Who all is goin?(list would be nice)

I know this a big tourny so what does every one think will happen

Central will be there.

Ryle

Trinity

Woodford Co

North Oldham

Southern

Lafayette

St. Xavier

Eastern

Oldham Co

Central

Simon Kenton

this is all i know of

i belive john hardin is going also

Favorites in each wt. class?

119 will be loaded with bradbury hall bracco and brytant

119 

1  Tri  Myron Bradbury  12

2  Ryle  Mark Hall  7

3  Laf  Will Bryant  11

4  Old Co  Tyler Kaelin  10

5  Wood Co  Robert Bracco  12

6  Sou  Zack Tucker  11

7  TC  Brandon Abney  12

8  Scott  Ritchie Supe  11

im pretty sure that all these guys are gunna be there at 19 thats pretty wild  :-o

Looks like Bradbury and Hall in the finals.  Should  be a great match.

well u wuld think that either one of them could get upset but as of right now they are the favorits but iam goin with robert bracco to win it

I don't know Bradbury's record at this point but Hall has been through the gauntlet this year in Ohio and has lost 2 matches.  One to Bradbury and one to Brascetta of Graham.  I don't see him getting upset.  He beat Bracco in the Raider Rumble by a small margin and I expect another win there.  Good luck though.

from what i have seen the top three or four are a level above the rest, will be good to see how it goes

tyler kaelin could possibly upset anyone of those two wrestlers, kaelin is really tough

is tates creek going to be there?

is tates creek going to be there?

nope

45 is a pretty stacked weight class

45 is a pretty stacked weight class

i wouldn't count Jared Yocum out of the 119 class. he showed a little potential against bracco.

145

Alfredo Gonzalez and Grant Olhmann in the finals

140 is stacked, in my opinion...

i can see the finals-Thomson and Herald

but i'd look out for Courtney, he's young but tough and pulls upsets all over.

135 should be interesting too

yes i wish we could go to this tournment 119 140 135 and 130 will all be good weight classes to watch

i wouldn't count Jared Yocum out of the 119 class. he showed a little potential against bracco.

145

Alfredo Gonzalez and Grant Olhmann in the finals

140 is stacked, in my opinion...

i can see the finals-Thomson and Herald

but i'd look out for Courtney, he's young but tough and pulls upsets all over.

I don't see Herald getting past Roland.  Just sayin.

If Whalen HC is at 145, I think he will be in the finals with Olhmann.  Unless they are on the same side of the brackett.  I will go with Olhmann.

What about Bolog from Ryle he is ranked #7 I haven't seen him wrestle but he's doing something right and you know he has faced some tough competition with the schedule that Ryle has.

also throw in chase rusch kid work hard dude tell u that he will suprise u

sounds like good semi-finals.

This is only 11 schools listed. I think there is more than that. Anyone involved with the tournament have a complete list of school sthat will be there?

its the dragon all weight classes are pretty stacked.

also throw in chase rusch kid work hard dude tell u that he will suprise u

Rusch is at 135 now

Rusch is at 135 now

Was Rusch at Region 5 Duals?

Was Rusch at Region 5 Duals?

He was but didn't wrestle.  I talked to him for a minute before our dual with North.  He said he wasn't wrestling that day because his back was injured, but that he planned on being back out on the mat soon.  I was glad to hear it, regional rivals aside--Chase is fun to watch wrestle.

He was but didn't wrestle.  I talked to him for a minute before our dual with North.  He said he wasn't wrestling that day because his back was injured, but that he planned on being back out on the mat soon.  I was glad to hear it, regional rivals aside--Chase is fun to watch wrestle.

Thanks for the compliment coach. 

He only wrestled one match, versus South oldham.

I don't see Herald getting past Roland.  Just sayin.

when was the last time you saw herald wrestle?

when was the last time you saw herald wrestle?

on 12/2 when he wrestled Roland. 

" on 12/2 when he wrestled Roland"

where and what was the outcome of that match?

" on 12/2 when he wrestled Roland"

where and what was the outcome of that match?

It was not the Rumble.  I believe it was a dual meet.  Ryle 58 SK 12  Roland won 4-2.  May have been everyone's first match of the season.  Roland has taken his wrestling to a new level this year.  Very strong very quick.

team list

cooper

simon kenton

holy cross

scott high

bishop brossart

trinity

woodford

St x

southern

south oldham A and B

Ryle

Oldham A and B

North Oldham A and B

lafayette

J-town

John Hardin

Henry Clay

Eastern

Connor

Central

i was trying to get our team in there but i dont know what happen didnt get to talk to the coach really wanted to get in there but hey win them all......

can anyone get a hold of the coach that is running  this onv. and tell him to contact the shawnee coach if you dont mind.

It was not the Rumble.  I believe it was a dual meet.  Ryle 58 SK 12  Roland won 4-2.  May have been everyone's first match of the season.  Roland has taken his wrestling to a new level this year.  Very strong very quick.

i agree, he's improved greatly. i guess we'll see who shows up to wrestle..

JH Josh Johnson 1st

Ryle Conner Coyle 2nd

Cen Omar Jarvis 4th

SO Cole Proctor 5th

Coop. Matt Brewer 6th

Wood Co. Brain White 7th

HC Joe Whalen 9th

N.Old Andrew Siladi 16th

Eastern Tom Rupp 19th

Old co. Jeb Ayers 28th

SK Michel Beers 31st

Is there a more ranked weight class in the tournament? This is gonna be a war any predictions?

JH Josh Johnson 1st

Ryle Conner Coyle 2nd

Cen Omar Jarvis 4th

SO Cole Proctor 5th

Coop. Matt Brewer 6th

Wood Co. Brain White 7th

HC Joe Whalen 9th

N.Old Andrew Siladi 16th

Eastern Tom Rupp 19th

Old co. Jeb Ayers 28th

SK Michel Beers 31st

Is there a more ranked weight class in the tournament? This is gonna be a war any predictions?

152 pound some of the top wrestlers in the state

JH Josh Johnson 1st

Ryle Conner Coyle 2nd

Cen Omar Jarvis 4th

SO Cole Proctor 5th

Coop. Matt Brewer 6th

Wood Co. Brain White 7th

HC Joe Whalen 9th

N.Old Andrew Siladi 16th

Eastern Tom Rupp 19th

Old co. Jeb Ayers 28th

SK Michel Beers 31st

Is there a more ranked weight class in the tournament? This is gonna be a war any predictions?

152 pound some of the top wrestlers in the state

1  Tri  Myron Bradbury  12

2  Ryle  Mark Hall  7

3  Laf  Will Bryant  11

4  Old Co  Tyler Kaelin  10

5  Wood Co  Robert Bracco  12

6  Sou  Zack Tucker  11

8  Scott  Ritchie Supe  11

12  SO  Nathaniel Long  9

13  Eas  Tyler Lancaster  10

17  SK  Alex Brown  9

23  Coop  Logan Jones  8

where is holy cross is that ohio?????

Who's favored at 160?

If everyone makes weight and healthly, I think 119 is tougher than 52.

Johnson will win 52, the finals of 19, Bradbury and Hall is a toss up.

I'll pick Bradbury :-o Myron don't let me down. :-(

can anyone get a hold of the coach that is running  this onv. and tell him to contact the shawnee coach if you dont mind.

Go to khsaa.org.  Under wrestling, it will have a list of the current coaches for each school and their contact info.  I don't know if Coach Fiser would let you in on such late notice, but good luck anyway.

152 is stacked,but from what i hear whalen is going to be at 145.  Still nothing like 119 is going to be, it might as well be state for them.

152lb  Conner Coyle  by 2 in the ticket round.

152lb  Conner Coyle  by 2 in the ticket round.

Your crazy. Johnson by 5.

anybody know the projected start time for this tournament??? Typical 9 or 10 am start???

9 AM start time (hopefully)

152lb  Conner Coyle  by 2 in the ticket round.

i dont think coyle can keep up with the speed of johnson

we will see

140 is stacked, in my opinion...

i can see the finals-Thomson and Herald

WOW! 140 sure what a HUGE upset, not one person predicted Jones in final.

Great job Jones!

anyone have the results of the final matches?

Some results I saw:

112- Ruschell beat JTown kid, dominated him

119- Hall beat Bradbury, close match

140- Thomson beat Jones, close match

Good matches

- Jones vs Herald, dominated him

- Shirey vs Honeycutt- will someone call stalling on honeycuttt?

- Frost vs Pugh, frost moves too quick for a big guy

- Hendren vs Jarvis- OT match, Hendren won it

- Decker from Southern awesome firemans

some results that i know

103-norberry over giddens (weakest weight class of the tourney but good win for norberry)

119-hall over bradburry in 4ot (unless your a ryle fan, ky needs bradburry to win the state tourney, trust me myron i think the entire state will be behind you.)

140-thompson over jones by 1 (jones is the real deal as a 9th grader, solid technician)

152-coyle over johnson 5-0 , johnson is a much better wrestler , just giving up too much weight and needs to put on at least 5lbs or go back to 145, if he does either of these he will be state champ.

how did travis k do

Bradbury's a good kid, but why does the state need him to win the title?

how did travis k do

He won but I am not  sure he he if he wrestled in the finals or not.  Maybe a forfeit in the finals.  Might need some confirmation on that.

He won but I am not  sure he he if he wrestled in the finals or not.  Maybe a forfeit in the finals.  Might need some confirmation on that.

Bradbury's a good kid, but why does the state need him to win the title?

good question. first off, you have to know the whole story with hall to get where i am coming from and i assumed that it was well known. if you dont know then i will share and this is coming directly from his father. first, mark hall is a great kid and his folks are good people. they moved here from michigan and will move back for when mark is a freshman. they are using ky as a minor league of sorts. not all bad ,perfectly legal,and as mark has proved he is phenom and i believe he is a true 7th grader and not a redshirt as they call it in other states. i will list what i think are the pros and cons of this.

cons

1. if you read the forums from states like ohio,indiana,and michigan you will see that they have slammed ky for having noone in the state to challenge him (there was no mention of a kid named bradbury who had beaten him already), this is eroding alot of the good progress we have made nationally in terms of respect.

2. opening of the flood gates. i have spoken to at least 3 ohio middle school parents who are seriously considering moving there kid to ky for their last 1 or 2 middle school years. do we really want to be a minor league for ohio,indiana, and michigan ?

3. taking quality mat time away from a ky kid (who plans on staying in ky anyhow)on his own team, probably a bit discouraging if your that kid. especially on ryles team with ozzi at 125 and ruschell at 112. this kid might be awful or he might be really good, i dont know who their jv is , but if he were to be a senior and not a bad wrestler, that would suck. where would he find a spot in that lineup. if he is younger, yes the wrestling room is better, but i would think hall is there making their starters better and not there jv.

pros

1.only one. he is making ryles starters better which will then force other top wrestlers in the state to step up there game to get better. this is a good thing from that standpoint.

so i dont know for sure how to take this but i do know if he was planning on staying for the long haul i would welcome him with open arms as it definitely would be a very good thing for our state, but this 2 yr deal for a seventh grader is a little concerning. jeff jordan has move ins and it makes all of ohio better, but they stay till graduation. do you think paris graham would allow a shortimer on there team? i do know that myron is the only one in the state who can challenge him and if myron wins we wont be veiwed as the state that is equal to others middle school programs. besides, if he wins he is just going to throw his ky state title medal under all of his other championship middle school and youth medals and move on to high school in michigan where they think it really matters. hope that answered your question.

Team finish

so wait did supe beat cooper and was it a good match

In 215 Trinity won by forfeit not pin.  Conway broke hand was unable to wrestle for 3rd.

so wait did supe beat cooper and was it a good match

Opposite brackets Cooper was a 4 seed.  He lost in the quarters to McCall.  Good match taking nothing away from anyone but Cooper has been hurt and just returned to practice this past week.

Opposite brackets Cooper was a 4 seed.  He lost in the quarters to McCall.  Good match taking nothing away from anyone but Cooper has been hurt and just returned to practice this past week.

Seriously why do people always have to qualify wins with "he was just getting back, or he was sick, or he had a bum elbow"

Does anyone ever beat someone who is actually healthy?

Seriously why do people always have to qualify wins with "he was just getting back, or he was sick, or he had a bum elbow"

Does anyone ever beat someone who is actually healthy?

I don't have a dog in this fight.  If you read the entire quote it said "not taking anything away from anyone".  Cooper was winning the match and got gassed and beaten in the third period.  He had an ankle injury to the point that he was in a walking boot the past 3 or so weeks.  I talked to him after the tournament and he made no excuse for himself whatsoever.  That being said it was obvious to me that he was not on the top of his game at this point but knowing the Cooper legacy that will be a shortlived.  Barring death or amputation, I expect him to be ready to go at regionals.  If everyone had the intensity, ferocity and tenacity that Kevin Cooper has on the wrestling mat there would have to be a mop on the side of the mat to clean up the blood shed following each match..

good question. first off, you have to know the whole story with hall to get where i am coming from and i assumed that it was well known. if you dont know then i will share and this is coming directly from his father. first, mark hall is a great kid and his folks are good people. they moved here from michigan and will move back for when mark is a freshman. they are using ky as a minor league of sorts. not all bad ,perfectly legal,and as mark has proved he is phenom and i believe he is a true 7th grader and not a redshirt as they call it in other states. i will list what i think are the pros and cons of this.

cons

1. if you read the forums from states like ohio,indiana,and michigan you will see that they have slammed ky for having noone in the state to challenge him (there was no mention of a kid named bradbury who had beaten him already), this is eroding alot of the good progress we have made nationally in terms of respect.

2. opening of the flood gates. i have spoken to at least 3 ohio middle school parents who are seriously considering moving there kid to ky for their last 1 or 2 middle school years. do we really want to be a minor league for ohio,indiana, and michigan ?

3. taking quality mat time away from a ky kid (who plans on staying in ky anyhow)on his own team, probably a bit discouraging if your that kid. especially on ryles team with ozzi at 125 and ruschell at 112. this kid might be awful or he might be really good, i dont know who their jv is , but if he were to be a senior and not a bad wrestler, that would suck. where would he find a spot in that lineup. if he is younger, yes the wrestling room is better, but i would think hall is there making their starters better and not there jv.

pros

1.only one. he is making ryles starters better which will then force other top wrestlers in the state to step up there game to get better. this is a good thing from that standpoint.

so i dont know for sure how to take this but i do know if he was planning on staying for the long haul i would welcome him with open arms as it definitely would be a very good thing for our state, but this 2 yr deal for a seventh grader is a little concerning. jeff jordan has move ins and it makes all of ohio better, but they stay till graduation. do you think paris graham would allow a shortimer on there team? i do know that myron is the only one in the state who can challenge him and if myron wins we wont be veiwed as the state that is equal to others middle school programs. besides, if he wins he is just going to throw his ky state title medal under all of his other championship middle school and youth medals and move on to high school in michigan where they think it really matters. hope that answered your question.

My coaches brother is the Davision coach in Michigan. From what he said, there not to happy about it. Coach said that he was told that he will be leaving after the season to play football in Michigan and return again in the fall to wrestle. All so his dad can brag that his son is a 6x state champ. I also hope bradberry can take this away from him at state.

i think next year this needs to be a 2 day tourney, maybe wrestling friday night and then all day saturday, its not fair to the kids who get drawn for pigtails matches then maybe end up with the 1 or 2 seed after that then only get to wrestle to get to the 7th and 8th match and have to forfeit there due to the 5 match rule, give the kids a chance to wrestle for 3rd n 4th also

i think next year this needs to be a 2 day tourney, maybe wrestling friday night and then all day saturday, its not fair to the kids who get drawn for pigtails matches then maybe end up with the 1 or 2 seed after that then only get to wrestle to get to the 7th and 8th match and have to forfeit there due to the 5 match rule, give the kids a chance to wrestle for 3rd n 4th also

Wrestling is suppose to teach "life lessons". Let me share a universal truth. Life is not fair. Don't lose and you need not worry about it.

This is one of the, if not the best run tournament in the state.

good question. first off, you have to know the whole story with hall to get where i am coming from and i assumed that it was well known. if you dont know then i will share and this is coming directly from his father. first, mark hall is a great kid and his folks are good people. they moved here from michigan and will move back for when mark is a freshman. they are using ky as a minor league of sorts. not all bad ,perfectly legal,and as mark has proved he is phenom and i believe he is a true 7th grader and not a redshirt as they call it in other states. i will list what i think are the pros and cons of this.

cons

1. if you read the forums from states like ohio,indiana,and michigan you will see that they have slammed ky for having noone in the state to challenge him (there was no mention of a kid named bradbury who had beaten him already), this is eroding alot of the good progress we have made nationally in terms of respect.

2. opening of the flood gates. i have spoken to at least 3 ohio middle school parents who are seriously considering moving there kid to ky for their last 1 or 2 middle school years. do we really want to be a minor league for ohio,indiana, and michigan ?

3. taking quality mat time away from a ky kid (who plans on staying in ky anyhow)on his own team, probably a bit discouraging if your that kid. especially on ryles team with ozzi at 125 and ruschell at 112. this kid might be awful or he might be really good, i dont know who their jv is , but if he were to be a senior and not a bad wrestler, that would suck. where would he find a spot in that lineup. if he is younger, yes the wrestling room is better, but i would think hall is there making their starters better and not there jv.

pros

1.only one. he is making ryles starters better which will then force other top wrestlers in the state to step up there game to get better. this is a good thing from that standpoint.

so i dont know for sure how to take this but i do know if he was planning on staying for the long haul i would welcome him with open arms as it definitely would be a very good thing for our state, but this 2 yr deal for a seventh grader is a little concerning. jeff jordan has move ins and it makes all of ohio better, but they stay till graduation. do you think paris graham would allow a shortimer on there team? i do know that myron is the only one in the state who can challenge him and if myron wins we wont be veiwed as the state that is equal to others middle school programs. besides, if he wins he is just going to throw his ky state title medal under all of his other championship middle school and youth medals and move on to high school in michigan where they think it really matters. hope that answered your question.

I have watched this kid wrestle only a few times in Ohio, But he has beaten numerous OHIO state places and wrestled the #1 Kid (Brascetta - Graham) in the nation at 119 very tough even though the score did not show it. What he is doing is perfectly within the rules of KY state wrestling. You welcome 7 and 8 graders every year, but when one comes around that is just outstanding you blast him.

1. He is not eroding nation respect in KY. This is a sport that if you want respect you earn it. I have not read heard one person in Ohio asking why KY does not have anyone to beat him, because as far as I have seen there is only ONE OHio kid that has beat him. Can he win a state title in Ohio, I seriously doubt it, but he would be a top six.

2. If you heard of Ohio parents moving their kid to KY to wrestle high school in 7th and 8th grade, then you better inform them that they will lose 2 years of eligiblity, becuase Ohio rules say that you can only have 4 years of high school wrestling.

3. Again this is sport where you earn your spot. win the wrestle off and you have a spot..

Enough said. this kid is the real deal, and I think everyone enjoys watching him for the next two year. Even if he does not win a stte title this year

Your posting on here just confirms what Floridafan is saying relative to national preceptions. No one blast Joe Carr Jr, Harrison Courtney, Brock Ervin as middle schoolers wrestling up. Apparently, OHSAA agrees that this creates a less that optimal situation. Kentucky has been working hard to improve. It looks as though we need to change our rules too if we ever look to be on par with the likes of great wrestling states like Ohio. I have yet to meet anyone here that has said a single disparaging thing about him as an individual. Should he continue his career in the Bluegrass I think you will see the entire Commonwealth embrace him. It is unfortunate that a little boy will feel the backdraft of a father's ego.

I agree with your "earning respect" argument. How can we do that when out-of-staters take advantage of some rules and possibly opportunities from residents?

heyyou1-00

obviously you have a reading comprehension issue, a simple dose of ritalin may fix this. or maybe you just have a comunication problem, sorry no fix for this in pill form.  maybe this  subject is a little personal for you. bottom line, you have poorly defended your position on this. first the ohio ruling is only if you live and wrestle in ohio , you are not penalized for being varsity in a state as a 7th and 8th grader and then move into ohio as a freshman. you still get your 4 eligible years of varsity time. secondly, if you would of read the post better, i am not blasting him for being an awesome 7th grader beating up true high schoolers, but i was clearly pointing out the fact that he was on a 2 yr contract by design and then leaving to mighty michigan. i never once claimed anything was illegal, in fact i used the exact terms "perfectly legal". i also hardly doubt this could be considered blasting the kid, i am sure he didnt beg his dad to leave his freinds and move to union ky .

in my next post i will include an english to ryle translation, or maybe an english to michigan translation, you pick which one will help you understand better.

could care less about this entire Hall situation.  I think it is incredible he is that good and that young!!  However for his plan to work, a school has to accept him and let him wrestle.  It is now different than all the basketball and football and baseball transfers we have going on within our own state!!!

This topic has been discussed in the past but coming from someone fairly close to the situation, I would make this comment.  Mark Hall is not allowed to even practice with the varsity wrestling team in Michigan.  Wrestling most middle schoolers is a waste of time since there are only a few wrestlers in even Ryle's varsity practice that can challenge Mark although their are a few who can.  So for this reason it was necessary to turn to alternatives for bettering himself.  Is this a viable option for most people?  Of course not.  But this is not an ordinary situation.

Maybe it isn't the Mark Halls of the world who are wrong. They are working within the boundaries that they have been given.  Maybe it is society as a whole that wants to essentially dumb down everything to a level of mediocrity that has placed us behind half the world in terms of education, technology and the rest.  Maybe we should learn to embrace these talented people in any venue and find ways that we can cultivate their gifts.  Many people think that these so called "gifts" just fell into these individuals laps. Further investigation reveals that most and almost all the time this is not true.  Read the book  Talent is Overratedand see theses incredible people spent many  many years refining their skills. 

Such is the case  for Mark Hall who has been wrestling for about eight years with an average of over 200 matches .  How many matches do you wrestle in any given  year? How good  would you therefore be  if that (200) was the case?

Mark is now a part of the Ryle family and we treat him as one of our own.  I am sure that Myron Bradbury has some renewed fire to take his game to a higher level and prove that  he is the best  in the state .

The only disappointments that come to my mind are

1) the fact that 7-8 graders in Kentucky, who actually LIVE here, born and raised here, but go to private school feeder programs like St. X and Trinity are NOT allowed to compete with their high schools and

2) if a kentucky high school drops its program on its wrestlers, they can't transfer to other schools without a one year penalty. We penalize our own KY kids all the time, and Hall gets a free pass to show up part time. Sure, it's legal and all. I just think some of these rules should be ironed out a bit.

are there any videos from the dragon?

Where was Fahy?

heyyou1-00

obviously you have a reading comprehension issue, a simple dose of ritalin may fix this. or maybe you just have a comunication problem, sorry no fix for this in pill form.  maybe this  subject is a little personal for you. bottom line, you have poorly defended your position on this. first the ohio ruling is only if you live and wrestle in ohio , you are not penalized for being varsity in a state as a 7th and 8th grader and then move into ohio as a freshman. you still get your 4 eligible years of varsity time. secondly, if you would of read the post better, i am not blasting him for being an awesome 7th grader beating up true high schoolers, but i was clearly pointing out the fact that he was on a 2 yr contract by design and then leaving to mighty michigan. i never once claimed anything was illegal, in fact i used the exact terms "perfectly legal". i also hardly doubt this could be considered blasting the kid, i am sure he didnt beg his dad to leave his freinds and move to union ky .

in my next post i will include an english to ryle translation, or maybe an english to michigan translation, you pick which one will help you understand better.

Mr. Bradbury (kidding),

Thanks for the advice on reading comprehension, they also have help for anger management, which you should look into. I defended myself simply on what you posted.

1) he is eroding KY wrestling.

    *simply put I have never follewed nor cared about KY wrestling until this year when I saw him beat multiple state placers from ohio. Hardly seems like a eroding wrestling to me

2) OH middle schoolers will move to KY for 2 years

    *you need to go back and read the rules again in ohio, as I have been informed he will only have 2 years of wrestling should you use 2 years in KY. If I am mistaken, then this kid will be making a detour on his way to michigan to a small little town called St. Paris. Yes, I do think Jordan would even take him with only 2 years left.

3) Taking someone elses spot.

  *win your wrestle off and you have a spot. Pretty simple.

Do I think it is right to use ryle for 2 years, no. But in this sport  we see players trade teams all the time. He will not be the first or the last. By the way I have no ties to KY wrestling or Ryle.

Typed this on a blackberry so I apologize for any grammer errors, plus I have not attended that reading comprehension class

I have no personal interest in the Hall situation.  But I have said all along since I have come to KY that I didn't particularly care for kids being able to wrestle varsity as middle school kids and my point of contention is that it is not fair to the kids to wrestle varsity as 7th and 8th graders because it is an unfair advantage to them when it comes to the becoming actual high school kids, and they face a kid that has transferred in and has no high school experience but that is my personal opinion.  But I understand that some schools also need the middle schoolers to keep their programs afloat.  So I'm torn on this issue, but if Ryle has accepted the fact that this kid is great for their program who am I to argue, I just can't wait to see him on the mat and check him out

heyyou, mr bradbury would never complain about hall, he and myron are both too classy for that. i am quite abit north east of louisville and not near as classy. i was pointing out the situation as it stands with kids using ky for a feeder program into their home states and whether or not this was good or bad, hence the pros and cons structure of my statement. as far as the anger management goes, i will once again refer you take a reading class, this time its "analytical reading for dummies", because a better analyzation of my comments would of showed a smart elic approach instead of the angry approach you suggested. i will now include the ohsaa bylaws for your viewing pleasure.

4-3-3 After a student completes the eighth grade, or is otherwise eligible for high school athletics

pursuant to Bylaw 4-2-3, the student shall be eligible for a period not to exceed eight semesters

taken in order of attendance, whether the student participates or not. A student in grade

7 or 8 who attains the age of 15 before August 1 shall be eligible only at the high school

level for a period not to exceed eight semesters taken in order of attendance, whether the

student participates or not.

so what this says is unless he turned 15  before august 1 during his 7th and 8th grade year then he is eligible for all 8 continous semesters during his high school career beginning his 9th grade. so unless mark hall meets this ohsaa requirements and is the age of a normal 7th grader, he and others could go to ohio and be eligible for 8 semesters after wrestling 2 yrs varsity in ky during their middle school careers.

finally, i cannot speak for jeff jordan, but i believe he would take mark hall his 11th and 12th grade years but would turn him down if he was only willing to compete his 9th and 10th.

what if union and trinity (if the school allowed) started borrowing 7th and 8th graders from indiana on this 2 year plan? this is a bad precedent for wrestling in ky. i will say it one last time, if any kid was a move in and had full intentions to wrestle through the 12th grade, this wouldnt be a topic.

but mark is frm michgan y wuld have to the ohio rules just wondering

Did Mack Logsdon compete?

but mark is frm michgan y wuld have to the ohio rules just wondering

Matrat, step away from the computer due to big words being used. Your head might explode.

very true just trying to lightin the mood  :-D :-D :-D :mrgreen:

getting back to the Dragon Inv. No Logston from Woodford did not compete

heyyou, mr bradbury would never complain about hall, he and myron are both too classy for that. i am quite abit north east of louisville and not near as classy. i was pointing out the situation as it stands with kids using ky for a feeder program into their home states and whether or not this was good or bad, hence the pros and cons structure of my statement. as far as the anger management goes, i will once again refer you take a reading class, this time its "analytical reading for dummies", because a better analyzation of my comments would of showed a smart elic approach instead of the angry approach you suggested. i will now include the ohsaa bylaws for your viewing pleasure.

4-3-3 After a student completes the eighth grade, or is otherwise eligible for high school athletics

pursuant to Bylaw 4-2-3, the student shall be eligible for a period not to exceed eight semesters

taken in order of attendance, whether the student participates or not. A student in grade

7 or 8 who attains the age of 15 before August 1 shall be eligible only at the high school

level for a period not to exceed eight semesters taken in order of attendance, whether the

student participates or not.

so what this says is unless he turned 15  before august 1 during his 7th and 8th grade year then he is eligible for all 8 continous semesters during his high school career beginning his 9th grade. so unless mark hall meets this ohsaa requirements and is the age of a normal 7th grader, he and others could go to ohio and be eligible for 8 semesters after wrestling 2 yrs varsity in ky during their middle school careers.

finally, i cannot speak for jeff jordan, but i believe he would take mark hall his 11th and 12th grade years but would turn him down if he was only willing to compete his 9th and 10th.

what if union and trinity (if the school allowed) started borrowing 7th and 8th graders from indiana on this 2 year plan? this is a bad precedent for wrestling in ky. i will say it one last time, if any kid was a move in and had full intentions to wrestle through the 12th grade, this wouldnt be a topic.

You my friend have a much better understanding of the OHSAA rules than any other ohio coach that I have talked to, because all that I have talked to have stated that he will only be able to compete for 2 years.

I agree with you about borrowing wrestlers, not really a good for KY wrestling. This kid has a chance to be one of the best ever. Now I know that is a brash statement, but lets face it he is good, darn good. This kid has seeked out good competion to get better where alot of the time in this sport we see wrestlers bumping up and cutting weight to avoid the best wrestlers around, you have to commend him for that. I am not saying that the 2 year plan is right, but if he is to wrestle JR high now he would destroy his fellow wreslters. I think him wrestling varsity as a 7th grader is great, and his success is even better. It will not only make him better. but KY wrestling as a whole better.

Enough said, we will could battle this out all night, but I think that we both have our opinions and even though they are different they are both good. We can agree to disagree, no hard feelings..

My Mr. Bradbury comment was not a dig at the Bradburys, I was just being quick witted. I am sure they are very classy people

where was fahy?  Interesting question.

Prob.....weight. having a hard time makin weight...waiting for regionals and state.

i heard he was at a national tourny

coney island.      8-)

where was fahy?  Interesting question.

Prob.....weight. having a hard time makin weight...waiting for regionals and state.

Truth be told, Given the fact John has already beaten antone worth of his mat  time; he went to coach his younger brother at Middle School Regions,  Fahy, has been secretly training at the Olympic training facility so he can bump up and beat Hall.  Coach Brown, Sorry for letting your security out ; but, everyone should know that you are going to bump all your kids up and have John Beat this Michigander and prove KY kids are better.  Happy you have the little Fahy to go 12.  You are a Genius. 

Have you told anyone about about the three incoming freshman from Iowa that are transferring :wink:  They have to be pretty good considering that Blair and Graham were recruiting them.  OH NO this wasn't a PM its open source. :cry:

The only disappointments that come to my mind are

1) the fact that 7-8 graders in Kentucky, who actually LIVE here, born and raised here, but go to private school feeder programs like St. X and Trinity are NOT allowed to compete with their high schools and

2) if a kentucky high school drops its program on its wrestlers, they can't transfer to other schools without a one year penalty. We penalize our own KY kids all the time, and Hall gets a free pass to show up part time. Sure, it's legal and all. I just think some of these rules should be ironed out a bit.

I agree whole heartedly.  The fact of the matter is that all rules or laws must be reviewed and updated as situations dictate.  These type of rules are made up with good intention but sometimes they fall short of their objectives. 

Truth be told, Given the fact John has already beaten antone worth of his mat  time; he went to coach his younger brother at Middle School Regions,  Fahy, has been secretly training at the Olympic training facility so he can bump up and beat Hall.  Coach Brown, Sorry for letting your security out ; but, everyone should know that you are going to bump all your kids up and have John Beat this Michigander and prove KY kids are better.  Happy you have the little Fahy to go 12.  You are a Genius. 

Have you told anyone about about the three incoming freshman from Iowa that are transferring :wink:  They have to be pretty good considering that Blair and Graham were recruiting them.  OH NO this wasn't a PM its open source. :cry:

then where would myron go? im all for trying to make kentucky look better but that would hurt his team...

then where would myron go? im all for trying to make kentucky look better but that would hurt his team...

Myron will go 125 in place of 9  Tri  Brandon Birk  11

130 will remain Bret Hitchings.

I believe coach Brown is even considering moving Brad Hitchin's up to 189 to beat Ray from Larue to keep them from getting the extra placement points in the head to head battle..

Myron will go 125 in place of 9  Tri  Brandon Birk  11

130 will remain Bret Hitchings.

thats nice of him to kick his buddy of the team and send his other buddy to wrestle oz.

glade im not his friend

thats nice of him to kick his buddy of the team and send his other buddy to wrestle oz.

glade im not his friend

This is about a ring; and why Coach Brown was hired :wink: not  friendships; join the local YMCA if you need a friend.  You have the rest of your life to make friends. :evil:

Myron will go 125 in place of 9  Tri  Brandon Birk  11

130 will remain Bret Hitchings.

BTW Birk will get a ring as well. :-D

This is about a ring; and why Coach Brown was hired :wink: not  friendships; join the local YMCA if you need a friend.  You have the rest of your life to make friends. :evil:

your right it would be much easier to win a ring at 119 then a weight he has been dominating

very true just trying to lightin the mood  :-D :-D :-D :mrgreen:

Is that only because you can handle light things? You need to hit the gym and learn how to use spell check. :-D :-D :-D

your right it would be much easier to win a ring at 119 then a weight he has been dominating

That's why Coach Brown was hired to win Championships at Trinity and make tough hard decision, sometimes even hurting Mom's, Dad's feeling about their little wrestler :evil:

Is that only because you can handle light things? You need to hit the gym and learn how to use spell check. :-D :-D :-D

Caught up with the Blogg. :-o

woow okkkk makke funn of mi grammer aww u wanta i coud give a crpa lesssss ahahahahahahaha :mrgreen: :-D

That's why Coach Brown was hired to win Championships at Trinity and make tough hard decision, sometimes even hurting Mom's, Dad's feeling about their little wrestler :evil:

guess you cant scene the sarcasm. it would be harded for him and his team

woow okkkk makke funn of mi grammer aww u wanta i coud give a crpa lesssss ahahahahahahaha :mrgreen: :-D

Matrat do your home work and go to bed :wink:

sounds good hahaha  :-D

sounds good hahaha  :-D

So is it true you aren't strong enough to pin the kid you had in the finals :-o

Do 100 push ups before you go to bed :-D

i will every night before i go to bed now promise

i will every night before i go to bed now promise

NO NO NO !!!

Not push-ups,you need those when your on your back. Do push-downs so you can get the other guy on his back for the PIN!!!  :-D :-D :-D

Eville Dad,

What is your take on the Trinity-Ryle situation with 119 :?

The kid must be really good, cant wait to see him.

I'm not to worried about Ky becoming a proving ground for middle schoolers from out of state.

1) Few families are obsessed enough to bother with moving for such a reason

2) few kids are good enough to pull it off, from what I've read this young man is the exception to the rule and KY wrestling is better than people give it credit.

I know the folks at Trinity and I'm sure Myron will be working hard for their next meeting.

If Hall does go back to MI wrestle in HS, KY kids will be lucky because they will not have to wrestle him again till college. :oops: :-D :cry:

Back to my original comment- it seems Trinity would be happy to have Hall. The reason they would "turn him down" is because they aren't allowed to wrestle 7th graders on their team. Ryle is.

Either way, we are fortunite to see a great young wrestler that will be on TV in college or even higher if he choose too in 6-8 years.  Now we can all say we knew this guy and KY helped him get there. :wink:

Any school would be happy to get Mark.  He was truly amazing to watch.  His calmness is what stuck out to me.  Regardless of the position he was in , he never panicked.  I only wished he would stay in Kentucky because I do think he has a shot of being a 5 or 6 time State Champion.  It is not about what happens before region only after.  8-0 will get you a region and state championship.

This topic has been discussed in the past but coming from someone fairly close to the situation, I would make this comment.  Mark Hall is not allowed to even practice with the varsity wrestling team in Michigan.  Wrestling most middle schoolers is a waste of time since there are only a few wrestlers in even Ryle's varsity practice that can challenge Mark although their are a few who can.  So for this reason it was necessary to turn to alternatives for bettering himself.  Is this a viable option for most people?  Of course not.  But this is not an ordinary situation.

Maybe it isn't the Mark Halls of the world who are wrong. They are working within the boundaries that they have been given.  Maybe it is society as a whole that wants to essentially dumb down everything to a level of mediocrity that has placed us behind half the world in terms of education, technology and the rest.  Maybe we should learn to embrace these talented people in any venue and find ways that we can cultivate their gifts.  Many people think that these so called "gifts" just fell into these individuals laps. Further investigation reveals that most and almost all the time this is not true.  Read the book  Talent is Overratedand see theses incredible people spent many  many years refining their skills.

There

Tiger Woods is only the the most recent example.

Not if he had stayed single. :-D :-D :-D

I wouldnt be surprised if more kids moved into the Ryle district for the coaching. The Ryle program is one of the best in the area, (KY, IN, WV OH). They have a number of kids now go one to D1 schools and of course one thats ranked #2 in the country with Kyle Ruschell.

Its no fluke that they continue to turn in great season after great season and their kids consistently wrestle for championships. Coaching success develops a reputation and attracts talent, I would think kids from out of state would move to Ryle for the instrcction and guidance more than the competition or easy road to state titles.

Ranger what is your take on the whole Mark Hall situation?

Ranger what is your take on the whole Mark Hall situation?

He is a spectacular wrestler.  On the whole move in part of it, I will reserve public judgement until I see what happens over the next 12 months.  At this point it appears as though he and his family are simply taking advantage of an opportunity to compete at a high level against great competition and keep improving. 

He is a spectacular wrestler.  On the whole move in part of it, I will reserve public judgement until I see what happens over the next 12 months.  At this point it appears as though he and his family are simply taking advantage of an opportunity to compete at a high level against great competition and keep improving.

I agree. But doesn't it just seem that he is using our state? I mean he could be a 6 time state champion? Can you imagine?

so what happens if he doesnt win this year? think he will be back again next year?

But doesn't it just seem that he is using our state?

YES, and if the KHSAA (OUR state rules) allows it so be it. If you don't like it contact the KHSAA. If your worried that he will take a medal away from one of OUR KY kids then so be it. Or how about OUR KY kids just get better and be able to compete with some OUT of STATE 7th graders that just like to visit OUR KY Seniors :-o in the winter. :-D :cry: :wink:

YES, and if the KHSAA (OUR state rules) allows it so be it. If you don't like it contact the KHSAA. If your worried that he will take a medal away from one of OUR KY kids then so be it. Or how about OUR KY kids just get better and be able to compete with some OUT of STATE 7th graders that just like to visit OUR KY Seniors :-o in the winter. :-D :cry: :wink:

Yeah, as long as they follow the rules, it is what it is.  Get better and beat him or learn to live with it.

I don't think this hurts Ky wrestling "respect" at all.  The "respect" we have is minimal anyway,and will be until we get stronger thru out the state in all levels-youth,middle and high school. Therefore we can go to the power tournaments and earn it by having numerous contenders not just one here and there. He may be showing us the way we need to do it. And also to get state better we need the other sport coaches to realize how much wrestling will help their sport. Our numbers will grow along with competition.

I agree, at this point I don't think it is hurting KY credibility, because every weekend he is going to OH and handling some top competition there.  He has proven he can compete anywhere.

Can someone who was there give some info on the 152 final.  Did Johnson just have a really bad day.  I figured it would be close but I thought Johnson would have scored. 

Coyle beat him on his feet He had a takedown in the 1et and rode him out.  2nd period Johnson took neutral but couldn't get in. 3rd period coyle chose bottom. Johnson tried but couldn't tillt him then Coyle escaped and shot again, finished and that was the match 5-0

John Doe is a 7th grader who is incredibly advanced in the subject of Mathematics. He is not only capable of being successful in a pre-calculus course, but his parents figure he will accel. Should this gifted student be forced to sit through a geometry course that bores him?

tzimm152 I guess i was crazy i thought Coyle would win by 2, and youdontknowme Coyle must have been fast enough.

  I'm just typing out loud.

One additional comment about Hall.  You could compare him to a young Joe Carr, Jr.  I know he is very good, however there is no "guarantee" he will win state this year.  Bradbury has already beat him and will be anticipating a rematch.  Second, Joe Carr didn't win 5 state titles.  As other forums have pointed out, he was pinned his senior year at Hoptown by the Caldwell kid, the ref just couldn't process it in time to call it.  Hall could return to Michigan and not win 4 more state titles.  There are sooooo many variables...injuries, bad calls, you get caught by a lesser wrestler.  It's far too early to chalk him up to 5 or 6 state titles.

By the way, what does his dad do that he can move a kid around like that?  Wish I had that kind of job!

I personally think as a whole we could use this situation to help better our state in wrestling.  I'm trying to start a middle school program at Bullitt East and I've actually mentioned Mark Hall to some of the middle school kids to peak their interest in wrestling.  They hear about a middle school kid who can wrestle varsity in high school and then hear about the success they have and the next thing you know, they want to give wrestling a shot.  Obviously, not all those kids will stick with wrestling, but if you gain at least a couple who stick it out, then you've gained some numbers in your program, which is what most high school teams in Kentucky struggle with.  Sure, some of those middle schoolers won't be physically advanced enough to wrestle in high school just as of yet, but then you wrestle them in middle school meets.  Part of the problem is simply getting kids to come out for wrestling whether it be middle school or high school just so you can have the opportunity to get them "hooked".  Who cares if the kid is from Michigan and won't be staying for his high school career.  Even if you don't have a "dog in the fight", use it to your advantage.  I've mentioned Brock Ervin just the same amount as Mark Hall.

I personally think as a whole we could use this situation to help better our state in wrestling.  I'm trying to start a middle school program at Bullitt East and I've actually mentioned Mark Hall to some of the middle school kids to peak their interest in wrestling.

Start with a Elementary school program first then the middle school program, it will have kids. All that is needed then a MS coach, you will have the kids and their parents behind a MS program. Unless they move to another MS program :-o :-o :-o.

Start with a Elementary school program first then the middle school program, it will have kids. All that is needed then a MS coach, you will have the kids and their parents behind a MS program. Unless they move to another MS program :-o :-o :-o.

An elementary program would be great.  You volunteering to come coach it?  Because unless you are, that's not going to happen.  Myself and my assistant will be running the middle school program for the 1st few years until we can find someone to do so.  We can practice middle schoolers with the high school kids, but that's not feasible with elementary school kids.  Yes, it would be great to build from the bottom up, but we're having to build from the top down.

An elementary program would be great.  You volunteering to come coach it?  Because unless you are, that's not going to happen.  Myself and my assistant will be running the middle school program for the 1st few years until we can find someone to do so.  We can practice middle schoolers with the high school kids, but that's not feasible with elementary school kids.  Yes, it would be great to build from the bottom up, but we're having to build from the top down.

If only I could, but a spring program with USA wrestling might be something you need to look into. The older ones get another season and the new ones have fun at their age/wt.

Does anyone know what happen to adam brown?? I've heard alot of different story's

Also what happen to supe in the finals against palmer???? He just didnt wrestle or???

In finals Brown separated hes shoulder in the overtime period against Frost.

rumer is supe dropped out of the tournament to go to a dance

No this post is ntot a joke

Also what happen to supe in the finals against palmer???? He just didnt wrestle or???

Supe forfeited in the finals as did Sowder from Scott.  I know they had a Senior dance at Scott and I am assuming that was the reason...........perhaps incorrectly, but that is my take.

rumer is supe dropped out of the tournament to go to a dance

No this post is ntot a joke

She must be HOT!!! And had a better chance of pinning HER. :-D :-D :-D

rumer is supe dropped out of the tournament to go to a dance

No this post is ntot a joke

In finals Brown separated hes shoulder in the overtime period against Frost.

rumer is supe dropped out of the tournament to go to a dance

No this post is ntot a joke

I remember in 97 two guys from Henry Clay did the same for senior dance.  Both were in the finals.

Thats one i ill never forget if its true.....i wouldnt forfeit that match for anything i could control!!!

Wow.  Life is about more than jsut wrestling.

I'd goto the dance, the dragon is just a tournament, not state!

Wow.  Life is about more than jsut wrestling.

I'd goto the dance, the dragon is just a tournament, not state!

I would never have missed a tournament for a dance or anything like it.  Only thing would be a family emergency.  However some people have different priorities and there's nothing wrong with that.  Some people wrestle just because they like to scrap, they don't live and die by it.  However I did and it sounds like there are multiple people who feel the same way.

the supe's always struck me as very relaxed, easy going kids about wrestling.  they're tough kids, but don't seem to take it to the extreme serious level of commitment that others do.  it would be scary how good they'd be if they did.

I wouldn't miss out on wrestling one of the top kids in the state to go to a dance but thats just me........seems weird that a coach would even let that happen for team purposes

Depends what she looks like. Wrestle this guy or Wrestle this HOT,HOT,HOT CHICK??? :-D

rumer is supe dropped out of the tournament to go to a dance

No this post is ntot a joke

Well I am not sure but I believe there were several schools that had a "Senior Dinner Dance"

Believe it or not there are many schools that don't revolve around wrestling.......Now if it were basketball or something that included playing with balls it might be more important.....then they might change the dance.

the supe's always struck me as very relaxed, easy going kids about wrestling.  they're tough kids, but don't seem to take it to the extreme serious level of commitment that others do.  it would be scary how good they'd be if they did.