Coaches,

Where are we at this year for JV state?

JV State will be at it's birthplace this year. Moore. It was only at St. X last year because it was postponed because of the ice storm and our gym was in use. It will always be at Moore unless noted otherwise.

oh and the date will be Saturday January 30th.

JV State will be at it's birthplace this year. Moore. It was only at St. X last year because it was postponed because of the ice storm and our gym was in use. It will always be at Moore unless noted otherwise.

Who died and made u the king of JV State? I think JV State should be at hoops!!!

Who died and made u the king of JV State? I think JV State should be at hoops!!!

who cares where its at show up and wrestle

Who died and made u the king of JV State? I think JV State should be at hoops!!!

you are going to have a wresting tournament at a place called HOOPS?  Are you kidding me?  Why should a place that endorses another sport get the poceeds from a wrestling tourney?  Keep the money in wrestling.

Who died and made u the king of JV State? I think JV State should be at hoops!!!

No one died.  Coach Thomas decided to start the JV State Tournament and hold it at Moore High. 

you are going to have a wresting tournament at a place called HOOPS?   Are you kidding me?  Why should a place that endorses another sport get the poceeds from a wrestling tourney?  Keep the money in wrestling.

Hoops is where we have held regions 3,4 and 5 for the past 2 years.  The Metro AD's decided to have them all in the same place.  All of the coaches I have talked to said they do not like it.  But they have to go where the wrestling is.

Hoops is where we have held regions 3,4 and 5 for the past 2 years.  The Metro Ad's decided to have them all in the same place.  All of the coaches I have talked to said they do not like it.  But they have to go where the wrestling is.

WOW. Can anyone spell Stuuuupiiiidddd.  Thats S. T.  U.  P.  I.  D.

Why would the Ad's give up the money that a regional tourney brings in? 

What does the schools get out of this?  Door money?  Concessions? Shirt sales?  dumb, dumb, dumb. 

I am amazed that they could get ALL the Ad's/Schools to endorse this. 

It is a big misconception of how much money is made at region because some regions split the profit.  I can remember in the past getting a check for maybe $125 and in some years owing.  The only thing you honestly get is concessions and possibly t- shirt sales.  Whether they are ballooning the cost or what it is what it is.  The head Ad is wanting to get every regional tournament in one central location for each sport.  He may feel as if it will build support of the sport and more people can watch different schools.  I like it at different schools but I also have to follow directions.  Region this year will not be at Hoops but back at the schools.  It will be up to your ad whether to take it or pass it on to the next school in rotation.  Believe it or not the coaches honestly have no say so in the matter.  It is up to our bosses. :cry:

I dont know about king but originator of the thing must count for something.  The thing may not exist had thomas not created it in the first place.  I would think they would get first choice at this then if they did not want it then I could see moving it. 

Admission to the tourney is minimal that is correct.

But a well run concession can and has made decent money.  200-300 profit is well worth the hassle.

That with being able to hold the tourney at your school to help with exposure at your own school is priceless.  Many schools need this exposure to help build their program.

Yes it is very stup....I don't think there is actually a single coach that agrees with it and i don't think there are many AD's that agree with it either, but the Head athletics guy and his right hand person think it is a good idea and good for the sport.  Kinda weird considering all the people who are against it and don't think it is a good idea but they do what they want to do.  And I am sure everyone on here who has been to one the last two years will agree it is not as good as at the high schools, but what can you do?  i gave a couple suggestions last year but kinda got scolded for it for not a good reason.  But that's another topic.

WOW. Can anyone spell Stuuuupiiiidddd.  Thats S. T.  U.  P.  I.  D.

Why would the Ad's give up the money that a regional tourney brings in? 

What does the schools get out of this?  Door money?  Concessions? Shirt sales?  dumb, dumb, dumb. 

I am amazed that they could get ALL the Ad's/Schools to endorse this. 

Does anyone else think the date of the JV tournament should be moved?  Part of the fun of state duals is being able to weigh in quality JV wrestlers who might be able to help the team out.  Duals can be won by substituting a quality JV wrestler and bumping someone up a weight.  By having JV states on the same day you lessen the impact of being able to do that.  How about JV state on the weekend between state duals and regionals?  Most teams just do a small tournament to rest up for regionals that weekend anyway.

Does anyone else think the date of the JV tournament should be moved?  Part of the fun of state duals is being able to weigh in quality JV wrestlers who might be able to help the team out.  Duals can be won by substituting a quality JV wrestler and bumping someone up a weight.  By having JV states on the same day you lessen the impact of being able to do that.  How about JV state on the weekend between state duals and regionals?  Most teams just do a small tournament to rest up for regionals that weekend anyway.

I agree with you. Thats a good point you brought up.  :-)

Does anyone else think the date of the JV tournament should be moved?  Part of the fun of state duals is being able to weigh in quality JV wrestlers who might be able to help the team out.  Duals can be won by substituting a quality JV wrestler and bumping someone up a weight.  By having JV states on the same day you lessen the impact of being able to do that.  How about JV state on the weekend between state duals and regionals?  Most teams just do a small tournament to rest up for regionals that weekend anyway.

It can also penalize or at least deprive that quality JV of his shot as a JV champ should his coach need him at the State Duals. I think he has hit on something here. What say you, Thoman?

I say that only 16 teams were usually competing on this date with not a lot of other activity going on. Thats why this date was chosen rather then a date where everyone is everywhere and participation would be small.

The date before regionals might be ok but we go to a tournament and I couldn't host JV state while sending my team to a tournament. We use a lot of parents and wrestlers to run the tournament.

Could another school host JV states?  Coach I know you use that tournament to make money for your program and I appreciate that however could an arrangement be worked out somehow where another school hosts it?

The weekend of state duals you have 16 teams participating there and not a whole lot going on elsewhere. The following weekend you have probably atleast 40 teams competing. some of those guys are JV wrestlers just filling varsity spots and not everyone has a ton of coaches to send some to jv state then some to other tournaments. It sucks for those teams at state duals I suppose but it would seem that it would penalize way more kids and coaches if it were on another busier weekend.

just my thoughts

I've heard that there are several tournaments throughout the state on the weekend of state duals.  The JV kids season is over after the JV state tournament.  Personally that weekend my focus would be more on my JV's than the varsity wrestlers.  After all they have put in a season of hard work just like the varsity wrestlers.  If I was a head coach I might even not schedule anything that weekend to give the kids a rest.  Of course this is assuming that we are one of the teams competing at state duals, which I think we will.

I say that only 16 teams were usually competing on this date with not a lot of other activity going on. Thats why this date was chosen rather then a date where everyone is everywhere and participation would be small.

The date before regionals might be ok but we go to a tournament and I couldn't host JV state while sending my team to a tournament. We use a lot of parents and wrestlers to run the tournament.

That is reasonable. However, are you going to still feel that way when Moore qualifies for the Duals?

Yes we will when it happens..hopefully we will still have enough coaches and fan support to be able to do it.  It just seems like the best weekend of the choices that are out there

That is reasonable. However, are you going to still feel that way when Moore qualifies for the Duals?

Do teams send wrestlers with their JV coach for this if their Varsity is wrestling somewhere else?

I see where this argument is going.  And i can see both sides. 

1st many teams don't have a JV coach, therefor can't send kids to both JV State and a varsity tourney.

Thoman thinks that teams don't wrestle on state duals weekend.  (I'm not sure this is true, I know most teams in Nky do on this weekend if they are in the state duals or not)

I would also contend that the teams that do have a JV coach are most likely those that qualify for state duals so they will be able to send kids the next weekend, regardless if their varsity has a tourney or not. (I would also say that the weekend before regional is more often the weekend teams are idle, and not the state dual weekend).

But, just like many other things that happen here in KY.  We take something that is good and muddle it in politics instead of thinking of the wrestlers themselves. 

This is the opinion of GOO

Take it or leave it.  It means very little.

GOO out.

The week before Regionals is probably the lightest week of that part of the season!

Hey guys,

Here is a tentative tournament schedule based on last years tourneys. This covers 1/30 through the end of the season. If something is missing you can add it.

1/30 State Duals Henry Clay

1/30 JV/State Tournament Moore

1/30 Danville Invitational Danville

2/06 Cougar Sharkbait Tournament Bullitt Central

2/06 Commodore Classic Perry Central

2/06 HCHS Rumble Harrison County

2/06 Mustang Classic North Oldham

2/06 Valentine Day Classic Dixie Heights

2/06 Cougar Duals Letcher County

2/06 Connor Duals Connor

2/06 Tournament McCreary Central

2/06 Blue/Gray Duals Fort Campbell

2/06 Yellow Jacket Woodford County

2/06 Rumble in the Jungle St. Xavier

2/13 Regionals 8 sites

2/18-20 State Tournament Frankfort Center

hmmm, looks to me like the weekend of state duals is not as busy. Maybe I'm wrong though.

"TAKE something that is good and muddle it in politics instead of thinking of the wrestlers themselves."

Are you referring to the JV state tournament? We did not take it. We created it. 

I see where this argument is going.  And i can see both sides. 

1st many teams don't have a JV coach, therefor can't send kids to both JV State and a varsity tourney.

Thoman thinks that teams don't wrestle on state duals weekend.  (I'm not sure this is true, I know most teams in Nky do on this weekend if they are in the state duals or not)

I would also contend that the teams that do have a JV coach are most likely those that qualify for state duals so they will be able to send kids the next weekend, regardless if their varsity has a tourney or not. (I would also say that the weekend before regional is more often the weekend teams are idle, and not the state dual weekend).

But, just like many other things that happen here in KY.  We take something that is good and muddle it in politics instead of thinking of the wrestlers themselves. 

This is the opinion of GOO

Take it or leave it.  It means very little.

GOO out.

Here is a tentative tournament schedule based on last years tourneys. This covers 1/30 through the end of the season. If something is missing you can add it.

1/30        State Duals            Henry Clay

1/30        JV/State Tournament        Moore

1/30        Danville Invitational        Danville

1/30          Fort Knox Invitational      Fort Knox

2/06        Cougar Sharkbait Tournament  Bullitt Central

2/06        Commodore Classic        Perry Central

2/06          HCHS Rumble        Harrison County

2/06        Mustang Classic        North Oldham

2/06        Valentine Day Classic        Dixie Heights

2/06        Cougar Duals            Letcher County

2/06        Connor Duals            Connor

2/06        Tournament            McCreary Central

2/06        Blue/Gray Duals        Fort Campbell

2/06        Yellow Jacket            Woodford County

2/06        Rumble in the Jungle        St. Xavier

2/13        Regionals            8 sites

2/18-20      State Tournament        Frankfort Center

I believe the Valentive Tourney at dixie is a JV tourney.

many of the nky teams spend that weekend in Ohio.

I was not referring to you taking it.  I was referring to the arguing about it and turning into a negative.  nothing about you thoman.

Ok Grappler. Thank you for the clarification. I may have taken it the wrong way. I mentioned a JV state for quite awhile and finally a bunch of coaches told me to stop talking about it and do it. We think if promoted by the coaches that these JV wrestlers will have something to work for rather then just being back-ups. We thought it would curve the number of younger wrestlers who are quitting because of not a lot of chances to compete.

So coaches please help by mentioning to your younger wrestlers and JV guys that their is something for them at the end of the season as well

Ok Grappler. Thank you for the clarification. I may have taken it the wrong way. I mentioned a JV state for quite awhile and finally a bunch of coaches told me to stop talking about it and do it. We think if promoted by the coaches that these JV wrestlers will have something to work for rather then just being back-ups. We thought it would curve the number of younger wrestlers who are quitting because of not a lot of chances to compete.

So coaches please help by mentioning to your younger wrestlers and JV guys that their is something for them at the end of the season as well

I think this is great and I want to thank you coach for taking the initiative to make this happen.

Coach "T",

I also think that you are doing a great thing for wrestling in the state of Kentucky.  I know it gives my JV wrestlers something to work for.....and in some cases keeps potentially quality wrestlers from quiting the sport.  Being a wrestling "dummy" all year long, who wouldn't want a shot at a "title".

i think all teams from all regions should attend the jv regional and the jv state tournament, usually only alot of louisville teams attend the state tournament, i think it should also be set up alot like the actual state tournament, alot of these jv guys work hard all season to make themselves better, and alot of the jv talent isnt very good, so in response to that make this a bigger tournament than the last few years to make this tournament very competitive for these jv guys, they deserve it  :-)

i think all teams from all regions should attend the jv regional and the jv state tournament, usually only alot of louisville teams attend the state tournament, i think it should also be set up alot like the actual state tournament, alot of these jv guys work hard all season to make themselves better, and alot of the jv talent isnt very good, so in response to that make this a bigger tournament than the last few years to make this tournament very competitive for these jv guys, they deserve it  :-)

Are you gonna win JV state this year?  :-D

The JV state isn't meant to take anything away from any other program or tournament.  The thought was that if it is a light (relatively) weekend that it would allow a time for teams to send jv wrestlers for a shot at something they may not otherwise get to do.  Yea there are tournaments and matches through the year for jv wrestlers but not near as many as the varisty level, so this is something that was brought up as a goal for jv wrestlers to shoot for and to keep them in the sport and not just get 3-4 matches a year and get beat up on in practice all the time by varsity level guys.  We always hope that teams are able to send some kids and coaches with them to do it and have had many teams come.  Of course it would be great to get even more teams involved in it but it is yet another expense the schools would have to burden so that is understood as well.  But we hope to keep getting more kids in it each year and keep them shooting for a goal.  And even though they aren't on the varsity level, it still makes more good matches due to the fact that so many of them are on the same experience level.