Harrison Courtney

Were you asking who was almost a 5-timer or just wanting to post about Courtney?  Joe Carr Jr. was also almost a 5-timer, losing in the finals as a freshman.

now that you Minchin it, both Courtney and Carr

Didn

Didn

my bad He lost to Wayne county by 2-1. but the hole Team in 2005 had 1 point Deducted

No Carr didn't get hurt his freshman year. At least I never heard he was. He wrestled Delk in semis that year who was a very physical wrestler. He might have had some unknown injury.

Kevin Delk of Conner???

yes, I think he beat Conrad Wilmoski for third and fourth.

Delk was a BEAST!!  Beat Grady Peterson in the Semis 2 years later

Carr lost in the finals his freshman year.

Carr lost in the finals his freshman year.

yea 119rider beat him

yea 119rider beat him

See now. Usually im the one that throws that tidbit of information out there, but some people on here don't like to be reminded of it. So I wasn't going to remind anyone. But you just had to go and do it didn't you? Lol  :-D

See now. Usually im the one that throws that tidbit of information out there, but some people on here don't like to be reminded of it. So I wasn't going to remind anyone. But you just had to go and do it didn't you? Lol  :-D

yea I had to :-o Because I was sitting right their watching the whole thing :roll:

yea I had to :-o Because I was sitting right their watching the whole thing :roll:

what was the score and who is the dude that won

2-1.

Greg Woodring. Union County.

yea I had to :-o Because I was sitting right their watching the whole thing :roll:

Ha ha well some of us aren't lucky enough to have been alive back then.

yea yea now you get a 64 man tourney for state :-o place in 1 tournament and you qualify. how simple is that.....We only had 4 regions just imagine how tough that would be today?

take our region for example: Union,Caldwell,Hoptown,Christian,Paducah,Ft.Campbell,Larue,Central Hardin,North Hardin,Ft.Knox.    Man you kids have it easy now lol lol lol

yea yea now you get a 64 man tourney for state :-o place in 1 tournament and you qualify. how simple is that.....We only had 4 regions just imagine how tough that would be today?

take our region for example: Union,Caldwell,Hoptown,Christian,Paducah,Ft.Campbell,Larue,Central Hardin,North Hardin,Ft.Knox.    Man you kids have it easy now lol lol lol

I wish that we would go back to the old ways of doing the State tournament. It would weed out almost all of the kids that don't belong there. But its all about money. I mean, every single year there are kids that don't even have to win a match at regionals they just have to make weight and there at state because theres only 3 or 4 kids at his or her weight in his or her respective region. Its all about money, three days worth of tickets, concessions, and hotels? Theres no way were going back to the old ways.

666 Posts    :-D

Some would say that 385 is the devil on here.

Whoah. Im gonna go ahead and post something to get off of that number. Lol

I agree, Districts, then Region, then State is far better.  When I wrestled in Michigan, if you lost either of the first two rounds at Districts, you were done, your season over.  You had to win the first two rounds to be in the final four of districts, then you wrestled for placement.  At region, there were only 8 wrestlers, so the better placement at Districts meant easier placement at Region.  Obviously only 4 men then made it to State from each of the 4 regions making a 16 man bracket.  Of course, I wouldn't have been against wrestling to the final 2 at each region and only allowing them to go to state making it an 8 man bracket at state and only giving out 4 medals.  But, I do also know a lot of people that have just had a rough draw for them (wrestler "A" can beat wrestler "B" who can beat wrestler "C" who beats wrestler "A") and they placed 5-8th and they were quite good, so I am not going to knock the 8 medals.

I agree, I like the old way a lot better. I know we want to see wrestling grow in popularity in Kentucky but watering down the field so to speak is not the answer. There may have been fewer teams back in the day but some of the wrestlers were just as tough. We had to earn the right 2 weeks in a ow to get to state. That's not always the fact nowadays. Some kids are just satisfied with making the tourney instead of wanting to get there and do something when they do make it.

I agree, I like the old way a lot better. I know we want to see wrestling grow in popularity in Kentucky but watering down the field so to speak is not the answer. There may have been fewer teams back in the day but some of the wrestlers were just as tough. We had to earn the right 2 weeks in a ow to get to state. That's not always the fact nowadays. Some kids are just satisfied with making the tourney instead of wanting to get there and do something when they do make it.

You know I agree. I haven't agreed in the past with how the old system works because for the four years I made it to state I was a three seed. I was always upset or something in the semis at regional, but I look back and you can't always have things work for you just because you bust your butt you have to go to that next level. I know guys out of state ie VA etc. and they ask me "Make it to states?" I say yeah four years in a row, wasn't hard. If you have the slightest bit of talent and drive you can make it to state. If we narrow the road to state wouldn't that make kids hungrier to make it to state? Wouldn't it make them want to work harder to earn that spot at state? Wouldn't it make us find out who has the heart and desire to prove himself for those three weeks? Districts,Region,State. I think it would and that's why I agree with the old system.

You know I agree. I haven't agreed in the past with how the old system works because for the four years I made it to state I was a three seed. I was always upset or something in the semis at regional, but I look back and you can't always have things work for you just because you bust your butt you have to go to that next level. I know guys out of state ie VA etc. and they ask me "Make it to states?" I say yeah four years in a row, wasn't hard. If you have the slightest bit of talent and drive you can make it to state. If we narrow the road to state wouldn't that make kids hungrier to make it to state? Wouldn't it make them want to work harder to earn that spot at state? Wouldn't it make us find out who has the heart and desire to prove himself for those three weeks? Districts,Region,State. I think it would and that's why I agree with the old system.

I disagree.

Some regions are a lot tougher than others.  I know of a former wrestler of mine who never made it to the state tournament even though his senior year he beat 6 of the 16 kids that made it to state.  I know that year 3 of the 4 wrestlers in our region were state placers.  The 4th place kid in our region (HC) got beat by 1 of our own region kids to keep him from placing.(They only placed 6 then)  I'm not too sure if my memory is correct but I believe the 3 wrestlers who placed from our region were: Chris Dunn of Woodford(2X state champion) William Farrington of Wayne( at least 2 time state placer), and Derrick Mollette of Sheldon Clark(state champion).

Oh, by the way,  I know of another kid who finished 5th in our region during this time span, and finished 4th in the state.  The state tournament may be all about money for the KHSAA but it is not for the wrestlers who make it there. 

I know this kid deserved better.  He had plenty of heart and drive..

region 7 is pretty tough

Old topic same results. 

There is always someone who is left out.  Grow up.  If you didn't make it tough.  You should have worked harder to make it.  I did the research years ago when they contemplated expanding the tourney.

The argument was from the now region 7.  Their argument was that some of their 5th place wrestlers could place at the state tourney.  When I did the research of the previous state tourneys.  Starting from 1980 and up. Only three times did the top four wrestlers from a region place top 6 in state.  Nky did it once, and Wky did it twice. 

(Western Ky consisted of todays region 1 and 2.)Region 2 was a weak region with only about 4 or 5 teams in it at the time N Hardin, Fort Knox, West Hardin and East Hardin later to add Larue Co.  Region 1 had the powerhouses of Hoptown and Christian Co, Union Co, and Caldwell Co.

(Northern Ky consisted of todays region 6 and 5)  Region 6 had Campbell, Conner, Simon Kenton Region 5 had powerhouses Waggoner, Eastern, Fern Creek.

There was no basis in the change other than the squeaky wheel gets the most oil.  NKY and WKy were against the move but the Lou/Lex area forced it to happen. 

By the way we tried the 8 man bracket in late 80's I believe 86 and 87.  It went District, Region, Semi-State, State.  Top four moved on in each tourney and only top four placed at state.  Needless to say it was a flop.

We can't please everyone there will always be someone left out.  It is the way of life.  Deal with it move on and hope that the bad draw or tough region is the worst thing to ever happen to you in your life.  I guarantee that it will not be.

back on topic:

Don't forget about Robbie Clarkston.  He was runner up as an 8th grader then won 4 straight.

Old topic same results. 

There is always someone who is left out.  Grow up.  If you didn't make it tough.  You should have worked harder to make it.  I did the research years ago when they contemplated expanding the tourney.

The argument was from the now region 7.  Their argument was that some of their 5th place wrestlers could place at the state tourney.  When I did the research of the previous state tourneys.  Starting from 1980 and up. Only three times did the top four wrestlers from a region place top 6 in state.  Nky did it once, and Wky did it twice. 

(Western Ky consisted of todays region 1 and 2.)Region 2 was a weak region with only about 4 or 5 teams in it at the time N Hardin, Fort Knox, West Hardin and East Hardin later to add Larue Co.  Region 1 had the powerhouses of Hoptown and Christian Co, Union Co, and Caldwell Co.

(Northern Ky consisted of todays region 6 and 5)  Region 6 had Campbell, Conner, Simon Kenton Region 5 had powerhouses Waggoner, Eastern, Fern Creek.

There was no basis in the change other than the squeaky wheel gets the most oil.  NKY and WKy were against the move but the Lou/Lex area forced it to happen. 

By the way we tried the 8 man bracket in late 80's I believe 86 and 87.  It went District, Region, Semi-State, State.  Top four moved on in each tourney and only top four placed at state.  Needless to say it was a flop.

We can't please everyone there will always be someone left out.  It is the way of life.  Deal with it move on and hope that the bad draw or tough region is the worst thing to ever happen to you in your life.  I guarantee that it will not be.

I understand and agree with this but a 16 man state bracket would be a compromise between the two extremes.  The 32 is too big and I agree the 8 is too small.  16 is a great tourney to run over two days (you can almost run it in 1 day but there will be some 5 match rule incidents and nobody likes those) and it gives a day back for instruction.  I know at Woodford we do, or used to at least, cancel school those days.

Wow you actually cancel school for the WRESTLING state tourney?

I can't imagine that.  Most schools don't even know they have a wrestling team. 

How did the teachers and students feel about this?  Getting a couple days off in the middle of the year that must be made up at the end of the year.  Kind of like a snow day. 

Woodford has to be the ONLY school that does this. :-o

I don't know if they do it anymore but I distinctly remember in high school them cancelling school during the state tournament.  Apparently there were so many students absent on those days that they decided cancelling school was a better decision.  I don't think all those kids actually made it to Frankfort but that was their excuse.  Those of you have been around do you remember the huge crowds we used to have?

I think he was being sarcastic, Joey, and poking fun at you for saying Woodford cancels school. Not sure why, though.

haha, its straight Joey. grappler-of-old just wants to be a grappler-of -young  again. he's is just trying to put you down cause you mentioned wofo co.

No sarcasm meant in this one. 

It astounds me that a school would let the entire school out for wreslting.

I've heard it done for Football and Basketball.  But never in my wildest dreams would I have thought that a school would do it for wrestling. 

If this is true then I have to give Woodford Co. thier props on this one.  A school that actually puts wrestling up there with football and basketball. WOW>

No sarcasm meant in this one. 

It astounds me that a school would let the entire school out for wreslting.

I've heard it done for Football and Basketball.  But never in my wildest dreams would I have thought that a school would do it for wrestling. 

If this is true then I have to give Woodford Co. thier props on this one.  A school that actually puts wrestling up there with football and basketball. WOW>

The wrestlers on our team were lucky to get out of school to compete in the state tournament.

My bad, grappler.  Sarcasm is tough to catch on the interwebz.

In the late 90's they definately used to dismiss school for that Friday of state. But to be honest, maybe only 100 kids showed up (still a nice showing for HS kids).

My bad, grappler.  Sarcasm is tough to catch on the interwebz.

In the late 90's they definitely used to dismiss school for that Friday of state. But to be honest, maybe only 100 kids showed up (still a nice showing for HS kids).

my fault also. each year our school isn't out for state, they don't close the doors, its just an excused absence and you don't have to us one of your parent notes. the kids that go must bring back a ticket stub to make the kids that sign out go to the tourney. but i mean does it really surprise you that much? just look at our crowd. year in and year out our stands are roaring with people screaming, or maybe thats just my adrenalin pumping, but it seem that way. this year our senior class was a little small, so the number of senior classmen was a lil low. wait til next year. i have a feeling that next year will be a record breaker in attendance for woodford.

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Proximity to the tourney also helps with your crowd numbers. 

I know the NKY, WKY, and EKY schools have small crowds at times, but I think they are pretty large considering the distance they travel.  Especially the WKY schools IE Union.

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Proximity to the tourney also helps with your crowd numbers. 

I know the NKY, WKY, and EKY schools have small crowds at times, but I think they are pretty large considering the distance they travel.  Especially the WKY schools IE Union.

oh my god yes, unions' crowd was amazing this year. but proximity or no, wofo still has a large crowd consistently.

Unions crowd is large now and has been for some time. Do you think Woodford would have the same numbers if they were traveling to Owensboro for the tourney instead of Frankfort?

Yeah. Other than wrestlers or parents, me being from a small Louisville school, i never saw anyone at state other than the above mentioned.

Unions crowd is large now and has been for some time. Do you think Woodford would have the same numbers if they were traveling to Owensboro for the tourney instead of Frankfort?

Probably not the same but there would still be a lot of supporters.  More than most schools for sure.

Probably not the same but there would still be a lot of supporters.  More than most schools for sure.

uhh i would even go to say it would be the exact same as THIS year, this year we had a down year, on person in the finals go figure. if we moved it the people would follow. everyone in our school is updated on us, i mean its kinda hard to miss like 30 people walking around with blonde hair, and not know why it is.

uhh i would even go to say it would be the exact same as THIS year, this year we had a down year, on person in the finals go figure. if we moved it the people would follow. everyone in our school is updated on us, i mean its kinda hard to miss like 30 people walking around with blonde hair, and not know why it is.

Haha I forgot about that. Every single year with the hair...

The argument was from the now region 7.  Their argument was that some of their 5th place wrestlers could place at the state tourney.  When I did the research of the previous state tourneys.  Starting from 1980 and up. Only three times did the top four wrestlers from a region place top 6 in state.  Nky did it once, and Wky did it twice. 

It happened in 1996 at 140 lbs. out of the Lexington Region as well;

Region results were:

1. Joe Carr, Jr. (Woodford Co.)

2. Robbie Laslie (South Oldham)

3. Pat Szydlowski (Oldham Co.)

4. Dan Moody (Paul Dunbar)

State results were:

1. Joe Carr, Jr. (Woodford Co.)

2. Andrew Tinsley (Caldwell Co.)

3. Pat Szydlowski (Oldham Co.)

4. Dan Moody (Paul Dunbar)

5. Robbie Laslie (South Oldham)

6. Martin (De Sales)

I believe the orginal argument was brought up in prior to this year around 1992.

This is when I did the research.  The debate over expanding the state tourney took several years before it happened. 

On the plus side for the state they didnt just jump into changing the tourney. 

It happened in 1996 at 140 lbs. out of the Lexington Region as well;

Region results were:

1. Joe Carr, Jr. (Woodford Co.)

2. Robbie Laslie (South Oldham)

3. Pat Szydlowski (Oldham Co.)

4. Dan Moody (Paul Dunbar)

State results were:

1. Joe Carr, Jr. (Woodford Co.)

2. Andrew Tinsley (Caldwell Co.)

3. Pat Szydlowski (Oldham Co.)

4. Dan Moody (Paul Dunbar)

5. Robbie Laslie (South Oldham)

6. Martin (De Sales)

I heard that Dan Moody was pretty decent!  :wink: