Topic ID: 6426 | 87 Posts
As of 3:10pm Eastern, MS State Tournament is cancelled, the coaches were just notified. No word on when it might be rescheduled if at all.
This has only recently been decided so I think we should give the KYWA board some time to let us know what is going on.
I cannot believe this!! I am so angry! What about all these parents who have non-refundable hotel reservations. I can kiss $118 goodbye! What a joke.
This is nonsense. I can't believe this. Who can't drive in RAIN............Idiots after these boys have worked so hard for this they have the nerve to call it off over rain. :x
I don't have any additional details but I'm assuming that Hardin County school system is canceling all events at their sites. I was told the KSWA board was in contact with the superintendent there but it seems to have born no fruit. The logistics involved with trying to find an alternative location in or near e-town at this point is likely impossible.
If there is anger or disappointment to be had, I think it would be better directed at the Hardin County School system not the KSWA board.
I'm up for any alternative that gets the kids wrestling quickly. This Sunday, next Saturday or Sunday. I am very disappointed that so many people will be out hundreds of dollars in hotel reservations.
Next weekend is the high school regionals and a good portion of these kids will be wrestling for the high schools. The following weekend is the high school and youth state tourneys, so that pretty much eliminates that weekend as well.
Are you telling me there isn't an auditorium somewhere in ETown big enough to hold this tournament? Sounds fishy to me maybe someone who was supposed to win couldn't make it this weekend..............I say find another facility and those who have the stones to show up wrestle those who don't forfeit.
everyone dnt blame central hardin for it being postponed it is not our faLUT and are bossters lost alot of money buying stuff for the event so dnt blame us blame the school borad no joke i was just as mad as all u
Who do I contact to lodge a formal complaint?!!!!
Pathetic!
I'd start with Mother Nature and if you don't get satisfaction then go straight to God. Really now? It is due to the weather.....no conspiracy to torment wrestlers and their families. The schools have to maintain responsibility for their properties. I am very disappointed too. Parents make sacrifices, kids practice hard-cut/maintain weight, etc. Clearly there are no winners when this happens. Hopefully something can be worked out to re-schedule.
Are you telling me there isn't an auditorium somewhere in ETown big enough to hold this tournament? Sounds fishy to me maybe someone who was supposed to win couldn't make it this weekend..............I say find another facility and those who have the stones to show up wrestle those who don't forfeit.
Who is going to fund the auditorium rental?
We were coming from Northern Kentucky where the weather is supposed to be worse than down in Etown. I'm still willing to drive my son down right now!!! He wants to wrestle and he's earned his chance to be at State!!! What a disappointment to the coaches, parents, and more than anything the kids who were supposed to wrestle! These kids deserve better! What happens now??
Looks like we are at a point where there are no perfect options.
February 7th:
Having it This Sunday would be logistically impossible and getting people there on 24 hours notice isn't good, however it does get the tournament done in a timely fashion
February 13th
Having the tournament next Saturday would conflict with High School regionals, that would make some wrestlers have to decide which was more important but this would also get the tournament done in a timely fashion and would give teams appropriate time to make arrangements to travel.
February 14th:
Having the Tournament next Sunday would mean some kids would have to wrestle 2 days in a row which should provide a 1lb allowance, it would also get the tournament done fairly quickly and provide for travel arrangements. However Sunday tournaments make travel and conflict with people's belief an issue. Also Valentines day and I'm not anxious to be in the dog-house
February 20th and 21st:
High School State Tournament seems like a very bad weekend to even attempt it, I for one am looking forward to watching that tournament and don't want to have to choose one over the other.
The weekend of February 27th seems open but that would be an unfortunately long amount of time between wrestling and asking 11-13 year olds to make weight for an additional month seems unfair.
It goes back to trying to choose an option that creates the most good, any option chosen will be viewed by some or many as unfair, that's just how it is. This has been a disappointing season due to weather and nervous administrators.
Who is going to fund the auditorium rental?
And who is going to refund all the money parents have put out for hotel rooms, lost days from work. I was lucky my hotel canceled my reservation without a charge but I know others who are stuck with a huge hotel bill for nothing. Not to mention these boys have worked their asses off this year and someone has the nerve to call this off because of rain. Makes no sense this forecast his been up for 4 days and you couldn't plan an alternative site in 4 days...right
Wonder what happens in Minnesota, Michigan and all those other states that really get winter weather. There's no other way to say it....retarded!!
Wonder what happens in Minnesota, Michigan and all those other states that really get winter weather. There's no other way to say it....retarded!!
Have to agree with you 100% a little rain and it all gets called off.....I think this is a joke And I feel sorry for the kids who have worked their butts off all season and now they get nothing because someone is scared of a little rain
Here's an idea...don't leave in the hands of an idiot. Find a venue where the schools can't control it anymore. What's wrong with Frankfort? Elementary and High School is held there.
I wonder if the person from Central Hardin that canceled is going to stay in the house all day tomorrow due to the weather? :-o :-o :-o
I would like to see this moved to a location such as EKU in Richmond. The All A Classic is already held there earlier in the month so there is experience holding events like this already there. The University gets a chance to make an early impression on future prospective students so the facilities may not be too pricey. I know it would be a longer distance to travel for a handful of teams from the west but it's not any further for them than it is for teams like Johnson County and Ashland to travel to ETown. And it's more centrally located for the majority of schools in the state.
Memorial Coliseum in Lexington, the Civic Center in Frankfort, EKU, maybe somewhere on the UofL campus. All would be good options and unlikely to be affected by weather. We should definitely consider it for the future (if not this year, even if unlikely).
Anywhere besides Hardin Central.
I got a call, lines are forming for milk and bread in Etown. :-o
The tournament is independent so the tournament should be held in an independent venue.
It is unfortunate that we were not able to wrestle this weekend but I think we should probably wait and see what kind of weather e-town gets before we burn anyone at the stake.
alright folks, to clear this up: the Hardin County BOE (Board of Ed) Canceled the tournament. They are calling for 2 inches of snow tonight in addition to ICE in this area. Then, we are suppossedly getting an additional inch of snow tomorrow. it is the ICE that caused the cancelation. i'm upset as well, as i drove in from bowling green to officiate the tournament, and this was paying for my gas to and from frankfort in 2 weeks, where i will once again be assisting with the announcing by providing the stats and top match-ups. if you want to be mad, be mad at the HCBOE, not Central Hardin, who does a better job than any venue i've ever been to for a tournament, including the KHSAA State Tournament at the Civic Center in Frankfort.
I wonder if this had been a State Tournament for basketball if we would be having this discussion. Probably not!! I know how hard my son and his fellow teammates have worked. So, I hope that the Superintendent of that school loses a night sleep for every drop of sweat and every pound lost for every wrestler in this state(consecutively and not concurrently). I hope that the phone rings off of the hook, the emails crash their entire network and that the bad publicity NEVER ceases for that Superintendent. I hope that Superintendent NEVER attains another hope or dream for as long as he/she draws breath. There are some hopes and dreams that once time passes can NEVER be attained. I feel for that school system with a leader like that because test scores are probably CRAMMED down every ones throat. There are some kids that only see success through sports, academics are not their gift. I have a BRILLANT idea, let's cancelled their testing week.....the scores will tank and the Superintendent will be a mass casuality of the fallout. That is the least he/she DESERVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can blame the HCBOE but that misses the point really. The superintendant made a call, that is what she gets paid to do. I don't agree with it, but oh well. The real problem is that we all knew what the forecast was for a week and the Kentucky Middle School Wrestling Board didn't formulate a contingency plan. Tim's post earlier stated that they had been scrambling all day. Why didn't they start scrambing for a back-up plan 5 days ago? Now we are all staring at the computer waiting to here what the plan is. At this point communication is key. Updates from the board would be appreciated by all.
OK, my family is new to this sport but it seems that since this is winter that this would not be the first time this kind of thing has happened. Who decided to put the event in the hands of a school board instead of an independant arena? That is who is responsible for the cancellation, because it was poor planning that put us in this situation. Why was state duals allowed to go on when half the teams couldn't come for the same reason. Could it be that the same decision makers were from the teams that could make it and it gave them a better shot? The Board has alot of questions to answer.
This decision does not fall on the wrestling board. Some people just wan tot look for scape goats:( The fact is the HCBOE made a commitment to have the tourney, and then they had to back out. IT makes me mad as well, but placing the blame on the coaches who were elected to HELP run the KYSWA is not the answer. Yes, they were scrambling all day to get an alternate venue, because they had a yearly commitment for it to be there. Where I come from, a commitment is a commitment. They should not have had to worry about it. They scrambled to inform the school system that tthe event was USA sanctioned, which provides the insurance anyway. The board members of the KYSWA are not paid, they do the best they can while still doing their jobs, and most of them coach as well.
My thought is that we should go on and try to find a place for next Saturday, to let these hard working boys do what they have trained to do. I realize that some intend on wrestling at HS region, but sometimes you have to make hard choices. By saying this cannot be, we are sacrificing the many for a few. For many wrestlers it will be a long time(if ever) that they get to compete for a state championship.
In summation, I know everyone is angry. . . but you might as well go with what you've got. It won't change anything.
We can blame the HCBOE but that misses the point really. The superintendant made a call, that is what she gets paid to do. I don't agree with it, but oh well. The real problem is that we all knew what the forecast was for a week and the Kentucky Middle School Wrestling Board didn't formulate a contingency plan. Tim's post earlier stated that they had been scrambling all day. Why didn't they start scrambing for a back-up plan 5 days ago? Now we are all staring at the computer waiting to here what the plan is. At this point communication is key. Updates from the board would be appreciated by all.
this is the only legitimate complaint made so far. you are exactly right. the event was cancelled due to a forecast that is 5 days old. central school board did what they had to do, mother nature is doing whatever she wants, and hotels that arent allowing a reimbursement are doing what they do to make money. the only thing in control by kyswa was a contingency plan. i have to assume that since tim lange is the president he is the one to hold responsible for the problem. sorry tim, i am sure you are a good guy, but the ball has been dropped. even if your backup plan was to pick a date 3 weeks in the future it should of been communicated as soon as the white death forecast looked more eminent . the kyswa could of made this call as early as wednesday. instead we are all waiting to see if they will suddenly say , be at central hardin sunday , or we will wrestle this on july 4th. come on guys, the wrestlers are doing there part getting better to improve our state but unfortunatley our administrators our putting their head in the sand and hoping for the best.
"They are calling for 2 inches of snow tonight in addition to ICE in this area. Then, we are suppossedly getting an additional inch of snow tomorrow. it is the ICE that caused the cancelation"
I just watched 3 local(Louisville) channels forecast and the word ICE was NEVER mentioned.
2-4 in snow possible for Etown.
Slamfan, not looking for a scapegoat or trying to hang the board. I've served on alot of volunteer sports positions. But when you plan a state championship you should expect bad weather in February. Why didn't someone plan for site where school board can't cancel? The concessions and gate alone would cover the fee. Just disappointing for everyone. If we can have it next week, we should. If not, I'm not asking my son to make weight for 3 weeks. He is grumpy enough now!
This decision does not fall on the wrestling board. Some people just wan tot look for scape goats:( The fact is the HCBOE made a commitment to have the tourney, and then they had to back out. IT makes me mad as well, but placing the blame on the coaches who were elected to HELP run the KYSWA is not the answer. Yes, they were scrambling all day to get an alternate venue, because they had a yearly commitment for it to be there. Where I come from, a commitment is a commitment. They should not have had to worry about it. They scrambled to inform the school system that tthe event was USA sanctioned, which provides the insurance anyway. The board members of the KYSWA are not paid, they do the best they can while still doing their jobs, and most of them coach as well.
My thought is that we should go on and try to find a place for next Saturday, to let these hard working boys do what they have trained to do. I realize that some intend on wrestling at HS region, but sometimes you have to make hard choices. By saying this cannot be, we are sacrificing the many for a few. For many wrestlers it will be a long time(if ever) that they get to compete for a state championship.
In summation, I know everyone is angry. . . but you might as well go with what you've got. It won't change anything.
Slamfan - I appreciate the hard work that is put in all year long by the volunteers that run kywsa. However, it is well known that this particular superintendant is skiddish in these situations. In fact, earlier in the week someone predicted in a post on this site that she would make this call. Knowing this and knowing the forecast, a contingency plan should have been in place. That was a pretty big mistake by Tim and gang. Moving forward, any plan for rescheduling the tournament on the next two weekends would be big mistake number two. Whether or not middle schoolers should be competing in both high school and middle school has been debated on this site numberous times. Regardless of which side of that argument you are on, the fact remains that they are permited to do it. Holding the tournament when it conflicts with high school regions or state will eliminate 20-30 of the best wrestlers in the tournament. The only options I see are to hold it one of the next two sundays or wait until after the high school post-season is complete. Whatever the solution, kyswa needs to consult with coaches throughout the state. To this point, this has not happened. I think kyswa needs to feel a greater sense of urgency. If you agree, feel free to contact the officers. Their names and contact information can be found on their website.
Folks here is your options as I see them :
1. If Central Hardin can host next weekend wrestle then , A wrestler who is wrestling for high school will have a tough decision to make. This is" middle" school state .
2. There are schools large enough to host this if C.H. cannot .
3. I would recommend for you angry parents to contact your region Representative and attend the next meeting , Have a committee to come up with a contingency plan .
4. Remember this decision was not made to hurt you or your wrestler, SAFETY , must always come before competition .
5. The Middle School assoc. is made up of people that want to promote wrestling , vent your feelings if you must , allow them adequate enough time to figure this out. I think they can and will find a solution !
As much as I am dissappointed about this entire situation, BEFORE anyone starts blaming KYSWA, think about what you are saying before you say it!!! I am not a member of the board, BUT I challenge ANYONE that has a problem with decisions that the board is making to remember they are VOLUNTEERING their time and energy. If you think you have all these answers......become a board member. It's easy to sit back and criticize people for decisions that you could have had the opportunity to have been a part of. So....instead of pointing out all of the problems, become more active and be a part of the solution.
This again is odd to me. I understand safety comes first, but really? I wrestled in this state back in the 90's and can't remember one tournament cancelled. Ever. This sport is played in nothern states and they seem to be doing ok? Very odd.
Safety?!?!?!?!...come on...school systems go to school in worse weather than this....would you be saying this if they cancelled high school since this is only "middle" school?!? I don't think that another event of ANY kind should EVER be allowed to be hosted by that school system. However, if that is the only place we can get this year, then go for it. The wrestlers sacrifice so much during the season to become the best and should not be punished for moronic decisons and the lack of proper planning. If that Superintendent was so worried about "safety" and the well being of everyone, then he/she should have cancelled at least 48 hours ago. That Superintendent should have more respect for all of the wrestlers and supporters than to wait to the last minute to cancel an event of this importance. He/she would demand that type of respect everyday and would not allow an SBDM or School Board meeting to be cancelled at the last minute.
Ok savage, I assume you are referring to me. Why do you assume I don't volunteer my time? As a matter of fact I do and have for the last 15 years. I don't blame the board for the decision, I blame them for not having a back up plan in place. At this point the board needs to be contacting coaches to poll solutions and get feedback on posible senarios. They aren't doing that. I know Tim, he is a great guy. That doesn't prohibit him from making mistakes. I don't think we should burn him at the stake, just urge him to communicate with all of us that are sitting here waiting to find out how to schedule our lives for the next several weeks.
It's not a Safety issue as it is a Liability. BOE's and Schools are scared to death to get sued. It has become the way of society. Happens all of the time, everyone looking out to make a buck. No one is going to refund your money.
Hotmamma has a valid point in using outside venues but now your looking at a lease, regions moving mats etc.
I hate to hear it, hopefully the master minds in charge can pull some strings in the next 2 weeks.
As much as I am dissappointed about this entire situation, BEFORE anyone starts blaming KYSWA, think about what you are saying before you say it!!! I am not a member of the board, BUT I challenge ANYONE that has a problem with decisions that the board is making to remember they are VOLUNTEERING their time and energy. If you think you have all these answers......become a board member. It's easy to sit back and criticize people for decisions that you could have had the opportunity to have been a part of. So....instead of pointing out all of the problems, become more active and be a part of the solution.
unfortunately savage, the problem is people primarily dont volunteer because they feel they cannot make the commitment to satisfy the job requirements. i dont think that they are considered "infallable" just because they are volunteering. i could volunteer to be a surgeon and i am sure i would kill many a people, fact is i shouldnt be volunteering for something i couldnt handle. this was not a tough task to complete; snow is coming , what do we do if the school board cancells the tourney? this needs to take place on a sunday so as to not eliminate kids who are wrestling for both highschool and middle school. these kids typically are the eighth graders who have waited along time to get their shot and wont get this chance again in their life. they just happen to be in a position to help there high school team , should they be penalized because of poor planning.
This is nonsense. I can't believe this. Who can't drive in RAIN............Idiots after these boys have worked so hard for this they have the nerve to call it off over rain. :x
Mother nature? Get SERIOUS!!!!!!!! IT'S RAINING AT THIS POINT.
Have to agree with you 100% a little rain and it all gets called off.....I think this is a joke And I feel sorry for the kids who have worked their butts off all season and now they get nothing because someone is scared of a little rain
The same things were said when HS state duals were canceled last weekend, yet much of KY had snow Sat AM.
Who do I contact to lodge a formal complaint?!!!!
Pathetic!
http://www.hardin.k12.ky.us/supt/index.htm
Here's an idea...don't leave in the hands of an idiot. Find a venue where the schools can't control it anymore. What's wrong with Frankfort? Elementary and High School is held there.
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As I recall it's Middle School State , Take away a school boards ( idiots ) say? See how long you have a MS wrestling team.
Move it where you want, if bad weather in on the way then what? Someone is making a decision for the Safety of the kids and anyone else that would be driving.
I posted the here:http://www.kentuckywrestling.com/smf/index.php?topic=7588.0 (SNOW)
Sounds good, but who makes the call when we have another ice storm the night before. Should someone make a call/put lives in danger? Move it to non-school facilities, Pay more, no matter if it is cancelled or not.
I would hope that Mrs. Johnston put off making a decision until she had to make it, hoping it could be a GO. So if she said yesterday (Thursday) cancelled, she would be showing more respect for all of the wrestlers and supporters? I think not.
I would say it's both, with SAFETY being 1st (I would hope). If it was held tomorrow and a bus full of YOUR Kids slid off the road and ** killed, ** injured. Now those parents just might have a reason to complain/sue, remember it is just a sporting event.
So volunteer to be the MAN for next year and make all the right decisions. We will have a GOOD 1010/2011 year.
If anyone hears of someone getting KILLED because of this storm, please post it here so we can all pray for their families.
This is the crazist thing i have ever heard of.
They needed to have this in a location were it could have been come at your own risk like the civic center.
Hope middle schoolers get a break and get to wrestle
Good Luck
Just Lovely myGSP, Good Lord- Do you think you critiqued enough people. I really have just one thing to say to you. I think that you obviously think the rest of us are ignorant. We are the parents of these kids and we of course would make the best decisions possible based on the safety of our children. We are the adults and we decide whether we put our kids on a bus or not. Quoting gloom and doom and belittleing the quotes of other people speaks tons to your character. We all agree. This was handled poorly, we have to make the best of the situation and we all have to move on. All of this "who makes the call " stuff you speak of is answered this time by you yourself ...., "Mrs. Johnson" made the call. As I see it, she made the call for about 1500 of us. Now the question becomes, is this appropriate? Is she the best person to make the call for our wrestling tournament? A tournament that isnt necessarily always school sponsered ie. Madison County Wrestling Club. So do not threaten me with the idea of "taking away my middle school wrestling team" because I do not have an "official state or school "sponsered team to take away...although we, a club are sending 5 kids to a state tournament. If a bus slid off the road and killed my child who would I blame?....Myself because the bottom line is I, the parent, the adult am ultimately responsible for my child. I do not understand your finger-pointing mentality or even endorse or give credit to your idea that I would blame someone other than myself. And volunteering, believe me, my family volunteers every weekend for this sport and these kids. We will make it better without belittleing others. Finally, there are so many things wrong with you saying if anyone gets killed post it here so we can pray for their families that I cant even approach that topic. All I can say is go take a look in a mirror.
We all are upset and we all are waiting to see what the decision makers have in mind to make this better. people who want to just point fingers and blame others need to chill. I lost money today, I am really upset about it as well as my son and husband are, but now we need to move forward.
This is posted by Sprawl, not Savage.. didnt realize I was signed on as him
Elizabethtown Weather
Detailed Local ForecastHow to Read This Tonight: Cloudy with rain and snow this evening, becoming all snow overnight. Low near 30F. Winds N at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precip 80%. Snowfall around one inch.
Tomorrow: Mainly cloudy with snow showers around in the morning. Temps nearly steady around 30. Winds N at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 60%.
Tomorrow night: Cloudy. Low 19F. Winds N at 10 to 15 mph.
Unbelievable
I,ve hurt there was an accident involving a bus or two a couple of weeks ago during bad weather. If this is true the HCS board was in no position to let this tournament go on with the way lawsuits are brought today. I can see a lawyer's cross "so you had an accident 2 weeks before in the same type of weather and you still went ahead." Not a question I wuld want to have to answer.
Here's a thought - put your children in your car and you drive them to your child's tournament that your child has earned a right to be at. So if your family decides that one inch of snow makes the roads too dangerous for travel, you can stay home. Some of us want to WRESTLE and will do whatever it takes to get to Elizabethtown and back - Safely!
dog10, what a poor excuse you gave for HSC superintendent and its board. Bad weather had been reported sent Monday. If the superintendent had a bus accident early this year which cause her to have liability issues then she should have had the descent to notify the middle school wrestling president of her situation thus, this could have been avoided.
Second, the superintendent did not make the decision to cancel the event for the safety of the kids. She made the decision to
from the stand point from wanting to see the kids wrestle I agree. from the stand point of HCS probably not. remember the HSC supt main and over raiding duty is to protect the HCS. If she saw that by letting this happen it could the school system in some type of legal jeopardy it was her absolute duty to cancel.Face it. bad call, PERIOD
I also agree that it should have been called sooner. If you want to stop this from occurring again you are going to have to take it to a venue that is not connected with a school. NO school will put themselves in legal harm for a non school event.
for those who have been posting the weather for the elizabethtown area: the call to cancel the event was made when the NOAA (which is the forcast most schools in this area. i live in the etown area when i'm not in BG for school) weather ppl were calling for ice in addition to 1-3 inches of snow. i know its changed since then, as i've been watching the weather as well. but with that said, the decision to cancel was made when ice WAS in the forcast for the area.
One question - what are the rental arrangements to use the central Hardin gym?
unless it has changed recently, ch always kept concessions, and i think they split the gate. it was a very reasonable deal, and central hardin has always done a great job. coach pike and his gang handled a lot of the coordination of things.
in my opinion, the KSWA should reschedule for next weekend, maybe on Sunday, and wrestle it with whoever shows up. if a h.s. coach tells his 8th grade 103 lbs kid he can't wrestle in it, that's their call. unless the kid is a serious contender to make the podium in frankfort, i don't think you should keep them from wrestling at m.s. state, but to each his own. my heart goes out to a lot of these 8th graders that have busted their tails for the past few years....taken their lumps... for their shot at the gold to have it taken away like this is terrible.
I agree with Pioneer. There are not many kids in the state who could place in both middle school and high school. There comes a time in life when you must make a tough decision this is one of them. Three weeks is a long time to wait for state. Lets get it done.
All middle schoolers should move to Michagon to take over their state middle school championship......lol jk ryle dont kill me
First let me say I wish that MS State was going to happen 6 Feb 1010 at Central Hardin HS.
Now when Mrs. Johnston made the decision that Central Hardin HS couldn't hold it, I hope that it was based on the weather.
There is a weather advisory for the E-town area and just based on this I can see canceling it from her point of view (there was a call for ice, but if you read the the advisory * MAIN IMPACT: SNOW WILL CAUSE ROADS TO BECOME SLICK AND HAZARDOUS.. )
Some of the things that are being said on this form is not people are mad, OK it s**ks. Instead of complaining now that it will not happen 6 Feb, my ? would be how to make it happen this year. Who has a gym/the people to run it (please contact the Kentucky State Wrestling Association (Middle School) http://kyswa.org/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx) Then what needs to be done to make sure it happen next year regardless of (weather, fire, tornado ect...). Become a member of the kyswa or go to their meetings and let them know your thoughts on how things could be done. I am not trying to belittle anyone and yes some of the things being said are ignorant. The Safety of the all involved should be #1, although some might have other opinions as to weather it should have been called off. Mrs. Johnston made the call, and now we have to deal with it.
Now I will open another can of worms, is North Hardin still going to Mustang Classic? Is any other Hardin Co. school going to events 6 Feb? As of when I started writing this NHHS was still going and I think this puts Mrs. Johnston in a bad situation that she must answer to why MS state at CHHS was told no, but NHHS was OK to travel. :-o
Now I will open another can of worms, is North Hardin still going to Mustang Classic? Is any other Hardin Co. school going to events 6 Feb? As of when I started writing this NHHS was still going and I think this puts Mrs. Johnston in a bad situation that she must answer to why MS state at CHHS was told no, but NHHS was OK to travel. :-o
It is true that we have not been told no yet. I think this was done to appease ME, but i must wait for a call at 3 am for the word. This word does notcome from the superintendent. It comes from the person in charge of the Bus Garage. As much as i am sorry Central got cancelled because our team was affected too, and we are right down the street, i am still hopeful we get the go.
It is true that we have not been told no yet. I think this was done to appease ME, but i must wait for a call at 3 am for the word. This word does notcome from the superintendent. It comes from the person in charge of the Bus Garage. As much as i am sorry Central got cancelled because our team was affected too, and we are right down the street, i am still hopeful we get the go.
As the rest of the folks reading this will be thinking, does this look/sound right to you?
Comments from the KSWA in regard to the cancellation have been posted on the main page of the Association website.
This is how we communicate in addition to numerous emails that are sent to coaches.
The assocition does not use this forum and rarely checks comments here. I was asked to post the link because of comments made in this posting.
www.kyswa.org
KSWA
Comments from the KSWA in regard to the cancellation have been posted on the main page of the Association website.
This is how we communicate in addition to numerous emails that are sent to coaches.
The assocition does not use this forum and rarely checks comments here. I was asked to post the link because of comments made in this posting.
www.kyswa.org
KSWA
How can I post my thoughts on your site?
As the rest of the folks reading this will be thinking, does this look/sound right to you?
In charge of Bus Garage vs. In charge of schools, two different enmities.
In charge of Bus Garage vs. In charge of schools, two different enmities.
So someone says NO to MS state, but someone else (as of now) says it's OK for NHHS? Someone thinks we must save the MS's, someone else thinks it's OK to take a chance with the HS's. I have nothing against NHHS, who is in charge/of what? I have nothing to say about MS being cancelled, not my call. Whoever made that call has some explaining to do for not canceling other Hardin schools events.
ive been involved in much bigger events than this and there is always a contingency plan for whatever may happen. communication is the key. there is no reason a weather forecast that was given five days ago was not taken into consideration and a back up plan devised. this is my first year of involvement with middle school wrestling and am glad it will be my last because this is how it has been all year. our coach doesnt get information until the last minute. very disorganized bunch of folks. i just drove half way across the state in nothing more than a drizzle of rain and in some areas not even that. reading some of the posts on this and other sites really clears a lot of things up and raises questions in others. chhs gets to keep all the concessions and half the gate? thats a really good deal for them, seems the wealth should be shared in other venues, independent venues since this is an independent run organization and there are clubs that have no school affiliations. i understand the decision to cancel is for safety and liability and blah blah blah and it was this board or that superintendents decision, but the bottom line is poor planning and communication, glad i didnt drive all the way to etown and check into my room cause im sure i could find a lawyer to take that lawsuit for making me drive all the way there for no reason and help me recoup my financial losses and the anguish of travel i would have incurred. im surprised we even have these tournaments and competition anyway because somebody has to lose and the prevailing thought in society is that is negative, we cant have losers everyone must be a winner. im just glad to see some of us in society have not fallen into this pansy attitude.
Heres a suggestion- The above is a link to Nannette Johnston's email address. She is the Hardin County Schools Superintendent who cancelled the tournament. Email Mrs. Johnston your complaints. I will. Send her a copy of your hotel bill, gas receipts, and a picture of your kids disappointed faces (obviously kidding about that part). Additionally ask her for an explanation as to why she could cancel this tournament based on weather conditions and still allow her high school kids to travel in a county bus on the same hazardous roads on the same day. I doubt she will reply.
So someone says NO to MS state, but someone else (as of now) says it's OK for NHHS? Someone thinks we must save the MS's, someone else thinks it's OK to take a chance with the HS's. I have nothing against NHHS, who is in charge/of what? I have nothing to say about MS being cancelled, not my call. Whoever made that call has some explaining to do for not canceling other Hardin schools events.
Your making a mountain out of a mole hill. We haven't been told anything yet, and if I'm correct, we probably won't. If we do get to go, then you will have a point, and can complain. But right now you are arguing about something that hasn't happened !!! I hope your day is better tomorrow and not in a argumentative mood as you are tonight.
In fact if i really thought we were going, i wouldn't still be up reading your posts.
Your making a mountain out of a mole hill. We haven't been told anything yet, and if I'm correct, we probably won't. If we do get to go, then you will have a point, and can complain. But right now you are arguing about something that hasn't happened !!! I hope your day is better tomorrow and not in a argumentative mood as you are tonight.
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MY POINT is that a decision about your teams status has NOT BEEN MADE AS OF YET and a decision about our teams status HAS BEEN MADE eventhough we are talking about our teams competing on the same day! I am not argumentative, I am highly disappointed. And I fully suggest everyone email Mrs. Johnston to express their concerns. Dont be so quick to judge and or defend]
MY POINT is that a decision about your teams status has NOT BEEN MADE AS OF YET and a decision about our teams status HAS BEEN MADE eventhough we are talking about our teams competing on the same day! I am not argumentative, I am highly disappointed. And I fully suggest everyone email Mrs. Johnston to express their concerns. Dont be so quick to judge and or defend]
MY POINT is that a decision about your teams status has NOT BEEN MADE AS OF YET and a decision about our teams status HAS BEEN MADE eventhough we are talking about our teams competing on the same day! I am not argumentative, I am highly disappointed. And I fully suggest everyone email Mrs. Johnston to express their concerns. Dont be so quick to judge and or defend]
Trust me, the decision has been made. they just haven't told me yet.
Heres a suggestion- The above is a link to Nannette Johnston's email address. She is the Hardin County Schools Superintendent who cancelled the tournament. Email Mrs. Johnston your complaints. I will. Send her a copy of your hotel bill, gas receipts, and a picture of your kids disappointed faces (obviously kidding about that part). Additionally ask her for an explanation as to why she could cancel this tournament based on weather conditions and still allow her high school kids to travel in a county bus on the same hazardous roads on the same day. I doubt she will reply.
I do believe that I posted her email first. :-D My remarks are based on the facts as I know them, the roads were suppose to get bad the same as last week when HS state duals were called off. It was called off, I can live with that and wish there was plan B. I brought up the fact that the NHHS was still planning on hitting the road in the morning, and said it was wrong. The problem of no plan B S**KS for everyone involved in KY MS wrestling. A bigger problem for everyone in Hardin Co. is who is responsible for the safety of all the Hardin Co. students? :-o
Trust me, the decision has been made. they just haven't told me yet.
So to make matters worse your kids, their parents and North Oldham HS thinks you will be there in there in the morning and you will not be allowed, but no one has told you the HS coach? Just digging deeper if you ask me.
I agree that she made a bad decision but don't blame her for that' she has to look out for her school and everyone attending an event at one of the Hardin county schools. One problem i have (from what i been told) is that she wasn't willing to work with the KYSWA officers and Central Hardin Wrestling to come up with a solution to the problem. She shot them down and would not work with them on having the state tournament tomorrow. In business you have to be willing to make tough calls and she should have sat down with the people running the tournament and find a reasonable solution to the snow/ice problem. What should have been done is the state tournament should not have been canceled, every one was able to make it here last night. The tournament should have been put on hold until Saturday afternoon when everything would have been cleared off and the liability for the school would have been minimal at best. If everything was still in bad shape then it should have been canceled but then she could have said she tried but it didn't work out. Then each school would have had to make the call on wether to take a chance on coming the night before and spending money on hotel rooms or waiting to come up late the next morning. Either way the heat would have been off her and her school system if she would have worked with everyone involved.
I run a business and have to make tough decision's all the time. Some times they work out and sometimes they don't, but i always ask lot of question's and listen to everyone with an open mind, then i make the decision and hope for the best.
Everyone needs to remember it is not about who was right or who was wrong, it is about what is best for the kids and everyone involved. I am sure that the Superintendant,KYSWA Officers, Central Hardin Wrestling Cluband all coaches wrestlers and parents around the state have learned a lesson from all that has gone on and hopfully the next time cooler heads will prevail. It is easy to play the blame game but very seldom has anyone ever learned anything from being right you only learn from your mistakes thats life.
Am i disappointed yep, we have five eight graders this year and all of them had a shot at winning a state title plus our team was going for a fourth strait state championship and my son made it to state in his first try as a fourth grader. Yes i am extremely disappointed but i also hope we can still have it even if it is the week after the high school state tournament.
One thing about having state next weekend. From what i have been told if any wrestler has wrestled at least one match for there high school team they can not wrestle any other matches while the high school is having there post season tournaments unless they are wresting for there high school team. So they would be ineligible to wrestle next weekend even if its on sunday. This is the KHSAA rule and it would knock a lot of kids out of the state tournament if it is held next weekend. We would have to wait till the week after the High School State Tournament to have middle school state or a lot of the kids wresting from 96 through 230 would be intelligible. That is what i have been told.
So to make matters worse your kids, their parents and North Oldham HS thinks you will be there in there in the morning and you will not be allowed, but no one has told you the HS coach? Just digging deeper if you ask me.
As I thought. NH is not going anywhere. It would have been a great end of season tournament for the kids and i was truly hoping for a go. but the worst thing for me is missing the hospitality room!!!! What a bummer. lol
chhs gets to keep all the concessions and half the gate? thats a really good deal for them
they also shared the costs. this is going back 3 or 4 years, but they paid for refs, a trainer, i think there was some costs for security...trophies (not medals). we asked at the statewide meeting if anyone else wanted to host it, McCreary said they were interested...but then they couldn't get the gym. i'm not saying it's not a sweet deal for them, but it's not as sweet as it may sound.
everyone dnt blame central hardin for it being postponed it is not our faLUT and are bossters lost alot of money buying stuff for the event so dnt blame us blame the school borad no joke i was just as mad as all u
It was the Principal of Central Hardin HS that made the decision, the Superintendent only supported the Principals call. :-o
just curious what kind of weather the great storm of February 2010 brought upon etown i could scrape up all the snow in my county into a pile and not come up with 2 inches.
Trust me, the decision has been made. they just haven't told me yet.
What type of school administration or AD makes decisions regarding events (sports or other) that affect kids, parents, coaches of both hosting and participating schools and doesn't at least notify his own coaches of the status :-o
Sounds like the coordination between all is BROKEN or someone dropped the ball :cry:
Wow. Been reading this thread most of today, and I'm just now getting caught up with everything.
Mrs. Johnston did not cancel the tournament; she was simply backing Central Hardin's principal on the call. They made that call based on weather reports that said the Hardin County-E'town-Cecilia area was expected to get up to 3 inches of snow, plus ice, with this storm. Obviously that didn't happen, but there's no way anyone can definitively look into the future and say 'Hey, it ain't gonna snow' or 'Hey, there ain't gonna be no ice on the roads' or whatever.
I know it didn't do much last night and today, but the tourney was called off for safety reasons and safety reasons alone. I feel bad for all those people who can't get a refund on their hotel reservations.
And the fact is, a lot of these posts on this thread are way out of line. I would assume most people posting in this are adults or parents, but it sure doesn't seem that way after reading the thread.
OK it was cancelled. High school State Duals have been cancelled the last 2 years.
Do I agree with the call of the Hardin Co. school district? YES. A tough call but one they thought was the best call for the safety of all people concerned.
Do I like the call? NO Maybe if Hardin Co understood more what this event means to the great number of kids in our state maybe they would have reconsidered. Maybe. I believe they think they made the best decision they could with the information they had.
Do I think it should be rescheduled? YES Kids have worked hard for this event all year they should be rewarded with the opportunity to compete in this tourney.
Now the big question. Should it be held during or after the high school post season?
My opinion After the high school post season.
By doing this it gives every kid the opportunity to compete in this event. They may choose to not participate but it allows everyone the same opportunity to compete. If you do it during you will be alienating some kids. Those who fill varsity sports for their high school team. For some of these kids it is not their choice. The high school coach makes that decisionfor them. And some coaches may need them so that they can compete in the high school regional tournament or even help them win the regional tourney.
This is the opinion of GOO Nothing more nothing less
GOO out
grappler-of-old
No sure how you can say it was the correct call "safety of all people concerned". The weather report had been out for a week. Previous two out of the last four years at the Middle School State Tournament we received around 2 inches of snow with not incidents. CH principal made the call to cancel the tournament to CYA not for the safety of the kids. If the safety of the kids was the guiding factor the decision would have been made much early. Waiting till Friday afternoon to cancel the tournament put many of use on the road longer, exposing us to even greater risk. This was a weak call by a feeble administration.
JCB your right about the past but Jefferson co. last week had just a very good dusting and they had 10 bus wrecks with there buses and I think that was on all of there minds.
With two of three proposals for this weekend....when is the call coming?
Well I guess it is quite obvious...it is not going to be this weekend....or I guess it could be, I mean there has been more ignorant calls such as calling the middle school tournament off last weekend. Well then again we are supposed to get snow tomorrow too, that might affect it......
Could they really get enough hotel rooms saved? Don't think that will happen I know E-town is not that big but they do have things go on there. It's not a ghost town. They can't expect to have a middle school tournament if they are unable to get enough rooms for everyone to has to drive a couple of hours.
Well I hope the call comes soon, I would really like to make arrangements.