Due to the weather the duals have been cancelled.

Yeah I heard at school earlier    :-(

Due to the weather the duals have been cancelled.

Is this official? We were told a few minutes ago they would let us know by 2:30.  Are you a rep from HC?

Why?  :-( :-(

How Do you know?

Its official, When i was told I just wanted to make sure I got it on here asap to give people a heads up.

I am a coach at Henry Clay and they have been cancelled for sure.  Reason is the various school districts will not allow their teams to travel because of the weather.  Kind of sucks because this is two years in a row.  There's no chance of them being rescheduled because next weekend all the teams have committed to various tournaments and it's not right to just pull out.  Sorry and we hope to see everybody next year.

BOO! This is ridiculous, i mean honestly im pretty certain something can be worked out.  :x :x :x :x

I don't understand why it just can't be carried on with the schools that are able to get there...if there are only 8, 7 however many it would still be some good matches and at least not cancel it.  Unless of course it's only 2!

Really hate that for the kids and especially feel bad for the Henry Clay staff who has had it cancelled on them two years in a row. Good luck to every team at regions

Wow. the ky weather screws us once again.

Trust me we explored a couple of different options with rescheduling and nothing would work.  And we didn't make the call in cancelling it, the Coaches Association made the call because the different districts forbade the teams, and all other athletic teams from traveling.  I don't know the exact number but more than half the teams couldn't come.

bull... terrible luck. two years in a row. ridiculous,  you would think some sort of plan would come into play after last years mishap.  :cry: :x :x :cry:

Here is an option: :|

Both venues at the same place and everyone can see the events.

Have the State Duals that Friday @ Frankfort and go back to having the State Championships a 16 man bracket on Saturday

The facility is already booked. :mrgreen:

it hasnt even started snowing even in south

it hasnt even started snowing even in south

Wait till between 2-5am when your asleep in bed wrapped up in a blanket dreaming of how your going to win that State Championship :wink:

Also MS State Duals are tomorrow and are NOT cancelled.  Teams from all over the state are travelling without a problem.  Come on, the Lexington area is forecasted to get 1 INCH of snow.  This is ridiculus.

I don't even think ridiculous is the word for it. There needs to be a back up plan you dont see other winter sports cancelling they're state championships. Basketball, nope.  :x :x :x :x :x

I will address this since I was involved in the decision. I would love for the State Duals to have occurred since it is the first time Lafayette has earned a spot in the tournament...but...we have to step away from winning and coaching and do what is right for the safety of all involved. The decision cannot be made at 5:00 AM and risk putting buses on the road in the snow and in the dark. Safety comes first. To all of those wanting to move forward I ask you this. How many getting hurt is OK?

Also, there have been several discussions about a backup plan for future events. I apologize this effects your team and you feel it is ridiculous. It effects my team as well but the right decision was made. Several want to comment on what needs to happen and the mishap here and the mishap there. Again I ask, how many getting injured is OK?

I don't even know if this is possible, but just throwing it out there.  What about remote weigh-ins tonite for the teams and then wrestling starting at 10:30 or 11.  Or just pushing weigh-ins tomorrow back to 10:30?  I am not even involved in it but hate to see it get cancelled especially for Lafayette as has been mentioned, you know how much effort and planning goes into a tournament to see it go away.

i personally understand the safety thing, but for cryin outloud, the MIDDLE SCHOOL STATE DUALS AND JV STATE TOURNAMENT ARE STILL BEING HELD!!!!! there is no snow on the ground, the storm system has been over top of the state for 3 hours now, and all the "bad things" that will cause roads to be bad (ice, sleet, etc...) are south. how has the right decision been made, when there hasn't been anything happen yet to cause concern??? I personally think its pretty pathetic for an event like this to be canceled because of a THREAT of bad weather, but that's just the opinion of someone who has lived here all their life and seen events go on during weather much worse than what is suppossed to happen tonight.

I completely agree with the previous 2 posts.  There are certainly some alternative plans that could be made to ensure safety.  Have remote weigh-ins tonight, delay start tomorrow to re-evaluate.  There might not even be ANY snow or just a dusting.  This seems like a premature decision.  I have heard that some teams are already on the way!

I remember when I was in school (16-20 years ago) and even after when at J-town at least twice a year we would travel from the Louisville area to either lexington (woodford, tates creek) or to Northern Kentucky (holmes, conner) for a tournament or matches and would travel with 2-3 inches of snow on the ground.  I dont ever remember an event being cancelled from snow, sometimes a couple of schools wouldn't show up but I remember us going every time.

I will address this since I was involved in the decision. I would love for the State Duals to have occurred since it is the first time Lafayette has earned a spot in the tournament...but...we have to step away from winning and coaching and do what is right for the safety of all involved. The decision cannot be made at 5:00 AM and risk putting buses on the road in the snow and in the dark. Safety comes first. To all of those wanting to move forward I ask you this. How many getting hurt is OK?

That's an easy one..ZERO

Those of us in JCPS recall the debacle of a few days ago.  School buses become hazardous when they are put on dark roads with frozen precipitation.  We had ten bus related accidents Tuesday morning here in Louisville, with several kids going to the hospital.  As much as I hate to see events cancelled, I wouldn't have been excited to transport other people's children around in any sort of inclement weather.  That's our burden as coaches, and ultimately that is the reason for the decision,  I would think.

The decision is being made on what MIGHT happen.  Adjustments can be make to delay the decision to see if it ACTUALLY happens. 

That was a bad decision to not cancel schools or at least delay them that day.  But this is a bit different as it's snow that's being called for not the sleet mix like that night was.  And no snow has fallen yet but the brine (here in louisville at least) has been put down already and I didn't see that on tuesday nite.  But you are right, zero injuries obviously are what is expected and are OK.

That's an easy one..ZERO

Those of us in JCPS recall the debacle of a few days ago.  School buses become hazardous when they are put on dark roads with frozen precipitation.  We had ten bus related accidents Tuesday morning here in Louisville, with several kids going to the hospital.  As much as I hate to see events cancelled, I wouldn't have been excited to transport other people's children around in any sort of inclement weather.  That's our burden as coaches, and ultimately that is the reason for the decision,  I would think.

Guys you don't seem to understand my previous posts.  The school districts told the teams that they were not allowed to travel.  They apparently are afraid of wrecks on the road, with many minors involved, that may cause injuries.  This was not a Henry Clay or Fayette County decision.  I agree there is no snow on the ground and if this were a tournament involving just teams around this area I'm sure we would still have the tournament.  However when you have more than half the teams cancel the Coaches Association decided that it was not worth having the tournament.

Believe me us HC coaches are more pissed than everyone else because we used this event to make a little money for our team.  However we understand the decision and accept it because there's nothing we can do about it.  Those of you continuing to criticize those involved in making the decision are wasting your time and energy.  However those who are suggesting that a rescheduling plan should be put in place I agree with you because this is a very important event for the top teams around the state.  Perhaps the date could be switched with another tournament earlier in the year to allow this.  But again that's not our (Henry Clay) call.

Any suggestions?

No kids, coaches or person getting are ok, I agree safety first but to have no back up plan or to say its not worth rescheduling and pulling out of a tournament like Conner duals or North Oldham, its far more important. The state duals are one of the biggest events of the year and gives the kids a chance to see other kids the haven't seen yet. The board or coaches need to revise the schedule and make this a priority like it should be and not something to shrug off.

I meant to say getting hurt are ok

No kids, coaches or person getting are ok, I agree safety first but to have no back up plan or to say its not worth rescheduling and pulling out of a tournament like Conner duals or North Oldham, its far more important. The state duals are one of the biggest events of the year and gives the kids a chance to see other kids the haven't seen yet. The board or coaches need to revise the schedule and make this a priority like it should be and not something to shrug off.

We have 29 teams coming to North oldham.  It's our only 'real' fundraiser, I sure hope we don't get cancelled.

Guys you don't seem to understand my previous posts.  The school districts told the teams that they were not allowed to travel.  They apparently are afraid of wrecks on the road, with many minors involved, that may cause injuries.  This was not a Henry Clay or Fayette County decision.  I agree there is no snow on the ground and if this were a tournament involving just teams around this area I'm sure we would still have the tournament.  However when you have more than half the teams cancel the Coaches Association decided that it was not worth having the tournament.

Believe me us HC coaches are more pissed than everyone else because we used this event to make a little money for our team.  However we understand the decision and accept it because there's nothing we can do about it.  Those of you continuing to criticize those involved in making the decision are wasting your time and energy.  However those who are suggesting that a rescheduling plan should be put in place I agree with you because this is a very important event for the top teams around the state.  Perhaps the date could be switched with another tournament earlier in the year to allow this.  But again that's not our (Henry Clay) call.

Any suggestions?

Here is an option:

Have the State Duals that Friday @ Frankfort and go back to having the State Championships a 16 man bracket on Saturday

The facility is already booked.

No kids, coaches or person getting are ok, I agree safety first but to have no back up plan or to say its not worth rescheduling and pulling out of a tournament like Conner duals or North Oldham, its far more important. The state duals are one of the biggest events of the year and gives the kids a chance to see other kids the haven't seen yet. The board or coaches need to revise the schedule and make this a priority like it should be and not something to shrug off.

I agree completely.  However the worst part of this is several kids were probably going to drop a weight class and use the state duals to certify for it.  With no tournament they can't do this.  I recommend to those coaches getting on the phone and seeing if you can get into another tournament real quick so they can weigh-in.  :-/

Here is an option:

Have the State Duals that Friday @ Frankfort and go back to having the State Championships a 16 man bracket on Saturday

The facility is already booked.

Too late in the year for that to happen.  The rules are already in place.

Too late in the year for that to happen.  The rules are already in place.

Maybe, something worth discussing with State Wrestling Commissioner and other coaches  :| this year at the state tournament. They could go back to the District, Region method like the middle school system did?

That would work and have a state tournament that you have to qualify to attend ie...win  not just show and automatic qualifiy in regions that only has 4 or 5 kids in a weigh class. Some regions have that as a problem.

Here is an option:

Have the State Duals that Friday @ Frankfort and go back to having the State Championships a 16 man bracket on Saturday

The facility is already booked.

That would be a good idea but you need the state tournament to be 2 days if it is a 16 man tournament because of the 5 match rule.  My junior year I lost first round and wrestled back to sixth place.  Even though I lost the 5th place match I would have been denied the opportunity to compete.  A friend of mine lost first round and wrestled all the way back to 3rd, a great accomplishment in my mind.  You could do basically the same thing and have state duals on Thursday but that would involved re-instating districts.  I think this is a better format regardless but obviously the KHSAA feels otherwise.

This is a shitty situation all the way around.  One option would be to trade dates with a significant tournament and hold it earlier in the year but what team is going to give up their tournament?

Or we could say that every year, in the event that state duals are cancelled they will be conducted the weekend before regionals (next weekend).  I like this idea because most teams wrestle something light that weekend anyway.  This would give a "buffer" week that most teams, other than those hosting tournaments looking to make money, probably won't mind doing.  I like this idea the best.

Why not Sunday??

This is the worst excuse I have ever heard.

The girls all A basketball tourney is still going on. No cancellations. I don't see  any of those teams leaving in a panic. For fear of snow.

I sure hope it doesn't snow before Region or the Individual State Tournament. Those kids won't be able to wrestle because their schools won't allow them to travel. I hope it snows a foot the day before both tournaments. That way, when we get to the State Tournament we will only have eight man brackets because half of the kids from half of the regions will be able to show up. Should make for an interesting 3 days of wrestling.

Let's grow up people. Use common sense on the roads, and drive properly. Or better yet leave the night before. If you can't, don't participate. We will see who is dedicated to the sport. 

Sunday is already booked for the youth state tournament.  Plus if you were competing how would you feel about wrestling in a 3-day state tournament where you were crowned state champ... then having to make weight the following day for state duals?

It's not a problem with the parents and/or students.  The school DISTRICTS made the decisions to cancel.  I think everyone involved with the teams have their hands tied.

The problem with doing state duels one day and rolling right into the state tournament is simple.  Wrestling 5 matches in one day is a grinder.  Do you try to rest some kids so they are in better shape to start the bracket tournament? Do you dodge kids because of your state bracket? What if a kid gets dinged up? Your chance to be a state champ could be hosed by a sprained ankle.  Teams not in the duels could have an advantage.

That would be a good idea but you need the state tournament to be 2 days if it is a 16 man tournament because of the 5 match rule. 

Stay late with one mat still down and anyone dealing with the 5 match rule waits till 00:01, 5 new matches for the day. If you don't want to stay late, GO HOME.

Every coach out there better call their district person and make sure come Regions that they will be able to travel. There are a lot of schools in northern/eastern kentucky that have a long haul.

1. class A bball has been in progress for 2 days.

2. can't cancel in the am

3. it snows every year on the last weekend of January

4. The KHSAA don't run the state duals

5. god is great

6.  beer is good

7.  people ARE stoopid 

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I am pretty disappointed that state duals are not being held this weekend.  I think about all the kids and coaches and all the time and effort preparing for this thing.  I just want to comment about a post or two that has been made concerning the cancellation.

First, this decision was made by a few associated with the KWCA.  I say a select few because I know for a fact that not all the officers of the KWCA were consulted.  Henry Clay nor the Fayette schools made this decision.

Second, someone on here stated that this was made for the safety of the kids.  To that person, who is also a coach, come state tournament time, if there is going to be an inch and half of snow in Frankfort, are you not taking your team to Frankfort?  The safest thing to do would not go, after all, you need to think about the safety of your wrestlers don't you?  What if even one got hurt?  Why do I say and inch and half because that is all snow forecast in Lexington at this time.

Third, why make the call at all?  I would think that there are many pretty responsible folks at each school district that can make this call for their kids.  You know like superintendents, transportation directors, principals, etc. those who get paid to make that call.  I think they will do what is best for the kids of their own district and if they think it is ok for them to come and participate, let them.

You know the KWCA will be having a meeting right before the state tournament and I have the feeling that many coaches will be discussing the cancellation of this tournament. There was more discussion of cancelling the tournament last year when half the state had no electricity and ice covered not only the roads but everything in the state than was made this year. 

Just a thought, but since its not even done by KHSAA it seems we should be happy to have it in the first place and be thankful for them people who put all the time into it. It was cancelled and that sucks, but time to move on and get ready for state.

Sunday is already booked for the youth state tournament.  Plus if you were competing how would you feel about wrestling in a 3-day state tournament where you were crowned state champ... then having to make weight the following day for state duals?

I am reffering to THIS Sunday. The little bit of snow will be gone and the roads clear.

I don't have any kids involved, I do not coach. I am just a fan, but I feel sorry for those kids(Varsity/JV) that will not make Individual State Tournament, because they have a tough region/weight class, who were vital parts of the 16 teams that "qualified" for this tournament. This was their State Tournament. This was their chance to really contribute.

Sorry guys.

Why not Sunday??

The snow is the curse of Ryle (Larry Ryle was an educator and meteorlogist).  I f Ryle isn't in this, the curse will stop the event.

(By the way this is not a serious post)

:x :x :x :x :x :x

Why not just have a dual meet at Henry Clay for whatever teams want to show up tomorrow?  It wouldn't be state duals but it would be much better than nothing.

I am pretty disappointed that state duals are not being held this weekend.  I think about all the kids and coaches and all the time and effort preparing for this thing.  I just want to comment about a post or two that has been made concerning the cancellation.

First, this decision was made by a few associated with the KWCA.  I say a select few because I know for a fact that not all the officers of the KWCA were consulted.  Henry Clay nor the Fayette schools made this decision.

Second, someone on here stated that this was made for the safety of the kids.  To that person, who is also a coach, come state tournament time, if there is going to be an inch and half of snow in Frankfort, are you not taking your team to Frankfort?  The safest thing to do would not go, after all, you need to think about the safety of your wrestlers don't you?  What if even one got hurt?  Why do I say and inch and half because that is all snow forecast in Lexington at this time.

Third, why make the call at all?  I would think that there are many pretty responsible folks at each school district that can make this call for their kids.  You know like superintendents, transportation directors, principals, etc. those who get paid to make that call.  I think they will do what is best for the kids of their own district and if they think it is ok for them to come and participate, let them.

You know the KWCA will be having a meeting right before the state tournament and I have the feeling that many coaches will be discussing the cancellation of this tournament. There was more discussion of cancelling the tournament last year when half the state had no electricity and ice covered not only the roads but everything in the state than was made this year.

I agree with you on all this.  One question though, would the host school or host school district be in any way liable for an accident if a guest school traveling to their event had an accident and kids were hurt?  Even if that is the case, I would still think they could hold off on cancelling until they actually start seeing some snow.  Not sure how accurate the weather forecasts are in Lexington, but in the Cincinnati area it's probably 50/50....maybe 60/40.

Well with state duals being cancelled, drive on down to Campbellsville and watch some good college wrestling. Wrestling starts at 7pm. 3 hours to get here.

Hey pioneer pride,

Unlike us when we did middle school and had to purchase our own separate insurance policy to cover us, all high school events are covered by the KHSAA insurance policy.  Host schools or districts are not liable.  They pay the KHSAA to carry insurance for them. 

The school districts have the final say if the buses can roll in the morning. Sounds like some of them didn't want to get up early on a Sat morning to make the decisions if their schools could go. Easiest thing to do is tell them NO  :evil:Fri. and SLEEP IN Sat. :-o

To put in perspective how big this tournament was and how much of a shame it was to cancel it: Mallory Ervin will be competing in Miss America 2010 tomorrow at 8:00, and where was Union County planning on being? In Lexington trying to win a state championship.

No disrespect to the Ervins and I am sure it is quite an honor but does anyone watch Miss America under the age of 60 or over the age 11? 

Very COLD Grapplenuz... congrats to Ms. Ervin... what an accomplishment and honor to have her representing our state.  Wishing her all the best.

As for canceling the tournament... it is a shame... and I totally understand the safety concerns... but lets make sure we understand... this was not a decision made in a vacuum.  If schools were being told they could not go, that is not HC, KWCA, or any coaches decision... that's the school or school districts decision.  Give them a break.  I am totally sure HC would love to have anyone there considering all the prep work that goes into making this happen.  Believe me there is tons of food, drink, volunteers all gathered and waiting to pull off a very smooth day.  And it takes lots of food at the concessions and hospitality room.  I really feel for the HC parents.

And while I'm on the subject... there is no good solution.  I don't agree with making State a 16 man bracket.  That cuts out half the kids that would be able to have the experience of participating in a state tournament.  What about those kids?  They work as hard as the others and deserve the chance to participate.  It's a big deal to all the kids.  My concern is the kids wrestling in the state dual are likely the same kids that would be wrestling in a 16 man bracket format.

  Okay... that's all... I'll get off my soap box!       

It really was a slap in the face to us 55 miles outside of lexington without a flake on the ground to recieve a phone call telling us that State was cancelled and we have to turn around

And it takes lots of food at the concessions and hospitality room. And while I'm on the subject... there is no good solution.       

The HC wrestlers should invite the rest of the lexington wrestlers over tonight for a lock in to EAT all that FOOD. :-D :-D :-D Now you have a solution. :wink:

Two years in a row now they have been canceled, my question is why wasn't a back up plan put in place last year when this happened, this is the biggest event in wrestling behind state itself. One guy said drive up the night before. This is that type of event to which you drive up the day before and stay overnight, weigh in and get your mind right and walk on the mat the next morning ready to battle, if you think its not, you probably ain't wrestled in state duals. If this situation is not revised and taken care of for next year and made sure it will happen, step up and take/move the tournament somewhere that will host and say, weighs in the night before, get hotels and we wrestle on Saturday, period

Two years in a row now they have been canceled, my question is why wasn't a back up plan put in place last year when this happened, this is the biggest event in wrestling behind state itself. One guy said drive up the night before. This is that type of event to which you drive up the day before and stay overnight, weigh in and get your mind right and walk on the mat the next morning ready to battle, if you think its not, you probably ain't wrestled in state duals. If this situation is not revised and taken care of for next year and made sure it will happen, step up and take/move the tournament somewhere that will host and say, weighs in the night before, get hotels and we wrestle on Saturday, period

Well that backfired on us

I don't think that half of the schools involved were told by their districts that they couldn't travel.  There are 5 schools alone from the Louisville area and none of them were told they couldn't.  Then you add in the Northern KY schools that are still traveling tomorrow for JV state, now up to 7, some Lexington schools are still coming for it, now up to 9.  So I think maybe a couple were told they couldn't but I believe it was just cancelled prematurely by some people.  And wrestling could be done on Sunday many churches do service on Saturday night as well but that's a whole different issue...  :wink:  It should have just happened with whatever schools showed up and go from there, that's a much better solution than cancelling it completely.

I don't think that half of the schools involved were told by their districts that they couldn't travel.  There are 5 schools alone from the Louisville area and none of them were told they couldn't.  Then you add in the Northern KY schools that are still traveling tomorrow for JV state, now up to 7, some Lexington schools are still coming for it, now up to 9.  So I think maybe a couple were told they couldn't but I believe it was just cancelled prematurely by some people.  And wrestling could be done on Sunday many churches do service on Saturday night as well but that's a whole different issue...  :wink:  It should have just happened with whatever schools showed up and go from there, that's a much better solution than cancelling it completely.

You can add Fort Campbell to the list of teams that were travelling, and I think Union was getting ready to come too

I just got off the phone with a friend down in western KY near Bowling Green- he said it's been snowing since 4 pm and they have two or three inches already.

Ya it is snowing pretty bad here now, we left before the snow but now there is at least 3 inches

JV state is still on, so anyone who is participating come on...and if you now have nothing to do come to it and cheer on your teammates or watch some wrestling going on this weekend...one of the few things now going on. 

Why are we not looking for another host for the state duals tournament?  Most of the top teams in the state would have made plans for the weather and would have been there before the bad weather.  See which of the top teams are not wrestling tomorrow.  My guess - NONE

10 PM in Lexington, not one flake of snow...  :oops:

One question... Why is state duals so late in the season?  When I wrestled in the mid to late 90's I'm pretty sure it was earlier in the season.  Also I think the state should return to the Districts, Region, and State format with a sixteen man bracket.  I hear these arguments about how do you exclude these kids that work so hard to get here but in my opinion they either didn't work hard enough or arn't good enough to be there.  I know im going to get some flack for the last comment but i'm tired of this every child deserves something crap that todays society preaches.  I'm not trying to insult people or piss anyone off just my thoughts on the matter. 

One question... Why is state duals so late in the season?  When I wrestled in the mid to late 90's I'm pretty sure it was earlier in the season.  Also I think the state should return to the Districts, Region, and State format with a sixteen man bracket.  I hear these arguments about how do you exclude these kids that work so hard to get here but in my opinion they either didn't work hard enough or arn't good enough to be there.  I know im going to get some flack for the last comment but i'm tired of this every child deserves something crap that todays society preaches.  I'm not trying to insult people or piss anyone off just my thoughts on the matter.

Bo knows... little?

It has nothing to do with 'every child desrves something crap'

Its $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

3 day state tournament = big revenue for KHSAA and Frankfort.  That's one extra day of hotels champ.  3 days = $$$$$

One question... Why is state duals so late in the season?  When I wrestled in the mid to late 90's I'm pretty sure it was earlier in the season.  Also I think the state should return to the Districts, Region, and State format with a sixteen man bracket.  I hear these arguments about how do you exclude these kids that work so hard to get here but in my opinion they either didn't work hard enough or arn't good enough to be there.  I know im going to get some flack for the last comment but i'm tired of this every child deserves something crap that todays society preaches.  I'm not trying to insult people or piss anyone off just my thoughts on the matter.

$$$ More people at state, staying  longer = more $$$ for KHASS

Lol True its been a long day and I'm not a money oriented person.

Lol True its been a long day and I'm not a money oriented person.

Its all good, the state will be more than money oriented for you.

Day 1: 32 man many of them crap, but only winner brackets so they have to come back the next day!

Day 2: a little better wrestling, some have to go home, the chaff from the wheat so to speak

Day 3: the real wrestling

Day 4: KHSAA counts the stacks and smiles.

Its all good, the state will be more than money oriented for you.

Day 1: 32 man many of them crap, but only winner brackets so they have to come back the next day!

Day 2: a little better wrestling, some have to go home, the chaff from the wheat so to speak

Day 3: the real wrestling

Day 4: KHSAA counts the stacks and smiles.

Day 2: a little better wrestling, some have to stay off the mat but must stay with the team because one guy made it to day 3,  we all came on the bus and you need to support your teammate so go buy some over priced hot dogs & $2.00 waters :-o

Day 2: a little better wrestling, some have to stay off the mat but must stay with the team because one guy made it to day 3,  we all came on the bus and you need to support your teammate so go buy some over priced hot dogs & $2.00 waters :-o

True, very true.

Gotta feel for the teams that qualify like 10 and only 1 guy makes it to day 3.

Just for the record, my comments had nothing to with money... and certainly nothing to do with everyone getting recognition or being included.  I too am tired of giving everyone a "participation" award.  I am in favor of building the sport in our state and feel that if a kid gets a taste of the state event it may inspire and drive them to work harder next year. 

snowing bad now, guess they were not so stupid. Ya know state duals is great and love to see it, but if it doesnt happen for weather it aint the end of the world. If all you have to worry about is how your boys finish in state duals then you have some other problems.

I'm dreaming of a green STATE DUALS

Just like the ones I used to know

Where the wrestlers  glisten,

and parents listen

To hear refs hand slap the mat for the pin

I'm dreaming of a green STATE DUALS

With every STATE DUALS I miss

May next years be held and full of fight

And may all your STATE DUALS be green with no white

I'm dreaming of a green STATE DUALS

With every STATE DUALS I miss

May next years be held and full of fight

And may all your STATE DUALS be green with no white

:-D