there are a lot of people that moved or transferred there to be on a really good program

Yeah Isaac had to cut to get to 112 last year. Neal was 103 until the Mater Dei Classic. But you have to give union some props for being as good as they are with a school size of maybe 700 in a small rural area. Its real hard for coach walls and coach ervin to even fill up a full team so they just have to do what they can with who they have. Looking at trinity, its easy to fill a squad and also being an all guys school helps a little bit. If i remember correctly the bradbury's used to wrestle at central hardin or somewhere in etown until myron went up to trinity. Im guessing there are a lot of people that moved or transferred there to be on a really good program

hard to find wrestlers i think not i mean come on you have a fresh litter of ervins to pick from every year

he also lost to shaquille cox in the regular season. at state though he was wrestling better than he did in the regular season he beat alot of good guys

they only person he wrestled that i would say was good was akeen bennet and even he wasnt real good.

they only person he wrestled that i would say was good was akeen bennet and even he wasnt real good.

Wow, you can talk. Until you get out there and make it to the finals man the you can talk about who is good and who isn't. Sounds like your too busy drinking that hatorade. Isaac had been wrestling a weight class up because he couldn't make the lineup otherwise. Let's see I bet you wrestled at the weight you wanted to and still didn't even do that well. I'd say Thomas was probably giving up at least 10 pounds to most of his opponents. That's besides the fact, he beat Dan Thompson whom beat Tyler Grimm. He virtually beat the number 2 and 4 ranked guys in the state and wans't even predicted to place. I give this man mad props.

Wow, you can talk. Until you get out there and make it to the finals man the you can talk about who is good and who isn't. Sounds like your too busy drinking that hatorade. Isaac had been wrestling a weight class up because he couldn't make the lineup otherwise. Let's see I bet you wrestled at the weight you wanted to and still didn't even do that well. I'd say Thomas was probably giving up at least 10 pounds to most of his opponents. That's besides the fact, he beat Dan Thompson whom beat Tyler Grimm. He virtually beat the number 2 and 4 ranked guys in the state and wans't even predicted to place. I give this man mad props.

not tryin to "hate" i was just saying that he would probably would get teched in this situation of him wrestling bradbury.

we dont have to argue and get personal . and i didnt know he wrestled thompson therefore i would say he wrestled and beat two pretty tough guys. but still when him and bradbury at the same weight bradbury would smash him

not tryin to "hate" i was just saying that he would probably would get teched in this situation of him wrestling bradbury.

we dont have to argue and get personal . and i didnt know he wrestled thompson therefore i would say he wrestled and beat two pretty tough guys. but still when him and bradbury at the same weight bradbury would smash him

I know you hate Trinity, but thats just how I think it is!  :wink:

that was actually jarvis the whole time not me lol

that was actually jarvis the whole time not me lol

Haha. Going back and reading this thread it makes a lot more since now lol.

what about fern creeks 07 team?

i think they would beat all of them