I propose the following. Just from years of having to drive from tournaments across the state. If we do not go back to district/region/state format. Realign as follows:

Reg 1: WKY (11 teams) Apollo, Caldwell, Calloway, Christian, Daviess, Ft Campbell, Hopkinsville, Ohio, Pad. Tighlman, Union, UHA. Same as current.

Reg 2: ??? (10 teams) Barren Co, Bullitt Cent, Bullitt East, Central Hardin, Ft Knox, John Hardin, Larue, Meade, Nelson, North Hardin.

Reg 3: Jefferson Co West (12 teams) Central, Desales, Doss, Fairdale, Holy Cross, Iroquois, Manual, PRP, Shawnee, St. X, Valley, Western. Combo of current regions 3/4.

Reg 4: Jefferson Co East (9 teams) Atherton, Eastern, Fern Creek, Jeffersontown, KCD, Moore, Seneca, Southern, Trinity. Combo of current regions 4/5.

Reg 5: NKY (12 teams) Bishop Brossart, Boone, Campbell, Conner, Cooper, Dixie Heights, Holmes, Newport, Ryle, Scott, Simon Kenton, Walton-Verona. Same as current.

Reg 6: Central KY (9 teams) Anderson, Boyle, Danville, Franklin, North Oldham, Oldham, S. Oldham, Woodford, Western Hills. Combo of current regions 2/5/7.

Reg 7: LEX (9 teams) Bourbon, Bryan Station, Harrison, Henry Clay, Lafayette, Madison Cent., Montgomery, Paul L. Dunbar, Tates Creek.

Reg 8: EKY (11 teams) Ashland Blazer, Belfry, Johnson Cent, Lawrence, Letcher Co Cent, McCreary Cent, Perry Cent, Prestonsburg, Sheldon Clark, Wayne, Whitley. Same as current.

There is not much that can be done to break up WKY region, NKY region, and EKY region. These regions are challenged geographically. It is hard to add or take away teams from these regions. Currently Louisville has aligned terribly. New Region 6 is bit more spread out than these teams are used to, but I do not think they will complain too much. New region 2 has added a few teams. New region 7 is Lexington plus schools on eastern side of Fayette Co.

Let me know if I left any teams off. Or if there are complaints, arguements or agreements. I know that you will.

i like it. fixes alot of the problems in louisville and evens out the amount of teams more then it is right now.

There are 12 teams in region 8.  You left out Pike Central.  You make that 3 and 1/2 hour bus trip one way that are kids made last week-end and see if you are still in favor of region 8 as it is now.

I don't think KCD will have a team in a year or 2 when Hendren graduates so that will leave Eastern Jefferson with 8 teams and Western Jefferson with 12.  Also, I believe you omitted Trigg Co. from Region 1 and I didn't know Barren County had a team.

I think your ideas are headed in the right direction.  The regions definitely need to be realigned....if for nothing else to even out the number of teams in each region.  This is a good start.  What needs to be done to make sure KHSAA looks into the unbalanced number of teams in each region??

I propose the following. Just from years of having to drive from tournaments across the state. If we do not go back to district/region/state format. Realign as follows:

Reg 1: WKY (11 teams) Apollo, Caldwell, Calloway, Christian, Daviess, Ft Campbell, Hopkinsville, Ohio, Pad. Tighlman, Union, UHA. Same as current.

Reg 2: ??? (10 teams) Barren Co, Bullitt Cent, Bullitt East, Central Hardin, Ft Knox, John Hardin, Larue, Meade, Nelson, North Hardin.

Reg 3: Jefferson Co West (12 teams) Central, Desales, Doss, Fairdale, Holy Cross, Iroquois, Manual, PRP, Shawnee, St. X, Valley, Western. Combo of current regions 3/4.

Reg 4: Jefferson Co East (9 teams) Atherton, Eastern, Fern Creek, Jeffersontown, KCD, Moore, Seneca, Southern, Trinity. Combo of current regions 4/5.

Reg 5: NKY (12 teams) Bishop Brossart, Boone, Campbell, Conner, Cooper, Dixie Heights, Holmes, Newport, Ryle, Scott, Simon Kenton, Walton-Verona. Same as current.

Reg 6: Central KY (9 teams) Anderson, Boyle, Danville, Franklin, North Oldham, Oldham, S. Oldham, Woodford, Western Hills. Combo of current regions 2/5/7.

Reg 7: LEX (9 teams) Bourbon, Bryan Station, Harrison, Henry Clay, Lafayette, Madison Cent., Montgomery, Paul L. Dunbar, Tates Creek.

Reg 8: EKY (11 teams) Ashland Blazer, Belfry, Johnson Cent, Lawrence, Letcher Co Cent, McCreary Cent, Perry Cent, Prestonsburg, Sheldon Clark, Wayne, Whitley. Same as current.

There is not much that can be done to break up WKY region, NKY region, and EKY region. These regions are challenged geographically. It is hard to add or take away teams from these regions. Currently Louisville has aligned terribly. New Region 6 is bit more spread out than these teams are used to, but I do not think they will complain too much. New region 2 has added a few teams. New region 7 is Lexington plus schools on eastern side of Fayette Co.

Let me know if I left any teams off. Or if there are complaints, arguements or agreements. I know that you will.

Realignment is coming and will be here for next year if the meeting is held soon enough this spring. If not it will be for the 2011/2012 season.

I like your region set ups and I hope that is the one that passes.

Sorry about omitting Trigg Co, I did not know if they had any participants a region 1 this year. Barren Co I think has a middle/JV school program coached by Luke Pniewski(spelled wrong I think). If KCD drops wrestling most likely leave with 8 teams or move Manual to JC East. Need to keep St X and Trinity apart for participation numbers. Both teams are generally full squads each year.

As far as travel in EKY region. It is unavoidable. Roads are bad, no interstates. I would suggest a central location for the region tournament every year. Same goes for WKY. Apollo and Ohio Co has a long drive to Paducah and Calloway Co.

Not a bad alignment.  But I would shuffle some of the Louisville teams from region 3 to region 4.

Realign as follows:

Reg 1: WKY (11 teams) Apollo, Caldwell, Calloway, Christian, Daviess, Ft Campbell, Hopkinsville, Ohio, Pad. Tighlman, Union, UHA. Same as current.

Reg 2: ??? (10 teams) Barren Co, Bullitt Cent, Bullitt East, Central Hardin, Ft Knox, John Hardin, Larue, Meade, Nelson, North Hardin.

Reg 3: Jefferson Co West (12 teams) Central, Desales, Doss, Fairdale, Holy Cross, Iroquois, Manual, PRP, Shawnee, St. X, Valley, Western. Combo of current regions 3/4.

Reg 4: Jefferson Co East (9 teams) Atherton, Eastern, Fern Creek, Jeffersontown, KCD, Moore, Seneca, Southern, Trinity. Combo of current regions 4/5.

Reg 5: NKY (12 teams) Bishop Brossart, Boone, Campbell, Conner, Cooper, Dixie Heights, Holmes, Newport, Ryle, Scott, Simon Kenton, Walton-Verona. Same as current.

Reg 6: Central KY (9 teams) Anderson, Boyle, Danville, Franklin, North Oldham, Oldham, S. Oldham, Woodford, Western Hills. Combo of current regions 2/5/7.

Reg 7: LEX (9 teams) Bourbon, Bryan Station, Harrison, Henry Clay, Lafayette, Madison Cent., Montgomery, Paul L. Dunbar, Tates Creek.

Reg 8: EKY (11 teams) Ashland Blazer, Belfry, Johnson Cent, Lawrence, Letcher Co Cent, McCreary Cent, Perry Cent, Prestonsburg, Sheldon Clark, Wayne, Whitley. Same as current.

I going to try and give this a shot.  For the most part it looks preety good Boss Man.  I want to start by saying it's never going to be perfect for everyone.  Move Southern from region 4 to region, giving region 3 13 teams officially (a lot of schools in that region do not have full teams and I haven't seen Western wrestle in a long time).  Move the Oldhams (3) to region 4 giving them 11 teams (KCD is done after next year and I haven't seen Atherton wrestle in a long time either).  Move one of the schools from the western end of the Lex region 7 to the Central region 6.  That will leave region 6 with 7 teams and region 7 with 8 teams.  The rest of the regions pretty much have to be the way they are. 

My alternate proposal would be to divide the Louisville regions into 3 regions (including the 3 Oldham teams) and combine what Boss Man has proposed for Region 6 and 7.

My primary goal in this realignment was to keep participation at regions uniform. For example, region 1 there are a total of 11 teams most of which are not full. Typically, have enough for 8 man brackets only. The same is true for every other region in this alignment. Region 6 is probably the only exception, that region would have several weight classes with 16 man brackets.

JC West/JC East concerns: Manual/St X/Southern are the three teams that could be in the shuffle if KCD drops. Most of the teams in both regions are partial squads so it will be different from year to year. Line has to be drawn somewhere and these three are on the line. Arguments, St. X typically a powerhouse in JC with a full squad. Southern, typically a power in region 3 with a full squad. Manual, good team in JC occassionally have a full squad.

And not showing bias toward any region I think the Lexington region has way too many teams in one region currently compared to three Louisville regions who have 3 regions that cannot fill eight man brackets in either. The Lexington area has the best chance for growth as well, i.e. Madison Central Montgomery Co in the past few years, as compared to Louisville programs declining or dropping, i.e. KCD, Atherton, Ballard.  Leave regions with potential for growth viable to add teams. Like Scott Co, Madison Southern, Jessamine Co, George Rogers Clark. Larger schools with potential for adding wrestling. In Louisville potential schools are few and far between.

My alternative for region 6: (7 teams) Oldham, N. Oldham, S. Oldham, Anderson, Franklin, Woodford, Western Hills. Pros vs Cons Easy travel, low participation.

Region 7: (11 teams) Bourbon, Boyle, Bryan Station, Danville, Harrison Co, Henry Clay, Lafayette, Madison Cent, Montgomery, Paul L. Dunbar, Tates Creek. Pros vs cons Easy travel(Danville is 1.5-2 hours from just about everywhere), too many participants(i.e. 16 man brackets).

I meant Region 5 with regards to having the 16 man brackets.

When looking at the changes in regions I am considering location and competiton.  I think you have to keep the Oldham county schools with the Louisville Region due to there location. 

including oldham county schools with woodford is the same as making them travel to lexington

"The Lexington area has the best chance for growth as well, i.e. Madison Central Montgomery Co in the past few years, as compared to Louisville programs declining or dropping, i.e. KCD, Atherton, Ballard.  Leave regions with potential for growth viable to add teams. Like Scott Co, Madison Southern, Jessamine Co, George Rogers Clark. Larger schools with potential for adding wrestling. In Louisville potential schools are few and far between."

Madison Southern is already preparing to start a team. I'd say that they will be wrestling next season from what I've heard.

Sorry about omitting Trigg Co, I did not know if they had any participants a region 1 this year. Barren Co I think has a middle/JV school program coached by Luke Pniewski(spelled wrong I think). If KCD drops wrestling most likely leave with 8 teams or move Manual to JC East. Need to keep St X and Trinity apart for participation numbers. Both teams are generally full squads each year.

As far as travel in EKY region. It is unavoidable. Roads are bad, no interstates. I would suggest a central location for the region tournament every year. Same goes for WKY. Apollo and Ohio Co has a long drive to Paducah and Calloway Co.

Region 8 gets the shaft in my opinion.  You should not have to travel four hours to compete against someone in your region.  I don't know what the answer is, but when your bus drives through a couple of other regions just to get to yours, something is not right.

I know that travel in EKY is a pain. And that some of the teams have to travel through Lexington to get to the other schools in their region, but there is nothing that can be done about that. Rural schools have it tough and always will. Make the best of what you have. Have region at Wayne one year, then Ashland the next. There is not a good way other than to rotate each year.

Have the region at Morehead State every year.  I'm sure they would love the exposure and it's centrally located to those schools.

I used to have a google map of all the schools with wrestling and their region... I've been working on rebuilding that.

I think the following should be the criteria for alignment (in this order):

1. Geographical Location

3. Even Regional Participation (Team AND total participant count)

4. Potential Growth locations considered

5. Even Regional Competition Level

The reason I put competition level last is because this element can change from year to year

Region 8 is also adding two more teams for next year meaning that there would be 14 teams in region 8

Region 8 is also adding two more teams for next year meaning that there would be 14 teams in region 8

Who are they?

Jenkins high school and Hazard high school. I have only heard from others about Hazard High school but have heard from the AD of Jenkins High school that they will have a team next year.

Gglad to see the growth in EKY

I have heard talk about Grant County adding a program. Where would they go, 6 or 7. Both regions are already fairly large

with 14 teams in region 8 some kids are going to get knocked out of wrestling at the state tournament because of the five match rule.

Looks like Region 8 will have to go to a 2 day tournament...like Region 7 did this year, and yes you have to make weight both days  :cry:

I have one question, why would you take Woodford out of Region 7 when Montgomery county is farther away than Woodford is from Lexington? It would make a lot more sense to put Montgomery in Region 6 then. Also Lexington is Central Kentucky and Versailles (Woodford Co.) is only 10 mins down the road from Lexington.

i think that Wayne Whitley and McCeary should be moved to another region to cut down on travel time.

I agree with wrestler07. wayne county is over 3 hours away and waking up at 4:30 in the morning to get ready and leave for a meet there is crazy.

Here's a map of the regions and a zoom shot of region 3

Looks pretty even geographically... region 8 really does look really spread out.

(This isn't 100% of the teams but I'm only missing a few that I couldn't get the address for)

Mathound, how recently was this map updated?

Mathound, how recently was this map updated?

I updated it last night to include Belfry, Madison Central, Trigg County, Walton-Verona, and Meade County

It's still missing Union County, Bullit Central, Cooper, and maybe a few more

I'll try to post it somewhere later so that you get the real map and not just a screen shot

I could see getting rid of region 3 and splitting it among regions 4 and 5... only having 2 regions for louisville. This would allow you to create a new "South Region" to split up region 8 and reduce the travel for region 8... meanwhile reducing the number of teams in region 2 and region 7.

Send Meade County to Region 2 to reduce the numbers in the new region 3. (Maybe 1 or 2 more teams too)

Create a new "South Region" which would include South West half of region 8 plus Danville, Boyle County, and Madison Central.

Send Montgomery County to the new region 8 (it is right on 64 and mountain parkway for quick travel). Maybe this will spark interest in growth areas like somerset, corbin, berea, morehead, West Liberty, etc. We need to find a way to spark some interest in Bowling Green, and Campbellsville area too

I believe a few more teams are adding in region 8 next year along with a few more teams in region 7 like Scott County, etc

I like your ideas Mathound

I updated it last night to include Belfry, Madison Central, Trigg County, Walton-Verona, and Meade County

It's still missing Union County, Bullit Central, Cooper, and maybe a few more

I'll try to post it somewhere later so that you get the real map and not just a screen shot

Don't see Anderson Co.

I could see getting rid of region 3 and splitting it among regions 4 and 5... only having 2 regions for louisville. This would allow you to create a new "South Region" to split up region 8 and reduce the travel for region 8... meanwhile reducing the number of teams in region 2 and region 7.

Send Meade County to Region 2 to reduce the numbers in the new region 3. (Maybe 1 or 2 more teams too)

Create a new "South Region" which would include South West half of region 8 plus Danville, Boyle County, and Madison Central.

Send Montgomery County to the new region 8 (it is right on 64 and mountain parkway for quick travel). Maybe this will spark interest in growth areas like somerset, corbin, berea, morehead, West Liberty, etc. We need to find a way to spark some interest in Bowling Green, and Campbellsville area too

I believe a few more teams are adding in region 8 next year along with a few more teams in region 7 like Scott County, etc

this sounds like an excellent idea

I could see getting rid of region 3 and splitting it among regions 4 and 5... only having 2 regions for louisville. This would allow you to create a new "South Region" to split up region 8 and reduce the travel for region 8... meanwhile reducing the number of teams in region 2 and region 7.

Send Meade County to Region 2 to reduce the numbers in the new region 3. (Maybe 1 or 2 more teams too)

Create a new "South Region" which would include South West half of region 8 plus Danville, Boyle County, and Madison Central.

Send Montgomery County to the new region 8 (it is right on 64 and mountain parkway for quick travel). Maybe this will spark interest in growth areas like somerset, corbin, berea, morehead, West Liberty, etc. We need to find a way to spark some interest in Bowling Green, and Campbellsville area too

I believe a few more teams are adding in region 8 next year along with a few more teams in region 7 like Scott County, etc

Campbellsville High School had a program up till like 2000 I believe

Campbellsville High School had a program up till like 2000 I believe

Coach James has started a Youth Program. He has been doing it for 2 years now. They competed this year under the name Taylor County.

Finally got around to posting the map... let me know if I missed anyone!

http://map.kentuckywrestling.com/

I could see getting rid of region 3 and splitting it among regions 4 and 5... only having 2 regions for louisville. This would allow you to create a new "South Region" to split up region 8 and reduce the travel for region 8... meanwhile reducing the number of teams in region 2 and region 7.

Send Meade County to Region 2 to reduce the numbers in the new region 3. (Maybe 1 or 2 more teams too)

Create a new "South Region" which would include South West half of region 8 plus Danville, Boyle County, and Madison Central.

Send Montgomery County to the new region 8 (it is right on 64 and mountain parkway for quick travel). Maybe this will spark interest in growth areas like somerset, corbin, berea, morehead, West Liberty, etc. We need to find a way to spark some interest in Bowling Green, and Campbellsville area too

I believe a few more teams are adding in region 8 next year along with a few more teams in region 7 like Scott County, etc

I don't understand how Wrestling has not made it to Bowling green.

And I still can't believe how many schools that compete in Class 5A and 6A in football don't have wrestling programs.  In 6A Graves Co, Henderson Co, Marshall Co, Muhlenberg Co, Greenwood, Butler, Male, Shelby Co, Ballard & Scott Co don't have wrestling teams.  In Class 5A Madisonville, Owensboro, Barren Co, Bowling Green, Grayson Co, Warren Central, Waggener, Grant Co, Covington Catholic, Highlands, Lincoln Co, Pulaski Co, South Laurel, Southwestern, Clay Co, Harlan Co & North Laurel don't have wrestling programs.  Now I know a few of these use to have wrestling teams not too long ago and a few more are getting ready to start programs, but still, that number is staggering.  That's almost 40% of the schools who compete at the top 2 classes in football who don't have wrestling programs.

Here's a map of the regions and a zoom shot of region 3

Looks pretty even geographically... region 8 really does look really spread out.

(This isn't 100% of the teams but I'm only missing a few that I couldn't get the address for)

P.S do u need Bullitt central and bullitt east address

looks good but i would change the one school in region 4 (the one that is alittle bit away from the bunch and change it out for one of the region 3 schools that is closer)

P.S do u need Bullitt central and bullitt east address

Check the new map... http://map.kentuckywrestling.com/

This is currently how it stands today

What if we broke each Region in half and had districts? Just a thought. I do think that Lou need 2 regions and not 3.

What about Kentucky School for the Blind? They still technically have a team though it hasn't been full in decades.

What about Kentucky School for the Blind? They still technically have a team though it hasn't been full in decades.

KSB is on the list.  They're listed with Region 4 and they're just to the right of Central on the map Mathound has provided.

Okay. Discussion has gone around and around. Lets see where we are. 2 options I propose from the feed back received.

Option 1:

Reg 1(13 teams): Apollo, Caldwell Co, Calloway Co, Christian Co, Daviess Co, Ft Campbell, Hopkinsville, Ohio Co, Pad Tighlman, Trigg Co, Union Co, University Heights.

Reg 2(10 teams): Barren Co, Bullitt Cent, Bullitt East, Cent Hardin, Ft Knox, John Hardin, Larue Co, Meade Co, Nelson Co, North Hardin.

Reg 3(14 teams): Central, Desales, Doss, Fairdale, Holy Cross, Iroquois, KSB, Manual, PRP, Shawnee, Southern, St X, Valley, Western.

Reg 4(12 teams): Atherton, Eastern, Fern Creek, Eastern, Jeffersontown, KCD, Moore, North Oldham, Oldham Co, Seneca, South Oldham, Trinity.

Reg 5(13 teams): Bishop Brossart, Boone Co, Campbell Co, Conner, Cooper, Dixie Heights, Grant Co, Holmes, Newport, Ryle, Scott, Simon Kenton, Walton-Verona.

Reg 6(10 teams): Bourbon Co, Bryan Station, Franklin Co, Henry Clay, Lafayette, Montgomery Co, PL Dunbar, Tates Creek, Woodford Co, Western Hills.

Reg 7(8 teams): Anderson Co, Boyle Co, Danville, Madison Cent., Madison So., McCreary Cent., Wayne Co, Whitley Co.

Reg 8(11 teams): Ashland Blazer, Belfry, Hazard, Jenkins, Johnson Cent., Lawrence Co, Letcher Co Cent, Perry Co Cent., Pike Co Cent., Prestonsburg, Sheldon Clark.

Option 2:

Reg 1(13 teams): Same as above

Reg 2(10 teams): Same as above

Reg 3(13 teams): Central, Desales, Doss, Fairdale, Holy Cross, Iroquois, KSB, Manual, PRP, Shawnee, St X, Valley, Western.

Reg 4(9 teams): Atherton, Eastern, Fern Creek, Jeffersontown, KCD, Moore, Seneca, Southern, Trinity.

Reg 5(13 teams): Same as above

Reg 6(9 teams): Anderson Co, Boyle Co, Danville, Franklin Co, North Oldham, Oldham Co, South Oldham, Woodford Co, Western Hills.

Reg 7(10 teams): Bourbon Co, Bryan Station, Harrison Co, Henry Clay, Lafayette, Madison Cent., Madison So., Montgomery Co, PL Dunbar, Tates Creek.

Reg 8(14 teams): Ashland Blazer, Belfry, Hazard, Jenkins, Johnson Cent., Lawrence Co, Letcher Co Cent., McCreary Cent., Perry Co Cent., Pike Co Cent., Prestonsburg, Sheldon Clark, Wayne Co, Whitley Co.

Both options include teams that may or may not have programs or participants in postseason this year or next. Those are: Trigg Co., Barren Co, KSB, Atherton, KCD, Grant Co, Madison So., Hazard, Jenkins.

Comments: Look at participation compared to travel for both plans. The map has been provided by Mathound. Not really a good place to find participation figures, but most informed persons know what teams are full or not.

Someone set up a poll. I don't know how.

Option one looks like the best.

How likely is it we will actually realign or is this topic more hypothetical

How likely is it we will actually realign or is this topic more hypothetical

It's probably more hypothetical at this point. The KHSAA is doing realignment in some other sports right now and it really comes down to how badly the coaches want it. Unless the coaches really push for it, it won't happen.