...starts today...super intensity, ridin' time, ten weight classes, longer periods, twelve minute matches possible with overtime rules, Gophers, Cowboys and Cyclones, man I love the "real" wrestling of this sport. Can't wait til finals on Saturday nite, gonna have a cook-out and watch them on ESPN. (I know this is supposed to be under the College Forum but I wanted to make sure everyone was reminded).

Sorry guys, starts TOMORROW (I really knew that just thoght today was Thursday). Gettin way ahead of myself here!

Sorry guys' date=' starts TOMORROW (I really knew that just thoght today was Thursday). Gettin way ahead of myself here![/quote']

If any of it's on TV please post date, time, station.

Thanks

Finals on regular old ESPN Saturday nite at 7:30. ESPN is also having other coverages but they will broadcast them on their exotic stations. Check the wrestlingmall.com" for schedules.

Times on TV:

ESPNU - Quarterfinals are Friday at 10:00 a.m. live.

ESPNU - Semi Finals are at 6:30 p.m. on Friday night with the a reshowing of the quarterfinals right after the semis.

ESPN will carry the finals live as Happy Pappy said earlier.

Me and the fam will be over for your cookout Saturday night, Happy. Just wanted to invite you and your fam over on Friday night if you want to watch the semis. The coach with "THE VIEN" is going to be there and is bringing a power point projector and we intend to display the semi finals on the wall and get a movie theatre type atmostphere going. Should be good fun.

You coming over?

I'll sure try to make it.

some 1st rd. matches:

125Ott,Ill.(2nd last yr.) lost

165Nagel,Minn.( AA last yr.) lost

125Scott, Ok St.(8th Last yr.)lost

After the first day:

Plc Points Team CH CONS

1 36.5 Oklahoma St 6 2

2 24.5 Oklahoma 5 3

3 22.5 Edinboro 3 4

3 22.5 Hofstra 3 5

5 22.0 Michigan 4 2

5 22.0 Minnesota 4 4

5 22.0 Nebraska 3 4

8 21.5 Iowa 4 3

9 20.5 Penn State 2 5

10 19.5 Arizona State 4 1

11 19.0 Lehigh 3 5

12 16.5 Cal Poly 1 5

12 16.5 Northwestern 2 4

14 16.0 Central Michigan 3 2

15 15.0 West Virginia 1 5

15 15.0 Wisconsin 1 4

17 14.5 Northern Iowa - 5

17 14.5 Penn 1 3

19 14.0 Cornell 3 4

19 14.0 Illinois 2 5

21 13.5 Michigan State 2 2

22 12.5 Purdue 2 1

23 12.0 Iowa State 3 1

24 11.5 Missouri 2 4

25 10.5 Boise State 1 4

25 10.5 Tenn-Chattanooga 1 3

27 9.0 Navy 1 3

28 8.0 Northern Illinois 1 2

28 8.0 The Citadel 1 1

28 8.0 Wyoming - 4

31 7.5 UNC-Greensboro - 4

32 7.0 American 2 1

32 7.0 Kent State - 4

32 7.0 Oregon - 1

32 7.0 UC Davis 1 1

36 6.5 Indiana 1 3

36 6.5 Pittsburgh - 3

38 6.0 Army - 3

38 6.0 Harvard 1 3

40 5.0 Buffalo 1 1

40 5.0 Oregon State - 2

42 4.5 Cal State-Bakersfield - 2

43 4.0 Bloomsburg 1 1

43 4.0 Cal State-Fullerton - 1

43 4.0 Lock Haven - 1

43 4.0 Slippery Rock - 2

47 3.5 Cleveland State - 3

47 3.5 North Carolina - 3

49 3.0 Columbia - 2

49 3.0 Fresno State - 2

49 3.0 Virginia Tech 1 1

52 2.5 Duquesne - 1

52 2.5 Gardner-Webb - 2

54 2.0 Drexel - 1

54 2.0 Eastern Michigan - 1

54 2.0 North Carolina State - 1

54 2.0 Ohio State 1 -

54 2.0 Old Dominion - 1

54 2.0 Stanford - 1

60 1.0 Eastern Illinois - 1

60 1.0 Maryland - 1

60 1.0 Rider - 1

63 0.5 Sacred Heart - 1

64 Air Force - -

64 Brown - 1

64 George Mason - 1

64 James Madison - 1

64 Millersville - -

Semis tonite at 7:00

Quarters on right now

These have made the semi's

125-Dubuque vs. Hazewinkel

Simmons vs. Nickerson

133 Bunch vs. Fleeger

Valenti vs. Morgan

Fleeger won because Reiter illegally slammed.

Teyon Ware just hit a claw on Tsirtsis to his back to go up 5-0

semi's

141-3Cooperman(lehigh)vs.2Ware(Okla)

4Simmons(MSU)vs.1Gallick(ISU)

Semi's 149

3Esposito(OSU) vs. 2Eustice9Iowa)

1Schlatter(Minn) vs. 4Storniolo(Okla)

Quarters have had some really good matches.

N.Simmons looks great at 125.

Bunch at133 hits awesome ducks

A.Simmons beat J.Churella in OT close call on the line.

Schlatter won 8-0 over Tannenbaum 149.

Schlatter has won his first 3 by a score of 30-1.

9 seed Johnston(iowa) just upset 1seed Paulson 4-3

Semi's 157

9Johnston(Iowa) vs.5 Cherrington(Boise St.)

11Zinck (Lehigh) vs. 10Stith (Arizona St.)

The bigger Schlatter(C.P)lost last night, he was the 2 seed.

Johnston has beaten the #1 seed in the tourney the last 2 yrs. now.

11 seed Zinck(Lehigh) just beat 3 seed and former national runner up

A.Tirapelle(Ill.)

Semi's 165

1Churella vs.(US) Bracamonte(Oregon)

2Hendricks(OSU) vs. 3Abdurakmanov(American U.)

Semi's 174

1Askren(MU)vs.5Patrovich(Hofstra)

3Perry(Iowa)vs.2Herbert(NW)

Askren(2x runner up) is easily the most fun to watch. really funky.

Herbert is undefeated this yr. and pinned Perry in the Big Ten finals.

165-Nagel(Minn)just got put out of the tourney via defensive fall .

Not good for Minn. title hopes, go OSU!!

Semi's 184

1Glenn(American)vs.5Webster(Oregon)

2Kish(Minn.)vs. 6Friedl(Ill)

Glenn just stuck Bradley(PSU)who was #1 in the country just a few weeks ago.Really athletic and just a soph.

Semi's197

4Rosholt(OSU)vs.(US)Wiedman(Hofstra)

6Davis(PSU)vs.7Rinaldi(Cornell)

Rosholt is a 2x National Champ and 3rd placer.

Weidman beat 1 seed Michalak(CMU) last night.

Semi's Hwt.

2Mocco(OSU)vs.3Wagner(Michigan)

1Conrad(Minn)vs.4Velasquez(ASU)

Finals:

125

Dubuque vs. Nickerson

133

Fleeger vs. Valenti

Finals

141

Ware vs.Gallick

149

Schlatter vs. Eustice

Finals:

157

Cherrington vs. Stith

165

Hendricks vs. Churella

Finals

174

Askren vs. Herbert

184

Webster vs. Kish

197

Rosholt vs. Davis

Hwt.

Konrad vs. Mocco

Has this been televised anywhere ? Its really a damn shame ... i can't find it on any of my cable channels. While i like watching basketball as much as the next guy, this is just the first round man. You've got semis and finals coming up in wrestling. They should at least have it on something like CSTV (College Sports TV) ... i've seen women's lacrosse on there but not this anywhere.

Although they did air the Big 10 tourney a while back.

The finals were on ESPN at 7:30

Quarters,Semi's were on ESPNU

Finals on ESPN

Champs:

125-Dubuque-IU--2x champ

133-Valenti--Penn-new coach is olympic silver medalist Zeke Jones,could be a big reason he won.

141-Gallick-ISU-finally gets a title, beats a 2x champ to get it.

149-Schlatter-Minn-True Freshman,True Stud

157-Cherrington-BSU-first champ for Boise St. since '99

165-Hendricks-defending champ,won again, back next yr.

174-Askren-Mizzou- Tigers first champ ever.

184-Webster-Oregon-First champ for Oregon since the 30's

197-Rosholt-OSU-3x champ, 40th ever.

Hwt.-Konrad-Beat unbeatable Mocco all year, it just took 6OT's this time.

Oklahoma State were the National Champs over Minnesota.

Go Cowboys!!!

Though, I do belive Hendricks earned the championship, Churella got screw on those two last takedown calls.

I think if it was a different ref Hendrickz wouldn't have won.

I agree with what you guys are saying mostly.

Guys could be totally out of except for a toe in

and the ref's were letting the guys wrerstle.

This said, Hendricks had both feet or legs covered

on both TD's.

I like the out of bounds interpretation of you're not out till everything

is out. I saw this at the Big Ten's too.Just a tip toe need be in. I think this takes a lot of the judgement out of it for the ref.

The problem is sometimes high schools use middle school mats and that wouldn't allow for enough space.

I agree with the toes in give them the takedown if it's a clear one but if there is little to no control then they shouldn't get a takedown.

Another thing I saw in there was a lot of the guys fled the mat a lot but I guess they don't have fleeing the mat in college.

there is fleeing the mat in college.

there is also stalling and stalemates.

Instead of calling stalls all the time, if a ref was able he would call

stalemate. they let the guys on top ride the hips longer and work for a pinning combo. If you watched any of the nationals the bottom wasn't

always working super hard.The stall calls were good from what I saw.

It seems our refs in ky.have gotten stall happy lately.

agree, disagree?

Yeah they get stall happy rather than calling a stalemate and just bringing them back to the middle and telling them they need to agressively look for something rather than sitting back and waiting.

And it sure as heck didn't look like the NCAA enforced fleeing the mat at all, I mean they BLATENTLY ran straight for the line half the time.

Konrad is tough. Although, Mocco lost at the Big 10 championships.

IMHO I thought Churella had Hendricks pinned at end of the 2nd period with that cradle. I thought the ref just wouldn't slap the mat.

I'm know this will soud uneducated, but are the rules the same for college as with High school? I.E. Why didn't Askren or Davis have to wear a slicker cap. If it had been high school they would required them to wear one.

IMHO I thought Churella had Hendricks pinned at end of the 2nd period with that cradle. I thought the ref just wouldn't slap the mat.

I'm know this will soud uneducated' date=' but are the rules the same for college as with High school? I.E. Why didn't Askren or Davis have to wear a slicker cap. If it had been high school they would required them to wear one.[/quote']

The rules arn't the same really, a lot of the rules and regulations are changed around just a little bit, I'm pretty sure as long as the hair isn't "sharp" or have the ability to cut anybody they let it go.

I think it would do a lot of good to send our officials to some collegiate matches and let them see what goes on. I also would love to see properly officiated riding time in high school matches. Did anyone notice how the college officials let the wrestles fight on (and sometimes over) the lines. Makes for much more interesting matches as well as allowing the wrestles to utilize more strategy. What about Askrin (gotta love the hair) and the freshmen Schlatter and Nickerson (Schlatter is awesome). Konrad and Mocco sure battled it out. And what about Fleeger (Purdue) getting slammed on top of his noggin and continuing (not like he did in the 1/4's where he did not continue and his opponet was dq'd), these kids are just super tough and Kentucky kids need to take a lesson from them. I thought it was another great tournament and my hats off to ESPN for providing more coverage. A whole lot more excitement than that other little tournament that the NCAA has going on right now. :wink:

The major problem that we have here in Ky with the officiating stems from this....In Ohio, Indiana and Illinois in order to be a certafied official you must attend one state rules meeting and four district meeting each year to stay current on the rule changes. The only requirement here to stay khsaa certafied is to attend one state meeting each year. I have talked to Julian Tackett (khsaa) about this. His responce (and I can buy this) was that we are allready short of officials and if we make the requirements tuffer to keep your certafication then more guys will let their certafication lapse and we will be EVEN shorter..hmmmmm. not sure how I feel about that one. But I agree totally that the Churella and Hendricks match had two HORRIBLE calls and one questionable call.

refdad:

I agree there needs to be more training involved.

There is also a push for having an assigner (one who assigns referees fro events), for each region. I think region 4 and 5 may already have one. I'm not sure where I stand on this one. My question is this? In Nky we don't have that many events, Conner tourn, Dixie Val. tourney, Jamboree, NKAC, and some dual meets about fills out the whole season of events in NKY, (Sometimes a weekend quad will pop up for 1 year). What can these officials do then? Are they able to go to another region and work? How would they be added to that regions list of officials? (I know Tom Hardy goes to many out of region tourneys to officiate.

refdad:

I agree there needs to be more training involved.

There is also a push for having an assigner (one who assigns referees fro events)' date=' for each region. I think region 4 and 5 may already have one. I'm not sure where I stand on this one. My question is this? In Nky we don't have that many events, Conner tourn, Dixie Val. tourney, Jamboree, NKAC, and some dual meets about fills out the whole season of events in NKY, (Sometimes a weekend quad will pop up for 1 year). What can these officials do then? Are they able to go to another region and work? How would they be added to that regions list of officials? (I know Tom Hardy goes to many out of region tourneys to officiate.[/quote']

As someone who has officiated for a few years (some in regions 3, 4, & 5), here's how I think it works. With assigners you aren't "locked in" to a region. I just takes the burden off the coaches for finding officials and removes any bias in selecting officials for an event. Basically, the assigner gets the schedule of meets for his region, arranges for officials to be there, and lets the coaches know who his officals are. This way he can give the new guys a chance to get their feet wet with more experienced guys. When the assigner calls you (as an official), if you have already planned to be somewhere else, it's no big deal. He will just call someone else. So, it is essentially just moving the responsibility from the coaches and avoids coaches always using their "favorites".

I know a lot of people won't like my opinion on this, but I like the Kentucky refs being harder on stalling.....and I think it will help our wrestlers in the long run. We used to get slapped for stalling over in Ohio when I was in h.s. all the time. I think our refs used to be too relaxed on stalling, they may be a little overboard now, but I'd rather have the refs be a little more aggressive on stalling calls then letting kids get away with it for 6 minutes.

On a side note, the NCAA's were awesome, and those guys were relentless on top. Happy Pappy - thanks for posting info on here about it...i would have missed it otherwise.

I agreee 100% Pioneer.

I love to see stalling called without hesitation. The one thing I do want however is that they call it the same at the beginning of the match and at the end of the match.

I have seen many officials calling stalling the last 30 seconds of a match that they didn't call the first 4 minutes of the match.

I also saw the opposite at the state tourney this year. One official would call a quick stalling call the first 30-1 minute of a match and not call the same type of stalling at the end of the match.

I like stalling calls as long as they are consistant throughout the match.

Before we get too much ahead of ourselves, the college officials did call a lot of stalling calls both Friday night and Saturday. I think obviously riding time enters the fray here as to when they call stalling and when they do not. Most of the time, the college officials will call the stalemate (top and bottom) when nothing is happening as far as turning of the opponent (top) or effort to reverse or escape (bottom) and they usually don't mickey-mouse around with it. Lets face it, the burden is on both men with the bottom man suffering the most for lack of effort or just inability to escape or reverse. Riding time does put a new equation into the match by allowing more strategy IMHO.

grapplinfan, i agree also. it would be nice if it was called more consistently throughout the match, and i agree with you that it was inconsistent down state. i think the refs have somewhat of a conscience in this in that they don't want a stalling call - their judgement call - to decide the match...but they want to make sure there's action going on in the match.

having said that, i'd say this was the BEST year i've seen as far as quality of officiating at state in Kentucky (out of probably 10-15 state tourneys). i'm glad i'm up in the stands watching and critiquing instead of having my butt on the mat getting booed! ;-) it's a very thankless & tough job.