I was just wondering why people get so offended when a wrestler celebrates in whatever fashion after a state championship.  I know some people feel as though there should be some level of restraint; shake the opponents hand and walk away, yada yada yada.  But who decided that this is the way it should be? I don't condone any level of taunting or disrespecting your opponent but on the other hand, a sincere release of pure unfiltered emotion is exhilarating to watch and experience.  I am sure most of us haven't seen that type of emotion from our teenagers since they were little babies who weren't worried about what other people might think.

The phrase "act like you have been there before" doesn't really apply at the finals of a state wrestling tournament; most kids haven't been there.  Fist pumping, shouts of joy, muscle flexing, one finger held high get the crowd in a frenzy.  Oh what a feeling!  Myron didn't have a melt down, that was a release of pure emotion mixed with a little  attitude.  He turned and shook Mark's hand no disrespect intended to him and walked off.  I like watching the boys let it loose.  All of us in the stands are acting like complete idiots when our boys win.  Maybe someone can shed some light? 

Myron's reaction was odd more than anything

But it was funny watching the emotion of Palmer, Osbourne and Thomas, which I think came from them being returning runner-ups

And then comparing it to Caleb Ervin not seeming to care at all

Myron's reaction was odd more than anything

But it was funny watching the emotion of Palmer, Osbourne and Thomas, which I think came from them being returning runner-ups

And then comparing it to Caleb Ervin not seeming to care at all

Caleb was quite upset that the Johnson Central kid (i Believe) wouldn't open up and was just tring to keep the score close.

Caleb was quite upset that the Johnson Central kid (i Believe) wouldn't open up and was just tring to keep the score close.

Ya I noticed that, my teammates and I joked about how he was just fighting to survive

Yes, I thought Caleb was upset with the JC guy stalling and holding on for dear life as they say. Nevertheless he had another undefeated season. Congrats to Trinity on their title, and all the state champs as well.

I agree. It is pretty interesting to watch the wrestlers celebrate. It is a moment when everyone has their eyes on you, and for a brief moment, you can let go of your emotions. I believe that if a wrestler has worked hard enough to obtain a title than he has earned the right to celebrate.

I liked it better when state champs used to do back flips and the coaches carried kids away after winning state titles. I understand the whole act like you've been there before attitude but for one moment you can celebrate.

Kids are diff these days.

I think a humble champion is a class act,celebrate on the inside and show respect to your opponent on the outside.

I would say a celebration is in order for winning a State Championship. I would also believe that the only ones that have a problem with the celebrations, most likely lost. :-P :x

I think a humble champion is a class act,celebrate on the inside and show respect to your opponent on the outside.

I respect your opinion.  I was one of the fans in the stands cheering like an idiot for my son.  If he hadn't celebrated, I  would have thought something was wrong with him.  :-)

Given the ceremonies, and festivities that take place prior to these matches, especially the finals, I would expect nothing less than an outpouring of celebration.  The atmosphere is way too much to expect a somber exit from the mat as if it were just another match. 

I am not saying anything is wrong with the celebrations.There were several finalist that my son wrestled with in middle school and some we went to nationals with and yes I celebrated with them but if my son were to celebrate much at all it would be out of character for him.I am as proud of him for his character as I am his state championship. My son is John Lampe and I have said it many times I am truly blessed to be his father.

If anyone has ever watched the NCAA finals, you will see that these 21 and 22 year old young men celebrate just like Myron did, some even a little more and no one ever calls them classless or bad sports. After you have just won state, or even nationals, you aren't thinking about what you are doing, it is just pure emotion. That being said, I do think the celebration can wait until after you have shook the other kid's hand and congratulated him. I hate seeing the winner celebrate while the loser lays on the mat, obviously dissapointed.

I am not saying anything is wrong with the celebrations.There were several finalist that my son wrestled with in middle school and some we went to nationals with and yes I celebrated with them but if my son were to celebrate much at all it would be out of character for him.I am as proud of him for his character as I am his state championship. My son is John Lampe and I have said it many times I am truly blessed to be his father.

I spoke to your John at the Dragon  and state.  Super young man.  Congrats.

I think we need to be careful about judging these young athletes under the spotlights to harshly.  I know I don't want anyone going through my life with a magnifying glass.  Might be a little embarassing. :oops:

If you don't want a guy to celebrate when he wins state...then maybe you should beat him!

I liked it better when state champs used to do back flips and the coaches carried kids away after winning state titles. I understand the whole act like you've been there before attitude but for one moment you can celebrate.

Agreed. I honestly hope there's at least one back flip every year. While I usually favor the reserved, been-there-done-that attitude, winning a state title is the culmination of usually years of hard work and determination. If there's one moment where I'd expect, even honor, an outpour of emotion, it's after a state finals win.

Pass judgment on these young student athletes, we should not. If not directly disrespectful to the opponent, kentucky wrestling more entertaining, these celebrations make.

I don't think most people mind it for winning state, that is a heck of an accomplishment.  I don't care for it when it is the first few rounds.  I think maybe some people were mad about Bradbury because he had beat (all beat a bada$$!!) a 7th grader.  That's a heck of a maturity level difference in body between a 12-13 year old and a 17 yr old!  Heck of an accomplishment for him to get there even. 

7:53 of this video, that's how it's done.  :-D

John Lampe had the best celebration lol

ryledad ,  once again you have displayed class and wisdom that few others can match, thank you

My favorite celebration...1998-when Joe Carr Senior did a back flip after Joe Carr Jr. won his 4th State title.

my thoughts (take them for what they're worth): yes, i enjoy watching the celebrations after a finals victory. HOWEVER, there are ppl who take it too far. Spiking your headgear after beating a 7th grader (no matter how awesome he is), looking up at the fans of the wrestler you just beat as you draw their symbol on your chest and slice at your throat (not this year, but still one i remember from 2001), brushing off your shoulders/hips, or running to your coach and jumping into their arms/running off the mat before shaking your opponents hand are some that take it too far just to name a few.

Moral: by all means celebrate, you've earned it, but DON'T TAKE IT TOO FAR.

I've never been a big fan of big celebrations... I find them disrespectful of the opponent.  That guy just lost a match and I'm sure is feeling very bad... this just rubs it in their face.  I understand emotion and excitement of winning... particularly a State Title... and understand if there is a raised fist, number one, ect. but throwing headgear, etc. is unacceptable.  I applaude Coach Brown for having Myron apologize to Hall and the Ryle Coaches... good lesson for Myron and what a class act Coach Brown.  Congrats to Myron... I am quite sure he has worked hard for the title.    Congrats also to Mark Hall.  What an impressive kid.  12 years old, moves away from his friends and from what I understand has fit in really well with his teammates, demonstrates only maturity and class on and off the mat.  Great job Mom and Dad!

I agree with the not a big fan of celebrations, especially for a mundane match but for a state title ok.  But when a pro does it for just a tackle, or big gain heck you are supposed to do that.  I would be surprised to know that Coach Brown had told Bradbury to go back and apologize to Ryle for his actions as he is the first one to go running infront of the Trinity area from whichever side of the mat he is on and raising his fists in the air and yelling.  So it is kind of an expected reaction I would think based on the examples given, but just my observation as well as many others I have talked to.

I've never been a big fan of big celebrations... I find them disrespectful of the opponent.  That guy just lost a match and I'm sure is feeling very bad... this just rubs it in their face.  I understand emotion and excitement of winning... particularly a State Title... and understand if there is a raised fist, number one, ect. but throwing headgear, etc. is unacceptable.  I applaude Coach Brown for having Myron apologize to Hall and the Ryle Coaches... good lesson for Myron and what a class act Coach Brown.  Congrats to Myron... I am quite sure he has worked hard for the title.    Congrats also to Mark Hall.  What an impressive kid.  12 years old, moves away from his friends and from what I understand has fit in really well with his teammates, demonstrates only maturity and class on and off the mat.  Great job Mom and Dad!

My impression was that Bradbury's celebration intended to send a message that "you are not gonna bring a 7th grade ringer in and win our state championship!"

Right or wrong, that what it looked like to me, in the stands.

And, is that wrong?

And, is that wrong?

No its not.  Sorry but Ryle's chickenhawking plan didn't work.  Wonder who the 119 pounder for Ryle who lost his spot was?  Must feel great for him!

I agree with the not a big fan of celebrations, especially for a mundane match but for a state title ok.  But when a pro does it for just a tackle, or big gain heck you are supposed to do that.  I would be surprised to know that Coach Brown had told Bradbury to go back and apologize to Ryle for his actions as he is the first one to go running infront of the Trinity area from whichever side of the mat he is on and raising his fists in the air and yelling.  So it is kind of an expected reaction I would think based on the examples given, but just my observation as well as many others I have talked to.

CoachK -

Do you suppose that is part of Coach Brown's motivational tool box? He does something better than everyone else. The momentum Trinity had in the 1/4 finals was a thing of beauty. 3 pins within 90 seconds beginning with Ohlman's decking of Shotwell to McCauley's upset sticking of Jude and Hitchings pin wouldn't get your fist raised? He had been stirring that kool-aide ever since the Ryle Rumble and his kids were chugging it like a frat party kegger.

No one seems to mind anymore when the Carr&Carr coaching show is half way on to the mat because Woodford is a little down.

Coach Brown is not only good for Trinity, he is a helluva ambassador for Kentucky wrestling in general.

http://www.flowrestling.org/videos/speaker/4044-brown-richard

Those that are upset with myrons celebration should not forget the pressure that was put upon him by many on this site. For the 3weeks between the dragon loss several formus were started about what would happen to the furture of kentucky wresting if an seventh grade outsider came in and beat a defending state champ to win state. (no matter how phenominal Hall was, and he was that a phenom). So please rem the amount of pressure that was put on myron from the entire state to basically uphold our states reputation before you judge his celebration. I watched the video again and he threw his head gear at his own coaches feet let out a relief screem of excitment and went back to the center of the mat on to be greated by the boos of a select few ryle fans. (not all, the LARGE majority of ryle fans, including all coaches, Mark hall and his father were very respectful and congradulated myron on his victory) So i believe he simply reacted by saying your boos cant take my enjoyment of achieving somehting i worked for over the last ten years. Thank you for considering these facts from someone who is closer to the situation.

When I wrestled we had kids move into the state as well.  The ones I'm thinking of came from florida.  After the youngest was to go into the 9th grade their dad moved them to ohio to get them more exposure and experience.  He got 2nd his jr year and 1st his senior year.  Nothings changed on that front.  It helps our sport.  Most state champs celebrated even back in the 70's and 80's.  Goal reached.  I was not there this year to say anything about the 119 winners reaction.  If ryle's 119 did not like it he will use that as fuel to use against the team of the 119 winner.  The next kid will pay if the kid feels it was wrong.  It works itself out.  On the mat.....     

I don't know if it's part of a "motivational tool box" but sure it's to get a reaction from their fans and that's good, I just stated for the person who mentioned myron's outcry (which I thought was fine) where it might have come from as he had seen it 6,7, 8 or more times from previous matches in the earlier days. Sure those three wins were great and by all means deserve a fist raise or pump, i was referring to the every match walking over to the fans and yelling. As far as the C & C show, I don't think most people still like the fact they go onto the mat almost every match.  but it's funny how they hold each other back while the other one takes another step forward...they are comical out there for sure.

CoachK -

Do you suppose that is part of Coach Brown's motivational tool box? He does something better than everyone else. The momentum Trinity had in the 1/4 finals was a thing of beauty. 3 pins within 90 seconds beginning with Ohlman's decking of Shotwell to McCauley's upset sticking of Jude and Hitchings pin wouldn't get your fist raised? He had been stirring that kool-aide ever since the Ryle Rumble and his kids were chugging it like a frat party kegger.

No one seems to mind anymore when the Carr&Carr coaching show is half way on to the mat because Woodford is a little down.

Coach Brown is not only good for Trinity, he is a helluva ambassador for Kentucky wrestling in general.

http://www.flowrestling.org/videos/speaker/4044-brown-richard

Yes, according to Tim, Coach Brown did have Myron apologize to Mark and the coaches which I find respectful and a class move.  Not sure what "chickenhawking" is... but, for the record, Mark Hall came to Union as a new student and was accepted in the Gray/Ryle school campus, which qualified him to wrestle for Ryle.  Mark worked out with the team and wrestled off for 119... was awarded the position.  He was accepted as a part of the team and everyone on the team was proud to have him in the room and representing the team.  You will not find a more respectful and hard working young man. 

I congratulate Myron on his title... he has worked very hard and deserves the recognition and the title.  There is little doubt that Mark Hall will be recognized and rewarded as well as he progresses through is high school career.  They were two very tough competitors that provided a well fought and entertaining finals match.  I think we should all  be applauding the high level of competition they brought to our state tournament... not finding reasons for bashing either one of them. 

Did I miss something?? What did this kid do?? I was there but didn't notice anything out of the way when he won.....someone fill me in.  In my opinion (for what it's worth) this kids have the right to celebrate....they have worked for years and years for this accomplishment.  Nothing wrong w/ celebration as long as it is in good taste.  Congrats to the 7th grader.....does anyone know if a 7th grader has ever been in the finals before?

Im pretty sure josh cooper from simon kenton was a 7th grader when he made the finals in 2003

Im pretty sure josh cooper from simon kenton was a 7th grader when he made the finals in 2003

KHSAA records show him as an 8th grader but I don't know the accuracy of the records.

No its not.  Sorry but Ryle's chickenhawking plan didn't work.  Wonder who the 119 pounder for Ryle who lost his spot was?  Must feel great for him!

Get a grip you act like Ryle went on a hunt to bring someone in. The facts are Hall called Trinity and they wont allow Middle Schoolers to partcipate in Varsity events then he called the next best team i.e. Ryle and went there. Please tell me your not so lame that you will try to rain on a 7th graders accomplishment.

As far as Myron goes it was out of Myron's norm to act like that but there were a lot of emotions there and I can understand that. Like I told a friend though the sad part is thats how some people at the tournament will now remember him not everyone knows he apologized. Myron is a great kid and has a great future. Keep up the hard work!