What were the biggest upsets or shockers of the tournament. I think one of the biggest shocks came in the 82 lb. weight class with Wiley (defending state chanmp) finishing 6th after being pinned by Kline of Trigg County.

Buckman at 131...he got 2nd but they said it was only his 2nd year wrestling.  The 150 Champ Smith also surprised me.  I was more surprised by the pick for MOW. 

You've got to throw the 150 pounder from Elkhorn (Darius Bucerzan) into the group as well. First year wrestler placing third at State in one of the heavier weight classes is real impressive. 

I think the 165 lb class was a huge shock. Nelson had a heck of a season winning districts and regionals undefeated,  but injured his hip in the 3rd match at state and was basically out of it after that. But never fear he is under doctors care and he will be back next year bigger and better and I see a state championship in his future.

Glad to hear that...I hate that his hip injury knocked him out, especially after having the season extended 3 weeks because of the cancellation.  I hope to see some great wrestling from him in the future.

Glad to hear that...I hate that his hip injury knocked him out, especially after having the season extended 3 weeks because of the cancellation.  I hope to see some great wrestling from him in the future.

I think when jones beat lewis at 124 was a surprise. The ref called a pin when they was rolling.

Hansgen 140 from Crosby.  Really got messed over in his first match due to sub par wrestling, horrible officiating, and a clock error.  Wrestled all the way back for 3rd, beating Ball in the consolation finals.  Ball was supposed to be the man to beat for the weight class.  Did I mention Hansgen was a first year wrestler.

Buckman at 131...he got 2nd but they said it was only his 2nd year wrestling.  The 150 Champ Smith also surprised me.  I was more surprised by the pick for MOW.

why would u be suprized? mitch rush got beaten by a 6th grade in the finals i think he should have gotten it dont u? and that was mitch's second loss to him......tyler is well deserving of the mow

Buckman at 131...he got 2nd but they said it was only his 2nd year wrestling.  The 150 Champ Smith also surprised me.  I was more surprised by the pick for MOW.

Thank you BAZER82! Not only is Tyler Frankrone a 6th grader, but most of his competition has been wrestling anywhere from 5-8  years. This was Tyler's 3rd year! 

Walker Keaton at 140, didn't get to wrestle due to knee injury, dominated State Champ Coleman at District and Region taking first, both times.  Too bad he didn't get to wrestle and become the state champ as well.

Walker Keaton at 140, didn't get to wrestle due to knee injury, dominated State Champ Coleman at District and Region taking first, both times.  Too bad he didn't get to wrestle and become the state champ as well.

yes Keaton beat Coleman in the Districts and Regional finals but to say he dominated him is GREATLY over exagerated! I am sorry that Keaton got injured and wasn't able to wrestle at state. I know Coleman was looking forward to a rematch.

Glad to hear that...I hate that his hip injury knocked him out, especially after having the season extended 3 weeks because of the cancellation.  I hope to see some great wrestling from him in the future.

Thanks, we are headed back to the Orthopedic specialist tomorrow. I know he feels like he let a lot of people down and he is working hard to get well and make amends.

yes Keaton beat Coleman in the Districts and Regional finals but to say he dominated him is GREATLY over exagerated! I am sorry that Keaton got injured and wasn't able to wrestle at state. I know Coleman was looking forward to a rematch.

how did he not dominate him? didnt he pin him once and beat by eight the last time?

how did he not dominate him? didn't he pin him once and beat by eight the last time?

Don't get me wrong, he definitely out wrestled Coleman both days. 12-4 was the score in both the Districts and Regionals. You make it sound as though Coleman wasn't even competitive though. The score on both occasions was much closer through the first two periods. Keaton definitely finishes stronger and is why he won both times. Signs of a very strong wrestler. I wished he would have been able to wrestle at State. I look forward to seeing him and Coleman both wrestle in high school.

Just an FYI for those interested... there are photos of the tournament at www.bluegrasswrestling.smugmug.com at the Middle School Wrestling menu option.

Was the officiating at ms state good? Which refs were the better ones?

NO, the officials were youth, inexperienced and generally poor. 

JCB, give us some examples.  One call that really stood out.

NO, the officials were youth, inexperienced and generally poor.

They definitely were not perfect, but this is dramatically overstated.

Ranger I was not trying to case a stink but was given an answer to IB171 questing.   

Ranger I tried to keep it simple and accurate with the

Ranger I was not trying to case a stink but was given an answer to IB171 questing.   

Ranger I tried to keep it simple and accurate with the

"In the overtime our youth shot in and had the leg the other youth was on top of him in a pan cake over the hips.  The youth was given two.  I question the official he told me that it was two when the youth was over the under youth hips."

That's the one I thought you wanted to comment on.  Look JCB, it was clearly a takedown.  It wasn't even close.  I was mat side and saw it.  He had clear control on the takedown.  Your wrestler ended up on his stomach.

Were there some missed calls and bad ones?  Yes.  But overall the officiating was pretty solid.  I will say it was a lot better than what we got in Northern KY all year.

Let me start by saying the officiating was decent for the most part, but there were a couple officials who where sub par.  I have one official in mind that stood out, and if you were there you know who I am refering to.

I wrestled in KY, officiated for three years (middle and high school), and have coached for two years now.  I understand it is a tough job and that there are not a ton of great officials, but there should be better officials for that level of competition including HS state officials. 

Because of my experience as an official I will generally side with an official when it comes to dealing with the pressure of a 10 hour day of wrestling....With that being said, there was a match that I believe influenced who the eventual state champion would have been.  I'm not going to get into all of the mistakes made or name names but this wrestler lost his very first match partially due to officiating mistakes and had to wrestle all the way back to place third....which he did.  I believe he was the only wrestler there that had to go through that process.  The kid deserved better than what he got. 

You can get the best refs in the state but they will still miss calls. There is know way coaches will be happy about the  way refs call matches. Maybe coaches should be held to a higher standard, if you think the ref made a wrong call and the other coach agrees with you then the call could be over turned. I don't think the ref would mind it would be on the coaches shoulders then. They do admit they miss some calls and would like to make sure every wrestler is given what they have earned. The other way is to have two refs on every mat like they do in the finals this would minimize bad calls.

I completly agree with holding coaches to a higher standard.  When I officiated I had no problem with ejecting coaches if they were out of line.  I ejected one of the coaches that I coach with now from King of the Bluegrass a few years ago.  Coaches have to treat the officials with respect no matter the circumstance.

Coaches confering with each other on the mat to over turn a decision iby an offical isn't happening.  Neither is two refs per mat unless its the finals.  It's not cost effective.  Most coaches will accept a decision be it close or not if the call is right, so its not about coaches never being satisfied.  And, yes, every official makes a mistake.  A good official corrects the mistake if possible or admits when he has made a mistake and learns from it.  The state tournament is not where you go to learn.

I agree that shouldn't be where the officials learn, but they have to get some experience with the long, pressure filled days at an important event.  I was an official myself and did a number tournaments, but when I did the HS region it was a different experience.  I knew it was important and the coaches put a lot more pressure on the officials.

I think the woman and the skinny ref who wears glasses were the best two that were there.  I didn't like the one ref who left his shirt untucked the whole time.  Does that affect his calls?  No, but it looks terribly unprofessional. 

I agree with the female ref being one of the best! I believe she's registered with Fila to ref nationally!

Guys this sport is like all others,  there will be bad calls along with good calls.  So you have to take the good with the bad.  My son (Belk) had a horrible day.  Wrestled with a compound fracture in his hand,  had a couple of bad calls. But in the end he is healthy, besides his right hand, and we all live to fight another day.  Ref's learn from there mistakes, like we all do.  We will see you all next year...  Thank goodness Jon(Belk) is just a 7th grader.  See you all at camp this summer.

the semi final match between clark and frankrone definetly had some questionable calls at the end.. Clark wasnt awarded 2 nearfall points that would have won him the match.. not to mention that the kid repeatedly ran to the out of bounds line and was never hit for fleeing or stalling..which was pretty much the sum of the finals match too..    It seemed to me that some of the refs were really good and a couple of them could use some practice..

so which ones were the better ones. and what is the big deal about the shirt not being tucked in kindof hard keep it in when you are sliding around on the mat and up and down all the time. Ive heard different stories about them Ive heard the woman was good and I also have heard  she wasn't

Overall i guess the women Is pretty good, but i've seen her make calls in the past that were absolutely terrible. But  she is still fine.

the semi final match between clark and frankrone definetly had some questionable calls at the end.. Clark wasnt awarded 2 nearfall points that would have won him the match.. not to mention that the kid repeatedly ran to the out of bounds line and was never hit for fleeing or stalling..which was pretty much the sum of the finals match too..    It seemed to me that some of the refs were really good and a couple of them could use some practice..

Mufasa, you sound pretty certain that Tyler Frankrone didn't honestly win the State Title! If you think he was running for out-of-bounds for his last 2 matches, your crazy! LOL! There was nothing questionable about either one of his last 2 wins! Watch the video and maybe recant your statement!

Man here we go again.

Every time we have a significant event everyone rips on the officials.

Hey everyone had the same official.  He made the same bad or good calls against everyone.  As I tell Jr.  If one call makes difference in a match then maybe you don't deserve the win. 

You think its bad when your in the stands and you think you see a bad call.  Try coaching in the corner of your son's match and see some calls you think are bad. 

In the corner you have the ability to question the official. Several times I have had to bite my tongue. 

I will have to agree with Ranger however on the middle school coaches.  The 2 years I spent with Jr. sitting in his corner and at middle school events I was embarrassed.  Not just from opposing coaches but our coach at times also.

Middle school coaches and parents are out of control.  I don't blame an official if he does not want to officiate middle school events. I know I wouldn't want to.  I would probably be the most hated ref out there.  Many coaches and parents would lose team points and be ejected.

Buckman at 131...he got 2nd but they said it was only his 2nd year wrestling.  The 150 Champ Smith also surprised me.  I was more surprised by the pick for MOW.

buckman wrestles 140 i got second at state for 131 and i am a second year wrestler what do you guys think about my state finals match

Who was he MOW at the tourney?

Tyler Frankrone-110lbs

Buckman at 131...he got 2nd but they said it was only his 2nd year wrestling.  The 150 Champ Smith also surprised me.  I was more surprised by the pick for MOW.

Surprised by the Mow pick?  Frankrone is a freakin 6th grader, and he wrestled his butt off, beating a kid in the finals that wrestled high school all yr, and did well I might add in the high school state finals.. I think he placed 4th.(talking about Rush)

Frankrone is also wrestling up a little, he could have wrestled at 103, but took one for his team and got the job done.

He beat my son, and I still think he deserves the MOW.

Good job  Tyler            keep up the hard work, you have the stuff to be a national champion, I have noudoubt.

now, for starters, i'll admit i've only just recently found this website (3 months ago) but i've noticed a huge trend. none of you have a clue!!!!! what i feel the biggest surprise or shocker was @ 131. everyone had cox, or henning, or metts picked to win and neither of these boys even made it to the finals. schoerer and matthews had what i would say was the match of the day, a rematch of district 3 regional finals. matthews was down 6-4 with 40 sec. left in the 3rd period. matthews won 11-9. there was only 1 match that was closer. not bad for two boys (schoerer is a 2nd year, matthews is a 3rd year) who weren't even considered to be contenders. it seems to me that most of you are here to promote your district and your district only. district 3 had more first year wrestlers qualify for the state tournament than any other district (five of which were from campbell county). granted, none of them placed in the top 4, but none of them went 2 and out either. it really shows that absolutely no real thought is put into most of the posts on this web page. and the worst part of all is that our children get on here and read these posts and take them as fact. no wonder we have kids that never reach their full wrestling potential. they work hard everyday in practice, do well in competition, then come on this page and everyone is still talking about the same, overrated wrestlers every week. i don't post on here much, but i'll admit, i don't know much about the wrestlers in other districts. i only see them if they happen to compete at the same meets we do. so, i feel my OPINION is a bit jaded. just the same as a lot of the posts i read, jaded OPINIONS!!!!! so, next time you post, please remember that our kids read the posts on this page.

now, for starters, i'll admit i've only just recently found this website (3 months ago) but i've noticed a huge trend. none of you have a clue!!!!! what i feel the biggest surprise or shocker was @ 131. everyone had cox, or henning, or metts picked to win and neither of these boys even made it to the finals. schoerer and matthews had what i would say was the match of the day, a rematch of district 3 regional finals. matthews was down 6-4 with 40 sec. left in the 3rd period. matthews won 11-9. there was only 1 match that was closer. not bad for two boys (schoerer is a 2nd year, matthews is a 3rd year) who weren't even considered to be contenders. it seems to me that most of you are here to promote your district and your district only. district 3 had more first year wrestlers qualify for the state tournament than any other district (five of which were from campbell county). granted, none of them placed in the top 4, but none of them went 2 and out either. it really shows that absolutely no real thought is put into most of the posts on this web page. and the worst part of all is that our children get on here and read these posts and take them as fact. no wonder we have kids that never reach their full wrestling potential. they work hard everyday in practice, do well in competition, then come on this page and everyone is still talking about the same, overrated wrestlers every week. i don't post on here much, but i'll admit, i don't know much about the wrestlers in other districts. i only see them if they happen to compete at the same meets we do. so, i feel my OPINION is a bit jaded. just the same as a lot of the posts i read, jaded OPINIONS!!!!! so, next time you post, please remember that our kids read the posts on this page.

superdave, if your kids arent reaching there full potential at wrestling because someone posted that another kid was really good , then you have bigger problems than stupid posts. it is the parents job to help a kid reach there full potential and to teach them to believe in themselves no matter what others may say about them or there opponent. if your child gets on here and falls to pieces because everyone is talking about how good other kids are then you may need to seek some counseling for your child and yourself.

now, for starters, i'll admit i've only just recently found this website (3 months ago) but i've noticed a huge trend. none of you have a clue!!!!! what i feel the biggest surprise or shocker was @ 131. everyone had cox, or henning, or metts picked to win and neither of these boys even made it to the finals. schoerer and matthews had what i would say was the match of the day, a rematch of district 3 regional finals. matthews was down 6-4 with 40 sec. left in the 3rd period. matthews won 11-9. there was only 1 match that was closer. not bad for two boys (schoerer is a 2nd year, matthews is a 3rd year) who weren't even considered to be contenders. it seems to me that most of you are here to promote your district and your district only. district 3 had more first year wrestlers qualify for the state tournament than any other district (five of which were from campbell county). granted, none of them placed in the top 4, but none of them went 2 and out either. it really shows that absolutely no real thought is put into most of the posts on this web page. and the worst part of all is that our children get on here and read these posts and take them as fact. no wonder we have kids that never reach their full wrestling potential. they work hard everyday in practice, do well in competition, then come on this page and everyone is still talking about the same, overrated wrestlers every week. i don't post on here much, but i'll admit, i don't know much about the wrestlers in other districts. i only see them if they happen to compete at the same meets we do. so, i feel my OPINION is a bit jaded. just the same as a lot of the posts i read, jaded OPINIONS!!!!! so, next time you post, please remember that our kids read the posts on this page.

Mr Kettle meet Mr. Black.

buckman wrestles 140 i got second at state for 131 and i am a second year wrestler what do you guys think about my state finals match

Dru-  Your match was awesome!  You were so close to reaching your goal.  You are a champion in my book and don't let one match let you think any different.  That match will only help you get better and give to a reason to want more.  You're a special kid and you have the tools to do all there is in wrestling.  I do have to apologize to you as your coach.  I should have been able to prepare you better for the last 30 seconds.  That is my fault.

I wish I had 14 more kids like you.  You are the hardest working kid I have ever seen.  Keep learning and surprising everyone.  Not bad for a 2nd year kid who dropped from 150 last year to 131 this year.  That is hard work, big man.

Coach Eschan 

My MOW is probably trae blackwell. He wrestled amazing at state and completely destroyed wrestlers who are very talented. The only time he even had a close match was in the championship vs Shirkey from east oldham. So thats just my opinion on the most outstanding wrestler

Hey I'll throw a couple of more in there:

Emerson at 82 which I thought was the most balanced weight class in the tournament. Not only won but won by pin, 9-2, 10-0 and 12-7 in finals against an opponent I didn't think he had a chance to beat. Brought it all that day at the right time.

103 - Justin Lampe rolled through to the finals where he defeated one of the best wrestlers this year in the state in Ian Kahl.

117 - Matt Fahy went about his business as he has every year winning all the way through against quality opponents.

Hvy - Crockett Cosby - Weight class not as stacked as in previous years but what more can a kid do - pin, pin. maj dec 14-0 and a pin in the finals. Talk about total domination of a weight class.

This is just a few examples in addition to the ones already listed.  All quality wrestlers and any of them were deserving of the MOW. This day just belonged to Frankrone and he was as deserving as anyone.

superdave, if your kids arent reaching there full potential at wrestling because someone posted that another kid was really good , then you have bigger problems than stupid posts. it is the parents job to help a kid reach there full potential and to teach them to believe in themselves no matter what others may say about them or there opponent. if your child gets on here and falls to pieces because everyone is talking about how good other kids are then you may need to seek some counseling for your child and yourself.

floridafan, as for reaching full potential, my son took first place. he also finished the season with an overall record of 36-4. his team took the school team championship (3rd overall) with 5 first year wrestlers. yet, i never once read a post on this page even mentioning anything about him or his team. when i said we have kids not reaching their full potential, i did not necessarily mean my son or any of the kids on his team. i meant in general. and i totally agree with parents teaching their kids to reach their full potential and to believe in themselves no matter what others say. but as an adult, i know that sometimes it does not matter how hard we try to teach these things. our children have minds of their own and don't always form the best opinions of themselves, or others, no matter what you try to teach them. especially at this age. believe it or not, our kids are influenced more by their friends and classmates' opinions than anything we could ever say or do. if enough people call a duck a swan, eventually it becomes harder for them not to believe it. and as for saying that my child and i may need counseling, you just proved my point about not having a clue. the whole attitude of "it's not my fault they feel that way" is so unbelievably narrow-minded it almost makes me chuckle. the point i was simply trying to make was to remind everyone posting here that not only other adults read this page. obviously, you did not get the point.

Mr Kettle meet Mr. Black.

wow, did that take you all day to come up with. another example of not getting the point.

wow, did that take you all day to come up with. another example of not getting the point.

Your failure to communicate properly reflects the flawed logic of your post. Talk about not getting the point.

Your failure to communicate properly reflects the flawed logic of your post. Talk about not getting the point.

mr. kettle meet mr. black? isn't the quote "the pot calling the kettle black"? not the kettle calling whatever black. failure to communicate? sounds to me like all you want to do is argue.

mr. kettle meet mr. black? isn't the quote "the pot calling the kettle black"? not the kettle calling whatever black. failure to communicate? sounds to me like all you want to do is argue.

Sorry but it seems that tiltfor3 was making reference to a saying that has been around for many years.  Obviously he didn't quote it exactly but I, and it seems you, know what he was talking about.  This use of using sayings actually happens a lot.  In fact it happened on March 10.  :-D

"floridafan, as for reaching full potential, my son took first place. he also finished the season with an overall record of 36-4. his team took the school team championship (3rd overall) with 5 first year wrestlers."

Actually Campbell took 4th overall...but what's the difference.

mr. kettle meet mr. black? isn't the quote "the pot calling the kettle black"? not the kettle calling whatever black. failure to communicate? sounds to me like all you want to do is argue.

How does this support your position of little johnny might not get mentioned on a website and fails to reach his potential? I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter.

Brown Chicken Brown Cow

"floridafan, as for reaching full potential, my son took first place. he also finished the season with an overall record of 36-4. his team took the school team championship (3rd overall) with 5 first year wrestlers."

Actually Campbell took 4th overall...but what's the difference.

pinandwin, did you mean to post that under "superdave" ?  the fact i mentioned another posters name must have thrown you off ( i see why you are worried about your son,genetics and all).  but it appears your son did just fine without getting alot of chatter on this forum,unlike his dad, that is if you are his real dad. you may consider a paternity test, GOO could be the father.

HEY NOW!!! How did I get pulled into this conversation? "Don't put that evil on me Ricky Bobby." :-o :x

GOO JR. is a handsome young lad.  Good thing he gets his looks from his mother.  :-D 8-)

As for what is said on here. Ya all know where I stand on this.  No holds bar.  We are on here to have fun.  If GOO Jr. can't handle what is being said about him on here, or any other Jr.  Then he needs to stop reading the forum.  I'm sure he had heard worse things from his friends, actually probably from me.

No swab testing for me.  8-)

HEY NOW!!! How did I get pulled into this conversation? "Don't put that evil on me Ricky Bobby." :-o :x

GOO JR. is a handsome young lad.  Good thing he gets his looks from his mother.  :-D 8-)

As for what is said on here. Ya all know where I stand on this.  No holds bar.  We are on here to have fun.  If GOO Jr. can't handle what is being said about him on here, or any other Jr.  Then he needs to stop reading the forum.  I'm sure he had heard worse things from his friends, actually probably from me.

No swab testing for me.  8-)

sorry for the accusation GOO, but you have been known to "GOO in" when you should of "GOO'd out". that is how GOO jr's are made ya know!

since you appear to be the florida fan.  Maybe you should have a swab test.  Y'know one of those nights out on the beach.  Waking up with the "Coyote Ugly".  :-D

After reading over this thread again I have a concern.

Why were there so many 1st and 2nd year wrestlers in this tourney? Or more importantly why were there so many successful 1st and 2nd year wrestlers? This would be my suprise.

Has middle school/ elementary school wrestling lost a step?  I'm pretty sure that there have not been this many 1st and 2nd year wrestlers being successful in the past.  Have we hit a rut or maybe some did not wrestle in the tourney.  I know that there were at least 2 who did not. Ervin and Fausz, but that was expected. 

Can anyone shed some light on this. 

I have no clue... I think it may be because some great wrestlers didn't make it because they are in regions stacked with talent, it also could be because some regions or less competitive, but fine with me to see new talent at the state tournament.

it also could be because some regions or less competitive

sorry...are less competitive

After reading over this thread again I have a concern.

Why were there so many 1st and 2nd year wrestlers in this tourney? Or more importantly why were there so many successful 1st and 2nd year wrestlers? This would be my suprise.

Has middle school/ elementary school wrestling lost a step?  I'm pretty sure that there have not been this many 1st and 2nd year wrestlers being successful in the past.  Have we hit a rut or maybe some did not wrestle in the tourney.  I know that there were at least 2 who did not. Ervin and Fausz, but that was expected. 

Can anyone shed some light on this. 

I think part of it had to do with the 3 week layover. You also have several kids like Wyatt Courtney (from Woodford) whom would have probably dominated in middle school -ended up wrestling  varsity all year.

After reading over this thread again I have a concern.

Why were there so many 1st and 2nd year wrestlers in this tourney? Or more importantly why were there so many successful 1st and 2nd year wrestlers? This would be my suprise.

Has middle school/ elementary school wrestling lost a step?  I'm pretty sure that there have not been this many 1st and 2nd year wrestlers being successful in the past.  Have we hit a rut or maybe some did not wrestle in the tourney.  I know that there were at least 2 who did not. Ervin and Fausz, but that was expected. 

Can anyone shed some light on this.

I think the fast rise of youth programs around the state has produced middle school wrestlers that are competing at a much higher rate for the varsity teams now.  So even though the level of wrestling at the middle school level continues to improve they are "losing" numbers because so many kids are moving on up at this point.  And an important point is that those kids are actually very successful at the varsity level.

Good point ranger

I think the fast rise of youth programs around the state has produced middle school wrestlers that are competing at a much higher rate for the varsity teams now.  So even though the level of wrestling at the middle school level continues to improve they are "losing" numbers because so many kids are moving on up at this point.  And an important point is that those kids are actually very successful at the varsity level.

You also have to look at how many state placers moved on to high school. That was a top notch group of wrestlers that were 8th graders and then you take Brock and Sean out and you aren't left with many returning state placers. I counted and there were at least 50 8th graders that placed last year. That only leaves 40 returning state placers. That could have a lot to do with it.

Why didn't those eight graders come back? I know plenty of people who wrestle middle and high school at the same time

I don't think High School Kids are allowed to wrestle in middle school tournaments! On the other hand, middle school kids can wrestle high school on certain teams and still wrestle in middle school tournaments.