who do you think would win?

when they were both at 103 i would say fahy

i say ellitot because he ran though state also execpt in the finals

yea but u jus said he dident run thru state fahy did cuz hes a beast

idk man i think the height advanage would also come into play an idk great match though

both at 103 i dont think elliote would be able to handle faye

it would not be a rapeing though

i think faye would win by 4 or 5

idk man elliot was a beast at 103 it would be awesome

Martin.

Elliot Martin

what? i don't understand, people say that faye would run through anybody, now people are saying that a kid that wasn't even the best would beat faye. 

This is an idiotic thread to begin with. Everyone already plastered this subject with Fahy v Zarth - Martin lost to Zarth and everyone was saying Fahy would beat Zarth. Stupid thread.

i hate when people say the zarth beat elliot and john beat zarth that make elliot lose not a real good point if u ask me cause people wrestle different against different people if u see where im going with this youll get my point

i no john didnt beat zarth

bobby i have no clue what you just said.

but i think martin would prolly get beat pretty bad to be honest, fahy is not just long but from what i hear he is also the strongesst at 103

bobby i have no clue what you just said.

but i think martin would prolly get beat pretty bad to be honest, fahy is not just long but from what i hear he is also the strongesst at 103

bobby i have no clue what you just said.

but i think martin would prolly get beat pretty bad to be honest, fahy is not just long but from what i hear he is also the strongesst at 103

thats true i have heard from a realiable person he can throw up like 205 on bench

i hate when people say the zarth beat elliot and john beat zarth that make elliot lose not a real good point if u ask me cause people wrestle different against different people if u see where im going with this youll get my point

i no john didnt beat zarth

Chop, please stop typing under the influence. ever heard of  a alcoholics anonymous meeting? i'm worried about you man. haha :-D

This is an idiotic thread to begin with. Everyone already plastered this subject with Fahy v Zarth - Martin lost to Zarth and everyone was saying Fahy would beat Zarth. Stupid thread.

wait im 100 percent sure that more people said zarth over fahy, beside yourself.

i have noticed a pattern in your post and you seem to be rather biased whenever fahy is talked about.

and why do you have to add a negative comment to this topic anyway?

as you stated there have been many posts like this in the past so its rather obvious that this is something that people like to talk about on this board and if you dont like it then take your business to a different discussion

wait im 100 percent sure that more people said zarth over fahy, beside yourself.

i have noticed a pattern in your post and you seem to be rather biased whenever fahy is talked about.

and why do you have to add a negative comment to this topic anyway?

as you stated there have been many posts like this in the past so its rather obvious that this is something that people like to talk about on this board and if you dont like it then take your business to a different discussion

very good point, the topic is blatantly titled elliot martin or john fahy. if you dont like these topics, then it is very easy to stay away from them. but i never watched elliot wrestle at 103, so idk how good he was then.

very good point, the topic is blatantly titled elliot martin or john fahy. if you dont like these topics, then it is very easy to stay away from them. but i never watched elliot wrestle at 103, so idk how good he was then.

He was good, beat Elam Shawn Jonhson and Bradbury all that year. I have to say I don't really like these topics. It will never happen and people basically bash their heads to get a point across that.... doesn't matter? Yes you can look at my previous posts and see I don't praise Fahy but I do respect him as a great wrestler I think the last person to tech through the state tourney was like Ruschell back in 2005. We have to admit Fahy, Elam, and Martin are all great wrestlers, instead of arguing over which person would beat who we should focus more on match ups likely to happen. A match up I would like to see is Osbourne vs. Fahy.

wait im 100 percent sure that more people said zarth over fahy, beside yourself.

i have noticed a pattern in your post and you seem to be rather biased whenever fahy is talked about.

and why do you have to add a negative comment to this topic anyway?

as you stated there have been many posts like this in the past so its rather obvious that this is something that people like to talk about on this board and if you dont like it then take your business to a different discussion

1. I am never biased. Never. I give credit where credit is due, and I share my honest opinion on any subject in which I feel obligated to do such.

2. More people probably did say Zarth over Fahy, but i'm too lazy to go look for it. But wait and see, in 3 years everyone will forget all about Zarth, and Fahy will be the best wrestler in the world. I do not mean this literally, but I am trying to incinuate what will happen. The problem with this site is, you all forget about everyone way too fast. Aside from Joe Carr Jr. and the occasional Livingston Merritt post by the random old timer on here, nobody says anything about recent alum or accomplished wrestlers in the past.

3. Its so stupid and annoying every single thread about who could John Fahy beat. He hasn't been beaten in Kentucky, and he won't. You can say all day long that anyone can be beaten on any day, but its just not going to happen. Unless maybe by some chance he meets Cooper, or Bumps up to 135 or 140 next year and wrestles Caleb Ervin.

very good point, the topic is blatantly titled elliot martin or john fahy. if you dont like these topics, then it is very easy to stay away from them. but i never watched elliot wrestle at 103, so idk how good he was then.

1. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean that I am going to choose to be ignorant about the subject. I don't like the subject of immigration from Mexico, but I try to stay updated on it. I don't just try to learn about whatever aspect of wrestling sparks my interest the most. I would rather be all around good.

2. If you didn't watch Martin wrestle then you have absolutely no business posting on this thread.

3. What are you doing posting at 12:15 AM anyways? Don't you have a bedtime young gun? Maybe that was your problem all throughout the season...

Its obvious what is happening here.  385 has a man crush on Fahy.

Its obvious what is happening here.  385 has a man crush on Fahy.

Your ignorance shows. I have said absolutely nothing about Fahy or how good he is, rather stop beating the dead Fahy horse. Your opinions and posts are completely irrelevant.

Your ignorance shows. I have said absolutely nothing about Fahy or how good he is, rather stop beating the dead Fahy horse. Your opinions and posts are completely irrelevant.

I agree. He tries to act all big, bad, and better than everyone else. old140 I challenge you, make some good posts on here show some of us up and make some intelligent posts.

I agree. He tries to act all big, bad, and better than everyone else. old140 I challenge you, make some good posts on here show some of us up and make some intelligent posts.

Thank you, none of his posts produce anything, they are all irrelevant.

Wow, I hit a nerve with the man crush comment.  You two must of been wanting to keep it a secret.  Well I am going to go and work on my intelligent posts now, I will try and use that education I have.  You two wouldn't know much about that though.  If the Fahy thing doesn't work out for you two, maybe you all should give each other a call.  I am done now though, I wont poke fun at your "lifestyles" anymore.

1. I am never biased. Never. I give credit where credit is due, and I share my honest opinion on any subject in which I feel obligated to do such.

2. More people probably did say Zarth over Fahy, but i'm too lazy to go look for it. But wait and see, in 3 years everyone will forget all about Zarth, and Fahy will be the best wrestler in the world. I do not mean this literally, but I am trying to incinuate what will happen. The problem with this site is, you all forget about everyone way too fast. Aside from Joe Carr Jr. and the occasional Livingston Merritt post by the random old timer on here, nobody says anything about recent alum or accomplished wrestlers in the past.

3. Its so stupid and annoying every single thread about who could John Fahy beat. He hasn't been beaten in Kentucky, and he won't. You can say all day long that anyone can be beaten on any day, but its just not going to happen. Unless maybe by some chance he meets Cooper, or Bumps up to 135 or 140 next year and wrestles Caleb Ervin.1. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean that I am going to choose to be ignorant about the subject. I don't like the subject of immigration from Mexico, but I try to stay updated on it. I don't just try to learn about whatever aspect of wrestling sparks my interest the most. I would rather be all around good.

2. If you didn't watch Martin wrestle then you have absolutely no business posting on this thread.3. What are you doing posting at 12:15 AM anyways? Don't you have a bedtime young gun? Maybe that was your problem all throughout the season...

thats weird, cause during the entire season i went 39 and 4. adding regionals and state, i went 43 and 7. seems a had a great season, with a not so good ending, if staying up till 12 15 got me there, hell id do it all over again. and i have seen martin wrestle, just not when he weighed 103. and who are you to tell people who can and cannot comment on this thread? are you an admin? i dont think so. why are you posting? you said yourself you dont even like or want to read about the topic anymore, that seems to give you less right than anyone to posting on here.

thats weird, cause during the entire season i went 39 and 4. adding regionals and state, i went 43 and 7. seems a had a great season, with a not so good ending, if staying up till 12 15 got me there, hell id do it all over again. and i have seen martin wrestle, just not when he weighed 103. and who are you to tell people who can and cannot comment on this thread? are you an admin? i dont think so. why are you posting? you said yourself you dont even like or want to read about the topic anymore, that seems to give you less right than anyone to posting on here.

Kasey you had a good season, don't let him u didn't. and im sure you saw Martin wrestle at 103. think about it, wci, state duals, state tourny, etc. those are alot of tournaments to just ...miss. i can remember martin wrestling 103 and at that time i was in middle school wrestling, so i am positive you've seen him wrestle 103.

Now lets make this interesting and who do you think would win if they were both at a weight they never wrestled. like 130 or 125. this is better imo because neither wrestled there and at 130 you have to have alot of strength to compete little alone win. I think this would be an interesting tourny to watch. it was alot of fun watching Andy Lenz wrestle up and kick a lil butt doing it.

thats weird, cause during the entire season i went 39 and 4. adding regionals and state, i went 43 and 7. seems a had a great season, with a not so good ending, if staying up till 12 15 got me there, hell id do it all over again. and i have seen martin wrestle, just not when he weighed 103. and who are you to tell people who can and cannot comment on this thread? are you an admin? i dont think so. why are you posting? you said yourself you dont even like or want to read about the topic anymore, that seems to give you less right than anyone to posting on here.

Congratulations on your 43 and 7 record buddy... did you get it all done when it mattered the most though? Ney...

that was a little uncalled for dont u think

how u ever do if u talk like that

Watched Martin wrestle MANY times at 103, very few could beat him. Fahy... don't know would be one heck of a match.

Martin now wrestles 125 at Lindenwood ( not sure of spelling ) and I happen to know that he beat the #2 in the nation at one point during this past season. So I'm not sure Fahy could hang with him at that weight.

1. I am never biased. Never. I give credit where credit is due, and I share my honest opinion on any subject in which I feel obligated to do such.

2. More people probably did say Zarth over Fahy, but i'm too lazy to go look for it. But wait and see, in 3 years everyone will forget all about Zarth, and Fahy will be the best wrestler in the world. I do not mean this literally, but I am trying to incinuate what will happen. The problem with this site is, you all forget about everyone way too fast. Aside from Joe Carr Jr. and the occasional Livingston Merritt post by the random old timer on here, nobody says anything about recent alum or accomplished wrestlers in the past.

3. Its so stupid and annoying every single thread about who could John Fahy beat. He hasn't been beaten in Kentucky, and he won't. You can say all day long that anyone can be beaten on any day, but its just not going to happen. Unless maybe by some chance he meets Cooper, or Bumps up to 135 or 140 next year and wrestles Caleb Ervin.1. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean that I am going to choose to be ignorant about the subject. I don't like the subject of immigration from Mexico, but I try to stay updated on it. I don't just try to learn about whatever aspect of wrestling sparks my interest the most. I would rather be all around good.

2. If you didn't watch Martin wrestle then you have absolutely no business posting on this thread.

3. What are you doing posting at 12:15 AM anyways? Don't you have a bedtime young gun? Maybe that was your problem all throughout the season...

cooper?....your logic will never cease to amaze me.

but anyway stop arguing on the forums

cooper?....your logic will never cease to amaze me.

but anyway stop arguing on the forums

Whats wrong with my logic? Have you never heard of someone bumping up from 103 to 125? People grow whether you wish to accept it or not.

Whats wrong with my logic? Have you never heard of someone bumping up from 103 to 125? People grow whether you wish to accept it or not.

I agree. Cooper beating Fahy at 125-135 is not that far fetched. Cooper is an animal.

I agree. Cooper beating Fahy at 125-135 is not that far fetched. Cooper is an animal.

Kevin Cooper is going to be tough to deal with for the next 4 years.  I think he will be the best Cooper yet.  If him and Fahy are in the same weight next year it wouldn't surprise me to see Cooper win.

I guess slideby just wishes to view Fahy as the next Travis Sullivan?

I guess slideby just wishes to view Fahy as the next Travis Sullivan?

its not impossible.

its not impossible.

I was speaking more to the aspect of Travis staying little his whole career, not to Travis getting beaten. It definitely is possible for someone to beat Fahy.

I'd like to think that KY is getting more competitive and the idea of a kid going undefeated thru his entire career is unfathomable.

I'd like to think that KY is getting more competitive and the idea of a kid going undefeated thru his entire career is unfathomable.

I wouldn't say unfathomable, but KY wrestling is definitely getting more and more competitive every year. I do however think that Fahy will go undefeated, but thats not to say that I don't believe he could get beat.

I guess slideby just wishes to view Fahy as the next Travis Sullivan?

woah wait what? i was just saying that it doesnt make sense that you think cooper can beat fahy but you think fahy would beat zarth.

woah wait what? i was just saying that it doesnt make sense that you think cooper can beat fahy but you think fahy would beat zarth.

Your reading too much into this man. He's not saying that he thinks Cooper could beat Fahy, or that Cooper is better than Fahy. He's basically saying Cooper could beat Fahy, or it wouldn't surprise many if Cooper beat Fahy.

Your reading too much into this man. He's not saying that he thinks Cooper *would beat Fahy, or that Cooper is better than Fahy. He's basically saying Cooper could beat Fahy, or it wouldn't surprise many if Cooper beat Fahy.

Since when is losing a match wrong or bad, you learn a lot more.  I think it is sad when a wrestler just moves to a weight class they will have no problems in rather than wrestle a weight they will find competition and learn.

Your reading too much into this man. He's not saying that he thinks Cooper could beat Fahy, or that Cooper is better than Fahy. He's basically saying Cooper could beat Fahy, or it wouldn't surprise many if Cooper beat Fahy.

Exactly... But i guess that its unfathomable for Fahy to grow any and meet a stud.

wait im 100 percent sure that more people said zarth over fahy, beside yourself. i have noticed a pattern in your post and you seem to be rather biased whenever fahy is talked about.and why do you have to add a negative comment to this topic anyway?

as you stated there have been many posts like this in the past so its rather obvious that this is something that people like to talk about on this board and if you dont like it then take your business to a different discussion

1. Go back and read the entire "Matt Zarth vs John Fahy" thread. Never once did I pick Fahy or Zarth. Soooo feel stupid?

2. I believe that I have made posts referring to Fahys talent like 3 or 4 times...

:-D I win.

1. Go back and read the entire "Matt Zarth vs John Fahy" thread. Never once did I pick Fahy or Zarth. Soooo feel stupid?

2. I believe that I have made posts referring to Fahys talent like 3 or 4 times...

:-D I win.

haha you said "This is an idiotic thread to begin with. Everyone already plastered this subject with Fahy v Zarth - Martin lost to Zarth and everyone was saying Fahy would beat Zarth. Stupid thread." thats all i was talking about but idk i guess you win feel big and proud your a beast and your sooooo cool.  :|

haha you said "This is an idiotic thread to begin with. Everyone already plastered this subject with Fahy v Zarth - Martin lost to Zarth and everyone was saying Fahy would beat Zarth. Stupid thread." thats all i was talking about but idk i guess you win feel big and proud your a beast and your sooooo cool.  :|

Go back and read your posts buddy. You said "ummm im pretty sure everyone picked Zarth except you." I just felt the need to prove my point. Smite me if you dont like me.  :-D

Congratulations on your 43 and 7 record buddy... did you get it all done when it mattered the most though? Ney...

werent you one of the ones trying to get everyong to stop getting off topic on these fourums? may i ask what you are trying to accomplish by bashing the end of my season? is the title of this thread, what is everyones view on the end of kasey hedges season? if so then please continue...

werent you one of the ones trying to get everyong to stop getting off topic on these fourums? may i ask what you are trying to accomplish by bashing the end of my season? is the title of this thread, what is everyones view on the end of kasey hedges season? if so then please continue...

43-7 is not a bad record. you got 43 wins, thats tight. i went with a record of 29-6, and at our banquet they couldn't think of an award to give me other than most takedowns :-D haha travis k, so they subtracted one of Robert Bracco's  wins and gave it to me so i could get 30 win record hahaha......poor. Kasey once again, good season.

Martin would pin Fahy with that sweet cradle he had.

Martin would pin Fahy with that sweet cradle he had.

no he wouldn't

werent you one of the ones trying to get everyong to stop getting off topic on these fourums? may i ask what you are trying to accomplish by bashing the end of my season? is the title of this thread, what is everyones view on the end of kasey hedges season? if so then please continue...

Yes. The only difference is my negligence to stay on topic is at least wrestling related. Whereas your whole team's, was not. But anywho, I'll leave you alone buddy. Theres no reason to bash someone elses season.

no he wouldn't

Yes he would. If you don't agree back your S*** up dude don't just say "no he wouldn't" I wanna hear your argument. Elliot Martin hit that craddle on just about everyone and the level of competition now compared to back then is NOTHING I repeat that NOTHING.

No offense to Elliot but when he was at 103 he was beaten at least twice by trinitys Dan Smith who was the best 103 in region four but got upset at regions  and got a harder state draw??? Elliot really worked hard and when he went up in weight He was Better than Smith !!! I really beleive that at 103 Fahy would be superior to a 103 Martin, but time will only tell how good Fahy will be as he goes up in weight class???

No offense to Elliot but when he was at 103 he was beaten at least twice by trinitys Dan Smith who was the best 103 in region four but got upset at regions  and got a harder state draw??? Elliot really worked hard and when he went up in weight He was Better than Smith !!! I really beleive that at 103 Fahy would be superior to a 103 Martin, but time will only tell how good Fahy will be as he goes up in weight class???

Since when? Bradbury was trinity's 103 Elliot's senior year. That's who we are comparing to. It doesn't matter who had the toughest draw has that not gotten to you? The best will always prevail. Elliot beat Bradbury in the finals, future 3rd and state champ, Jarvis future state champ the next year, and Shaw Johnson who is a very tough wrestler with some impressive wins. Elliot has Fahy beat with the level of competition he had to go through.

No offense to Elliot but when he was at 103 he was beaten at least twice by trinitys Dan Smith who was the best 103 in region four but got upset at regions  and got a harder state draw??? Elliot really worked hard and when he went up in weight He was Better than Smith !!! I really beleive that at 103 Fahy would be superior to a 103 Martin, but time will only tell how good Fahy will be as he goes up in weight class???

Yes he would. If you don't agree back your S*** up dude don't just say "no he wouldn't" I wanna hear your argument. Elliot Martin hit that craddle on just about everyone and the level of competition now compared to back then is NOTHING I repeat that NOTHING.

really he hit it on anybody, how come he couldn't hit it on me, i was jv man i mean come on thats a simple pin. if he can put it on todays prodigy, how come he could stick a jv to ethan miller.  thats how i back my s*** up.

this post is getting old!!

WHO CARES!!!!!!!

Yes Bradbury was 103  when elliot was a sr,Elliot did not wrestle at 103 his sr year!!! Elliot bumped up to 119 sr year and smith was at 112 ! I said when they both wrestled at 103 (Smith and Martin) i think Martin only weighed close to 97 so he was spotting a few pounds but Smith was better until Elliot worked his butt off got bigger and better by the time they were srs! Fahy definately better 103 ,but like i said time will tell as weight is put on???? It really is a moot point since we will never find out they all are exceptional wrestlers who worked and are still working hard to get better except Smith who is now coaching!!

Yes Bradbury was 103  when elliot was a sr,Elliot did not wrestle at 103 his sr year!!! Elliot bumped up to 119 sr year and smith was at 112 ! I said when they both wrestled at 103 (Smith and Martin) i think Martin only weighed close to 97 so he was spotting a few pounds but Smith was better until Elliot worked his butt off got bigger and better by the time they were srs! Fahy definately better 103 ,but like i said time will tell as weight is put on???? It really is a moot point since we will never find out they all are exceptional wrestlers who worked and are still working hard to get better except Smith who is now coaching!!

Where is Dan Smith coaching?

Yes Bradbury was 103  when elliot was a sr,Elliot did not wrestle at 103 his sr year!!! Elliot bumped up to 119 sr year and smith was at 112 ! I said when they both wrestled at 103 (Smith and Martin) i think Martin only weighed close to 97 so he was spotting a few pounds but Smith was better until Elliot worked his butt off got bigger and better by the time they were srs! Fahy definately better 103 ,but like i said time will tell as weight is put on???? It really is a moot point since we will never find out they all are exceptional wrestlers who worked and are still working hard to get better except Smith who is now coaching!!

Martin wrestled 103 up to his junior year..which i believe the bear is referring to..