Ive been checking these post out for a while but never signed up until recently when my name came up but now I'm tired of people bashing kids and teams for being good. First, Coach Brown has a great group of kids and he does a great job at Trinity. His kids worked hard to become state champs. Just like Union Co., Ryle, and Woodford Co. These teams work hard to be as good as they are. It's not like they are playing around. They take this sport serious. People hate to see others more successful than them, so they talk bad about them. Another thing I see on here is people bashing kids. I've seen Mark Hall wrestle and for him to wrestle in KY as a 7th grader and compete with the best high schoolers around the nation and win is great. Would you rather see him kill middle schoolers or see him get better at this level? I know he might not stay in KY but for him to compete against stiff competition every week is a good thing for him. If he was on your team that you support would you be complaining then, NO! People hate on those who are better. I've seen kids get booed at state but have any of you who do these things ever stop to talk to these kids that you do that to. A few years ago everyone did Coty Lewis like this and he was a great wrestler. 9 out of 10 of these kids are good kids and don't deserve it, so please stop it. If your child gets beat by Woodford Co, Trinity, Ryle, Union Co., don't boo these kids or their coaches because they have worked hard to get to where they are. Clap and show some praise for what they have accomplished. That would be true sportsmanship. To those who i have mentioned and the ones i forgot,  keep up the good work and good luck on the rest of the season!

While I won't suggest any kid get booed, you probably have to be a little more selective about your choices.  I've never heard a Union kid get booed.  I think those kids always conduct themselves in a way that reflect well on themselves, the team, and their school (should be the goal of every kid).  But guys like Coty Lewis have taken a differrent path and earned the dislike of opposing fans.  Regarding Mark Hall, I think most of the discussion has been more about the situation rather than the team or the kid.  I haven't heard a single bad thing about the kid and he has represented Ryle well every time I've seen him.  Yes, you are correct, everyone tends to have a different view of these things when their team benefits from the move in and scream and cry when it is another team.  Competition often brings out the worst in us. 

Agree with most posts, No one is bashing The Ryle Staff or this young wrestler (Hall).

I read and even wrote some sarcasm about the situation and watched everyone get spun up; it was funny.  Ashame that everyone takes this stuff to heart.  If this kid went to a Louisville School or another school not sure it would get much attention.  Then again would this young wrestler get any better at one of the smaller or newer programs, NO..  SO the Parents and wrestler seeked out a program and wrestlers that could make him better,  I'm not sure they're are many teams or programs that could even provide any assist to Hall.

I know that Union kids conduct themselves very well on and off the mat but i was talking in general about the fans bad mouthing these teams cause they are good. Union Co. kids are class acts and so are the parents, they gave me a t-shirt to help cheer them on last year at state. Same goes for Trinity, and Woodford Co., they are not what most people make them to be. From my experiences with Ryle, they are good people. Even if there is one kid that is a problem, don't take it out on the rest of the team until you know them. Basically, never judge a book by it's cover. to To everyone, Please leave Mark Hall alone unless you have good things to say, he's only a child and doesn't need the extra pressure of mature people making it hard on him.

last year during the 160 state finals, there was a guy yelling at harrison courtney saying he was the worst 4x state champ ever and yelling just a bunch of garbage, for someone to yell something like that to someone is very wrong, after harrison won the match his mom tourned around and looked at the guy like he was crazy

last year during the 160 state finals, there was a guy yelling at harrison courtney saying he was the worst 4x state champ ever and yelling just a bunch of garbage, for someone to yell something like that to someone is very wrong, after harrison won the match his mom tourned around and looked at the guy like he was crazy

That happened to me when I was in High School.... I was in the finals at a trny. Someone yelled I was terrible because they got word of me getting offered a wrestling scholarship to Cumberland Uni. I ended up destroying the kid in the finals... Found out it was someone I was going to wrestle in our Region tournament... I had him in the first round of regions.... I took him down with a foot sweep and pinned him.... Then looked at his parents who were standing at the edge of the rail and said oh so I suck right? and walked off. I got a team point taken away for it... But For someone to yell that, that is very bad.

That happened to me when I was in High School.... I was in the finals at a try. Someone yelled I was terrible because they got word of me getting offered a wrestling scholarship to Cumberland Uni. I ended up destroying the kid in the finals... Found out it was someone I was going to wrestle in our Region tournament... I had him in the first round of regions.... I took him down with a foot sweep and pinned him.... Then looked at his parents who were standing at the edge of the rail and said oh so I suck right? and walked off. I got a team point taken away for it... But For someone to yell that, that is very bad.

yea something happened kind of like that in the  kob tourney a ref wouldn't call a pin or something and then the kid end up pinning him and he got up and said is there anything else i need to do, then seen the ref on a break and like shoulder bumped him and kept walking, thats horrible sportsmanship

Believe it or not this is happening on the middle school level as well. We were at a tournament last year and a group of NKY fans started saying some very inappropriate things to my staff and my kids. Say what you will about me, but leave the kids out of it, I'm a grown man that can take of my own business, but these are kids. And Ranger123, I normally try back you on your thoughts and ideas, but you are way out of line calling out Coty. You are now just as guilty as these other wise guys. Coty was a kid. Do you remember being one? We don't always make the best decisions as kids, and when you chastise rather than be a part of the solution you are no help at all. Did you ever try to talk to Coty when he was dealing with his issues? I would guess no you did not.  You should try to get to know him now. He is turning in to an outstanding young man and I'm proud to say that he is a true friend to me and my family. I let him teach my young son whenever he can find time in between his own personal training and his coaching schedule. Coty did take a different path, but I didn't see too many holier than thous trying to help him out. Think about it!

I agree alot with the last post about middle schol. I have been coaching at the high school level for over 20 years in 4 different states and have always seen a percentage (usually small ) of kids and fans who demonstrate what XXX they can be.  About 4 years ago I got involved in youth and middle school wrestlingBIg difference in parent, coach and and fan behavior..  Our problems at the high school level pale in comparison. 

I think the state should be proud of a program such as Ryle that can attract a wrestler of this caliber.

They have placed a number of kids in D1 programs, probably more than any other program in KY in the last 10 yrs.

PS: I wish adults would think twice before they boo any of the kids on the mat. Boo the ref or a bad call but not against the kids.

CERON, I commend you on your efforts. I can't tell you how many sucess stories I've seen and heard just because someone took the extra time to care. Wrestling is the greatest sport on Earth, but it like anything else, it has an ugly side as well. I don't know where I would be if I didn't have difference makers in my life. To all the parents out there, let's help build Kentucky wrestling into something we can be proud of. This should be the best time of these kids lives, WIN OR LOSE!

Not only Ryle and Hall, we should be proud to have Bradbury, Hitchings, Shotwell, the Ervins, Josh Johnson, Justin Davis, Harrison Courtney, the Carrs, Coach Rusty Parks, Kyle Ruschell, Richard Brown and more to have wrestled or coached in KY. We have seen these guys and their programs be successful over the years. They probably could be or could've been elsewhere but are here in our state. Some of their teams and wrestlers are what KY wrestling is known for, so why not show your support. If we stick together as a state we can compete on a national level, Caleb Ervin proved that last year by being a National Champion.

While I don

Bo, i don't hide myself either. I want everyone to know how i feel. I am Bradbury fan, nothing against Hall. I've watched him for years along with his brothers. The Hall thing has people upset because he plans leave KY when he enters high school. How many teams over the years have benefited from having someone transfer in from another state and help their program without knowing if he would stay or not? Like it or not, if i could have an athlete like Hall or Bradbury that was only going to be here for two years i would be thrilled. By the way, if i left anyone like Coach K of St. X., Knable, Travis Sullivan, and others off the list that have been great influences for KY over the years I am sorry. Ky needs more good exposure in the sport throughout the nation.

Bo, i don't hide myself either. I want everyone to know how i feel. I am Bradbury fan, nothing against Hall. I've watched him for years along with his brothers. The Hall thing has people upset because he plans leave KY when he enters high school. How many teams over the years have benefited from having someone transfer in from another state and help their program without knowing if he would stay or not? Like it or not, if i could have an athlete like Hall or Bradbury that was only going to be here for two years i would be thrilled. By the way, if i left anyone like Coach K of St. X., Knable, Travis Sullivan, and others off the list that have been great influences for KY over the years I am sorry. Ky needs more good exposure in the sport throughout the nation.

I'm with you. It's strange how everyone on here talks about wanting to see KY wrestling grow and get more competitive with other states but when someone gets to that level and is dominant, everyone wants to spite and down them. It's pitiful. I liked Coty Lewis, too. I felt for him when people did him like they did.

And Ranger123, I normally try back you on your thoughts and ideas, but you are way out of line calling out Coty. You are now just as guilty as these other wise guys. Coty was a kid. Do you remember being one? We don't always make the best decisions as kids, and when you chastise rather than be a part of the solution you are no help at all. Did you ever try to talk to Coty when he was dealing with his issues? I would guess no you did not.  You should try to get to know him now. He is turning in to an outstanding young man and I'm proud to say that he is a true friend to me and my family. I let him teach my young son whenever he can find time in between his own personal training and his coaching schedule. Coty did take a different path, but I didn't see too many holier than thous trying to help him out. Think about it!

DW, I've thought about it and you are welcome to disagree with me.  BUT, if you follow the thread back to the beginning I wasn't the first to bring up Coty.  I didn't say anything harsh about him; just stated the fact that his actions brought on much of the booing.  Regarding "getting to know him" I admit I didn't.  But do you really think he was open to a random parent or coach talking to him about his issues.  I don't think so.  And yes, I do recall being a kid once who made my fair share of mistakes.  But I don't recall ever acting out in a way to get that sort of reaction from the crowd.  I'm very glad to hear that Coty has his life in order and is doing good things.  High school was a different story.

The more I think about it, I may be with Bo.  In general we shouldn't boo the kids, but when someone does something flagrant or gets DQ'd for fighting or something they deserve whatever the fans give them.

Ranger, I was that random guy that decided to walk up and talk to Coty. I didnt do it cause I felt the need to, I did cause I thought he was misguided on his ultimate goal to win a state title plus I wanted to see him wrestle more cause I like how he wrestled. He could have walked away from me but he didnt, he listened to what I had to say and wrestled alot better his next time out, but i think the whole situation got to him earlier and he wasn't focused anymore.

myGSP, I wouldn't attack anyone like in those videos. I will step on the mat if I have to. I encourage my wrestlers to wrestle rough and be aggressive but not dirty. Wrestling is a rough sport and sometimes you lose cause you're not rough enough, you can't be tough without being a lil rough.

Ceron that comment I made about not hiding myself was not directed at you it was just a blanket statement sorry if you thought it was directed at you.  I was just expressing my thoughts on the situation.  When I wrestled my school benefitted from a few transfer and they were based on different cases each time.  Three were because job relocations and one because there was no wrestling at the high school he was at, all were out of state transfers.  I understand the rumor is this kid plans on transferring back to Michigan when he is in high school.  So what

Ranger, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything, I just wanted to make the point that sometimes if we take a step back, we would realize that no matter if the kid is 7 or 17 they are still a kid. Bo I agree that this is a cruel world and we can't shelter our children, but I do believe we should set an example for them. I'm far from perfect and I make many mistakes everyday, but all I can do is try to learn from them. I tell my guys to root for their team mates, anything other than that needs to be kept to themselves. Maybe we should tell our parents too. Quote of the day, "Show your class not your a**" 

myGSP, I wouldn't attack anyone like in those videos. I will step on the mat if I have to. I encourage my wrestlers to wrestle rough and be aggressive but not dirty. Wrestling is a rough sport and sometimes you lose cause you're not rough enough, you can't be tough without being a lil rough.

Never said you would, just trying to make the point of out of control parents/fans/coaches at times. Bad for all sports/kids.

Bo, i know it wasn't. I want people to know how i feel and that's why my real name is on here also.

Ranger, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything, I just wanted to make the point that sometimes if we take a step back, we would realize that no matter if the kid is 7 or 17 they are still a kid. Bo I agree that this is a cruel world and we can't shelter our children, but I do believe we should set an example for them. I'm far from perfect and I make many mistakes everyday, but all I can do is try to learn from them. I tell my guys to root for their team mates, anything other than that needs to be kept to themselves. Maybe we should tell our parents too. Quote of the day, "Show your class not your a**"

Gotcha.  And I understand if discussing Coty hit a nerve.  I agree that we should cheer our teammates and keep quiet after that.  But when kids cross the line on the mat, we can't just act like the fans are the bad guys for booing.  Now I will say I really dislike the idea of booing Woodford County (or any other team) for no reason other than the singlet they are wearing.

myGSP, I know you didnt say that, I was just commenting. My emotions get involved alot and don't want to see any kids get hurt for any reason and miss state.

Perfectly stated Ranger, perfectly stated. That's kinda the idea behind the web site, agree to disagree, right?

last year during the 160 state finals, there was a guy yelling at harrison courtney saying he was the worst 4x state champ ever and yelling just a bunch of garbage, for someone to yell something like that to someone is very wrong, after harrison won the match his mom tourned around and looked at the guy like he was crazy

What an idiot.  I walked down to the floor after the finals last year with my 5 year old to meet Harrison.  Both boys looked like 2 kids in a candy store.  My son was excited to meet what I consider the best KY wrestler ever.  And Harrison couldn't have acted any happier to say hello to a litte kid.  A great champion and from what I can tell an even better young man.  And while I'm paying compliments to Woodford, Richard Starks was also one of the most classy wrestlers I saw.

How about this for starters. To prove we are good as a state, we need to find a sponsor to send our best kids from around the state as a team to different nationals to prove our state is growing in the sport. Not just a few guys but everyone we can. If we come together as coaches and try to make this happen i believe that parents and companies will jump on board to help send our kids to see the best competition. Spread the word and see what happens. Find out who's interested. I would love to see a team from KY of state champs and placers go to a tourney together and prove themselves to the rest of the country.

DW, that's true so we all need to stop bad mouthing programs and kids and show our support throughout the state.

Speaking for myself a father of 3 Kentucky wrestlers Mark Halls ability to wrestle here as a 7th grader when my sons who go to private schools cant is irritating.We all want our children to have every opportunity to excel but our own states rules punish some children while benefitting others.My sons will go to school at st.x because we believe it is an excellent school academically because of that choice my middle school aged sons who wrestle for river city cant even practice with the high school for fear of recruiting violations. My sons biggest competetors like Sean fauze or Brock ErvIn are wrestling high school this year when he would love to also but cant.John Fahey didn't wrestle high school as an eighth grader ,is that because he wasn't good enough or because our states rules wouldn't allow it.Those of us who chose private schools for our children want them to be able compete at the highest level possible just like Mark Halls parents but our states rules dint allow it.My point and I think I speak for many is to see someone be able to manipulate Ky's. rules like the Halls have is irritating.I know the KY wrestlers and their parents and can be happy for their accomplishments because in some way we KY parents are bonded by our common goal to support our children in their quest to be their best. The Halls have not been a part of that but they get to take advantage of Ky's rules when KY wrestlers and family's cant . Mark Hall is not the issue but the ability for  non-ky residents to gain more  from Ky's rules than KY residents is to me.

I personally have seen a group of parents from one Central KY school who purposely try to antagonize opposing school parents by saying derogatory things about the opposing wrestlers.  They seek out certain parents, sit behind them and start talking about that opposing parent's kid.  It is like they can pick out which parent is going to be most upset.  They scream things like "Hurt him!" and "Kill him," and then when the other parent gets upset, they look at each other and smile and laugh like children.  It is absolutely sick.  The worst part of it is that it is MOMS who are doing this, and their husbands (boyfriends whatever) sit a row or two behind them and laugh.  I pray they don't try to do this to my wife, because my wife has witnessed it too, and she is just HOPING they try it on her!  :roll:

Speaking for myself a father of 3 Kentucky wrestlers Mark Halls ability to wrestle here as a 7th grader when my sons who go to private schools cant is irritating.We all want our children to have every opportunity to excel but our own states rules punish some children while benefitting others.My sons will go to school at st.x because we believe it is an excellent school academically because of that choice my middle school aged sons who wrestle for river city cant even practice with the high school for fear of recruiting violations. My sons biggest competetors like Sean fauze or Brock ErvIn are wrestling high school this year when he would love to also but cant.John Fahey didn't wrestle high school as an eighth grader ,is that because he wasn't good enough or because our states rules wouldn't allow it.Those of us who chose private schools for our children want them to be able compete at the highest level possible just like Mark Halls parents but our states rules dint allow it.My point and I think I speak for many is to see someone be able to manipulate Ky's. rules like the Halls have is irritating.I know the KY wrestlers and their parents and can be happy for their accomplishments because in some way we KY parents are bonded by our common goal to support our children in their quest to be their best. The Halls have not been a part of that but they get to take advantage of Ky's rules when KY wrestlers and family's cant . Mark Hall is not the issue but the ability for  non-ky residents to gain more  from Ky's rules than KY residents is to me.

Again, as I have said before, the rules need to be reviewed and changed for the betterment of the kids.

remmember this discussion the next time the topic of middle schoolers who wrestle varsity drop done to win a middle school championship.

While I won't suggest any kid get booed, you probably have to be a little more selective about your choices.  I've never heard a Union kid get booed.  I think those kids always conduct themselves in a way that reflect well on themselves, the team, and their school (should be the goal of every kid).  But guys like Coty Lewis have taken a differrent path and earned the dislike of opposing fans.  Regarding Mark Hall, I think most of the discussion has been more about the situation rather than the team or the kid.  I haven't heard a single bad thing about the kid and he has represented Ryle well every time I've seen him.  Yes, you are correct, everyone tends to have a different view of these things when their team benefits from the move in and scream and cry when it is another team.  Competition often brings out the worst in us.

What do u mean earned the dislike of opposing fans? was it not coty lewis after loosing to Kyle R. in the finals that held his head high and walked off the matt with a succesful year? was it not coty lewis that after being robbed in the finals against caleb wood still showed respect to the reffs, shook there hands and got off the mat, was it not coty lewis after sticking josh johnson in the finals, helped the kid up then started his celebration? so u judge a kid on how well he performed his last two years in high school and that completly masks the previous three years? so he pump-faked the crowd after a call he saw unfair, big whoop. and i hate these kids that say they heard lewis say so many things, not like coty lewis at all.

Speaking for myself a father of 3 Kentucky wrestlers Mark Halls ability to wrestle here as a 7th grader when my sons who go to private schools cant is irritating.We all want our children to have every opportunity to excel but our own states rules punish some children while benefitting others.My sons will go to school at st.x because we believe it is an excellent school academically because of that choice my middle school aged sons who wrestle for river city cant even practice with the high school for fear of recruiting violations. My sons biggest competetors like Sean fauze or Brock ErvIn are wrestling high school this year when he would love to also but cant.John Fahey didn't wrestle high school as an eighth grader ,is that because he wasn't good enough or because our states rules wouldn't allow it.Those of us who chose private schools for our children want them to be able compete at the highest level possible just like Mark Halls parents but our states rules dint allow it.My point and I think I speak for many is to see someone be able to manipulate Ky's. rules like the Halls have is irritating.I know the KY wrestlers and their parents and can be happy for their accomplishments because in some way we KY parents are bonded by our common goal to support our children in their quest to be their best. The Halls have not been a part of that but they get to take advantage of Ky's rules when KY wrestlers and family's cant . Mark Hall is not the issue but the ability for  non-ky residents to gain more  from Ky's rules than KY residents is to me.

Good point workhard.  I never thought of the private school kids, but you have a good point.  But I always wondered with Fahy and others, why don't they just wrestle for the public high school district they are in while they are in 7th & 8th grade, and then go on to St. X or Trinity starting in the 9th grade.  Is there a rule against that?  If so, then I agree with you 100% the rules in this case are hurting our kids.

I think it's a good thing for middle school kids to wrestle high school cause it lets teams fill some spots. Private schools should be allowed to but they have to pay tuition to attend school. I'm not sure but I think this plays a key role in why Trinity and St. X aren't allowed to have middle schoolers. Throughout my years I have never seen these schools need a middle schooler on the team. If Fahy would have wrestled as an 8th grader, I think he would have won a state title but thats my opinion. Some programs rely on middle school kids, so for them the rule doesn't need to be changed, we just need to find a solution for the private schools.

I think it's a good thing for middle school kids to wrestle high school cause it lets teams fill some spots. Private schools should be allowed to but they have to pay tuition to attend school. I'm not sure but I think this plays a key role in why Trinity and St. X aren't allowed to have middle schoolers. Throughout my years I have never seen these schools need a middle schooler on the team. If Fahy would have wrestled as an 8th grader, I think he would have won a state title but thats my opinion. Some programs rely on middle school kids, so for them the rule doesn't need to be changed, we just need to find a solution for the private schools.

Right, if St. X or Trinity consistently had a problem fielding A, B, and C teams then maybe the rules would be adjusted. I can't speak for the other private schools that field teams, but clearly numbers are not a problem at St. X and Trinity.

Just a note Central and Manual are not allowed to have middle school kids wrestle for them either because their "Magnet" status it restricts it.  I would love to have a couple of middle school kids compete for starting spots on our team.  I think the competition will always make guys hungrier to start.  Middle school kids want to beat high school kids and high school kids do not want to lose to a middle school kid.

If Omar Jarvis was allowed to wrestle for Central as an 8th grader, how much better do you think he would be? He would have been allowed to practice with better guys to make him better. So Central and Manual are in the same boat as Trinity and St. X. on the middle schoolers and these are public schools. These two public schools could have more numbers if middle schoolers were allowed on their teams, and would help build them for the future.

It's rather ironic to see anyone defending the catholic schools in Louisville. They win football every year only because they can recruit from the entire Louisville area.  A little boy moves in from a different state and topples one of the Jolly Green's state champions and suddenly everyone is belly aching about fairness. lol. What a joke!

Where does Bradbury live and how many counties does he drive through to get to Trinity? He's not doing anything illegal or wrong, HE IS JUST OPERATING WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE RULES!!!!!!! The state allows it and the catholics allow it!

Hall is just operating within the boundaries of the RULES!  Whats the difference?

Good point workhard.  I never thought of the private school kids, but you have a good point.  But I always wondered with Fahy and others, why don't they just wrestle for the public high school district they are in while they are in 7th & 8th grade, and then go on to St. X or Trinity starting in the 9th grade.  Is there a rule against that?  If so, then I agree with you 100% the rules in this case are hurting our kids.

I think the issue with this would be the transfer rule.  There are bylaws (of which I am NOT an expert) , that govern moves from one school to another.  I believe it is required that once a kid participates on a varsity squad for one school they need to either sit out a year upon transfer, or there needs to be permanent residency change for the entire family, etc.  Sticky. 

Based on some the moronic opinions on this message board, many should no longer support UK basketball because they recruit out of the state.  Oh, I forgot, we are talking about high school kids not college kids!  I see little difference. It's all about state pride, right?

hey brother, where have you been?  I have been freezing! 

Question---With JCPS creating magnets at all of the schools, will all the public schools fall under the same ruling as Manual and Central???

I was talking about rules affecting middle schoolers and some how it became a catholic school slam wow sorry didnt mean to hit a nerve but how does choosing a private or as we heard public magnet school for your highschool make you unworthy to compete with the other middleschoolers throughout the state.Dont make a comparison of numbers or filling a spot we all know that Ryle has no problem filling spots and any school with a middleschooler who can win his weight class will let him have it. I know my son could have had the 103 at stx last year and this year but it isnt an option for him.

I think that if a kid could is good enough to wrestle varsity in middle school, he should be allowed to without sitting out even though he plans on going to a private school or a magnet school. This is about making wrestling better throughout the state not football or any other sport. If kids were allowed to wrestle for their home school and then go to a private or magnet school without sitting out I think we would see wrestling better throughout the state and not just at the power programs.

Regardless of how we feel about the Mark Hall situation, or the rules preventing middle school wrestlers from competing at private or magnet high schools, just keep in mind that the rules are made by, or at least heavily influenced by, coaches.  Personally, I do not like Bylaw 25 that prevents larger teams from sending out a legitimate jv squad to a varsity tournament, unless they spend one of their 17 varsity events to do so.  It is difficult for jv wrestlers to get matches, so it seems that sending jv squads to varsity tournaments is one of the few ways to do this.  I realize that there are about five jv events in our general area, but these ten matches are simply not enough to grow these wrestlers.  If we, as coaches, do not like particular rules, or if the rules are no longer addressing the needs of our sport, then it is up to us to make the necessary changes.  If you do not like particular rules, then gather together some likeminded coaches, and write up your proposal to the KHSAA.   

It's rather ironic to see anyone defending the catholic schools in Louisville. They win football every year only because they can recruit from the entire Louisville area.  A little boy moves in from a different state and topples one of the Jolly Green's state champions and suddenly everyone is belly aching about fairness. lol. What a joke!

Where does Bradbury live and how many counties does he drive through to get to Trinity? He's not doing anything illegal or wrong, HE IS JUST OPERATING WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE RULES!!!!!!! The state allows it and the catholics allow it!

Hall is just operating within the boundaries of the RULES!  Whats the difference?

I guess the only difference I'm seeing and I think what workhard is pointing out is that Mark Hall is allowed to compete as a 7th grader in our state and his kid (Lampe) is not because of the high school they are choosing for him to go to.  I agree they are both operating within the rules.  It's just one gets to take a shot at being a 6X state champ here, and another kid who has lived here his whole life does not get the same shot.

Thank you Mark Hall for highlighting a problem in our system.  The 103lb weight class is not always easy to fill even for large programs like Trinity and St X.  Look at the rankings and you will see just how many schools tap into the younger talent from the MS or clubs that support their HS of choice.  Each of the MS teams or clubs have other 103's that get match time when the stud is at a HS match.  Like St. X, Trinitys MS club program has a 103 lbr whose father is a Trinity alumni.  Is there any question where he would like his son to go to school.  Yet these guys can't even practice with the HS teams much less compete for them.  Think about those folks who want their sons to go to Male or Central, who could help those programs gain respect by filling the 103 or even 112 spots with solid wrestlers.  This problem can and should be solved.

I guess the only difference I'm seeing and I think what workhard is pointing out is that Mark Hall is allowed to compete as a 7th grader in our state and his kid (Lampe) is not because of the high school they are choosing for him to go to.  I agree they are both operating within the rules.  It's just one gets to take a shot at being a 6X state champ here, and another kid who has lived here his whole life does not get the same shot.

Yea the point is Lampe is "choosing" a school. Unless mommy and daddy pay for their kid to go to a private school, the state or local school system "chooses" what public school a child will attend. If Lampe doesn't like the catholics rules, wrestle for your local public school system and wrestle as a 7th grader. Should we feels sorry for Lampe because he chose a private school. NO! He has the option to wrestle as a 7th grader if he wants.

Hall doesn't have the option to wrestle so he "choose" to enter our state. Just like all the top Ky wrestling programs "choose" to leave their state and wrestle in Ohio and Indiana because there is better competition. Every weekend Kentucky boys are stealing medals from home grown Ohio and Indiana boys.

Stop whining. I'm glad Hall is here. Shake his hand, beat him and earn the medal. Otherwise, shutup and take the medal you deserve.

grapplesack, you're all over the map with this.  teams competing in the regular season out of state is a choice of each team and they can all do it.  private schools, public schools.  so whats your point?  if those schools don't like out of state kids from taking their medals, they just don't invite them.  that's not relevant to 2 kids both living in this state, one can wrestle varsity and one can't without being penalized. 

what would be fair is let both kids wrestle with their h.s. when they are in middle school or let neither.  in kentucky you are penalized for transferring schools, in ohio i believe you are allowed 1 move in 4 years.  don't make this about the whole state is picking on a "little boy who moved in from out of state".  you want to talk about whinning, read your post about how the catholics all win the state titles in football because they can recruit from all over louisville.  is that fair?  it's within the rules?

So grapplesack your saying as a parents we have to choose between academics and morals or sports.I posed a simple question about why there are different rules for middleschoolers based on the highschool they plan to attend and you not only get personal you get off topic.I have said nothing negative about Mark Hall only the fact that his parents or parent proclaimed openly he is here because of our states rules that allow him to be and he will leave when it no longer benefits him to be here,he said this to me personally so it is not hear say.I am trying to bring attention to an old rule that has become useless and the Halls use of the rule I think makes my point more clear.This rule will not affect my family much longer because my youngest wrestler is an 8th grader next year but it does not make it any more justified because I am not personally affected.Mark Hall doesnt affect me now, none of my sons are near his weight class but this rule has affected all my sons when they are middleschoolers.We did choose the private schools regardless of the rule and we do accept the medals we earn but this is a discussion board and good place to give an opinion in an adult and civil manor .Everyone says lets help ky wrestling grow as a sport, I say giving every middleschooler the same opportunity is a way to start.

Workhard, where did I get personal? You read what you want to read. Does the word "catholic" denote some personal attack. My statements were factual. Your son along with every other child in Ky has an opportunity to wrestle varsity as a 7th grader. Your beef is with the catholic school not KHSAA. Your morals are of no concern of mine nor is your choice of schools. However, your junior is not being treated unfairly because you choose to send him to a private school. If you want junior to wrestle as a 7th grader, go to a public school.  Now that he is attending ST X his morals will be in the place you choose but his wrestling skills will not be on a varsity mat til he's a freshman.

Where did Isaac Knable?? spelling?? live when he wrestled for St X and was a 4 time Ky state champ? My understanding, he lived in Indiana, crossed the river daily and attended St X.  Is that true?

Mark Hall is a stud! He could possibly be the very best wrestler ever produced in the United States. Time will tell. If so, I'm glad he will be a product of our state. I hope he's a 6 times state champ.

I don't like the right and left facial blow holes people spew hipocracy from.  We allow the catholics in Louisville to recruit all over. Look at the Jolly Greens.  Most wrestlers transferred from Fern Creek and yet Trinity is viewed as a great program. No! There are loop holes which allow kids to operate within the boundaries of the KHSAA rules. Trinity and St X exploit these loopholes to the max.  And yet parents who luxuriously enjoy certain KHSAA loopholes which allow their children to travel many miles to attend the catholic school then bellyache about the cathoic schools who don't allow their junior to wrestle. It's a joke to me.

I don't care if Ky becomes a breeding ground for every US pediatric wrestling stud to enter, wrestle, beat up on our very best, become a state champ and then leave. If Kentuckians don't like it, then change the KHSAA rules.  Beleive it or not, we do live in a democracy and if people choose, they can lobby to have rules changed.  For crying out loud, this country wanted change and voted in Obama! lol

We allow the catholics in Louisville to recruit all over. Look at the Jolly Greens.  Most wrestlers transferred from Fern Creek and yet Trinity is viewed as a great program.

I wondered when someone was going to bring this up...not taking anything away from Coach Brown or those boys.  Just a interesting point.

if the kid wrestled for a public school in the 7th & 8th grade, and then transferred to a private school he would be penalized by the khsaa by losing 1 year of eligibility.  it's really not too difficult to understand.  try reading slower.

Grapplesack you make my points pefectly for me.First you ask should people feel sorry for me because of my school choices and imply that my comments about a poor rule is whining.I never asked for anyones pity nor am I whining about Mark Hall he is here and he also tried to go to trinity 1rst but was told they could not let him wrestle for their team.The young men who left the ferncreek middleschool program and went to the trinity middleschool program did so because of the bond they had to their coach and his children who were going to trinity.They first went as middleschoolers and stayed there for highschool they were not recruited by trinity pryor to their coach going there I know this and them well because my sons started wrestling at ferncreek with them and their coach.The Knable comment I was told his parents sent him to stx because the Indiana school he would have attended did not meet the standards they wanted.Recruiting in the louisville area is not the issue it was because students can apply to any school in louisville area regardless of where they live so now public school coaches are not limited to geographical boundries either.That is why I dont understand the middleschool rule seperating private ,magnet,or public the recruiting playing feild has been leveled a great deal .

pioneer prideless I read it slowly and you still don't make any sense. The 7th and 8th kids wrestling for a public school and wrestling varsity are under the jurisdiction of KHSAA rules. No one is being treated unfairly. If they participate in any varsity sport then they can't transfer without sitting out for a season.  Why don't you ask St X and Trinity to change their rules. Problem would be solved.

How ironic workhard. You give some lame excuse about a school not meeting parent's expectations for a kid to live in Indiana and participate in a Ky catholic school, St X, and win state 4 times. Loophole. It's not fair. What a joke! What a joke!

Does anyone else appreciate the irony of an Indiana resident crossing the river daily and winning state in Ky 4 times.  At least Hall lives in a tent in Ky. lol. 

pioneer pride I have a hard time even answering your reply.  KHSAA is not penalizing any child. The individual school is not allowing kids to wrestle, not KHSAA. 

Actually, I think it is the KHSAA that prohibits the middle school students from competing for the catholic/private high schools.  Since these schools may not meet the definition of  "feeder" schools or governed by the same board of education they don't meet the provisions of the bylaws.  I don't think the school has any discretion here.

Why is it that the Catholic schools in Louisville can't have middle schoolers wrestle on there team. If they are consolidated as Owensboro Catholic is then they would be able to wrestle for them. Owensboro Catholic has middle school basketball players,track and golfers that are in Owensboro Catholic middle school playing for Owensboro Catholic High School. Like i said the catholic schools are consolidated so they are aloud to play for there high school team. Maybe that is what the Catholic schools in Louisville need to do.

Why is it that the Catholic schools in Louisville can't have middle schoolers wrestle on there team. If they are consolidated as Owensboro Catholic is then they would be able to wrestle for them. Owensboro Catholic has middle school basketball players,track and golfers that are in Owensboro Catholic middle school playing for Owensboro Catholic High School. Like i said the catholic schools are consolidated so they are aloud to play for there high school team. Maybe that is what the Catholic schools in Louisville need to do.

I believe the distinction in your example is that those schools (the Owensboro Middle and High) are under the same Board of Education.  I am not familiar with those schools and I am not making the statement that they are goverened by the same board, I am just pointing out that the KHSAA bylaws do allow this.  (Just my interpretation)

I had the mother of a girl who played ball for Notre Dame in my office this morning.  She mentioned to me that tuition paying parents would be very upset if their daughter or son was not playing because a non paying 7th or 8th grader from elsewhere who planned on attending down the road took her/his spot.

First of all you speak of things that you view from a distance and I just so happen to have detailed knowledge of.I told you what I was told by knable himself and you insinuate it is untrue, just because you dont like the answer doesnt make it false.He was a 4 timer because he started wrestling in the 2nd grade he was at stx because his parents wanted him at a good school sorry the truth isnt as exciting as recruiting across state lines story.Myron wrestled for ferncreek middleschool and went to trinity middleschool the first year it was started and stayed at trinity high with his middleschool teammates sorry thats not as exciting as trinity recruiting in e-town but its true.The fact that rivercity wrestlers,trinity middleschool wrestlers,and now middleschoolers who plan on attending magnet schools cant compete at a highschool because of state regulations is also a fact.I was told by the coach at st.x the A D said middleschoolers couldnt even practice with highschoolers for fear of being hit with recruiting violations.Obviously the public schools dont have to worry about such things. All I am pointing out is there really isnt much difference between the public schools and the private schools ability to go after atheletes as there use to be so cant we revisit this rule and make it the same for all middleschoolers.

Well at least we have some interesting information.

Knable lived in Indiana and attended a Ky catholic school, ST. X. 4 time state champ. While living in Indiana he commuted to Kentucky and wrestled! I am personally touched by his parents choosing St X for it's moral standard or whatever reason they choose to leave their home state of Indiana.

Myron lives 60 miles away and travels to Trinity daily to wrestle. State champ.

What exactly is the problem with Hall living in Ryle's district and wrestling for Ryle?

Good thing Hall didn't wrestle for Trinity otherwise Myron may have been JV.

I have little sympathy for the catholic middle schoolers not being able to wrestle. These schools have used and abused the rules to the point of total disgust.

I would like to see a day when a 6A public school, who only has football players who live within their districts, can compete with the several thousand St X and Trinity boys team who recruit throughout the entire Louisville area and even into Indiana. My heart will not bleed for the the rare isolated time when a middle schooler falls on the short end of a loop hole school.

Well even though I knew it was pointless to prove these individuals were not recruited by the schools they attended I am glad I did because you made it clear you have a personal issue with catholic schools.It is very sad your dislike of these programs hardens your heart so much you dont care about doing what is best for all children that is sad .

Ok, while I have posted on this topic earlier and everyone

A lot of people have explained that their problems are NOT with Mark Hall. They are ALL saying it brings forward the point that there are many true KY athletes who are barred from wrestling varsity as middle schoolers merely because they wrestle for a certain feeder program. The motivation for the middle schooler being at such a program may be because the parents like the coaching or it is convenient or whatever. It's apparent that Grapplesack has a huge problem with private schools and keeps dissing the "catholics" who he erroneously blames for these types of rules- it's the KHSAA. It seems there should be a HUGE problem in Jefferson County because the schools are FREE and the kids can go to ANY ONE OF THEM as long as logistics for race and whatever are met. If my kid wants to go to Jeffersontown, he doesn't have to live in Jeffersontown. If he wants to go to Ballard, he could live 40 miles across town. So how is this any different than choosing to go to St. X, Trinity, or DeSales or whatever? AND, you keep picking on that Lampe guy. His son goes to St. X for the academic opportunities; he wasn't recruited to wrestle, and if it's all about wrestling, why wouldn't he have gone to Trinity? So grapplesack's whole argument is stupid because all 100,000 students or whatever in Jefferson County's public schools can pick wherever they want to go to school.  You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Ok, while I have posted on this topic earlier and everyone

Oh please. This is not about public and private. It's about a spoiled parent who gets on here and types he is "irritated" by the Hall situation.  Workhard stated he was "irritated"! I am only pointing out the duplicity of his comments. If you can't understand that point then lock yourself out.

I have nothing against the catholics. In fact, I may even be a catholic. Or at least I know I have a catholic in my family tree somewhere? I am "irritated" a St X parent complains about Hall living in Ryle's district and wrestles when St X allowed a kid who lived in another state to cross the river daily and wrestle for ST. X. Of course, they paid tuition!

Was the St. X parent "irritated" when the Indiana resident took 4 gold medals from Kentucky residents? I doubt it. The only lame comment this parent offers is Knable's parents felt the Indiana schools didn't meet their standards. I am irritated a parent would even comment about Hall's situation. He does live in Kentucky at least.

Coffee your comment may apply to Jefferson County but it in no way applies to the rest of the state. It is only because of the huge influence of the Jefferson county catholic schools that allow other Jefferson county students to chosse other schools. If a kid lives in NKY or Eastern Ky they are not allowed to choose a school in the area. They are assigned a school and unable to choose elsewhere without paying tuition., So your point only applies to Jefferson county not the rest of the state which is the majority.

Coffee your comment may apply to Jefferson County but it in no way applies to the rest of the state. It is only because of the huge influence of the Jefferson county catholic schools that allow other Jefferson county students to chosse other schools. If a kid lives in NKY or Eastern Ky they are not allowed to choose a school in the area. They are assigned a school and unable to choose elsewhere without paying tuition., So your point only applies to Jefferson county not the rest of the state which is the majority.

I don't know this for a fact, but I believe Kenton County may have open enrollment (Scott, Simon Kenton, Dixie).  Not sure, but I thought I heard that in the past.

I don't know this for a fact, but I believe Kenton County may have open enrollment (Scott, Simon Kenton, Dixie).  Not sure, but I thought I heard that in the past.

I went to NKU for a while, and I had to fraternity brothers that lived next door to one another--one went to Simon Kenton and the other was at Dixie Heights.  Not sure of how/why, just thought it pertinent to interject an example that I knew of.

Oh please. This is not about public and private. It's about a spoiled parent who gets on here and types he is "irritated" by the Hall situation.  Workhard stated he was "irritated"! I am only pointing out the duplicity of his comments. If you can't understand that point then lock yourself out.

I have nothing against the catholics. In fact, I may even be a catholic. Or at least I know I have a catholic in my family tree somewhere? I am "irritated" a St X parent complains about Hall living in Ryle's district and wrestles when St X allowed a kid who lived in another state to cross the river daily and wrestle for ST. X. Of course, they paid tuition!

Was the St. X parent "irritated" when the Indiana resident took 4 gold medals from Kentucky residents? I doubt it. The only lame comment this parent offers is Knable's parents felt the Indiana schools didn't meet their standards. I am irritated a parent would even comment about Hall's situation. He does live in Kentucky at least.

The spoiled parent you're talking about is a decent, hardworking man who cares about giving his boys the best he can, both in wrestilng and academics. He's been around the KY wrestling block and knows what he's talking about and is involved with and friends with many other bigs named families and schools around the state. I tried not to get to into this topic but you are a sad character. You want to be right at all costs, even if  the facts and conditions aren't there. Give it up. Go outside. Check out the snow.

Kenton County is open enrollment you just have to pick a school and stick with it. 

I went to NKU for a while, and I had to fraternity brothers that lived next door to one another--one went to Simon Kenton and the other was at Dixie Heights.  Not sure of how/why, just thought it pertinent to interject an example that I knew of.

That is true at least in the past.  Now they all just move to CC.  LOL.  I didn't just say that.

bashing on CC will get the thread locked for su  re, way to go ryledad.

That is true at least in the past.  Now they all just move to CC.  LOL.  I didn't just say that.

HA!HA!HA!  :-D That's minus one bonus point for ryledad.  :evil:

I don't know this for a fact, but I believe Kenton County may have open enrollment (Scott, Simon Kenton, Dixie).  Not sure, but I thought I heard that in the past.

This is true

If you notice (which you don't, grapplesack, or you wouldn't keep making the senseless point), it's about middle schoolers. Your inference to Knable is like comparing apples to oranges. You're making no sense in using him as an example. The discussion is about MIDDLE SCHOOLERS wrestling for schools they don't attend. Hall does NOT go to Ryle High School. Yet he wrestles for them because he is in their middle school feeder program. Lampe's kid must be in St.X's feeder program. He is not allowed to wrestle for them because it is a KHSAA rule. Lampe sounds irritated at the system in place because it excludes good kids who shouldn't be penalized because they are in the "wrong" place. You must not have any children because parents who love their kids want to give them opportunities for lots of things, not just wrestling. The KHSAA rule stinks. That's what he's saying. You apparently think it's okay to penalize children because their parents are religious or rich or whatever it is that you're not.  I wonder why you're even on this board if you aren't supportive of the kids' having a fair chance at wrestling one another. You obviously think private school kids don't deserve what Mark Hall deserves.

bashing on CC will get the thread locked for su  re, way to go ryledad.

The  :evil: made me do it but Ranger can feel free to delete the post.  Just trying to lighten the mood.  So much anger out there.  We might need to consider metal detectors at the state tournament.

Oh I'm sorry Danger. I didn't know an attribute of being hardworking trumps all others. Let me recap the answers our hard working father has given to attend the catholic schools. Morals, academics, the love of their coach, their coach moved from a public to a private school.  Wow! All very valid points.  Now what does that have to do with this hard working man being "irritated" by a 7th grader moving into a district and wrestling.  I have some advise for Mr. Hardworking loving and caring dad.  Buy a tent and move into Ryle's district. Your 7th grade son will then be allowed to wrestle. Once a freshman, move back to Louisville and wrestle for St X.  Make the committment and move just like the Hall family did.

As for me, I have been summoned to the outdoors and the cold snow by Danger. Perhaps I will make a sexually ambiguous snowperson and place grapplenutz on it thereby making him a snowman. 

This is not about the catholic religion. I have seen many kids I am sure are really baptist wrestle and play football for Trinity and ST X, lol.

No coffee it's not about the middleschool rule. I understand it and Hardworks points. He should have made the point without bashing or being irritated by Hall.  To point out Hall and negate his parent's love and committments is disgusting. He should have made his point without even mentioning Hall's name. The Hall situation has nothing to do with his own situation. I was only pointing out the catholic schools aren't help to many of the rules the public schools have to adhere to. I used Knable as an example. I think it hit a nerve. Hall's parents obviously love him very much and want good things for him. They made the committment and should be allowed to wrestle. Lampe should make his point without being irritated or bringing in Hall's situation.  His point is valid but not using Hall as an example. I was pointing out Lampe has options should he choose to exercise those rights and committments. I doubt he will buy a tent and move to Ryle. But he could if he wanted!

Yes, it is about the middle school rule and nothing else.

Well Lampe should apologize for even mentioning Hall and his irritation. It make him look like a very small insignifant man!

Are you kidding? That's funny.

I apologize to Mark Hall and his family if I insulted them.I will refrase it is irritating to me that kentuckys rules regarding middleschoolers wrestling varsity are so outdated that a athelete can openly state they are moving into ky to take advantage of a rule giving this athelete opportunities that atheletes currently residing here having wrestled middleschool for years here arent permitted to have.I could move back and forth to gain these advantages but that would place sports at a higher priorty than I believe they truly are and would send the wrong message to my children,and if I was going to move my family for the sake of wrestling we would be heading for UNION county. Grapplesack I tried very hard not to get personal with the Halls,their ability to do what they are doing for their 7th grader is just another slap in the face to those of us who have been told NO you cant do that for your child for years now. Again to the Halls I meant no disrespect to you Mark is obviously a great wrestler and you are taking advantage of an opportunity that is there. I apologized just in case the Halls were offended but you grapplesack are one of those sad egomaniacs with a need to appear right even though everything you started defending was proven incorrect so you turn your attack on me.There are many ways to describe me but small and pathetic dont come most peoples minds who know me,I hope we meet someday so I  can get the proper description of you.

Alot of the people are missing the point of this post and are still not supportive of these guys and their programs for being successful.  Its not about a middle school kid wrestling varsity, a catholic vs public school. It's about showing your support and to stop bashing each other. THE ONLY WAY KY WILL BE STRONGER AS A STATE IN THIS SPORT IS THROUGH SUPPORT FROM EVERYONE! WE CAN COMPETE WITH EVERYONE ELSE NATIONALLY IF WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER.!!

i agree, if the top atheletes from each weight could go to a tournement like beast of the east and compete as a team would help the state out a whole lot. the biggest problem with something like that is not all the champions have the money to pay to do something like that. my younger brother qualified to go to fargo this summer, but due to the cost was unable to send him. if there was a coach that could organize and come up with a way to make this happen then lets do it. i also agree some of the rules khsaa has in place with changing schools or not being able to compete at the varsity level should be revised, as well having some county's do open enrollment when others are forced to go to a school just because where they live. in hardin county for example you dont get to choose central over john over north, you go to whichever school district you live in. but if im not mistaken i also believe you can pay tuition to go to another school if you have the money. its not fair to be good enough to wrestle varsity but cant if your going to go to a private school, but its not fair to have to wrestle for a school just because where you live and because your parents cant aford to send you any where else. atheletics may not be the reason some choose st x over trinity, but there are some people who will sen there child to a school just for atheletics for college purposes.

I think everybody is missing the point about middle schoolers not being able to wrestle with the private schools.

the public  middle schools and high schools fall under the same governing bodies the local school board and khsaa.

which means that when kids play varsity sports they are covered under the schools and khsaa rules and insurance policies. the private middle schools are not.

Talk about rules, in MI a HS wrestler can't attend any of the big ones (Beast of the east, Ironman, or freshman/sophomore/junior Nationals) is that fair?

If you don't like the rules get them changed through the KHSAA  :roll:/ Move to where you like their rules  :-o/ Stay here, live with them and cry  :cry:about them on KYwrestling.com

D.

Hindu56, I posted this statement earlier in the post;

How about this for starters. To prove we are good as a state, we need to find a sponsor to send our best kids from around the state as a team to different nationals to prove our state is growing in the sport. Not just a few guys but everyone we can. If we come together as coaches and try to make this happen i believe that parents and companies will jump on board to help send our kids to see the best competition. Spread the word and see what happens. Find out who's interested. I would love to see a team from KY of state champs and placers go to a tourney together and prove themselves to the rest of the country.

Talk about rules, in MI a HS wrestler can't attend any of the big ones (Beast of the east, Ironman, or freshman/sophomore/junior Nationals) is that fair?

If you don't like the rules get them changed through the KHSAA  :roll:/ Move to where you like their rules  :-o/ Stay here, live with them and cry  :cry:about them on KYwrestling.com

D.

Talk about rules, in MI a HS wrestler can't attend any of the big ones (Beast of the east, Ironman, or freshman/sophomore/junior Nationals) is that fair?

If you don't like the rules get them changed through the KHSAA  :roll:/ Move to where you like their rules  :-o/ Stay here, live with them and cry  :cry:about them on KYwrestling.com

D.

Hindu56, I posted this statement earlier in the post;

How about this for starters. To prove we are good as a state, we need to find a sponsor to send our best kids from around the state as a team to different nationals to prove our state is growing in the sport. Not just a few guys but everyone we can. If we come together as coaches and try to make this happen i believe that parents and companies will jump on board to help send our kids to see the best competition. Spread the word and see what happens. Find out who's interested. I would love to see a team from KY of state champs and placers go to a tourney together and prove themselves to the rest of the country.

Coach Dave Barnes is going to have National Training and may try and put together a national team for competition during the spring and early summer for middle school and high school. Maybe this fits into his plans. I would say he is qualified, we would just have to find fundraisers to pay for training,travel, and entry fees. I know its tough for guys from the southern part of the state to get up north, but maybe we break the state up into 2 regions for training and meet for wrestle offs like they do for middle school. just a thought.

Talk about rules, in MI a HS wrestler can't attend any of the big ones (Beast of the east, Ironman, or freshman/sophomore/junior Nationals) is that fair?

As proof check out the web sites for these and see all the MI wrestlers/teams. (none)

Yes MI kids will be at Senior Nationals, because they will no longer wrestle in HS in MI.

2009 NHSCA Freshman Nationals;

http://test.escapesports.com/LiveResults/NHSCA/2009_NHSCA_Freshman.pdf

2009 NHSCA Sophomore Nationals;

http://test.escapesports.com/LiveResults/NHSCA/2009_NHSCA_Sophomore.pdf

2009 NHSCA Junior Nationals;

http://test.escapesports.com/LiveResults/NHSCA/2009_NHSCA_Junior.pdf

Beast of the East

http://www.beastwrestling.comWalshIronman

WalshIronman

http://www.walshironman.com/new/index.php

WOW long topic mostly about nothing.

However I must now put my 2 cents in.

As for the Mark Hall thing.  If the kid is going to attend Ryle middle school and finish his middle schooling there I don't care what he does after middle school.

However the rumor mill says this.  (I have no confermation of any of this) He came to Ryle middle school somewhere in October after attending a middle school in MI.  After this wrestling season he will return to said middle school in MI to finish out the 2010 school year. He will then return to Ryle middle school next school year in October then leave again in Feb. 

If this is the case then I have a huge problem with the whole situation.

As for the middle school situation.  Every kid has the opportunity to wrestle in the state of KY.  choices sometimes have to be made.  If you really want your kid to wrestle varsity as a middle schooler.  Then take the Hall's path.  Move to a middle school away from Lou.  (Maybe Ryle) attend that middle school for 2 years and participate at the high school level.  Then move back to Lou. attend St. X or Trinity then you can have your 4 years there.

It is still possible just not logical, but it is not logical that the Hall's are living in a Mobile home so there kid can wrestle either.

This is the opinion Of GOO nothing more and nothing less.

GOO out.

I agree GOO.  If the rumor is true then the parents are clearly choosing athletics over academics.  This sends the wrong message to our youth that sports are more important than their studies which can be nothing further from the truth.  Some would disagree but in my opinion this is different than a family changing school districts and the student/athlete completing his/her schooling at the institution of their choice.  Honestly I hope Mark Hall stays here in Kentucky until he graduates middle school and after if he chooses to do so.  While we will never be able to really claim him as a Kentucky wrestler (as many have seemingly done with the Murtons) but he does show the state what is possible with hard work and excellent coaching.

Personally I love watching him compete.  His technique is fluid and he never loses his composure, even after a controversial call.  Did anyone see Bradbury screaming at his coaches after he lost to Hall at the South Oldham tourney?  Will he dominate the state after Bradbury leaves?  Unless Fahy is in his weight class, probably.  Will he "steal" medals from KY wrestlers who have worked hard?  Yes but nobody complained when the Murtons and Warner moved in (For the record I have no problems with them moving in and competing.  I liked watching them compete as well and have known all three to be class acts).

As I, and GOO, said above if he moves back to Michigan for the rest of the year and then moves back again in October this is completely wrong and should be addressed by the KHSAA and the national governing body for high school athletics (if there is such a thing).  However if he stays for his entire middle school "career" then get off his, and his parents', back and let the boy compete just like everyone did with Jairus, Jacob and Ben.

I couldnt possibly agree more. I would love to see this kid live here untill he graduates 8th grade and compete the remainder of this year as well as next year. HOWEVER, if this family moves back to Michigan after the completion of wrestling season then moves back again in September or October there should absolutely be something in the KHSAA guidelines declairing him ineligable. Lets hope this is nothing more than rumors and the family stays untill Mark graduates middle school next year. He is definetly an elite wrestler. lets hope he is getting the guidance to make him as exceptional a person as a wrestler

WOW, I normally just read the youth discussion board but this one really had some bite in it.I might start reading it more often when i transfer my kid from China to win the KY ping-pong state title. LOL, everyone lighten up and start getting ready  for the best time of the year, THE WRESTLING STATE Championships.

Coach Dave Barnes is going to have National Training and may try and put together a national team for competition during the spring and early summer for middle school and high school. Maybe this fits into his plans. I would say he is qualified, we would just have to find fundraisers to pay for training,travel, and entry fees. I know its tough for guys from the southern part of the state to get up north, but maybe we break the state up into 2 regions for training and meet for wrestle offs like they do for middle school. just a thought.

So pretty much like a Team Kentucky. That would be great to do, I never really had the chance to join Team Alaska whenI was there.

Not to go way back into this discussion, but there were some comments about Jefferson County students being allowed to attend high school wherever they chose.  This is not correct.  There was a student who wished to go to my school, but was not allowed because he did not live in a particular part of the west end.  Honestly, I'm not completely up on the school zones, etc., but I do know for a fact that Jefferson County students cannot attend high school anywhere they choose.  Just for clarification.

I think everybody is missing the point about middle schoolers not being able to wrestle with the private schools.

the public  middle schools and high schools fall under the same governing bodies the local school board and khsaa.

which means that when kids play varsity sports they are covered under the schools and khsaa rules and insurance policies. the private middle schools are not.

Not true

Why does MI allow Seniors to particpate and not the under classman?

Actually, say if a MI senior went to NHSCA tourney in Va.Beach, and this young man played a spring sport. He would be ineligible to play that sport.

Just saw recently MHSAA is going to allow there kids to attend the FloNationals Open.

Not true

then if a wrestler is from an independent middle that is not part of the khsaa system and is not associated with a high school is can do this  why cannot a home schooled child do this?

Even if Hall moves back to Michigan after the season and returns in the fall to compete again, it is still not as offensive as an Indiana resident, Knable,  allowed to compete in Ky and win 4 state titles.  The rules are always bent in Louisville. It is just comical that Louisville is finally on the receiving end of a rule bend and whining like a bunch of girl scouts with empty stolen cookie boxes.  Now that Louisville is getting dogged, maybe the KHSAA might change the rules.

I will tell what would have been really awesome to see. Knable being an Indiana resident and returning 3 time "Ky" state champ and have Hall move in as a senior weighing the same as Knable and beating him. That would be ironic. Would Louisville then have a legitimate beef? Oh well, I can only dream.

Not sure why you keep referring to this as if it is a "Louisville" thing.  It seems the comments regarding several of the issues raised are being generated from throughout the state including up here in N. KY.  The rule you are talking about with Knable has nothing to do with Louisville.  It is a National High School Federation rule that addresses border states and what happens when a kid attends school across a border from his residence.  It applies across the country and the rule basically states that you compete in High School based on where you attend school.  As I recall there are some KY kids in the Evansville area that attend HS in Indiana (Mater Dei or Memorial) that compete in IN rather than KY.  The same would be true if a KY kid attended Moeller or Lasalle. 

This has been a very interesting topic..............................

Can't wait to see the topic when mark hall wrestles in the Middle school state tournament. :-D

Not sure why you keep referring to this as if it is a "Louisville" thing.  It seems the comments regarding several of the issues raised are being generated from throughout the state including up here in N. KY.  The rule you are talking about with Knable has nothing to do with Louisville.  It is a National High School Federation rule that addresses border states and what happens when a kid attends school across a border from his residence.  It applies across the country and the rule basically states that you compete in High School based on where you attend school.  As I recall there are some KY kids in the Evansville area that attend HS in Indiana (Mater Dei or Memorial) that compete in IN rather than KY.  The same would be true if a KY kid attended Moeller or Lasalle.

Excellent point Bluesky, as it turns out, I do have a chip on my shoulder for the catholic schools in Louisville.  Mostly, it is football but as of the last few years, wrestling is now included.  They can and do recruit all over. Trinity and St X are essentially Louisville All Star schools.  Poor kid who is a great athlete, no problem, he's a scholarship.  Live in different county or even different state, no problem, we are a religous school and exempt from the govering rules applied to public schools.  When is the last time a public school won 6A state championship in football?  They circumvent the normal rules and legally recruit.

The entire Fern Creek wrestling team transferred to Trinity.

Some pathetic catholic school parent gets on the site and starts bashing Hall for legally moving into the state and legally wrestling and I find it appalling.  For these guys to even suggest something isn't fair is mockery of the very game they thrive on.  A little 7th grader is beating a Jolly Green state champ and people piss and moan about it.  I saw the match when Myron beat Hall earlier and the little 7th grader didn't come off the mat screaming and yelling at the coach and screeming at the ref. The little Michigan boy held his head up, took the defeat, practiced hard and returned only to beat our pride of Ky. I think it's shameless one of our very best screamed at the coaches and ref's. I think it's shameless Myron lives 60 miles away from Trinity and legally commutes daily only to have one of the catholic school parents cry about how unfair it is for Hall to wrestle.

You guys call it pride if you want, I call it shameless.  Notice, I never typed anything on this site until a parent gets on here and bashed Hall. Frankly, I don't give a &(*^% about anyone who thinks I'm being too mean.  The catholics have enjoyed the flexibility of the rules for years when it benefits them but the second it doesn't, they are the first to whine.   

i agree grapplesack that was awesome

i agree grapplesack that was awesome

Yeah, I don't even know much about the situation but that was a pretty good arguement right there.

Grapplesacks, your lack of understanding of the rules and the circumstances regarding Bradbury and Trinity's team are laughable.  Everyone reading your posts are laughing at your ignorance and obvious hatred of X and T for the ass-whooping that you must have taken on the mat and the football field by "Jolly Green".  You really should let it go and accept that you did not work hard enough to ever beat them. 

Many people have stated that their problem with Hall is the intention to move out and move back in next year and move back out again. 

Also, not one Trinity wrestler ever attended Fern Creek HS or FC middle, or FC elementary.  They wrestled for the Fern Creek Optimist Wrestling Club which has no association with FCHS.  Most of the kids attended St. Gabriel, a catholic "feeder" school to Trinity.  Explain to me the claim that Fern Creek HS has to these kids.

One last point.... Trinity did absolutely nothing to "recruit" these kids.  There was no contact with administration, coaches, etc.  The kids who attended feeder schools like St. Gabriel were on a mailing list for entrance exam dates, etc.  That is it.  The Bradbury's chose Trinity due to Myron's desire to wrestle with his friends Brad, Brent, Grant, and Erin in high school.  The fact that Trinity is an excellent school made it an easy decision.

And so was that......I should just stop posting and just read the posts instead

Blusky said:

[shadow=red,left]As I recall there are some KY kids in the Evansville area that attend HS in Indiana (Mater Dei or Memorial) that compete in IN rather than KY.  The same would be true if a KY kid attended Moeller or Lasalle.  [/shadow]

OHSAA specifically has a rule that says every athlete  on an Ohio team must live in Ohio.  Now there just might one or two kids wrestling for Cincinnati schools who are "bending" that rule but no names will be mentioned.

Excellent point Bluesky, as it turns out, I do have a chip on my shoulder for the catholic schools in Louisville.  Mostly, it is football but as of the last few years, wrestling is now included.  They can and do recruit all over. Trinity and St X are essentially Louisville All Star schools.  Poor kid who is a great athlete, no problem, he's a scholarship.  Live in different county or even different state, no problem, we are a religous school and exempt from the govering rules applied to public schools.  When is the last time a public school won 6A state championship in football?  They circumvent the normal rules and legally recruit.

The entire Fern Creek wrestling team transferred to Trinity.

Some pathetic catholic school parent gets on the site and starts bashing Hall for legally moving into the state and legally wrestling and I find it appalling.  For these guys to even suggest something isn't fair is mockery of the very game they thrive on.  A little 7th grader is beating a Jolly Green state champ and people piss and moan about it.  I saw the match when Myron beat Hall earlier and the little 7th grader didn't come off the mat screaming and yelling at the coach and screeming at the ref. The little Michigan boy held his head up, took the defeat, practiced hard and returned only to beat our pride of Ky. I think it's shameless one of our very best screamed at the coaches and ref's. I think it's shameless Myron lives 60 miles away from Trinity and legally commutes daily only to have one of the catholic school parents cry about how unfair it is for Hall to wrestle.

You guys call it pride if you want, I call it shameless.  Notice, I never typed anything on this site until a parent gets on here and bashed Hall. Frankly, I don't give a &(*^% about anyone who thinks I'm being too mean.  The catholics have enjoyed the flexibility of the rules for years when it benefits them but the second it doesn't, they are the first to whine. 

I know for  a fact the Hitchings went to Gabriel, my mother was their 7th and 8th grade science teacher.  As for the rest of them I can't speak, but I do know, living in FC area growing up that the Optimist club is not attached to the school system.  I played optimist baseball and basketball, and its was called Fern Creek Optimist and had nothing to do with the schools.

As I said earlier:

If you don't like the rules get them changed through the KHSAA l :|/ Move to where you like their rules  :-o/ Stay here, live with them and cry  :cry:about them on KYwrestling.com

The same for football, Synchronized swimming or chess.

Here is the link to the KHSAA if you want to change them: http://www.khsaa.org/ or to find a new home try this one (there are many others out there) http://www.realtor.com/ and finely Dr. phil to help you get through your dilemmas and for the chaos affecting your life http://www.drphil.com/

Grapplesacks, your lack of understanding of the rules and the circumstances regarding Bradbury and Trinity's team are laughable.  Everyone reading your posts are laughing at your ignorance and obvious hatred of X and T for the butt-whooping that you must have taken on the mat and the football field by "Jolly Green".  You really should let it go and accept that you did not work hard enough to ever beat them. 

Many people have stated that their problem with Hall is the intention to move out and move back in next year and move back out again. 

Also, not one Trinity wrestler ever attended Fern Creek HS or FC middle, or FC elementary.  They wrestled for the Fern Creek Optimist Wrestling Club which has no association with FCHS.  Most of the kids attended St. Gabriel, a catholic "feeder" school to Trinity.  Explain to me the claim that Fern Creek HS has to these kids.

One last point.... Trinity did absolutely nothing to "recruit" these kids.  There was no contact with administration, coaches, etc.  The kids who attended feeder schools like St. Gabriel were on a mailing list for entrance exam dates, etc.  That is it.  The Bradbury's chose Trinity due to Myron's desire to wrestle with his friends Brad, Brent, Grant, and Erin in high school.  The fact that Trinity is an excellent school made it an easy decision.

Spare me please. If my comments are laughable and venomous then why would you even take the time to address and substantiate them. Obviously, you are very much bothered by my comments as you provide a meek retort.  Face it, your condescending little comment about my laughable comments are in fact sending painful little shocks right up your spinless back. The are very much hitting a nerve and you know it! 

There are hundreds of 7th and 8th graders in Ky wrestling varsity and yet Hall is mentioned by name only after he beats Myron.  Parents find it "irritating". I find it irritating Knable lived in Indiana while he was winning the golds in Ky.

Why don't you comment on a senior returning state champ yelling and screaming at the ref and coaches after he losing to a little 7th grade boy.  Screaming at the ref because he didn't hit Hall for stalling in the final period of overtime.  A seniour who doesn't even know the rules of overtime. Teach him there is no such thing as stalling in the last period of OT. A senior acting that way. Come on RYP, step up to the plate and comment on this pathetic display of poor sportsmanship. Tell everyone what Hall did when he lost to Myron earlier. I suspect you will cowardly ignore it. Hall, the little Michigan boy, displayed phenomenal sportsmanship. I guess they taught him that in Michigan. I guess if he went to your school he would have screamed and yelled at the ref.

What is laughable is your lame diversionary attempt to make this about my insecurities and shortcomings. My day, like yours, is long gone. I am not here to compete or relish about my accomplishments. I want to point about the hypocrisy which exudes from a disgruntled parent who otherwise enjoys the flexibility afforded to him by his religious choice while at the same time bashing a little 7th grade boy. 

Myron travels 60 miles to go to Trinity. It is legal. Why don't you comment on his travel. It's legal, right! Hall is wrestling legally.

RYP you are right, nothing was done illegally in Louisville when the entire Fern Creek team left and went to Trinity. Personally I didn't care when they left. I only care now because the all mighty parents of Louisville can't keep their blow holes closed and start bashing a little 7th grader.

Spare me please. If my comments are laughable and venomous then why would you even take the time to address and substantiate them. Obviously, you are very much bothered by my comments as you provide a meek retort.  Face it, your condescending little comment about my laughable comments are in fact sending painful little shocks right up your spinless back. The are very much hitting a nerve and you know it! 

There are hundreds of 7th and 8th graders in Ky wrestling varsity and yet Hall is mentioned by name only after he beats Myron.  Parents find it "irritating". I find it irritating Knable lived in Indiana while he was winning the golds in Ky.

Why don't you comment on a senior returning state champ yelling and screaming at the ref and coaches after he losing to a little 7th grade boy.  Screaming at the ref because he didn't hit Hall for stalling in the final period of overtime.  A seniour who doesn't even know the rules of overtime. Teach him there is no such thing as stalling in the last period of OT. A senior acting that way. Come on RYP, step up to the plate and comment on this pathetic display of poor sportsmanship. Tell everyone what Hall did when he lost to Myron earlier. I suspect you will cowardly ignore it. Hall, the little Michigan boy, displayed phenomenal sportsmanship. I guess they taught him that in Michigan. I guess if he went to your school he would have screamed and yelled at the ref.

What is laughable is your lame diversionary attempt to make this about my insecurities and shortcomings. My day, like yours, is long gone. I am not here to compete or relish about my accomplishments. I want to point about the hypocrisy which exudes from a disgruntled parent who otherwise enjoys the flexibility afforded to him by his religious choice while at the same time bashing a little 7th grade boy. 

Myron travels 60 miles to go to Trinity. It is legal. Why don't you comment on his travel. It's legal, right! Hall is wrestling legally.

RYP you are right, nothing was done illegally in Louisville when the entire Fern Creek team left and went to Trinity. Personally I didn't care when they left. I only care now because the all mighty parents of Louisville can't keep their blow holes closed and start bashing a little 7th grader.

Honestly, as opposed to you who is bashing a little 12th grader?  Still a kid.  But you've proved your point, you don't like 'the all mighty parents of louisville who can't keep their blow holes closed'.  We get it.

Move on.

Blusky said:

[shadow=red,left]As I recall there are some KY kids in the Evansville area that attend HS in Indiana (Mater Dei or Memorial) that compete in IN rather than KY.  The same would be true if a KY kid attended Moeller or Lasalle.  [/shadow]

OHSAA specifically has a rule that says every athlete  on an Ohio team must live in Ohio.  Now there just might one or two kids wrestling for Cincinnati schools who are "bending" that rule but no names will be mentioned.

not entirely true oldwrestler81, there are these things called "exceptions". here is the list directly from ohsaa. i am glad you chose not too mention the kids name as he is completely legal and approved by ohsaa. i am sure as you are a ryle parent you are just a little disturbed they chose an ohio school over ryle.

EXCEPTION 3

I've stated troughout the post, we need to stop bashing these kids for being successful, no matter where they live or what their intentions are for wrestling in our state. Stop treating these kids as if they are doing something wrong. Their families are simply playing by the rules and for them to wrestle and be good is fantastic for our state. I apologize for those who have been treated unfairly in the post and good luck to you for the rest of the year. Bradbury is a great kid and a competitor, he shouldn't be treated this way by and adult. I don't know Hall but if he's wrestling he has that competitive nature. Stop making them feel ashamed of what have accomplished or will in the future.

Honestly, as opposed to you who is bashing a little 12th grader?  Still a kid.  But you've proved your point, you don't like 'the all mighty parents of louisville who can't keep their blow holes closed'.  We get it.

Move on.

Yep, you are right. I will stop with Myron.  It's not his fault the parents bashed Hall only after Myron lost to Hall. I was also giving a backhanded compliment to Hall for handling his Bradbury defeat with such class while at the same time letting Myron know his temper tantrum was unbecoming.  The sport of wrestling is admired by many because it teaches kids to be self accountable. When a wrestler yells at a coach following a loss, this behavior is contrary to the very essence of the sports.  Perhaps I was too hard of Myron. I apologize.

I will move on.

While we are all entitled to opinions these specific situations, I think the most important thing is that all of these schools have abided by the guidelines of KHSAA.  If not protest would have already been filed, so since no one is breaking rules, let's talk about the excitement that having some new outside blood has brought to the state and the state tournament if these two wrestler end up on the opposite side of the bracket which would be bad if that were to happen.  This would be like the Bradburry vs. Union kid two years ago where the semi-finals was really the finals matchup.  I understand it is a random draw but you want to see the best two kids in the finals.

Floridafan,

I am not "disturrbed" over who is not wrestling for Ryle.  I was referring to an older case where a KY boy was playing football for St. X (the Cincinnati one) and the specific case was mentioned in an OHSAA directive (I'm sorry if I don't recall exact name or case #) concerning out of state athletes.  I honestly did not know exceptions existed.

I wish I was Mark Hall, your AWESOME!!!! To have everybody talk about you, what a stud!! As Rush says , I will whip you with one hand tied behind my back!! WHAT A BEAST!! Soak it all In, because you are already a Legend, in the state of Kentucky!! :-D 8-) :-D 8-) :-D 8-) :-D 8-)

Yep, you are right. I will stop with Myron.  It's not his fault the parents bashed Hall only after Myron lost to Hall. I was also giving a backhanded compliment to Hall for handling his Bradbury defeat with such class while at the same time letting Myron know his temper tantrum was unbecoming.  The sport of wrestling is admired by many because it teaches kids to be self accountable. When a wrestler yells at a coach following a loss, this behavior is contrary to the very essence of the sports.  Perhaps I was too hard of Myron. I apologize.

I will move on.

yes you were too hard on myron, and now you are accusing his parents of talking smack , fact is i started this conversation in the dragon thread and i am not myrons parent. how bout you just stick to facts and assume nothing. now you have drug their name into this incorrectly. how about an apology to them now?

I think this discussion has broken the rules of this forum in many ways.  Moderator please lock this thread.

Well, I wasn't going to respond, but I think my son and I have a unique situation similar to the one you speak of.

We started training my son as soon as he could crawl, he was doing granbies before he started on baby food, we knew he was talented so we kept him away from bad (spoiled) kids with bad habits and began a intense ritual of raw meat , vegetables(mostly Jolly Green giant green beans) and Jolly ranchers to keep a little sweetness in him incase he decided not to wrestle till the day  he died.

We chained him to the basement wall with enough links to wrestle him on the concrete floor, he is now a 6th grader and we have decided to release him to the Ky wrestling community, he will eat St.X and Trinity kids for breakfast, he has no fear , but is curious of the outside world,  he is 1/4th Catholic  1/4 th Baptist , 1/4th Jahovias Witness and 1/4 Amish.

I think 7th grade is the best time to release him to the outside world, I believe he could go on the mat with the ryle and Trinity varsity teams in a battle royal, and still come out the victor.

Well, I hope your sons are ready for the ultimate test.

On a serious note, good luck to all kids in the upcoming State tournaments , Wrestling is the ultimate sport to teach a kid early in life that if you want something bad enough, hardwork, and persistance is your best friend , and hopefully they will take what they learn and use it for good in their everyday lives.

Whew some people really have the blood flowing now.

I will try to break this down as only the GOO can

Excellent point Bluesky, as it turns out, I do have a chip on my shoulder for the catholic schools in Louisville.  Mostly, it is football but as of the last few years, wrestling is now included. 

I'm glad that you can admit this.  This allows people to know where you are coming from.  (Not a bad thing)

They can and do recruit all over. Trinity and St X are essentially Louisville All Star schools.  Poor kid who is a great athlete, no problem, he's a scholarship.  Live in different county or even different state, no problem, we are a religious school and exempt from the governing rules applied to public schools.  When is the last time a public school won 6A state championship in football?  They circumvent the normal rules and legally recruit.

This is kind of a blurry area here.  Yes they do recruit but they don't do it on purpose.  Parents and kids are influenced by their reputation in some of their sports.  They are not contacted by the school but the media does this for them, just by printing that they won another state title.

As far as that goes however.  Who cares?  So they win every year good for them.  It's not unfair they do what they do.  And before you accuse me of being a Catholic you are sorely incorrect.  I don't worship anything, I'm Atheist. 

Some pathetic catholic school parent gets on the site and starts bashing Hall for legally moving into the state and legally wrestling and I find it appalling.  For these guys to even suggest something isn't fair is mockery of the very game they thrive on.  A little 7th grader is beating a Jolly Green state champ and people piss and moan about it.  I saw the match when Myron beat Hall earlier and the little 7th grader didn't come off the mat screaming and yelling at the coach and screeming at the ref. The little Michigan boy held his head up, took the defeat, practiced hard and returned only to beat our pride of Ky. I think it's shameless one of our very best screamed at the coaches and ref's. I think it's shameless Myron lives 60 miles away from Trinity and legally commutes daily only to have one of the catholic school parents cry about how unfair it is for Hall to wrestle. 

This is a whole different topic.  This boils down to coaching and parenting.  It has nothing to do with where someone Is from or their school of choice.  It is just a bash. 

The long and the short of this is this.  Life is unfair.  My mom told me this so many times when I was a kid I got tired of hearing it.  We are part of wrestling.  The best thing about wrestling is that it is mono-a-mono.  You against whoever is standing in front of you.  The technological age has clouded the waters.  40 years ago this would not have been an issue.  Heck even when I wrestled I didn't know about anyone in the "L" towns.  I just wrestled whoever was in front of me.  I didn't know if they were suppose to be good or bad.  I say allow kids to transfer wherever they want as often as they want.  Who cares.  GOO Jr. will wrestle you no matter where you are from, or whoever you wrestle for, and hopefully by his Sr. year he will defeat all that stand in front of him.  If not he will be disappointed but he will continue knowing he put everything he had into wrestling and became a better man because of it, no matter the outcome in the end. 

GOO - I got to hand it to you, you have a great outlook on things and a very clear thought process.  This whole thread has turned into a podium for ripping on Trinity, Hall, or Bradbury.  Any way we adults look at it or discuss it, come state time Ryle & Trinity are going to war, and Bradbury and Hall are gonna have another show down.  It'll be classic.  No matter what we all think about the catholics, the out of state kids, etc....  you can bet your ### all of the teams involved have dotted every i, and crossed every t.  All kids are "technically" legal and all the coaches/programs did things by the book.  Let's move on.

yes you were too hard on myron, and now you are accusing his parents of talking smack , fact is i started this conversation in the dragon thread and i am not myrons parent. how bout you just stick to facts and assume nothing. now you have drug their name into this incorrectly. how about an apology to them now?

floridafan I read some of your earlier posts and you often profess to be of superior intellect. I suggest you read my posts again and you should realize I said nothing of Myron's parents. I was clearly speaking of "the parent" who was bashing Hall. There is a difference between "the parent" and "his parent". The apology owed would be yours to me given you couldn't differentiate between the two.  The fact remains, I said nothing of Myron's parents. Duh! Although I'm certain you will reread the posts and probably feel like a total loser when you realize I was right and, of course, you were wrong. Please, I will forgive your intellectual shortcomings and consider the source.

Okay, grapplesacks. It took me a really long time to figure this out, as I went about my day fretting about how horrible it is for people to be irritated by situations. Like, you are really irritated by IK winning KY state titles when he didn't live in KY (I could show the quote but you know what you wrote) In fact, you would be totally illogical and going against your own irritated convictions if you are not equally irritated when and if Mr. Hall wins a state championship. A few months in a tent or motor home on someone else's property does not a resident make, does it? And the rules are the rules are the rules, right? So IK had every right to wrestle for his school, just like Mr. Hall does, right?

Truth be told, I have this sneaking suspicion that IK or some other private school kid must have kicked you all over the mat and you're still mad about it, after all these years. Sorry for the luck, Dude. Quit whining about it and be a man.

Wrong again coffee. Never wrestled Knable. Like I said, this is not about my accomplishments, my day is over.  Try to understand this concept if you can.  Knable was only an example demonstrating double standards.  As it turned out, it was a St X parent who was critical of Hall being allowed to wrestle given his questionable living situation. I ONLY USED KNABLE AS AN EXAMPLE SINCE KNABLE WAS A ST X GRADUATE AND THE PARENT WHO WAS CRITICAL WAS FROM ST X. Can you understand now? Wake up and smell the coffee! One should realize, I am not being critical of Knable. To rephrase the situation. IF IT WAS GOOD FOR ST X AND KNABLE BACK THEN, IT SHOULD BE GOOD FOR RYLE AND HALL NOW. In my opinion, Knable living out of the state and still competing in the state was far worse the Hall living in Ryle's district and wrestling for Ryle. If a parent from, let say, Larue County, were to question Hall's situation, well then, I would have little reason to use Knable as an example. In fact, I never would have used Knable at all. It was just to easy not to mention Knable when addressing the St. X parent. Got it coffee?

What is also laughable, is people speculating what Hall is going to do after wrestling. I suggest you and all the other lame brains double standard goof balls lobby KHSAA to have a bylaw stating "if we think you are going to move after the season, you will not be allowed to wrestle". lol. That one should get you far. 

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA LOL LOL LOL LOL Ooops sorry haven't had my coffee yet.  No wait a minute I don't drink coffee what am I to do. Ahh here we go Mr. Dew, its all up to you. 

Ok now maybe i won't be laughable. (C'mon Mt. Dew, do the trick)

I'm not going to re-read all the posts and scan them with a fine toothed comb, BUT (and thats a big but).  I don't think anyone is worried about if the young man from Ryle is eligible this year.  I believe the concern is for next year if and when he returns. 

As you already know I don't care if he leaves and comes back for only the wrestling season for the next 6 years.  But we do already have rules in place.  As long as things are done by the rules we already have then OK.  Lets just make sure that the rules are being followed, even if some people are more cleaver than others and find unique ways around them.  At least make it hard for them to do this.

Once again

this is the opinion of GOO nothing more and nothing less.

And if your like my wife she will say its not worth the screen its typed on.

GOO out.

I think my thoughts are clearer and we have heard alot of opinions so here is my bipartisan shot at equality for all middleschoolers.A parent openly states we are moving into a ky school district so that my child can compete highschool as a 7th grader and we have seen thats fine and legal.My position was, if that is fine and legal ,why is it illegal for a middleschooler who already lives in ky but whos parents have chosen a private or magnet school as their highschool of choice to have the same opportunity. I heard many say change schools,move to a new school district, and other extreme solutions that would be unecessary if we said ,their ky middleschoolers if they are good enough to win a highschool spot let them compete end of story everyone is equal. Then  we would be talking about how good they are for their age .

This is the thread that would not die, it should have been locked along time ago!

Good luck to all the kids, coaches and parents, lace up the shoes and snap on the headgear.

It will all be decided on the mat!

I think my thoughts are clearer and we have heard alot of opinions so here is my bipartisan shot at equality for all middleschoolers.A parent openly states we are moving into a ky school district so that my child can compete highschool as a 7th grader and we have seen thats fine and legal.My position was, if that is fine and legal ,why is it illegal for a middleschooler who already lives in ky but whos parents have chosen a private or magnet school as their highschool of choice to have the same opportunity. I heard many say change schools,move to a new school district, and other extreme solutions that would be unecessary if we said ,their ky middleschoolers if they are good enough to win a highschool spot let them compete end of story everyone is equal. Then  we would be talking about how good they are for their age .

are you going to include the home schoolers with this?

I think my thoughts are clearer and we have heard alot of opinions so here is my bipartisan shot at equality for all middleschoolers.A parent openly states we are moving into a ky school district so that my child can compete highschool as a 7th grader and we have seen thats fine and legal.My position was, if that is fine and legal ,why is it illegal for a middleschooler who already lives in ky but whos parents have chosen a private or magnet school as their highschool of choice to have the same opportunity. I heard many say change schools,move to a new school district, and other extreme solutions that would be unecessary if we said ,their ky middleschoolers if they are good enough to win a highschool spot let them compete end of story everyone is equal. Then  we would be talking about how good they are for their age .

Wow. Your diplomatic skills have improved.  You are no longer attacking Hall.  Your point is excellent and the fact your children can't wrestle is an injustice, seriously. But, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, the problem is more with the affiliation between the middle school and the high school.  Why doesn't the state recognize your middle school as a feeder program to St. X.....  Is it KHSAA not recognizing the middle school or is it the high school is just not part of the middle school.

Grapplesack- In case you couldn't figure it out that post was being facetious. However, no parent "bashed" the boy, ever. (I would challenge you to that fact, but you will swear that being "irritated" with a situation regarding middle school eligibility was bashing to a child- then somehow you convinced everyone here someone was bashing a child. Some people vouched for whoever the dad is and you STILL cut him down like you actually know him. Are you crazy? Don't you think you owe HIM an apology? I'm sure you don't and you'll tell me so. You know him better than the people who know him I'm sure. At least he was man enough to apologize even when he didn't need to- now THAT is the real man around here. (oops, I'm assuming things- you might very well be a girl so I apologize ahead of time if I offended or irritated you calling for you to man up.)

I don't think a lot of parents know the situation with kids in private schools not being able to wrestle, even if a "feeder program" is located in a high school where the middle schooler will go to school. I would love for people on here to voice opinions on that, not necessarily the Hall situation. I think it's important that people who can affect change (the khsaa people who make the rules) need to know this is happening. I think it needs to be changed to give kids equal opportunities. You're right, life's not fair, but this is a situation that is penalizing kids for no good reason. What good reason is there to allow some children opportunity and deny others? THAT is the real topic that came to light when Hall showed up.

Dog- the homeschoolers should absolutely be included in this (this is a topic that has been discussed before). The KHSAA website has something in their mission statement about giving all kentucky kids opportunity to compete at sports- but they don't mean that. They mean the ones who fall in line and attend their schools and pay their fees. It's basically a lie.

It all boils down to whatever kid should be able to wrestle for whoever. I know that wrestling has team awards and championships given for accomplishments they achieve but this is an individual sport. It doesn't matter if you lose to Hall whether he wrestles for Ryle or some Michigan school. If you get beat by Myron, you lost to Myron, whether he wrestles for Trinity for elsewhere. These are kids. It's a sport. Take the politics and technicalities out of it. It's the simplest, purest sport there is. Why cloud it with all this fighting over things that don't really matter to anyone unless they have a serious grudge against a certain school. We just have to deal with the cards we're dealt as far as the rules and bending them goes but it all really doesn't matter in the long run. Let this die. This thread should be locked or deleted or whatever. It's taking attention away from other, more productive topics.

I'm done reading all this. It's terrible that our sport has come to this and ALL BECAUSE OF A 7TH GRADE CHILD!!!!!

My grade and middleschoolers go to a very small private school that is accredited but not part of khsaa.We discovered that creates insurance issues at the highschool level so I think homeschoolers would have some work to do there.Our club team requires you to purchase your USA cards as part team membership and I think other teams do as well so this might be part of the issue club teams and school teams at the middleschool level,I never new and don't know what the difference is actually.I know young men from ferncreek and union who have competed highschool and there feeders are clubs but the athletes attended ferncreek and union middleschool.I have no problems with homeschoolers competing but I am sure the khsaa would.My situation is this we all know that competing at your highest level is key to getting better and some people do lots of camps some nationals or both,but some of us cant afford much of this so if our children could compete at their highest level within the school system it would help produce some KY grown champions that otherwise wont have many opportunities. Just trying to get some thoughts going in that direction for future athletes.

Let's remember that we are only entitled to an education. Wrestling or any other sport and extra curricular activity is a privilege.

To be considered the best you have to beat the best, no matter how old they are or what grade they are in, as long as they are in your weight class and competing against you for the same goals. Most tournaments have all ages ad grades. If you don't know, Jimmy Carr is the only high schooler to win the Midlands Wrestling Classic and was and Olympian while in high school. We should help kids try to achieve these types of goals, not worrying about where they are from, who they wrestle for, why they are here in KY, or how old they are. Be supportive, these kids could be our future Olympians.

Grapplesack- In case you couldn't figure it out that post was being facetious. However, no parent "bashed" the boy, ever. (I would challenge you to that fact, but you will swear that being "irritated" with a situation regarding middle school eligibility was bashing to a child- then somehow you convinced everyone here someone was bashing a child. Some people vouched for whoever the dad is and you STILL cut him down like you actually know him. Are you crazy? Don't you think you owe HIM an apology? I'm sure you don't and you'll tell me so. You know him better than the people who know him I'm sure. At least he was man enough to apologize even when he didn't need to- now THAT is the real man around here. (oops, I'm assuming things- you might very well be a girl so I apologize ahead of time if I offended or irritated you calling for you to man up.)

I don't think a lot of parents know the situation with kids in private schools not being able to wrestle, even if a "feeder program" is located in a high school where the middle schooler will go to school. I would love for people on here to voice opinions on that, not necessarily the Hall situation. I think it's important that people who can affect change (the khsaa people who make the rules) need to know this is happening. I think it needs to be changed to give kids equal opportunities. You're right, life's not fair, but this is a situation that is penalizing kids for no good reason. What good reason is there to allow some children opportunity and deny others? THAT is the real topic that came to light when Hall showed up.

Dog- the homeschoolers should absolutely be included in this (this is a topic that has been discussed before). The KHSAA website has something in their mission statement about giving all kentucky kids opportunity to compete at sports- but they don't mean that. They mean the ones who fall in line and attend their schools and pay their fees. It's basically a lie.

Ok coffee, my goal is to now make you fret all day. Why don't you reread Workhard's first post in which the context was very much adverse towards Hall. The implication was quite clear for a neutral reader. Then, read his latest post where he brought up very legitamate concerns regarding his sons being unable to wrestle for their prospective high schools. If you read and compare the two, you "should" realize, the second comment was not directed toward Hall at all. My point from the very beginning was one of duplicity and hipocrisy and negativity toward Hall. I'm sorry you are unable to comprehend my irritation. On a side note, I was not happy with the post match behavior of a senior state champ, one of Ky's prime wrestlers who happened to lose to Hall.  I then used this forum to vent on the catholics being given preferential treatment by allowing kids who live in different states and even different times zones to attend and compete for their school. You see coffee, it all tied together as far as I was concerned. 

You, however, were unable to appropriately read my test and YOU assumed I was slamming the parents of a returning state champs. Unfortunatley, the log in your eye caused a misreading "the parents" to "his parents". It was you who took this to a different level and personal level of this wrestler's parents. I simply pointed out you can't read....a product of poor education perhaps?

You now are asking me to apologize to the parents of someone I didn't even mention. I will meet you in the middle however. I will apologize! I apologize you don't have the mental facilities to read elementary level words and understand their meaing. I apologize I even dignify your responses with my time and effort. I apologize you lost the very game you played with other members of this site when you ripped into them by making fun of their intellect. I apologize you are fretting over my message that points out you misread and misinterpreting my other messages.

There you go. Are you happy. Wake up and smell youself.....  Think about that one for a while, it may make you laugh....if you get the joke.

Be supportive, these kids could be our future Olympians.

Amen! They could also be Presidents, Senators, Congressmen, Governors, Doctors, Teachers, most important is Parents. What is this thread telling them? Bottom line the KHSAA has rules, in this case no rules have been broken.

As I said earlier:

If you don't like the rules get them changed through the KHSAA l :|/ Move to where you like their rules  :-o/ Stay here, live with them and cry  :cry:about them on KYwrestling.com

The same for football, Synchronized swimming or chess.

Here is the link to the KHSAA if you want to change them: http://www.khsaa.org/ or to find a new home try this one (there are many others out there) http://www.realtor.com/ and finely Dr. phil to help you get through your dilemmas and for the chaos affecting your life http://www.drphil.com/

and finely Dr. phil to help you get through your dilemmas and for the chaos affecting your life http://www.drphil.com/

What about Oprah?????  :-D

Let's remember that we are only entitled to an education. Wrestling or any other sport and extra curricular activity is a privilege.

Very good point coach.  Sometimes we lose sight of this, thanks for pointing it out.

I am posting this to clarify a few things that have been said on this thread.  First off, my name is Lori Osborne.  Several of "us" from Ryle have been asked if we were grapplesack.  Please allow me to make it clear that I am not grapplesack, and although his identity is a mystery, the folks that I have talked to from Ryle (we are a close knit group) have made it known that they are not grapplesack.  Grapplesack is certainly entitled to his opinion, and to perceive things however he wishes, and to share them on this forum.  IF grapplesack is from Ryle (which I do NOT think he is) I can assure you that he is acting alone in his attack on the choices that some of the families (mentioned in previous posts) have made......past and present.

Although we are proponents of fierce competition on the mat......when the boys step off we respect them, their families and coaches as people, and consider most of them friends.  The Bradburys have never been anything other than friendly and kind to us.  I don't really know the Lampes, but I was a product of a catholic education, and I can appreciate the dilemma they find themselves in and admire the choices that they have made for their kids because they feel it is right for their family. 

Having a 7th grader earn a spot on the varsity squad took some getting use to for all of us.  Think about it........he took one of OUR kids spots.  But we remained open to the idea and got to know the kid and his father and they are very nice people and I respect them and their choices. 

I just wanted to clear the air a little bit since this thread has gotten so out of hand and has probably offended some people. 

From the Ryle wrestling community-we extend to all teams the wishes of safe and successful tournaments .... including the post season.  Good Luck to all!

Guys,

I enjoy Kentucky wrestling as much as anyone. I am always there to talk about the future studs of Kentucky. However, I am surprised about how this great message board has turned into a circus act. I am asking that no one attacks a kid, parent or religion while on this board. Lets be responsible with our comments. I have heard enough negative about Woodford county, Marky Hall, and Myrons parents to last me a life time.

However, it is my opinion that it is the responsibility of the moderators to make sure slander or defermation of character doesn't happen on this board. If something happens to a kid because of this board, I think you as the moderator should be held responsible. I am curious to see if it is legal to attack someone on this message board without possible punishment. If there is an attorney that reads this board, can you please fill me in on the law... If not, I will call one in the morning and fill everyone in on my findings.

With the new technology today and IP addresses, don't think you can hide behind a screen name. I wish everyone the best of luck these next few weeks.

Your friend in Wrestling,

Rob Boston

P.S.

Mr. Moderator,

Please remove all negative comments asap!

Rob Boston,

that was the point of me starting the post. I'm tired of all the people hiding behind a screen name and talking bad about a program or kids. This stuff needs to stop! We can't grow as a state when we don't support each other. Mark Hall, Bradbury, Trinity, Ryle, Woodford Co., Union Co., St X, Larue Co. and all other successful teams, are all successful cause they work hard, not by cheating or bending the rules. They are abiding by KHSAA rules. We need to stop this madness completely! PLEASE!!!

Awww c'mon.  This whole forum is just for kicks and giggles.  If your on here for something serious then I think you misunderstand what a forum is.

I see no slander going on here.  I see opinions that I don't agree with.  I see great opportunity to enhance my debating skills.  But as far as I know not one single person has ever been killed or even injured by words on paper or on a computer screen. 

Wrestling makes our kids mentally tough.  It's the biggest problem our youth have today.  I hear way to many kids saying "Mommy he called me a loser" and Mommy then calling a parent, teacher, principal, or lawyer because their little baby's feelings were hurt.

As I tell GOO Jr.  If something like this is the worst thing to happen to you in your lifetime feel greatfull.  I personally have lived through many more serious problems.  I would gladly have people say I was doing something wrong in a game or sport instead of this.

I don't tell you this for pity.  I'm way past that.  My motto is if you can't have fun and laugh at least once an hour you have problems ahead of you.  I smile the entire time I read all these posts.  Its entertaining to see how others view thing.

Once again this is the opinion of GOO take it or leave it

GOO out.

Grappler-of-old,

I am sorry that you don't agree with my comments. However, I am not going to debate it with you. You have 84 pages of posts, that equals to 1320 posts total. Therefore I have no doubt that you will argue your point until the cows come home... It took me about 3 minutes and two phone calls to figure out who you are..

I think I asked politely that no one post again about these topics, for the better of our sport.. I have had several emails thanking me for supporting this issue.  Grappler, If you have something to say to me please PM.

I am sorry for your losses, however lets not use your losses as a benchmark to evaluate the level of bashing a kid should endure.

Thanks again for your understanding,

Rob Boston

hey that makes me feel wonderful.

you actually took the time to find out who I may be.  And after you found out you don't know me from the man on the moon.  I am absolutly no one important at all.

Wow I must be really important to you.  And you are important to me.  You seem like a good debator.  I would be proud to debate you on something more important than kids wrestling.

Actually not all of those 1321 posts are all mine, but i have had fun posting alot of them.

But I will halt now in respect to the original GOO.  Sorry dude.  I may have gotten someone mad at ya.

But as far as I know not one single person has ever been killed or even injured by words on paper or on a computer screen. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21844203/

http://www.ryanpatrickhalligan.org/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584057,00.html

http://forums.joerogan.net/showthread.php?t=100001

http://poverty.suite101.com/article.cfm/cyber_bullying_can_kill

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/15/tech/main4100052.shtml

Know you Know!!!

Once again this is the opinion of GOO take it or leave it I will leave IT

GOO out.

Sorry I can't see videos on my computer.

But I will bet that people did this not the actuall words. 

My point is that people need to be thick skined.  Don't allow words to drive you to do something.  remember the old saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me". 

I would guess that tough minded wreslers can handle the word games.  You can call GOO Jr. whatever you want.  We don't allow words to influence us. 

While I will disagree with GOO that there can be harm that could come from the words we type on this forum, I do not believe anything has gone near that far.  As a moderator I have kept a close eye on this discussion and removed any comments I thought went too far.  From what I recall there has been nothing close to slanderous said about any kid.  My reference to Coty Lewis was probably as close as it came.  I only see praise and respect for Mark Hall.  There has been some discussion of Bradbury's actions after the loss, but I think that is fair game.  I didn't see it and haven't even heard anything from a reliable source, so I'm not too concerned about it.  The only "attacks" (if you want to call it that) was relative to parents and some of those were actually part of the discussion.  I agree some of the talk has been much less than constructive, it hasn't been anything I would be legally concerned about, and I think the rules discussion has been productive in helping us all understand a little about the situation of some kids around the state.

I guess it's my turn to post. First, I am not from Ryle and do not directly or indirectly represent them in any way. I didn't realize the Grapple name was a Ryle trademark. From now on, call me mudslinger, or just jackass. I will respond to either one.

Perhaps I have a warped sense of humor, but I derive tremendous entertainment from this site. Actually, arguing with parents on this site is often hilarious. If anyone becomes angry from what I am typing they should seriously reevaluate their lives and turn to something of more substance to better substantiate their lives. I am competitive, fiercely competitive. I was very competitive on the mat and remain highly competitive professionally.  Although I can no longer physically compete, I certainly enjoy the mental sparing with people in forms of debate. My mom always taught me not to pick on those less fortunate or make fun of those who can't help it... Well sorry Mom, I think I let you down. I've been on this website discussing and arguing with people and, well, think I've made some people cry. I believe my wit has left some whining and crying foul play. Please forgive me mom, the moderator is threatening to tell everyone my name and make you look bad for raising such a bad apple.

I agree with GOO about improving my debating skills. Usually, I'm Yappi.com, Ohio's sports forum. I have been involved in many knock down drag out fights. At the end, we usually come to a middle ground, laugh about it and move on. Amazingly, some of my most fierce debates have ended with an exchange of email addresses and developing friends at tournaments.

Everyone needs to remember one thing; Kentucky state wrestling medals are not handed out on this website. They are earned on the mat!

Now, I will evaluate myself. Am I aggressive and over-the-top? Yes! Do I twist others' comments and try to make them look like a fool? Yes! Do I jump to conclusions and sometimes sucker punch people by off the wall messages? Yes! Am I laughing while typing and hoping it makes others laugh or even get mad and respond back adversely? Yes!  Am I an antisocial human being? No! I do this just to spark serious debate and entertainment! Typically, I try to articulate my point using proper grammer etc. As a high school educated adult, I don't use run-on sentences, type entire paragraphs without a single period or comma and try to use words which might educate the kids on this site. Half the time it takes me several readings to even figure out what our Kentucky adults are even trying to communicate because their writing and communication skills are so elementary and poor. 

This site is typically not intellectually challenging. It usually consists of the same people saying the same thing over and over. This site hit its peak September 26, 2007 with 158 users. Today, it has less than half the volume. Why? Well maybe members are being threatened. Maybe the site is not stimulating to many.

This is one of the first topics I have found interesting and felt like commenting. Was I mean? Yes. Was I unfair? Perhaps! Did I step the intensity way up? Yes. Did I hurt some feeling? Yes. Did I bring up many valid points and hipocrisy? Yes Yes Yes. Did I debate others using facts and specific examples? Yes. Could others seriously intellectually counter many of my points? No. What happened when people couldn't counter my points. They went squalling to the moderators to close the thread. Did I get too rough on a high school wrestlers? Yes. Was I called out by a coach to stop roughing up the senior? Yes. Did I apologize? Yes. Am I perfect? Yes...I mean NO, NO I'm not perfect!

For a moderator to come on this site which is supposed to be anonymous and indirectly threaten or even suggest identity can be revealed I find appalling. Should the moderators feel it within their power to relinquish my identities then so be it. I have broad shoulders and very comfortable within my skin. Interestingly, the savvy readers know exactly who I am. But Mr. Moderator, if you want to reveal my identity then go ahead. Even kick me off if you choose. If I am so controversial and adverse to your site, you have the power to remove me.

I will profess to everyone. Read what I type and ignore it, agree with me, disagree with me citing evidence based counters, or simply stick your head under the pillow and start crying because I hurt your feelings, or call Mr. Moderator and have me banned.

Interestingly, one of my very best friends recieved one of my nastiest slams. He called me and laughed.

:-D :-D  well said  :-D :-D

There has been some discussion of Bradbury's actions after the loss, but I think that is fair game.  I didn't see it and haven't even heard anything from a reliable source, so I'm not too concerned about it. 

I was about 30 feet away at the end of that match.  Bradbury did say something, too much noise going on for me to hear what.  But, whatever it was, it was VERY brief and the young man then shook hands with Hall and the Ryle coaches and left the mat.  It was pretty much nothing at all considering the intensity of the match. 

I was about 30 feet away at the end of that match.  Bradbury did say something, too much noise going on for me to hear what.  But, whatever it was, it was VERY brief and the young man then shook hands with Hall and the Ryle coaches and left the mat.  It was pretty much nothing at all considering the intensity of the match.

No Chair shots, No eye gouges and no bad "Yo momma so fat" remarks at all? What the hell kind of way is that for a hotly contested match to end?

Way to go Moderator,you did exactly what you were suppose too.I was on a softball forum a few years back and something similar happened and it got out of hand.Parents of one of the players got a lawyer and the site was forced to identify the person causing the problems(  for slander).It turned out to be a coach of one of the local teams.He insulted parents,players and coaches many of whom were friends of his.But the joke was on him,he was fired.

I was about 30 feet away at the end of that match.  Bradbury did say something, too much noise going on for me to hear what.  But, whatever it was, it was VERY brief and the young man then shook hands with Hall and the Ryle coaches and left the mat.  It was pretty much nothing at all considering the intensity of the match.

This is absolutely true.  He was not happy yelped a bit  then regained his composure, shook hands and walked away.  I didn't really expect him to be full of good cheer.

Guys,

I enjoy Kentucky wrestling as much as anyone. I am always there to talk about the future studs of Kentucky. However, I am surprised about how this great message board has turned into a circus act. I am asking that no one attacks a kid, parent or religion while on this board. Lets be responsible with our comments. I have heard enough negative about Woodford county, Marky Hall, and Myrons parents to last me a life time.

However, it is my opinion that it is the responsibility of the moderators to make sure slander or defermation of character doesn't happen on this board. If something happens to a kid because of this board, I think you as the moderator should be held responsible. I am curious to see if it is legal to attack someone on this message board without possible punishment. If there is an attorney that reads this board, can you please fill me in on the law... If not, I will call one in the morning and fill everyone in on my findings.

With the new technology today and IP addresses, don't think you can hide behind a screen name. I wish everyone the best of luck these next few weeks.

Your friend in Wrestling,

Rob Boston

P.S.

Mr. Moderator,

Please remove all negative comments asap!

What a minute?  This is coming from the guy who's made referances to Trinity paying their wrestlers in the past?

Whine a little more Robbie.

I

Although we are proponents of fierce competition on the mat......when the boys step off we respect them, their families and coaches as people, and consider most of them friends.  The Bradburys have never been anything other than friendly and kind to us.  I don't really know the Lampes, but I was a product of a catholic education, and I can appreciate the dilemma they find themselves in and admire the choices that they have made for their kids because they feel it is right for their family. 

Really?  You all respected a whole lot of people at state last year, especially when you booed every single wrestler that wrestled a Ryle kid in the finals when their name was announced.  I sat right there in Dunbar;' section and watched your pack of NK moms get a big laugh booing and shouting insults at those kids.

Classy.

Or maybe it was the long haired guy with the neck tattoo at the Dragon this weekend that stood at the top of the stands and threatened to kill one of the refs after his son got pinned by Grad hitchings.  That was classy too.

grapplesack,

I am sure everyone in KY wrestling is grateful for your intelligence, wit, use of proper grammar and self promotion.  The truth is that no one attacked any wrestler or parent in any way except you.  Your zeal to defend your opinion hijacked the entire discussion and turned it personal.  Other posts were directed at the circumstances and rules related to the situation.  You were also the first person to attempt to identify someone with your implied accusation of who was making certain posts.  Then you cry foul when it is directed at you and say you find in appalling.  And you honestly wonder why participation on this message board has declined??

Please let me know if I have missed any commas or periods. WR.

Really?  You all respected a whole lot of people at state last year, especially when you booed every single wrestler that wrestled a Ryle kid in the finals when their name was announced.  I sat right there in Dunbar;' section and watched your pack of NK moms get a big laugh booing and shouting insults at those kids.

Classy.

Or maybe it was the long haired guy with the neck tattoo at the Dragon this weekend that stood at the top of the stands and threatened to kill one of the refs after his son got pinned by Grad hitchings.  That was classy too.

I saw that.... the long haired dude, he was yelling at the little Zeppa ref.  He was screaming cuss words and saying he was going to kill him, then started walking down the side stariwell

It was funny because the North oldham coach/ assitant coach both got up and followed the guy down the tunnel like they were going to beat his skull in!

grapplesack,

I am sure everyone in KY wrestling is grateful for your intelligence, wit, use of proper grammar and self promotion.  The truth is that no one attacked any wrestler or parent in any way except you.  Your zeal to defend your opinion hijacked the entire discussion and turned it personal.  Other posts were directed at the circumstances and rules related to the situation.  You were also the first person to attempt to identify someone with your implied accusation of who was making certain posts.  Then you cry foul when it is directed at you and say you find in appalling.  And you honestly wonder why participation on this message board has declined??

Please let me know if I have missed any commas or periods. WR.

yes you r right i agree completely i am broken now

grapplesack,

I am sure everyone in KY wrestling is grateful for your intelligence, wit, use of proper grammar and self promotion.  The truth is that no one attacked any wrestler or parent in any way except you.  Your zeal to defend your opinion hijacked the entire discussion and turned it personal.  Other posts were directed at the circumstances and rules related to the situation.  You were also the first person to attempt to identify someone with your implied accusation of who was making certain posts.  Then you cry foul when it is directed at you and say you find in appalling.  And you honestly wonder why participation on this message board has declined??

Please let me know if I have missed any commas or periods. WR.

my days of self promoting an anonymous person are over you guys have beaten me down and won i will stop from now on im sorry i hurt feelings i still never said anything about myrons parents i will become a kywrestling camilion i will not disagree or offer a differing opinion im very sorry

my days of self promoting an anonymous person are over you guys have beaten me down and won i will stop from now on im sorry i hurt feelings i still never said anything about myrons parents i will become a kywrestling camilion i will not disagree or offer a differing opinion im very sorry

Oh come on, we both know better than that.  It's in your blood.

I heard someone say that conflict is not necessarily a bad thing.  Conflict arises when we share the same goals, but disagree on how to accomplish them.  Many have posted that they want KY wrestling to grow, and perhaps there is disagreement on how to do it.  We have had terrific exchange on the various rules and how they affect our particular wrestling programs.  Perhaps some rules need to be revisited.  The long-short is that we all want KY wrestling to grow, and a little conflict along the way doesn't alter those plans.

Further, let me be the first to say that the next "Mark Hall" who transfers in from out of state is invited to attend my school and be a part of my wrestling program.  We will work to make you better, and you will work to make us better.  Any MS wrestler is welcome to move into my school's area and participate with us as well.  :-D

Good luck to everyone, and don't dwell on a little conflict.

I heard someone say that conflict is not necessarily a bad thing.  Conflict arises when we share the same goals, but disagree on how to accomplish them.  Many have posted that they want KY wrestling to grow, and perhaps there is disagreement on how to do it.  We have had terrific exchange on the various rules and how they affect our particular wrestling programs.  Perhaps some rules need to be revisited.  The long-short is that we all want KY wrestling to grow, and a little conflict along the way doesn't alter those plans.

Further, let me be the first to say that the next "Mark Hall" who transfers in from out of state is invited to attend my school and be a part of my wrestling program.  We will work to make you better, and you will work to make us better.  Any MS wrestler is welcome to move into my school's area and participate with us as well.  :-D

Good luck to everyone, and don't dwell on a little conflict.

YOU LYING, CHEATING, NO GOOD RECRUITING BUM!!!  :evil: :-D

For those of you legal types, I'm sorry, this was a joke.

my days of self promoting an anonymous person are over you guys have beaten me down and won i will stop from now on im sorry i hurt feelings i still never said anything about myrons parents i will become a kywrestling camilion i will not disagree or offer a differing opinion im very sorry

hey mudslinging jackass, this may not be the best time to mention this since you appear to be broken, but it's chameleon not camilion.  you must have got camilion from your public school ejucation.  JUST KIDDING everyone.  but seriously, it is chameleon. 

i'll give you credit for getting the blood pumping on the message boards again and bringing up a subject that is mostly taboo and discussed behind everyone's backs.  you are a MASTER deBATER.  as ryledad said like 10 pages before, the rules probably need to be looked at.  but my kid's a senior, and there's a long time away before 5T unleashes his wrath on kywrestling, hopefully it's all squared away by then.

A great friend of mine and former wrestling coach is a deocrated Vietnam war veteran.  We were having this interesting discussion about the causes of war;  religion, land, wanting the same woman, etc.  My friend and coach summed it up the best when he told me, "men like to mix it, as long as men inhabit this world there will be fights and wars".  I am too old to wrestle now but I still like to "mix it".  Call me Napolean!!!!!!  some may say I'm Hitler, but I prefer Napolean!

hey mudslinging jackass, this may not be the best time to mention this since you appear to be broken, but it's chameleon not camilion.  you must have got camilion from your public school ejucation.  JUST KIDDING everyone.  but seriously, it is chameleon. 

i'll give you credit for getting the blood pumping on the message boards again and bringing up a subject that is mostly taboo and discussed behind everyone's backs.  you are a MASTER deBATER.  as ryledad said like 10 pages before, the rules probably need to be looked at.  but my kid's a senior, and there's a long time away before 5T unleashes his wrath on kywrestling, hopefully it's all squared away by then.

my misspelling and lack of punctuation was satire, certainly you knew that

Really?  You all respected a whole lot of people at state last year, especially when you booed every single wrestler that wrestled a Ryle kid in the finals when their name was announced.  I sat right there in Dunbar;' section and watched your pack of NK moms get a big laugh booing and shouting insults at those kids.

Classy.

Or maybe it was the long haired guy with the neck tattoo at the Dragon this weekend that stood at the top of the stands and threatened to kill one of the refs after his son got pinned by Grad hitchings.  That was classy too.

I knew when I posted that I would have people take pot shots at me.  I will go on record and say I did not boo ANYONE......I may boo a bad call (or lack of a call) but not a kid.  Obviously I am not the long haired guy with the tattoo on the neck either. 

Anyone who knows me knows that my spirit is closer to my previous posting than what you have portrayed.  Go ahead and make me the whipping girl for all things that anyone from Ryle has ever done.  I am big enough to handle it. 

last year during the 160 state finals, there was a guy yelling at harrison courtney saying he was the worst 4x state champ ever and yelling just a bunch of garbage, for someone to yell something like that to someone is very wrong, after harrison won the match his mom tourned around and looked at the guy like he was crazy

I heard the guy yelling, one of my friends threw a glow stick at him. He was from Cambell co. However, the kid's dad who Harrison beat went to Harrison and congratulated after the match. It was some other person yelling probably because they were jealous that their kids weren't in that position.

Really?  You all respected a whole lot of people at state last year, especially when you booed every single wrestler that wrestled a Ryle kid in the finals when their name was announced.  I sat right there in Dunbar;' section and watched your pack of NK moms get a big laugh booing and shouting insults at those kids.

Classy.

Or maybe it was the long haired guy with the neck tattoo at the Dragon this weekend that stood at the top of the stands and threatened to kill one of the refs after his son got pinned by Grad hitchings.  That was classy too.

I saw that guy too. It was right in front of my section. The funniest part was he kept screaming about Hitchings using "UFC moves", although every thing he did was completely legal.

Every team will occasionally have that one parent from hell.  This year Ryle has one.  I saw the Ryle and Trinity coaches actually laughing about it after the "ufc" rant

Every team will occasionally have that one parent from hell.  This year Ryle has one.  I saw the Ryle and Trinity coaches actually laughing about it after the "ufc" rant

Somebody should've looked up and yelled "DEF LEPPARD SUCKS" lol

I knew when I posted that I would have people take pot shots at me.  I will go on record and say I did not boo ANYONE......I may boo a bad call (or lack of a call) but not a kid.  Obviously I am not the long haired guy with the tattoo on the neck either. 

Anyone who knows me knows that my spirit is closer to my previous posting than what you have portrayed.  Go ahead and make me the whipping girl for all things that anyone from Ryle has ever done.  I am big enough to handle it.

You are not that big.    I've been on the opposite site of the mat of a lot of Ryle kids and I have to say I've been generally pleased with their parents and fans.  As has been mentioned, every team has that one guy who they would like to lock in the truck of a car.

I asked our coaches how  they would handle the situation of a move in move out athlete.  They said they would like to think they would not allow this but did not know until it happened.  I let it be known that they would no longer have my support if they allowed this to happen.  I feel too strongly against it to participate.  I have lobbied long and hard against these move in athletes and though I am sure it will not change, I am proud of my stance on this issue and will root long and hard against these kids.  Will not bring myself to booing them but will never cheer for them.  I have always been an extremely fierce competitor but I must be losing my edge because there are some lines I won't cross!

Newfan13,

I understand your frustration but its not up to the coach to allow or not to allow this to happen.  If he made a legitimate move you cant stop him from wrestling. What grounds are you going to use to keep him from wrestling? He is too good? I really think everyone needs to move past this and talk about Travis K., Caleb or Brock Ervin, Fahy or whoever.. Talk about positive things that we can control.. Don't let this eat at you...

I am really glad to see that we stopped attacking each other on this topic.  Everyone be safe this weekend.

Okay... on the transferring in/out.  Again we are bashing coaches for a academic decision.  If the school accepts the child as a student of their school, and they meet all eligibility requirements, the coach doesn't have the right to refuse that child from competing.  The coach doesn't decide who can attend the school the administration does.  If they are a student in good standing they can compete in any sport.  If a parent decides to move to a specific district to have their child participate in that schools program... that's their decision... just like holding them back a year again... the parents decision.  Then they must show the school's admin they belong there.  The coach coaches whomever is presented as a student of their school.  Stop finding fault in the coach and kid in these circumstances and look at what that kid can bring to the program, sport, and state.  No wonder Kentucky is lagging behind... we are our own worst enemy.

I agree with GOO about improving my debating skills. Usually, I'm Yappi.com, Ohio's sports forum. I have been involved in many knock down drag out fights. At the end, we usually come to a middle ground, laugh about it and move on. Amazingly, some of my most fierce debates have ended with an exchange of email addresses and developing friends at tournaments.

Everyone needs to remember one thing; Kentucky state wrestling medals are not handed out on this website. They are earned on the mat!

I agree with GOO about improving my debating skills. Usually, I'm Yappi.com, Ohio's sports forum. I have been involved in many knock down drag out fights. At the end, we usually come to a middle ground, laugh about it and move on. Amazingly, some of my most fierce debates have ended with an exchange of email addresses and developing friends at tournaments.

Everyone needs to remember one thing; Kentucky state wrestling medals are not handed out on this website. They are earned on the mat!

mr grapplesack sir, i am sorry for the delayed response, but i guess i was placed in timeout by the mighty moderator . it seems all of my smack downs on you have been deleted as well. i apologize for the attack on your heterosexuality or your lack there of(is this ok to say almighty moderator?). just kidding i really dont care if i insulted you, because this is a forum. i am using a ficticous name insulting another ficticious name (hard to believe i know, my real name is not "floridafan" and i am almost sure that "grapplesack" is also not on your birth certificate. this site had gotten so boring i turned to the " girls chess " forum for excitement. i appreciate your debating and smart elic comments. it is not uncommon to have debates like this on yappi on any given day. what happen to the days of I PINNED EM ALL, OLYMPIC WISH,I DATED YOUR MOM, and the recently resurrected PIONEER-PRIDE, being total idiots on this forum? i loved it. thank goodness the likes of GOO and grapplesack are stepping up to the plate.so for this one moment in time , i will agree with you grapplesack, lets have fun and bash eachother and move on. i am sure we all agree that we need to keep attacks on wrestlers out of this, however attacking eachother is a good thing to keep this site interesting. bring it on sacklover.(mr moderator, that is sack, like brown bag sack, not like ,well you know.

Hi sweetheart, ya miss me?

Hi sweetheart, ya miss me?

if i were of grapplesacks orientation, i would kiss you. (see ya when i am out of time out)

if i were of grapplesacks orientation, i would kiss you. (see ya when i am out of time out)

Mark hall = good wrestler good for ky wrestling, makes whoever wrestles him better

I hope they meet in the finals, will be a grea tmatch.  I wasn't at the Dragon, but I saw the first time they locked up.  Third time has gotta be even better.

I agree with GOO about improving my debating skills. Usually, I'm Yappi.com, Ohio's sports forum. I have been involved in many knock down drag out fights. At the end, we usually come to a middle ground, laugh about it and move on. Amazingly, some of my most fierce debates have ended with an exchange of email addresses and developing friends at tournaments.

Everyone needs to remember one thing; Kentucky state wrestling medals are not handed out on this website. They are earned on the mat!

mr grapplesack sir, i am sorry for the delayed response, but i guess i was placed in timeout by the mighty moderator . it seems all of my smack downs on you have been deleted as well. i apologize for the attack on your heterosexuality or your lack there of(is this ok to say almighty moderator?). just kidding i really dont care if i insulted you, because this is a forum. i am using a ficticous name insulting another ficticious name (hard to believe i know, my real name is not "floridafan" and i am almost sure that "grapplesack" is also not on your birth certificate. this site had gotten so boring i turned to the " girls chess " forum for excitement. i appreciate your debating and smart elic comments. it is not uncommon to have debates like this on yappi on any given day. what happen to the days of I PINNED EM ALL, OLYMPIC WISH,I DATED YOUR MOM, and the recently resurrected PIONEER-PRIDE, being total idiots on this forum? i loved it. thank goodness the likes of GOO and grapplesack are stepping up to the plate.so for this one moment in time , i will agree with you grapplesack, lets have fun and bash eachother and move on. i am sure we all agree that we need to keep attacks on wrestlers out of this, however attacking eachother is a good thing to keep this site interesting. bring it on sacklover.(mr moderator, that is sack, like brown bag sack, not like ,well you know.

Hey man, thanks a lot for noticing i was an idiot on here!  It's always nice to be appreciated.

btw floridafan, i just noticed grapplesack has been typing up a post for like 20 minutes.  good job rattling his cage again.

I agree with GOO about improving my debating skills. Usually, I'm Yappi.com, Ohio's sports forum. I have been involved in many knock down drag out fights. At the end, we usually come to a middle ground, laugh about it and move on. Amazingly, some of my most fierce debates have ended with an exchange of email addresses and developing friends at tournaments.

Everyone needs to remember one thing; Kentucky state wrestling medals are not handed out on this website. They are earned on the mat!

mr grapplesack sir, i am sorry for the delayed response, but i guess i was placed in timeout by the mighty moderator . it seems all of my smack downs on you have been deleted as well. i apologize for the attack on your heterosexuality or your lack there of(is this ok to say almighty moderator?). just kidding i really dont care if i insulted you, because this is a forum. i am using a ficticous name insulting another ficticious name (hard to believe i know, my real name is not "floridafan" and i am almost sure that "grapplesack" is also not on your birth certificate. this site had gotten so boring i turned to the " girls chess " forum for excitement. i appreciate your debating and smart elic comments. it is not uncommon to have debates like this on yappi on any given day. what happen to the days of I PINNED EM ALL, OLYMPIC WISH,I DATED YOUR MOM, and the recently resurrected PIONEER-PRIDE, being total idiots on this forum? i loved it. thank goodness the likes of GOO and grapplesack are stepping up to the plate.so for this one moment in time , i will agree with you grapplesack, lets have fun and bash eachother and move on. i am sure we all agree that we need to keep attacks on wrestlers out of this, however attacking eachother is a good thing to keep this site interesting. bring it on sacklover.(mr moderator, that is sack, like brown bag sack, not like ,well you know.

OMG, floridafan you really get. Wow! Just when I was thinking you were two pounds of fromunda cheese, you post a brilliant response. I am an anonymous person smashing another anonymous person! No slander, nothing personal just entertainment and good old fashion debate. Actually, perhaps I shouldn't down play the site. I do beleive there are very legitamate areas of discussion and debate. Hopefully, Mr. Moderator won't spill my identity and make me have to confront and beat up all of those dads I have insulted over the years.... One dad at a time, I will take each one of you! 

If I make an assumption, god forbid, I will disagree with the spirit of Newfan. If Newfan is against kids moving in then why didn't he agree with the Knable issue. Afterall, the kid did live in another state and time zone! Oh well, I probably shouldn't dig that one up again.

I miss the days of I pinned em all and I date ur mom as well. Those two were brilliant and definetly added spice to the site.  Olympic wish was also alot of fun.  I believe some people want everyone to be like little ants marching. Like all ants though, there must be one queen, I will assign floridafan the queen role given his previous comments which had to be deleted, lol.  No, I'm not the king, that would imply freaky stuff, however, pioneer pride can be your king, I believe he fits the role too.

Back to you floridafan, you made me laugh, partly because you actually looked up the definition of grapplesack on websters and partly because I realized you are an anonymous person and proof man can live and funtion without a brain! Anyway, bring it on I will gladly crush you like a bug on the next debate if allowed by Mr. Moderator.

Sincerely yours,

$#%^&&#@@**^)&^

MAN!!  I just got done reading all the posts in this thread.  It is insane how sensitive some of you are.  I've been on many sports forums where the slams are way worse then on here.  Rob Boston needs to take a laxative.  Seriously.  To threaten people with a lawsuit because heavens forbid people were upset that Marky Mark came into the state and admitted he was moving in, taking a gold, and moving out, can anyone say UPTIGHT?  People have a right to be upset about that and voice their opinions.  Why not?  Then you have grapplesack who is upset about the private schools and their recruiting practices.  I honestly think he has made the most sense out of anyone on this thread and I didn't notice any bad language or anything that should get him banned or the thread locked.  You want to have his identity revealed?  Stay in your own state slick.  If you don't like what he has to say don't view the thread or argue against his point.  Lighten up people, really.  Is this Afghanistan or cold war USSR? 

OMG, floridafan you really get.

First off, a grown man starting a post with OMG is more fitting of the queen ant role than anyone else on here.  Secondly, floridafan looked up the term grapplesack, but you NAMED yourself a grapplesack.  Wear your crown with pride queen ant.

Hi sweetheart, ya miss me?

Can it be true? Has he risen from the dead.  The Antichrist is back.  I thought he was slain and his bones burned?  How did you escape from Dean and Sam? (A "Supernatural" reference)

To bad they took away the karma numbers I was catching you. 

Let the fun begin.

Can it be true? Has he risen from the dead.  The Antichrist is back.  I thought he was slain and his bones burned?  How did you escape from Dean and Sam? (A "Supernatural" reference)

To bad they took away the karma numbers I was catching you. 

Let the fun begin.

Fast as fast can be, you'll never catch me!

Can it be true? Has he risen from the dead.  The Antichrist is back.  I thought he was slain and his bones burned?  How did you escape from Dean and Sam? (A "Supernatural" reference)

To bad they took away the karma numbers I was catching you. 

Let the fun begin.

No for real, they salted the earth (ala carthage)  they poured liquid metal in my fundiment (ala edII i think) but alas, I lurked and I lurked, and you know I haven't said crap since my tirade against K-10 the crapmaker, but someone went and gave me some praise, so I just had to come back.

In my small, pathetic life (thanks mommy eagle) this is one little shred of happiness I have!

No for real, they salted the earth (ala carthage)  they poured liquid metal in my fundiment (ala edII i think) but alas, I lurked and I lurked, and you know I haven't said crap since my tirade against K-10 the crapmaker, but someone went and gave me some praise, so I just had to come back.

In my small, pathetic life (thanks mommy eagle) this is one little shred of happiness I have!

Olympic wish I envy the disdain and contempt everyone feels for you. I'm a little put out wrestlemomma had to get righteous and point out I wasn't from Ryle. I reread my posts and never eluded to being from Ryle, I was only defending Mark Hall's right to wrestle while pointing out the religous schools have been playing that game for years.  I was gonna ask wrestlemomma if I can next time take the name "grapplebag" providing she hasn't laid claim to it, lol.

Someone pointed out if Mark Hall is a 6 time state champ, Kentucky can't take credit. I disagree.  St X and Ky take credit for Knable, the Indiana resident, dangit, I'm gonna take credit for Hall.  BTW, I would like  Mr. Boston to reread my posts and point out where I said anything personal and slanderous. Remember, people read what they want to read. The word catholic is not a bad word is it? Read my posts again and point out where I said anything derogatory about catholics or religion.

Olympic wish I envy the disdain and contempt everyone feels for you. I'm a little put out wrestlemomma had to get righteous and point out I wasn't from Ryle. I reread my posts and never eluded to being from Ryle, I was only defending Mark Hall's right to wrestle while pointing out the religous schools have been playing that game for years.  I was gonna ask wrestlemomma if I can next time take the name "grapplebag" providing she hasn't laid claim to it, lol.

Someone pointed out if Mark Hall is a 6 time state champ, Kentucky can't take credit. I disagree.  St X and Ky take credit for Knable, the Indiana resident, dangit, I'm gonna take credit for Hall.  BTW, I would like  Mr. Boston to reread my posts and point out where I said anything personal and slanderous. Remember, people read what they want to read. The word catholic is not a bad word is it? Read my posts again and point out where I said anything derogatory about catholics or religion.

You see we're tlaking about two differant wrestle mommas.  Mine is in Region 5.

Before we get ahead of ourselves and give Hall 2 championships  1  he has to beat Myron again at state  and  b  next year I have a sneaky suspicion he will have to go through Fahy!!

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Can't we all just get along

                          :-D

Before we get ahead of ourselves and give Hall 2 championships  1  he has to beat Myron again at state  and  b  next year I have a sneaky suspicion he will have to go through Fahy!!

Good point newfan, they have already but handed him the medal.

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Can't we all just get along

                          :-D

Remember, Rodney King's quote followed racial riots and I believe a few deaths. I know one man got a brick upside the head.  We haven't come close to that yet.  Brother Bobbie Boston came on and gave us all a dose of salt peter calming everyone down. No blood shed, no harm, just peace and love from now. Everyone agrees. Love is in the air. Thanks Brother Bob. 

Let me be the first to say I dont think Mark Hall is going to win any state championships in KY.

Go Myron and the rest  of the KY kids!

Remember, Rodney King's quote followed racial riots and I believe a few deaths. I know one man got a brick upside the head.  We haven't come close to that yet.  Brother Bobbie Boston came on and gave us all a dose of salt peter calming everyone down. No blood shed, no harm, just peace and love from now. Everyone agrees. Love is in the air. Thanks Brother Bob.

I heard reports of bricks through computer screens (good thing some people were log off at the time) and that the ACLU has been contacted about a lawsuits. With all the HOT tempers on this thread, God made it snow in KY to COOL everyone down (look what that got us).

Did you know:

Styles Of Anger

Each of us develops their own special style of anger:

    * The "Mad Hatter" Driver: This person yells, curses, and offers gestures to other 

      drivers when s/he is in a hurry and frustrated.

    * The Sulker: This person shuts down in a chair and stops speaking and looking at

      others.

    * Safe Haven Abuser: This person takes her/his frustration out only on the ones s/he

        loves.

    * The Distractor: This person disregards the object of his annoyance by reading the

      paper, forgetting to run an errand, or playing the radio too loudly. When s/he is

      confronted, the response is: I didn't know; I forgot; I'm tired.

    * The Blamer: This person blames everybody for everything and rarely accepts

        responsibility for his own short comings.

    * The Avenger: This person believes s/he has been given the right to seek vengeance

      in any way for anything by using the excuse: they deserved it.

Which one are YOU?

Anger Check List -- How Is Your Anger?

    0  People tell you that you need to calm down.

    0 You feel tense much of the time.

    0  At work, you find yourself not saying what is on your mind.

    0 When you are upset, you try to block the world out by watching TV, reading a book 

      or magazine, or going to sleep.

    0 You are drinking or smoking marijuana almost daily to help you calm down.

    0 You have trouble going to sleep.

    0 You feel misunderstood or not listened to much of the time.

    0 People ask you not to yell or curse so much.

    0 Your loved ones keep saying that you are hurting them.

    0 Friends do not seek you out as much.

Scoring:

    * 0 - 2 = MANAGEABLE: you could benefit from relaxation training.

    * 3 - 5 = MODERATE: you need to learn more about what stresses you, and learn stress management techniques.

    * 6 + = OUT OF CONTROL: you have an anger problem that could benefit from learning anger management techniques.

Conclusion Anger reactions have been likened to a train running out of control and about to derail. A little anger can motivate us to take action in positive ways. A lot of anger will make us "red with rage." The price for anger that is out of control will drive away those whom we love the most and endanger our daily normal existence.

should have said,

Can't we all just wrestle along

Very interesting post on qualifications of anger.

Seriously, do you really think we elevated to the point of anger, really, ANGER. Not me. Geez, I hope no one really got, I mean, really angry at my posting. Should I leave the site? I didn't know I had that much power and influence over others to make them ANGRY.  Come on, ANGRY? If my typed words are so mesmerizing and powerful, just think what my spoken words could do. Dang, I could run for president. Obama, look out! Ronald Reagan's protege is about to take over!

I was just kind of wondering why Larue and Campbell aren't on this list of schools that are hated, booed and (as some have stated on here) slandered? They are also some of the top school year in and year out.  :-o

Very interesting post on qualifications of anger.

Seriously, do you really think we elevated to the point of anger, really, ANGER. Not me. Geez, I hope no one really got, I mean, really angry at my posting. Should I leave the site? I didn't know I had that much power and influence over others to make them ANGRY.  Come on, ANGRY? If my typed words are so mesmerizing and powerful, just think what my spoken words could do. Dang, I could run for president. Obama, look out! Ronald Reagan's protege is about to take over!

Now wait a minute, I never said your name or accused you of anything. You better go back and read my posts and take back what you just said :-D . If not you will force me to contact the proper authorities and have you put in TIME OUT  :oops: and it will stay on your record. When you run for president all of your posts will come back and bite you. Right now I am printing all of your posts. The people of the U.S.A will see you for what you are, even if your typed words are so mesmerizing and powerful. :-D

I was just kind of wondering why Larue and Campbell aren't on this list of schools that are hated, booed and as some have stated on here slandered?  :-o

I heard that that no one wants to tick off a certain person on this site, at least for one of the schools. Could be repercussions.  :-o :-D

ttt

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