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Kentuckywrestling.com HS Rankings 2009/2010 - December 5

Topic ID: 6012 | 89 Posts

After a couple of weeks of wrestling we have an idea how good some teams are going to be, but there is still a long way to go.  There are still some football players who haven't made it out yet and many others still getting into shape.  I'm sure I will have a number of updates after next weekend at the Raider Rumble.  I have attached a pdf file with the top 35 (where applicable) with region #s.

103

1 PD Pat Milford 12

2 Cam Co Garth Yenter 10

3 Un Co Brock Ervin 8

4 Ft Camp David Sahms 9

5 Sou Romel Giddens 11

6 Mon Co John Anderson 12

7 Jeff Yusef Memedov 11

8 Laf Luke Rearic 9

9 Lar Co Spencer Hines 9

10 Walt Clay Brown 8

11 NO Mitch Rusch 8

12 Ohio Co Jacob Bennett

13 Let Co Cen Justin Gross 10

14 UH Trae Blackwell 9

15 Har Co Anthony Shirley

16 Bull Cen Adam Mann 12

17 Bou Co Jason Asbury

18 Ft Knox Andrew Schwartz 10

19 Hol Thurmon Herron

20 PRP Bryce Payton 10

21 Meade Lance Kelly 10

22 SK Ryan Norbury

23 0 0

24 0 0

25 0 0

112

1 Tri John Fahy 10

2 Lar Co Nick Paden 10

3 Ryle TJ Ruschell 10

4 Sen Felix Casa del Valle 11

5 JC Robert Ankrom 11

6 Ohio Co Chase Boone 10

7 Jeff Teandre Taylor 12

8 FC Corey Krieger 12

9 UH Wade Willen 9

10 Sou James Huffine 12

11 CH Joey Henderson 12

12 Old Co TJ Schuyler 10

13 Pad Til David Dickson 12

14 SO Nathaniel Long 9

15 St X Terry Smith 10

16 Laf Camden Hanley 11

17 Cam Co Sean Fausz 8

18 Bou Co Ben Lascurain

19 SK Jared Yocum 10

20 Ft Knox Nick Guevara 11

21 HC Joe Mims 11

22 Un Co Chad Gahafer 9

23 Chr Co Jeremy Burnham 9

24 Cen Karlan Groves 10

25 Mc Cen Nathaniel Clark 8

119

1 Tri Myron Bradbury 12

2 Ohio Co Tyler Boone 12

3 Laf Will Bryant 11

4 Old Co Tyler Kaelin 10

5 St X Byron Hoskinson 12

6 SO Roy Bisenius 10

7 Sou Zack Tucker 11

8 Wood Co Robert Bracco 12

9 TC Brandon Abney 12

10 Scott Ritchie Supe 11

11 Ryle Mark Hall

12 FC Devante Unnikrishnan 12

13 Let Co Cen Tyler Smith 11

14 Lar Co Caleb Canter 9

15 CH Dustin Jaggers 10

16 Per Co Cen Chris Cory 11

17 And Co Austin Dillow 10

18 Fr Co Tevon Clay 9

19 Eas Tyler Lancaster 10

20 DH Chris Sikra 11

21 PD Brad Milford 10

22 BC Tyler Gies 11

23 Cam Co Zack Fryer 10

24 JH Danny Crittenden 11

25 Pad Til Eddie Gagnon 10

125

1 Ryle Michael Osborne 12

2 SK Kevin Cooper 9

3 Scott Steve Supe 12

4 Way Co Luke Troxell 10

5 Wood Co Mack Logsdon 12

6 Laf Jimmy Lacy 11

7 TC Zac Brown 12

8 JC Jayce Carr 9

9 Old Co Daniel Brenneman 11

10 Pad Til Zach Pitman 11

11 Chr Co Kory Polley 9

12 Tri Brandon Birk 11

13 Sou Chris Barrett 12

14 St X Ryan Barnett 12

15 Eas Joe Rupp 9

16 FC Trent Cox 9

17 Meade Brandon Scott 11

18 CH Thomas Ard 12

19 Nel Co Zack Plowman 11

20 Lar Co Raymundo Perez 8

21 NO Zach Richardson 12

22 Jeff Larry Willard 11

23 And Co Shea Sparrow

24 Cen Dominique Thompson 10

25 Cam Co Corbin Woods 9

130

1 Ryle Austin Palmer 12

2 Lar Co Shaquille Cox 11

3 Cam Co John Hale 12

4 CH Kyle Terry 11

5 Tri Brent Hitchings 10

6 JC Zach Salyers 11

7 Wood Co Cory McCall 10

8 Fair David Moore 12

9 JH Wade Holtsclaw 9

10 Call Co Keaton Starks 11

11 Hop Tyler Martin 12

12 Apollo Brent Feher 12

13 SK Cody Herald 11

14 Eas Russell Nyitrai 11

15 Un Co Keaton Thomas 11

16 FC Jordan Scheler 11

17 TC Joe Davis 12

18 Ft Camp Zach Green 11

19 Scott Brandon Robbins 10

20 Nel Co Daniel Pile 11

21 Old Co Aaron Watts 11

22 Fr Co Josh Lopez 9

23 Moore Levi Schafer 10

24 Des Dylan Green 10

25 SO Nick Payne 12

135

1 Un Co Caleb Ervin 11

2 Wood Co Travis Krauziewicz 12

3 Ohio Co Patrick Bunch 12

4 JH Kirby Goodwine 12

5 SO Brandon Whitehouse 12

6 Eas Tom Shirey 11

7 Ryle Caleb Lonkard 11

8 SK Korey Belew 12

9 Cam Co Sean Hamons 11

10 Lar Co Shawn Hull 10

11 St X Kyle Honeycutt 11

12 TC Brandon Stockwell 11

13 NH Malcolm Glover 11

14 Sou Jake Weedman 11

15 Nel Co Hank Krauss 12

16 Chr Co Dustin Thomas 12

17 Fr Co Daniel Mauser 12

18 FC Deshawn Barrow 11

19 Tri Ausdin Pender 11

20 Per Co Cen Greg Hibbard 12

21 Man Ben Schardein 11

22 Meade Garrett Kenealy 10

23 Old Co Grant Johnson 11

24 NO Loren Avera 10

25 Jeff Robert Newberry 11

140

1 Un Co Isaac Thomas 12

2 SC Matt Slone 12

3 Har Co Josh Moss 12

4 JH Jordan Murphy 12

5 Moore Zachary Michael 12

6 JC Tyler Grimm 12

7 Sen Alex Henderson 12

8 Way Co Aaron Dodd 11

9 Ryle Zach Roland 12

10 Coop TJ Bates 12

11 Bou Co John Stout 10

12 Old Co Michael Toth 12

13 Meade Joey Carter 12

14 Lar Co Shelby Floyd 11

15 Vall Shawn Johnson 12

16 NO Chase Rusch 10

17 Cam Co Dylan Watson 12

18 SK Weston Ott 12

19 Apollo Zach Mitchell 12

20 Cen Roy Sublett

21 Nel Co Jonathon Greenwell 11

22 Sou Cory Kimbly 12

23 CH Nick Waits 10

24 Mc Cen Hurstle Upchurch 11

25 Wood Co Patrick Blevins 12

145

1 JH Josh Johnson 12

2 Cam Co Korey Shotwell 12

3 Whit Co Duncan Caddell 11

4 NO Dan Thomson 12

5 Moore Steve Willbanks 12

6 Dan Louis Beto 12

7 NH Terrance Demery 12

8 Ryle Zack Bolog 12

9 Jeff Nicu Alexandru 12

10 SC Avery Ray 11

11 Coop Lane Jones 9

12 Apollo Clay Keugal 12

13 Way Co Zach Troxell 9

14 TC Steven Kimbrell 11

15 Har Co Chris Brunker 12

16 Mc Cen Larry Sammons 10

17 Wood Co Alfredo Gonzalez 12

18 Nel Co Josh Taylor 11

19 Cald Co Dylan Hale 12

20 Cen Diaz Bolden 12

21 SK Ryan Stevens 10

22 Ft Camp Robbie Sahms 12

23 PRP Camryn Fields

24 Laf Andrew Feese

25 Fair Brian Weston 11

152

1 Tri Grant Ohlmann 12

2 Ryle Connor Coyle 11

3 TC Andrew Wright 12

4 Shaw Antwan Fields 12

5 SO Cole Proctor 11

6 KCD Hardy Hendren 11

7 Jeff Dair Shapirov 12

8 Coop Matt Brewer 11

9 Wood Co Brian White 11

10 CH Eric Jaggers 12

11 JC Todd Sites 12

12 Cen Omar Jarvis 10

13 SC Casey Delong 12

14 Man Travis Terranova 12

15 HC Joe Whalen 11

16 Un Co Jake Risinger 10

17 Nel Co Alex Pearson 11

18 UH Daniel Urban 11

19 Vall Michael Clark 12

20 Fair Jake Maupin 10

21 Eas Tom Rupp 11

22 Mc Cen Nick Staten 9

23 NH Russell Rowlett 12

24 Whit Co Scotty Partin 10

25 Hop Chad Jordan 11

160

1 JC JJ Jude 10

2 Sen Cameron Broussard 12

3 Fr Co Josh Bruning 12

4 Mc Cen Preston Shoopman 12

5 St X John Lampe 11

6 Scott Zack Sowder 12

7 Ryle Court Mace 11

8 Tri Erin McCauley 12

9 CH Robert Robey 11

10 Eas Hunter Boroff 12

11 BS Najee Calderon 12

12 Sou Brody O'Leary 11

13 HC Ryan Duzyk 11

14 NO Larry Hinkle 11

15 Un Co Kenneth Brummett 9

16 Vall Daniel Smith 12

17 Cald Co Steven Lamb

18 Chr Co Jeron Trice 11

19 Wood Co Curtis Graham 11

20 SK David Bahr 11

21 Old Co Michael Valenzuela 12

22 Jeff Torian Jewell 12

23 Dav Co Charles Armstrong

24 Way Co Matthew Sullivan 12

25 Coop Andy Gilliland 11

171

1 Tri Brad Hitchings 12

2 Cam Co Jake Lee 12

3 Sen Lofton Wright 12

4 Lar Co Bernard Ray 10

5 Fr Co Jeremy Gardner 12

6 SO Spencer Warren 12

7 SC Austin Stepp 11

8 Cald Co Gavin Agnew 12

9 Whit Co Soloman Vanover 9

10 Laf Dusty Thompson 12

11 Way Co Jordan Jones 10

12 CH James Shinault 12

13 Bull Cen Matt Lafollette 11

14 Mc Cen Andy Perry 12

15 WH Mark Davis 12

16 TC Jacob Soard

17 Hop Joseph Wiegold 12

18 JC Sam Preston 9

19 Cam Co Colin Friedly 12

20 Dan Cody Kitchen 10

21 Sou Josh Gibson 11

22 JH Chris Doss 9

23 NO Robbie Hinkle 12

24 NH James Newton 12

25 Vall Kasey Autry 12

189

1 SC Brad Stafford 12

2 Har Co Brandon Barnett 11

3 Cam Co Nathan Ilg 12

4 Nel Co Matt Hillard 11

5 Con Huston Dockery 12

6 Apollo Zimi John 11

7 Tri Cooper Bohn 12

8 Wood Co Derrick Campbell 10

9 Eas Kyle Durbin 11

10 Whit Co Samuel Vanover 9

11 Jeff Ci'Vaughn Green 11

12 Fr Co Tyler Wright 12

13 CH Tim Clem 11

14 Un Co Thomas Buckman 11

15 JH Max Malito 12

16 Des Trey Schmidt 12

17 New Quantez Jeffrey 12

18 Meade Brandon Simota 11

19 Laf Sam Bryant 11

20 Dan Zak Young 11

21 Bou Co Edward Reed 10

22 Old Co Justin Lyon 12

23 0 0

24 0 0

25 0 0

215

1 Meade Tyler Crow 12

2 Lar Co Drew Newberry 10

3 Way Co Cody Mink 11

4 Sou Evan Decker 12

5 Laf Shamon Brown 11

6 Call Co Michael Treadway 11

7 SO Adam Brown 11

8 Eas Menes McNealy 12

9 PD Keaton Hub 11

10 TC Dodd Kinder 12

11 SK Alex Van Winkle 12

12 PRP Cody Jaggers 12

13 AB Trent Hardy 11

14 BC Thomas Day

15 Per Co Cen Cody Hollon 10

16 Chr Co Preston Lashley 12

17 New Daryl Lynch 11

18 Mon Co Will Fawns 11

19 Con Darien Wolnitzek 9

20 WH Ken Holebrook

21 FC Nashawn Mills 12

22 St X Nick Krask 12

23 Coop Christian Caddell 10

24 Har Co Shaun Lenz

25 Tri Brendan Darrow

285

1 JC Ryan Harlow 12

2 Wood Co Trey Gentry 12

3 Way Co Tyler Pace 12

4 NH Justin Browder 12

5 JH Glenn Frost 12

6 Pad Til Brandon Hamilton 12

7 Sen Andre Hearn 12

8 St X Josh Jordan 12

9 Cen Kris Pugh 11

10 Cam Co Mason Franck 10

11 SK Colin Patrick 10

12 Meade Chaz Nevitt 12

13 BC Martin Jones 11

14 Shaw Michael Jaggers 12

15 Apollo Marc Bowlds 12

16 WH Christian Wilkins

17 Call Co Wesley Potts 12

18 BS Damien Cambell

19 CH Cameron McGraw 11

20 SC Dustin Burchett 12

21 Eas Andrew Whitlock 12

22 Vall Joey French 12

23 And Co Dylan Hughes 12

24 Moore Kyle Savage

25 Laf Bruce Robinson

Team

1 Trinity (Louisville)

2 Ryle

3 Campbell Co

4 Johnson Central

5 Larue Co

6 Woodford Co

7 Union Co

8 John Hardin

9 Seneca

10 Wayne Co

11 Sheldon Clark

12 South Oldham

13 Lafayette

14 Southern

15 Ohio Co

16 Tates Creek

17 Simon Kenton

18 Central Hardin

19 St. Xavier

20 Harrison Co

21 Jeffersontown

22 Eastern

23 Franklin Co

24 Meade Co

25 Scott

26 Oldham Co

27 Paul Dunbar

28 North Oldham

29 North Hardin

30 Whitley Co

31 Apollo

32 Nelson Co

33 Moore

34 McCreary Central

35 Fern Creek

36 Paducah Tilghman

37 Cooper

38 Calloway Co

39 Shawnee

40 Fort Campbell

41 Central

42 Christian Co

43 Danville

44 Conner

45 Montgomery Co

46 University Heights

47 Caldwell Co

48 Kentucky Country Day

49 Valley

50 Bourbon Co

51 Perry Co Central

52 Western Hills

53 Fairdale

54 Henry Clay

55 Boone Co

56 Pleasure Ridge Park

57 Bullitt Central

58 Letcher Co Central

59 Bryan Station

60 Hopkinsville

61 Walton Verona

62 Dupont Manual

63 DeSales

64 Ashland Blazer

65 Fort Knox

Team Duals

1 Ryle

2 Trinity (Louisville)

3 Campbell Co

4 Woodford Co

5 Larue Co

6 Johnson Central

7 Union Co

8 Southern

9 John Hardin

10 Lafayette

11 South Oldham

12 Wayne Co

13 Oldham Co

14 Meade Co

15 Seneca

16 Ohio Co

Deshawn Barrow vs. Tom Shirey match Wed was very close...from what I heard...the ref decided that one.  Shirey won in OT.

Tyler Boone is going 125

I think Wade Willen is planning on cutting to 103

Brock Ervin cant wrestle for Union this year

And someone just told me that Terrance Demery moved

This is all I know

Ranger123 the Guru of Ranking.

Brock Ervin can and will wrestle. The school board passed it where middle schoolers can compete at the high school level last year. He is around 107 right now after a growth spurt and will see first mat time at Caldwell county in two weeks with the jv while the varsity is at Harrison (IN) duals. Indiana doesn't allow middle schoolers to participate therefore he will be going with the JV to caldwell county's tournament. Look for a good showing out of that youngster.

BTW ranger, Chad Gahafer at 112 is an 8th grader too. As always good job on the rankings

Chris Cory from perry county is wrestling 112.

Brock Ervin can and will wrestle. The school board passed it where middle schoolers can compete at the high school level last year. He is around 107 right now after a growth spurt and will see first mat time at Caldwell county in two weeks with the jv while the varsity is at Harrison (IN) duals. Indiana doesn't allow middle schoolers to participate therefore he will be going with the JV to caldwell county's tournament. Look for a good showing out of that youngster.

BTW ranger, Chad Gahafer at 112 is an 8th grader too. As always good job on the rankings

I heard Coach Ervin discuss that new rule last year at Blue/Grays but I was told that he was going to a specific middle school that wouldnt let him. But you sounds like you would know better then me

ukpride 4 time Indiana State Champs.

Howard Fisher, South Bend Central: 1949, 95 lbs.; 1950, 112 lbs.; 1951, 127 lbs.; 1952, 133 lbs.

Alex Tsirtsis, Griffith: 2001, 119 lbs.; 2002, 130 lbs.; 2003, 135 lbs.; 2004, 145 lbs.

Angel Escobedo, Griffith: 2002, 112 lbs: 2003, 125 lbs: 2004, 130 lbs: 2005, 135 lbs.

Ranger, you can take Nashawn Mills off the rankings, he's no longer wrestling

zach pitman from pt is at 145 not sure if hes going to drop, eddie gagnon is at 130 but is walking around at like 127 so hes planning on dropping as soon as the fat test allows, david dickson should be at twelve next weekend and justin wynne is at 140.

ukpride

  never mind

chris gillky from caldwell he is good he cant beat brock can put up a fight

Luke Troxell beat Austin palmer today. :-o

is luke for sure wrestling 130 or 125 and what was the score against palmer

central hardin today beat both seneca and woodford and wrestled very very good as a team today i very proud of the way we wrestled

central hardin today beat both seneca and woodford and wrestled very very good as a team today i very proud of the way we wrestled

Impressive Central Hardin, you beat a couple big time programs. :wink: :-D

Tyler Boone is going 125

I think Wade Willen is planning on cutting to 103

Brock Ervin cant wrestle for Union this year

And someone just told me that Terrance Demery moved

This is all I know

As usual, please don't post things you have no idea about.  The reason I put B. Ervin back in the rankings is because I have a couple of reliable things to indicate he would be competing for Union this season.  I saw Demery competing for North Hardin today.  Willen isn't allowed to go to 103.  I haven't seen any weigh in for Boone yet, but his test was low enoug to think 119 is a possibility.

As usual, please don't post things you have no idea about.  The reason I put B. Ervin back in the rankings is because I have a couple of reliable things to indicate he would be competing for Union this season.  I saw Demery competing for North Hardin today.  Willen isn't allowed to go to 103.  I haven't seen any weigh in for Boone yet, but his test was low enoug to think 119 is a possibility.

Ranger, I have to agree with FCHS_Wrestling, I think Demery did move.  He went from a small singlet to a medium.  :evil:

As for the other kids I haven't a clue. :roll:

also bryce payton beat romel giddens on wedsday it was 4 to 1 and also today beat jason abuary or something like that from bourbon county

terrence did not move i know this for a fact

As usual, please don't post things you have no idea about.  The reason I put B. Ervin back in the rankings is because I have a couple of reliable things to indicate he would be competing for Union this season.  I saw Demery competing for North Hardin today.  Willen isn't allowed to go to 103.  I haven't seen any weigh in for Boone yet, but his test was low enoug to think 119 is a possibility.

saw willen wrestle 112 today.  only way he gets to 103 is remove a leg.  tyler boone 125 today, chase 119.  also k marston wrestled 119 for franklin co today.  not sure if he stays there or goes to 112??

Deshawn Barrow vs. Tom Shirey match Wed was very close...from what I heard...the ref decided that one.  Shirey won in OT.

How exactly was it decided by the ref?

As usual, please don't post things you have no idea about.  The reason I put B. Ervin back in the rankings is because I have a couple of reliable things to indicate he would be competing for Union this season.  I saw Demery competing for North Hardin today.  Willen isn't allowed to go to 103.  I haven't seen any weigh in for Boone yet, but his test was low enoug to think 119 is a possibility.

I have heard it from the Boones that Tyler is going 125

I was told from countless people about Brock Ervin, but as you can see earlier I admitted I was misinformed on that one.

I wasnt sure about the Demery thing it was something told to me by a former Fort Knox wrestler, and I made sure to mention I was told that not that I believed it

I was told by I think an assistant at UHA that Wade was going to cut to 103 earlier in the year, but I havent seen the body fat test for him so if you have I guess that is out of the picture

UK Pride,

I could be wrong but teams from KY follow KHSAA rules not IHSAA rules, therefore MS kids CAN wrestle in Indiana.  If they can wrestle for the Varsity in KY they can in anyother state. 

I have written documentation from the OHSAA head honchos regarding this exact matter.

 

But not in IHSAA. They do not allow MS kids to wrestle varsity. So when Union crosses the river they have to abide by their laws not KHSAA.

is luke for sure wrestling 130 or 125 and what was the score against palmer

  Score was 5-2

How exactly was it decided by the ref?

Tom got warned for stalling twice. Should have been a point awarded and the match would not have gone into O.T. I didn't catch it until it was too late.

Tom got warned for stalling twice. Should have been a point awarded and the match would not have gone into O.T. I didn't catch it until it was too late.

and then there was the controversial locked hands non-call.  that would have prevented the OT.

UK Pride,

I could be wrong but teams from KY follow KHSAA rules not IHSAA rules, therefore MS kids CAN wrestle in Indiana.  If they can wrestle for the Varsity in KY they can in anyother state. 

I have written documentation from the OHSAA head honchos regarding this exact matter.

119Rider is exactly right.  When a Kentucky school goes to another state, they must follow the rules of whatever athletic "body" sanctions the event.  In this case, Union was in Indiana for an event hosted by a member school of the IHSAA so they must follow IHSAA rules for that event which means no middle school kids can compete at the high school level.  They still adhere to KHSAA guidelines, but if another sanctioned athletic governing body is more strict and the event is in their jurisdiction, they must follow those rules.  I don't know what the OHSAA "head honchos" were on, but they misinformed you.

and then there was the controversial locked hands non-call.  that would have prevented the OT.

its sad to say sometimes... but if the ref doesn't call it, it didnt happen...

and then there was the controversial locked hands non-call.  that would have prevented the OT.

Questionable calls happen all the time. And the winner and loser are always going to have a different perspective. One could also argue that Shirey didn't receive a takedown he should have.

(130) Keaton Starks and (215) Michael Treadway from Calloway can be removed from the rankings. Neither one of them will be wrestling this season.

Ranger just wondering why did you put me and preston lashley up on the rankings we haven't done anything since last year im not bagging you for putting us up there but sitting out a year and you put us up there???  :?

Ranger just wondering why did you put me and preston lashley up on the rankings we haven't done anything since last year im not bagging you for putting us up there but sitting out a year and you put us up there???  :?

Yes, sitting out a year has a major negative impact on your performance, but a good wrestler will be able to still have some success.  I don't have you in the top 10 or challenging for a medal, but I think you both will win your fair share of matches.

and then there was the controversial locked hands non-call.  that would have prevented the OT.

Or the two non-call takedowns on the edge of the mat? Guess that would've prevented OT too. Tell both sides.

Regardless, that match will be a lot more lopsided if it happened again.

Or the two non-call takedowns on the edge of the mat? Guess that would've prevented OT too. Tell both sides.

Regardless, that match will be a lot more lopsided if it happened again.

Whenever you step on the mat there are four, sometimes five people that can determine the outcome of a match. The time keeper (doesn't start or stop the time right- leaves a last second take downs or misses one); The ref / 2nd. ref-sometimes (Questionable calls are going to happen no matter what, Happens in all sports); The last two are the wrestlers (Who should know that the refs and time keeper play a role in the match, therefor they should be scoring more than 1 or 2 points then the other guy/pinning them to take control of the match and not leaving it to questionable calls/time)

All wrestlers know what can happen before a match, if they don't like to lose due to questionable calls then get better and take it out of the refs hands or don't wrestle.

(130) Keaton Starks and (215) Michael Treadway from Calloway can be removed from the rankings. Neither one of them will be wrestling this season.

why?

why?

One chose not to wrestle...the other was disciplinary actions

Whenever you step on the mat there are four, sometimes five people that can determine the outcome of a match. The time keeper (doesn't start or stop the time right- leaves a last second take downs or misses one); The ref / 2nd. ref-sometimes (Questionable calls are going to happen no matter what, Happens in all sports); The last two are the wrestlers (Who should know that the refs and time keeper play a role in the match, therefor they should be scoring more than 1 or 2 points then the other guy/pinning them to take control of the match and not leaving it to questionable calls/time)

All wrestlers know what can happen before a match, if they don't like to lose due to questionable calls then get better and take it out of the refs hands or don't wrestle.

I completely agree. I wasn't the one that said the ref decided the match.

Or the two non-call takedowns on the edge of the mat? Guess that would've prevented OT too. Tell both sides.

Regardless, that match will be a lot more lopsided if it happened again.

like I said in my original post...from what I heard...I can't tell both sides, I wasn't there.  I was just passing on what I heard. 

Regardless, the only way you can be sure that it will be more lopsided next time is if you are Tom Shirey.  If that's the case...I can see why you got your panties in a knot.  Did I mention Tom won...yeah, I did...OK.

119Rider is exactly right.  When a Kentucky school goes to another state, they must follow the rules of whatever athletic "body" sanctions the event.  In this case, Union was in Indiana for an event hosted by a member school of the IHSAA so they must follow IHSAA rules for that event which means no middle school kids can compete at the high school level.  They still adhere to KHSAA guidelines, but if another sanctioned athletic governing body is more strict and the event is in their jurisdiction, they must follow those rules.  I don't know what the OHSAA "head honchos" were on, but they misinformed you.

I believe it is the "Don't ask don't tell" policy in Ohio.  Same as gays in the military.  Coaches, officials and OHSAA administrators say the rule applies to Ohio kids only. Don't shoot the messanger here only what I have been told several times by each one of these people.

I believe it is the "Don't ask don't tell" policy in Ohio.  Same as gays in the military.  Coaches, officials and OHSAA administrators say the rule applies to Ohio kids only. Don't shoot the messanger here only what I have been told several times by each one of these people.

I spoke to the dad involved in the incident that grapplehed was referring to a while back.  He was at a meet in Ohio and half way into the event a coach raised a fuss and he was not allowed to wrestle.  They took it as high as it can go in Ohio and found out that (at least in Ohio) the bylaws in Ohio stated that a kid is eligible in their home state, they are eligible in Ohio.  I would think Indiana/Kentucky has a similar case, if not, wouldn't Kentucky teams raise a bigger stink about Indiana kids being eligible at age 19 their senior year?

I am not sure of Ohio's bylaws, but I know for sure that middle schoolers cannot wrestle in Indiana.

Even when Indiana schools come over here they are not allowed to wrestle middle school kids.

Thanks for clearing that up Coach Brown. Always nice to have a real coach back up the info we have, gives me some validity.  :-D

Not sure if this will help with out of state eligibility, best to get a lawyer to be safe. :-D

http://www.khsaa.org/handbook/bylaws/bylaw23.pdf

Bylaw 23. Sanctions

Sec. 1) Contests Within State

All contests within Kentucky played by KHSAA member schools

shall be governed by the rules and regulations established by the

Board of Control including Article VIII of the KHSAA Constitution.

Approval for any exemptions shall come through the Commissioner.

The Commissioner or Board of Control shall not sanction (approve

for play) any meet, tournament, game, or all-star contest unless a

member school, conference, group of member schools, or coaches

association is the sponsor. The legal sponsor shall have full control

over planning, supervision, and disposition of fi nances. A member

school shall not take part in any tournament, game, or contest

from which any outside organization derives a fi nancial profi t

from ticket sales.

Sec. 2) Interstate Contests

Member schools of the KHSAA shall adhere to all restrictions

contained in the National Federation of State High School

Associations

Thanks for clearing that up Coach Brown. Always nice to have a real coach back up the info we have, gives me some validity.  :-D

Wow, I believe that was an inadvertant slap across the face.  Last time I checked, I thought I was listed as a "real" coach.  I get paid and everything, lol.  Like I said, KHSAA schools still follow KHSAA bylaws and guidelines, but when they travel to the jurisdiction of another athletic governing body, they must follow their rules.  Kentucky allows middle school kids to wrestle at the HS level so in Kentucky or any other state that does the same, MS kids can wrestle.  Indiana does not allow MS kids to wrestle so when Kentucky schools or any other school that is a member of an athletic organization that does allow MS kids to wrestle travels to Indiana, they can't.  Now, like Coach Brown was saying, Indiana does not allow MS kids to wrestle in HS competition regardless of where the event is held.  IHSAA member schools still follow the IHSAA bylaws and regulations, so therefore, when an Indiana wrestles in Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky or wherever, MS kids still can't wrestle at the HS level.  Basically, Kentucky schools still follow KHSAA bylaws unless the host state's governing athletic body has more stringent bylaws, then KHSAA member schools must follow those.  If the host state's governing athletic body has more lax bylaws, then KHSAA schools follow the KHSAA guidelines while still adhering to the host states's rules or bylaws.

So do I understand this correctly;

If an IN HS team is wrestling in KY and a MS wrestler is wrestling for a KY Team and matches up against an IN wrestler, the IN wrestler is not allowed to wrestle him because he is Middle School aged.

Sounds like all coaches should bring Birth Certificates and Legal counsel to tournaments this season, jk

119Rider is exactly right.  When a Kentucky school goes to another state, they must follow the rules of whatever athletic "body" sanctions the event.  In this case, Union was in Indiana for an event hosted by a member school of the IHSAA so they must follow IHSAA rules for that event which means no middle school kids can compete at the high school level.  They still adhere to KHSAA guidelines, but if another sanctioned athletic governing body is more strict and the event is in their jurisdiction, they must follow those rules.  I don't know what the OHSAA "head honchos" were on, but they misinformed you.

I spoke to the dad involved in the incident that grapplehed was referring to a while back.  He was at a meet in Ohio and half way into the event a coach raised a fuss and he was not allowed to wrestle.  They took it as high as it can go in Ohio and found out that (at least in Ohio) the bylaws in Ohio stated that a kid is eligible in their home state, they are eligible in Ohio.  I would think Indiana/Kentucky has a similar case, if not, wouldn't Kentucky teams raise a bigger stink about Indiana kids being eligible at age 19 their senior year?

That was exactly what I was referring to DMaster,  The OHSAA were the Head Honcho's and I have it in writing from the Commish on wrestling at the OHSAA, so I was not misinformed. That was only reason I brought that up about IN but they must not be able to wrestle over there. The Host school and head official argued the point of liability of the MS so the matches were forfeited until documentation was provided.  I believe the exact quotes are listed on this forum somewhere.

southerns 215 got pinned by matt hilliard in less than a minute so im wondering if that was the jv 215 or the varsity

central hardin today beat both seneca and woodford and wrestled very very good as a team today i very proud of the way we wrestled

Seneca did not wrestle with a full team on Sat...

Ranger, Is there anyway you can put the attached ranking's in a diffent format. Ive notcied that most peoples compters will not read pdf files.

Thanks.

So do I understand this correctly;

If an IN HS team is wrestling in KY and a MS wrestler is wrestling for a KY Team and matches up against an IN wrestler, the IN wrestler is not allowed to wrestle him because he is Middle School aged.

Sounds like all coaches should bring Birth Certificates and Legal counsel to tournaments this season, jk

Correct.

Seneca did not wrestle with a full team on Sat...

who were they missing?

Seneca did not wrestle with a full team on Sat...

oh you had to make sure you through that out didnt ya.well ya got beat so it dont matter.

Sorry Dragon Master, Yes you are a real coach. I just have known Coach Brown for quite sometime. You also give validity and much needed respect to our comments on here.  :-)

Ranger, Is there anyway you can put the attached ranking's in a diffent format. Ive notcied that most peoples compters will not read pdf files.

Thanks.

Anyone can download Adobe Reader to open PDF files... it's free and easy to install... I'm sure a lot less people can open Excel files unless they shed out a couple hundred for office.

http://get.adobe.com/reader/

Sorry Dragon Master, Yes you are a real coach. I just have known Coach Brown for quite sometime. You also give validity and much needed respect to our comments on here.  :-)

No offense taken at all.  I know what you were trying to say.  It's just one of those things that get written down wrong and I couldn't pass up the opportunity to have a little fun.  I know Coach Brown has a lot credibility and truly knows what he's talking about.  He just doesn't get on this site and post unvalidated facts.  He's a smart guy and real tall too, lol.

No offense taken at all.  I know what you were trying to say.  It's just one of those things that get written down wrong and I couldn't pass up the opportunity to have a little fun.  I know Coach Brown has a lot credibility and truly knows what he's talking about.  He just doesn't get on this site and post unvalidated facts.  He's a smart guy and real tall too, lol.

I love that, real tall.  Exact opposite of me. :-(

i was proud of region 2 at the oldham dueals, if i remember right 3 of the top 4 teams where from region 2. LaRue co, Central, and John hardin. congrats.

Anyone can download Adobe Reader to open PDF files... it's free and easy to install... I'm sure a lot less people can open Excel files unless they shed out a couple hundred for office.

http://get.adobe.com/reader/

Try this  www.openoffice.org  for excel and word.

I'm just barely in the middle of him and Ranger.  :lol:

Try this  www.openoffice.org  for excel and word.

True... or http://docs.google.com/

Thomas Ard (Central Hardin) is not wrestling this year. You can take him out of the rankings, Ranger.

I dont know what the deal is with wesley potts, but calloway had a different heavyweight on tuesday and he did pretty good considering the competition.

heard zac brown was going 112 can anyone confirm this?????

when do the rankings come out each week???? friday, thursday, random??????

when do the rankings come out each week???? friday, thursday, random??????

I typically try to do Tuesdays or Wednesdays to get some of the weekend results in.  Right now random is probably a better description due to my schedule (work, classes, high school/middle school/elementary practice, christmas preparations).

You sound like a busy man. Thank you for all the time you put into giving us a standard for comparison.

I second that, thanks for all your hard work Ranger.

i plan on going 125 in the near future but if i cant make it i will be at 130 i wont wrestle 135 this year

heard zac brown was going 112 can anyone confirm this?????

He's at 119 till 2 pound allowance. So you get to wrestle him in Regional Duals Championship  :wink:

are the fat tet results posted online somewhere?

are the fat tet results posted online somewhere?

Yea but I think you have to be a coach to log-in and view the info

Just wanted to send a message out to all those who have sent me pms with great info, especially those of you who are good friends of mine.  I apologize, but I haven't had any spare time to respond.  I appreciate all of the feedback and have already made a ton of updates with many more to come after the weekend.

So do I understand this correctly;

If an IN HS team is wrestling in KY and a MS wrestler is wrestling for a KY Team and matches up against an IN wrestler, the IN wrestler is not allowed to wrestle him because he is Middle School aged.

Sounds like all coaches should bring Birth Certificates and Legal counsel to tournaments this season, jk

You do not understand this correctly. Indiana high school wrestlers can go to KY and wrestle against middle school kids. This is copied from the IHSAA by-laws:

Participation Against Teams of Non-Members

Q. 9-3 May an IHSAA member school participate against a non-member school whose team

contains students below grade 9?

A. Yes, so long as the non-member school is not eligible for IHSAA membership or has been

expelled or suspended from membership in the IHSAA. (Rule 9-15) And if the school is from

out of state, the school must be a member in good standing in its state high school athletic

associations and the round-trip mileage shall not exceed 600 miles from the Indiana state line.

(Rules 9-15, 10-1, 10-1.1)

The reason that Indiana schools will not allow KY middle school wrestlers to wrestle against high school wrestlers in Indiana is due to insurance reasons. This is also from the IHSAA by-laws:

9-15

No games in Association recognized sports shall be played with high schools of this state or any other

state that have been suspended from membership in the state association or suspended from participation

in that sport. This rule does not prevent a member of the Association from playing high schools outside of

the state, nor from playing non-high school teams and non-member high school teams within the state,

provided the following is understood:

a. their liability insurance may not cover such contests;

b. the IHSAA cannot and will not sanction such games, nor will they be responsible for crowd control

or any damages, liabilities or injuries growing out of or in any way connected with such events;

c. that any such games shall be included in the maximum number of contests limitation permitted by the

IHSAA;

d. points scored, etc. shall not be kept as part of the official records of the IHSAA; and

e. there shall be no forfeiture fee if all contracts become null and void.

140: Chase Rusch NO #14 pinned Josh Moss Harr Co today in 2nd period.  Was leading by 6 before he stuck him.

It happened to us once with a Indiana team that wanted to come to KY for a dual. During the dual they approached me about one of his wrestlers not being able to wrestler our MS kid. Which at the time was Josh Johnson. Because it was his decision not to wrestle, I told him that it would be a forfeit against him because in KY 7th graders could wrestle varsity. The coach didn't like it but what could he do. Needless to say we beat them pretty bad and they never came back.

To summarize, If we are in Indiana we follow there rules, when in KY they should follow are rules.

It happened to us once with a Indiana team that wanted to come to KY for a dual. During the dual they approached me about one of his wrestlers not being able to wrestler our MS kid. Which at the time was Josh Johnson. Because it was his decision not to wrestle, I told him that it would be a forfeit against him because in KY 7th graders could wrestle varsity. The coach didn't like it but what could he do. Needless to say we beat them pretty bad and they never came back.

To summarize, If we are in Indiana we follow there rules, when in KY they should follow are rules.

I think the Indiana coach just did not understand the IHSAA by-law. The IHSAA does allow Indiana wrestlers to wrestle against middle school kids from KY.

Can you move the IHSAA discussion. This is our Rankings forum.

Zach Pitman will be wrestling 135 as soon as he can get down and david dickson will be at 112 at caldwell this weekend

Aaron House 215 and Steven House HWT of North Hardin have been pullin off big upsets this year. This weekend Aaron House pinned Evan Decker and beat Menes McNealy in OT in the finals. Steven House also dominated Brandon Hamilton this weekend pinning him. Both won the tournament.

a couple noteable wins and close wins yesterday were 103 zach heck un ranked went all the way to the finals to almost beat romel giddens the joey henderson beat james huffine 9 to 5 then kenny richerson got 4th and was seeded last at 140 nick waits beat dustin thomas frm cchs for 3 and 4th then at 160 mike clark beat prston shoopman 11 to 4  then of coruse the 2 house boys running though there wait classes both very good guys and wrestlers

thats funny it says even decker won the tourney at 189 dint think the that house boy beat him

My bad scrath that  :-D

Aaron House 215 and Steven House HWT of North Hardin have been pullin off big upsets this year. This weekend Aaron House pinned Evan Decker and beat Menes McNealy in OT in the finals. Steven House also dominated Brandon Hamilton this weekend pinning him. Both won the tournament.

House did not pin Evan Decker. Decker won the tournament at 189.

You have 2 people ranked at 171 for Campbell County

I went to this years lonesome invitational and there was this kid who went to the finals named zac evans from central high school, and he wrestles 160. Now even though he wrestled against 2nd ranked Cameron from seneca, he did one hell of a job and i believe he is going to surprise some people this year so look out for him, and i believe he should be ranked top 25.

matt lafollette is 189 and evan decker is 189 now

eddie gagnon from pt beat joe rupp from eastern at the king of the bluegrass.

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