its just a couple weeks away... any thoughts and want to see match ups?

who all is coming?

130 Austin Palmer(RYLE) vs Tyler Clark (South Dearbourn)

Teams attending Raider Rumble this year:  Grundy, South Dearborn, Trinity, Campbell County, Ryle, Union County, Larue County, John Hardin, Woodford County, South Oldham.  That's like 8 of the top 12 teams in the state, plus 2 of the top teams recently in this event.  Then look at the weight classes (based on my most up to date rankings, which I haven't published yet):

 

  Per Ranger123 UC might not be there.

Also John Fahy and who ever. Never seen him on the Mat.

130 Austin Palmer(RYLE) vs Tyler Clark (South Dearbourn)

That Tyler Clark kid is a beast.

Any way to get Grundy's lineup? Anybody?

Virginia AA Rankings  (Grundy)

sean vandyke  112  2

jeremy hurley  119  1

dakota vance    130  6

john dotson      135  4

ethan owens    140  1

cody rife          145    4

tyler mcclanahan  152  5

daniel love          189  8

dalton cox          285  9

Thanks Assessor,

                                2009-2010 Golden Wave Wrestles

2009-2010 Schedule

Date

Location

12/5 Skyline Warren Co, Va

12/12 Ryle Union, Ky

12/18& 19  Reno Reno, Nv

12/28 & 29 Agie Grundy, Va

1/8 & 9 Va Duals Hampton, Va

1/13 Dual Abingdon, Va

1/16 Dual Lynchburg, Va

1/20 Dual Marion, Va

1/22 & 23 Big Orange Vinton, Va

1/27 Dual Carroll County, Va

1/29 Christiansburg Virginia Tech

2/6 SWD TBA

2/13 & 14 Region IV TBA

2/20 & 21 State Salem, Va

Schedule subject to change

Virginia AA Rankings  (Grundy)

sean vandyke  112   2

jeremy hurley   119   1

dakota vance    130   6

john dotson      135   4

ethan owens     140   1

cody rife          145    4

tyler mcclanahan  152  5

daniel love          189   8

dalton cox           285   9

What are the numbers on the right??

That is there Class AA Ranking.

For instance Ethan Owens is 1st at 140 in his class but 6th in the state. That's class wrestling for you.

That Tyler Clark kid is a beast.

ya he is

Teams attending Raider Rumble this year:  Grundy, South Dearborn, Trinity, Campbell County, Ryle, Union County, Larue County, John Hardin, Woodford County, South Oldham.  That's like 8 of the top 12 teams in the state, plus 2 of the top teams recently in this event.  Then look at the weight classes (based on my most up to date rankings, which I haven't published yet):

 

  Per Ranger123 UC might not be there.

according to LaRue's website they are going to Nelson County on the 12th and not the Rumble.

Can anyone get the past RUMBEL stats and history? I would like to know more.

    Thanks

Can anyone get the past RUMBEL stats and history? I would like to know more.

     Thanks

Go to baumspage.com and choose wrestling.  From there look at the the regular season tournament and choose the Ryle Raider Rumble.  From that site you can see results from the last several years tournaments.

according to LaRue's website they are going to Nelson County on the 12th and not the Rumble.

I wonder why they dropped out.  :?  :?

I wonder why they dropped out.  :?  :?

My 2 cents...

I'm sure Canter has a plan to best prepare his team for the matches that really matter late in the year.  That plan may not be in line with a tournament like this so early in the season.

grapplearms,That's what I was looking for.

 

Thanks

I think another good matchup will be Coyle and Felser if they go 60. I will get to see South Dearbourn this week end.

  Hey K Coyle if you need a scouting report I can get it from Maddog.

Ranger,

On the other thread you had the Rumble under hand as far as the wrestlers being ranked are they still close?

I wonder why they dropped out.  :?  :?

there scared...lol

:-D

What Northern Ky wrestlers stand a good chance of being champions in the rumble?

I can hear the Rumbel'in in Union let's hear what y'all got to say.

I can hear the Rumbel'in in Union let's hear what y'all got to say.

Did not see Jake Lee's name in the results of the Franklin Invite. Is he wrestling this year?

I heard Larue isnt going to Raider rumble so will another team replace them beacuse i know this is a 16 team set up tournament????

I heard Larue isnt going to Raider rumble so will another team replace them beacuse i know this is a 16 team set up tournament????

No, I believe all the number one seeds will get the bye. :evil:

Wave Wrestling Looking at Best Season in Years

Veteran Squad Returns Six Wrestlers Who Placed at State a Year Ago

by Lloyd Combs

Sports Reporter     

      No excuses.

      That's the attitude, says Grundy wrestling coach Travis Fiser, the Golden Wave wrestling squad needs to make this its best season in quite some time.

      Grundy has a veteran team, with six wrestlers back who placed at state last year, including three who have been to the state finals. And the Golden Wave is a young team, too, with just two seniors and another strong freshman class.

      Junior Sean Vandyke returns at 112 pounds after reaching the state finals two years in a row. Also returning are Jeremy Hurley, who reached the state finals as a freshman and was third last year at 119 pounds, and senior Ethan Owens, who was in the state finals as a sophomore, and on his way back last season when he suffered a hip injury in the semifinals and wound up sixth. Ethan will wrestle at 140 pounds.

      Those three and several others are more than capable of becoming Grundy's first individual state champions since Albert Childress and J.T. Pruitt in 2003. Individual champions is the main goal. Fiser said concentrate on that and the team's goals, which include contending with seven-time defending team champ Christiansburg, will take care of themselves.

      "The goal this year is to have as many state champs as we can get, by being as good in the first minute as we are in the last minute," Fiser said. "We need the attitude of 'no excuses', and to keep wrestling when we're tired and expect to win every time we step on the mat. That kind of attitude brings success and that will bring home state champs."

This Virginia team sounds intense. I have a feeling there is going to be some fierce competition. Is Fahy going to be there? What matches do you want to see?

what will the 125 bracket look like?

125 

1  Ryle  Michael Osborne  12

2  SK  Kevin Cooper  9

3  Scott  Steve Supe  12

4  Way Co  Luke Troxell  10

5  Wood Co  Mack Logsdon  12

6  Laf  Jimmy Lacy  11

7  TC  Zac Brown  12

8  JC  Jayce Carr  9

9  Old Co  Daniel Brenneman  11

10  Pad Til  Zach Pitman  11

11  Chr Co  Kory Polley  9

12  Tri  Brandon Birk  11

13  Sou  Chris Barrett  12

14  St X  Ryan Barnett  12

15  Eas  Joe Rupp  9

how many of these kids will be there?  just curious how this weight class shakes out this yr. looks tough.

well if you want to look at the seeding list here the link

http://www.baumspage.com/wr/ryle/index.htm

I heard something about Mark Hall being a bad dude. Why isn't he seeded?

I heard something about Mark Hall being a bad dude. Why isn't he seeded?

Seeding criteria is your placement at districs, regional and state last year. (Primarily-It can sometimes get down to head to head competitions, results with same opponent, etc)  But since he has never wrestled varsity before he has no results.  Two years ago a freshman from Graham, who was obviously unseeded since he had no placement in the OH state tourney the prior year, met up with Brian Peace, who I believe was the number 1 or 2 seed, in the first round at the Holiday Tournament (GMVWA).  Brian lost in the first round to an unseeded freshman who went on to win the thing. 

171 looks stacked.

Do you think this will be a Meatgrinder?

Logsdon vs Osborne in the finals at 125.

Logsdon is the only Wofo wrestler in the finals.

Results posted:

http://www.kentuckywrestling.com/smf/index.php?topic=7234.0

Lots of tough wrestling yesterday at the Rumble.  Many great matches with all the kids going at it hard all day.  A tough tournament at the beginning of the year with most wrestling 5 matches.  Congrats to all the champs and placers.  The Raider loyal want to thank everyone who came and supported us.  Also want to congratulate our kids on finally winning their own tournament.

Way to go Ozzie!!!!

What grade is Mark Hall in?

What grade is Mark Hall in?

7th

What grade is Mark Hall in?

What's the story on this guy?

he's 12 years old, and an absolute phenom.  lost to Myron Bradbury 7-5 in a nail biter at the raider rumble.  he beat a kid who took 3rd in Virginia from Grundy, 10-0.  you can google him and read up a lot on him, he's on flowrestling.com, he is an awesome wrestler.  he moved in from Michigan, and he's wrestling 119 for Ryle.  I would guess he'll be in the finals with Myron at state.  this is not an urban legend, he is awesome!  you won't believe your eyes when you see him wrestle when you realize he's 12 years old. 

Union looked to have a real youthful squad there. Watch out for Keaton Thomas when he gets his stamina back. he could definitely make some waves at 130. What you think Ranger?

12 years old.. thats insane.

i cant wait to see that match at state.

http://www.flowrestling.org/videos/coverage/view_video/238-2008-reno-world-of-wrestling-championships/13082-10u-90lbs-mark-hall-mi-v-zack-volk-wa

Is this the same Mark Hall?

yup thats him :-)

Union looked to have a real youthful squad there. Watch out for Keaton Thomas when he gets his stamina back. he could definitely make some waves at 130. What you think Ranger?

Yes, I was impressed with Thomas.  When I finally get the update posted (tonight or tomorrow) you will see him moving up the list.

is brock erin gonna be unions 103???

he's 12 years old, and an absolute phenom.  lost to Myron Bradbury 7-5 in a nail biter at the raider rumble.  he beat a kid who took 3rd in Virginia from Grundy, 10-0.  you can google him and read up a lot on him, he's on flowrestling.com, he is an awesome wrestler.  he moved in from Michigan, and he's wrestling 119 for Ryle.  I would guess he'll be in the finals with Myron at state.  this is not an urban legend, he is awesome!  you won't believe your eyes when you see him wrestle when you realize he's 12 years old.

Is Mark Hall the only Michigan wrestler on Ryle?  I had heard that there were 1 or 2 others coming then moving back after the season.  I was at a tournament in Ohio last weekend and some dad asked me about it.  He was interested for his son who is 7th grade in Ohio and wants to wrestle a year of HS in Ky.

Is Mark Hall the only Michigan wrestler on Ryle?  I had heard that there were 1 or 2 others coming then moving back after the season.  I was at a tournament in Ohio last weekend and some dad asked me about it.  He was interested for his son who is 7th grade in Ohio and wants to wrestle a year of HS in Ky.

i believe the rest of their lineup are all kids that came up through their feeder program.  103, 215, & hwt, I didn't see who they had or know who they were....but they weren't spectacular like Hall.  they just have a very solid lineup. 

Is Mark Hall the only Michigan wrestler on Ryle?  I had heard that there were 1 or 2 others coming then moving back after the season.  I was at a tournament in Ohio last weekend and some dad asked me about it.  He was interested for his son who is 7th grade in Ohio and wants to wrestle a year of HS in Ky.

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Wow! That has got to stop or, our discussion as to the best ever in Ky won't mean much. I have no problem if a student chooses to go school and live here ala the Murton bros. But, if the folks up north think they can come to Bluegrass as middle schoolers just to add state titles to their resumes and finish their HS careers up there, well there is something wrong with that.

Sincerely,

OJ Mayo

As long as Ky and a few other states allow it ,  it will be taken advantage of.  It's not the kids or his parents' fault. Write to the Ky KHSAA or legislature and see if you can get it changed. Good luck.

As long as Ky and a few other states allow it ,  it will be taken advantage of.  It's not the kids or his parents' fault. Write to the Ky KHSAA or legislature and see if you can get it changed. Good luck.

Regrettable, it just shows how far behind Kentucky is when the Northern States can send their middle schools wrestlers to Kentucky to pursue a state championship. :oops:

Kentucky wrestling has come a long away the past 5 years, we have great, programs, kids, and even some great wrestlers.  But we have a long Way to go :wink:

Yes, The state should look into this to keep it on the up and up.

If Trinity allowed middle school kids to wrestle Varsity would Mark Hall be at Trinity :?

I guess Ryle is the next Blair Academy for National Middle School Students, it will be embarrassing for Kentucky wrestling when Mark Hall goes back to Michigan for his high school career.

If Hall stays at Ryle for his career, then no one has any room to comment about this situation. :evil:

Until then lets enjoy the great wrestling that this young man brings to Kentucky.

Don't be mad about out of state kids stealing alway our championships, lets just work harder and develop our own. :wink:

As long as Ky and a few other states allow it ,  it will be taken advantage of.  It's not the kids or his parents' fault. Write to the Ky KHSAA or legislature and see if you can get it changed. Good luck.

What exactly do you mean by if Ky continues to allow it?

And what do you want changed?

If it is about the middle school kids wrestling varsity, I'm not sure why you should be against it. If a kid is good enough to wrestle varsity as a middle schooler he should have every right to wrestle.  If parents wants to move in and have their middle schoolers wrestler fine.  It will only make the KY kids better in the long run.

What do you think I'm talking about? Kentucky and a few other states allowing middle school and or junior high students playing or participating in varsity sports.

"it will only make Ky kids better in the long run"  I agree with you on that point but there seems to be a bit more to it than that. First off, I don't know first hand, only what I have heard, but apparently the father makes no bones about the fact that they are only here for wrestling season and then plans to move back to Michigan, then repeat the whole process next year. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this being allowed? If they had planned to move here and make residence here for the next two years then move back after the boys 8th grade year, fine, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Again let me point out, I don't know this first hand, but I heard this from someone in the Ryle program.

Another thing to keep in perspective here, we are not talking about just another 7th grade kid. This family lives for wrestling. Every time I can remember being at Jeff Jordan's with my son who is about the same weight, this kid has always been there. EVERY TIME! He is a numerous time national champion. A Trinity award winner. He has most likely won all of the W.O.W Roller national tournaments. So lets keep this in perspective here, its not like any and all 7th or 8th grade kids from Michigan or Ohio will just roll in and dominate our high school kids. This kid is one in several thousands, maybe more! He is this good because he lives wrestling and will certainly dominate in Michigan when he gets to high school there.

That being said, do I agree with what is taking place here? If what I hear is true and they will only be here for four months out of the year then repeat next year, absolutely not! If they plan on staying two years then returning, heck yes, and I take my hat off to the boys father for being that committed to his son future and his wrestling. For those of you who say even if the rumors of returning right after the season then doing it again next year is true, so what, what is the big deal? Well, let this kid or any other in the same situation be the one that knocks your son out of a State title on Saturday, then move back to their home state the following Monday and see what kind of a taste is left in your mouth.

I don't think it would be such a bad thing if wrestlers from other states moved in to compete, even if it was just only for a year. This will only force the level of wrestling in KY to continue to increase to keep up.

Who knows, maybe once he and his parents find out what a great school system and community we have here in Northern Ky, they might just want to stay.

I hope you are right, but very doubtfull. That would be great for our wrestling though

. First off, I don't know first hand, only what I have heard, but apparently the father makes no bones about the fact that they are only here for wrestling season and then plans to move back to Michigan, then repeat the whole process next year.

I hope you are right, otherwise, we are seeing the opening of a can of worms that could get out of hand. As said before though, if they plan to make residence here for the next two years , I welcome them and think its great that a kid of his caliber wrestle here!

What exactly do you mean by if Ky continues to allow it?

And what do you want changed?

If it is about the middle school kids wrestling varsity, I'm not sure why you should be against it. If a kid is good enough to wrestle varsity as a middle schooler he should have every right to wrestle.  If parents wants to move in and have their middle schoolers wrestler fine.  It will only make the KY kids better in the long run.

One of the problems with allowing middle school wrestlers to wrestle varsity is that under the current rules it is only permitted for some and not all.  For a lot of middle school kids that don't attend a "feeder" school/program they are not eligible.

Either open it up to all middle schoolers or get rid of it.  States that don't allow it is not because they don't have kids that aren't good enough.  It is supposed to be a HIGH SCHOOL Championship.

I for one love the fact that ms kids can wrestle varsity.  It really helps in their development...our state isnt that good in the lower weights yet and this helps the kids get better.  Remember the couple years when they couldnt in the 90's.  Much better now.

I dislike the ruling.  Sure it's nice to fill the line up or when you have MS studs to place but It puts the coaches both MS and HS in a bind when comes to competition and practice.  Sooner or later, mom and dad jump in.  "why is this kid wrestling up and mine isn't?" or "why can he practice with the varsity but compete with the MS?'  Crap like that.  It would definitely make it easier on the coaches.  It should be one or the other.

With that being said, the number of MS programs has increased drammatically over the years.  It is about time for the KHSAA to re-evaluate this ruling. 

How do you think Ryle will do in this year's SWOWCA?

I dislike the ruling.  Sure it's nice to fill the line up or when you have MS studs to place but It puts the coaches both MS and HS in a bind when comes to competition and practice.  Sooner or later, mom and dad jump in.  "why is this kid wrestling up and mine isn't?" or "why can he practice with the varsity but compete with the MS?'  Crap like that.  It would definitely make it easier on the coaches.  It should be one or the other.

With that being said, the number of MS programs has increased drammatically over the years.  It is about time for the KHSAA to re-evaluate this ruling.

If the kid wins the wrestle off why should it matter if hes in middle or high school?If mom and dad step in then just let them know hey if he wins the wrestle off the spot is his . I do agree to a certain extent if the kid is good enough to wrestle varsity for the high school and do well, why have him wrestle middle school and take the chance to get hurt? That never made sense to me.

I think Ryle will do very well as they did last year.  Top 5, with some xmas gifts, top 3.

Don't disagree with you PDaddy.  If he is good enough to wrestle high school then why bother with making a big Grandstand at the MS State championships.  OH yea, just so dad and coach can get their medal and points.

But don't have him do both or make it HS only.  Ben Jordan at Graham or Stephen Myers at Moeller or Hall from Ryle,  I am sure could have started HS in MS but couldn't.

Don't disagree with you PDaddy.  If he is good enough to wrestle high school then why bother with making a big Grandstand at the MS State championships.  OH yea, just so dad and coach can get their medal and points.

But don't have him do both or make it HS only.  Ben Jordan at Graham or Stephen Myers at Moeller or Hall from Ryle,  I am sure could have started HS in MS but couldn't.

what do you tell a child who worked  to win a middle school championship and as a by-product oh his hard work was able to get a spot on the varsity?  sorry you worked to hard  now you can't wrestle for what means the  to you the most.  great way to take a kids movitation away.

Don't disagree with you PDaddy.  If he is good enough to wrestle high school then why bother with making a big Grandstand at the MS State championships.  OH yea, just so dad and coach can get their medal and points.

But don't have him do both or make it HS only.  Ben Jordan at Graham or Stephen Myers at Moeller or Hall from Ryle,  I am sure could have started HS in MS but couldn't.

I agree with you , one or the other . Middle School is just to get you ready for the high school level. If youre already on the H.S, level why do both?

Just because the high school has an open spot you can fill and maybe even make it to state, doesn't mean you're ready for varsity.  Some kids are wrestling varsity in the 7th and 8th grade because they are really good, other just happen to be the best at their school (2 totally different things). Also someone mentioned team points at the middle school level.  If you don't let the best kids participate than they shouldn't even give away trophies for team or meddles for individuals for that matter, because it doesn't mean anything. And if you don't think it means anything because it's just middle school, you haven't seen how hard these guys work and how much it means to them. 

Middle School is just to get you ready for the high school level.

Why diminish what some kids work hard for and accomplish?  A MS State Title has meaning.  That's like saying High School is just to get you ready for college and if you never wrestle past high school it was a waste.  I don't agree with that the same as I don't agree with saying middle school is ONLY to get you ready for high school.

Again, under the current rules only some of our MS kids have the option to wrestle HS.  The rest are shut out.  Totally unfair.

If you are good enough as a MSer to place or potentially win the state tournament at the HS level what is the point of wrestling at the MS state?  It is obvious you have higher goals than a MS championship. 

what do you tell a child who worked  to win a middle school championship and as a by-product oh his hard work was able to get a spot on the varsity?  sorry you worked to hard  now you can't wrestle for what means the  to you the most.  great way to take a kids movitation away.

Totally missing my point.

If you are good enough as a MSer to place or potentially win the state tournament at the HS level what is the point of wrestling at the MS state?  It is obvious you have higher goals than a MS championship.

Remember these are at most 14 year old kids.  They are still kids and enjoy winning and receiving medals of any kind.  Let them earn all the awards they are entitled to. That would include a middle school state championship.  We are here for the kids.  Maybe they are showing some maturity by dropping back to middle school to help the team.  This is teaching a kid to sacrifice.  He is missing a high school event by returning to middle school region and state.

grapplehead.

don't mean to be argumentive but how am i missing your point. the post I replyed to had the quote "Oh yea, so dad and the coach can get their medal and points." Which implies that the only reason that these kids wrestle is for the glory that it reflects on their dad and coaches.

I was pointing out that many kids work for a middle school championship, they value it even if they are good enough to wrestle in high school.