ok...what wrestlers who won state titles in the past would you like to see wrestle this year's champs? only match wrestlers who won titles in the same weight class and give a prediction.

example:

103: Garth Yenter- Campbell County (2011) vs. Luke Metzker- Henry Clay(2000). Not such a close match. I originally thought it would be, but I think Metzker's size, and the fact that he won 103 when it was still full of upper classmen would give him the edge. 10-4.

112: Brock Ervin- Union County (2011) vs. Jason Davioux- Scott (2000). Davioux, at the time, was considered one of the most technical in the state and was very slick. He was a Jr. this season and was very very good. I think Brock may be one of the best in KY in the last several years. Definitely the best freshman. I think this is an OT match, going either way. But I have to make a pick... 8-6 Ervin in OT.

etc...

so what do you all think?

119: Ruschell vs. Ruschell 2005. With Ruschell in an overtime ride out.

119: Ruschell vs. Ruschell 2005. With Ruschell in an overtime ride out.

I'd have to give the nod to ruschell on this too

125-John Fahy-Trinity vs. 126-Joe Carr-Woodford-1995 Really good match, Close one too - Carr 6-4

130-Jayce Carr-Union vs. 130-Brandon Wilkens-Campbell-1994 - Wilkens 8-4

135-Kevin Cooper-Simon Kenton vs. Brad Cooper-Simon Kenton-2003 - Cooper

140-Zach Salyer-Johnson Central vs. Brian Selke-Trinity-1991 - Selke 8-2

145-Joe Whalen-Henry Clay vs. Chris Hagen-Campbell-1992 - Hagen pin

152-Caleb Ervin-Union vs. Don Blevins-Fern Creek-1994 - Ervin 8-6

160-John Lampe-St.X vs. Willie Ennels-Hopkinsville-1992 - Ennels 8-4

171-JJ Jude-Johnson Central vs. Tendai Charasika-St.X-1996 - Tendai 8-4

189-Thomas Buckman-Union vs. Miguel Merritt-Hopkinsville-1996 - Meguel pin

215-Kyle Durbin-Eastern vs. Livingston Merritt-Hopkinsville-1996 - Livingston pin

Hwt-Aaron House-North Hardin vs. Frank Wolnitzek-Covington Holmes-1993 - Frank pin

125-John Fahy-Trinity vs. 126-Joe Carr-Woodford-1995 Really good match, Close one too - Carr 6-4

130-Jayce Carr-Union vs. 130-Brandon Wilkens-Campbell-1994 - Wilkens 8-4

135-Kevin Cooper-Simon Kenton vs. Brad Cooper-Simon Kenton-2003 - Cooper

140-Zach Salyer-Johnson Central vs. Brian Selke-Trinity-1991 - Selke 8-2

145-Joe Whalen-Henry Clay vs. Chris Hagen-Campbell-1992 - Hagen pin

152-Caleb Ervin-Union vs. Don Blevins-Fern Creek-1994 - Ervin 8-6

160-John Lampe-St.X vs. Willie Ennels-Hopkinsville-1992 - Ennels 8-4

171-JJ Jude-Johnson Central vs. Tendai Charasika-St.X-1996 - Tendai 8-4

189-Thomas Buckman-Union vs. Miguel Merritt-Hopkinsville-1996 - Meguel pin

215-Kyle Durbin-Eastern vs. Livingston Merritt-Hopkinsville-1996 - Livingston pin

Hwt-Aaron House-North Hardin vs. Frank Wolnitzek-Covington Holmes-1993 - Frank pin

The 171 match would be a great one. From what I have heard about Charasika, he was an amazing athlete and was super strong. Most of the guys you mentioned were before my time though, except for Brad Cooper.

The 171 match would be a great one. From what I have heard about Charasika, he was an amazing athlete and was super strong. Most of the guys you mentioned were before my time though, except for Brad Cooper.

No isaac Knable?

Edit: That was meant for byrd dog

No isaac Knable?

I havent made my list yet. It may include him.

112-myron bradbury trinity 2009 vs brock ervin 2011

brad cooper would make kevin cry..

103- Yenter vs Chris Valentine (Woodford) Valentine was huge for a 103.

112- Ervin vs Dan Carman (Henry Clay)

119- Ruschell vs Jason Talbot (Oldham Co.)

125- Fahy vs Joe Carr (Woodford Co.) I'd like to see Fahy deal with the length Joe Jr. had.

130- Carr vs Brandon Wilkins (Campbell Co.)

135- Cooper vs Brad Cooper (SK) Just because I'd like to see Brad make Kevin cry.

140- Salyer vs Paul Kaiser (SK) Since Zach beat an SK guy I thougth it would be nice to match him with another.

145- Whalen vs Isacc Knable (St. X)

152- Ervin vs Ian Horn (Woodford Co.)

160- Lampe (St. X) vs Jacob Holbrook (Campbell Co.)Holbrook was only scored on twice the whole year.

171- Jude vs Charasika (St. X) Tendai was a monster

189- Buckman vs Miguel Merritt (Hoptown) Miguel made good wrestlers look awful

215- Durbin vs Livingston Merritt (Hoptown) Merritt's legs were bigger than Durbin's body.

285- House vs Mike Ramsey (Campbell County)Keep with the North Hardin vs CC match up.

No isaac Knable?

Edit: That was meant for byrd dog

went "Old School"

125-John Fahy-Trinity vs. 126-Joe Carr-Woodford-1995 Really good match, Close one too - Carr 6-4

130-Jayce Carr-Union vs. 130-Brandon Wilkens-Campbell-1994 - Wilkens 8-4

135-Kevin Cooper-Simon Kenton vs. Brad Cooper-Simon Kenton-2003 - Cooper

140-Zach Salyer-Johnson Central vs. Brian Selke-Trinity-1991 - Selke 8-2

145-Joe Whalen-Henry Clay vs. Chris Hagen-Campbell-1992 - Hagen pin

152-Caleb Ervin-Union vs. Don Blevins-Fern Creek-1994 - Ervin 8-6

160-John Lampe-St.X vs. Willie Ennels-Hopkinsville-1992 - Ennels 8-4

171-JJ Jude-Johnson Central vs. Tendai Charasika-St.X-1996 - Tendai 8-4

189-Thomas Buckman-Union vs. Miguel Merritt-Hopkinsville-1996 - Meguel pin

215-Kyle Durbin-Eastern vs. Livingston Merritt-Hopkinsville-1996 - Livingston pin

Hwt-Aaron House-North Hardin vs. Frank Wolnitzek-Covington Holmes-1993 - Frank pin

103-Garth Yenter-Campbell vs. Tom Storms-Simon Kenton-1991

112-Brock Ervin-Union vs. David Richie-Caldwell-1985

119-TJ Ruschell-Ryle vs. James Smith-Union-1983

This could be a little unfair for this yrs winners because my guys won state more than once

103-Storms-2X 103,119 & Runner-up in 1992 at 130, got a bad call for stalling in OT

112-Richie-3X 105,112,112

119-Smith- 2X 112,119 - Runner-up 80,81, 4x state finalist

125-Carr-3X 103,126,140 & Runner-up 94, 4x finalist

130-Wilkens-2X 130,130

135-Cooper-3X 119,130,135

140-Selke-2X 135,140

145-Hagen-2X 145,145

152-Blevins-2X 152,152

160-Ennels-3X 135,152,160 & Runner-up at 152, 4X Finalist

171-Tendai-3X 160,172,171

189-Miguel-2X 185,189

215-Livingston-3X 215,215,Hwt

Hwt-Frank-2X-Hwt,Hwt

103-Garth Yenter-Campbell vs. Tom Storms-Simon Kenton-1991

112-Brock Ervin-Union vs. David Richie-Caldwell-1985

119-TJ Ruschell-Ryle vs. James Smith-Union-1983

This could be a little unfair for this yrs winners because my guys won state more than once

103-Storms-2X 103,119 & Runner-up in 1992 at 130, got a bad call for stalling in OT

112-Richie-3X 105,112,112

119-Smith- 2X 112,119 - Runner-up 80,81, 4x state finalist

125-Carr-3X 103,126,140 & Runner-up 94, 4x finalist

130-Wilkens-2X 130,130

135-Cooper-3X 119,130,135

140-Selke-2X 135,140

145-Hagen-2X 145,145

152-Blevins-2X 152,152

160-Ennels-3X 135,152,160 & Runner-up at 152, 4X Finalist

171-Tendai-3X 160,172,171

189-Miguel-2X 185,189

215-Livingston-3X 215,215,Hwt

Hwt-Frank-2X-Hwt,Hwt

As someone who has been on the mat with both guys, I give the edge to Yenter at 103. Storms was strong, but not as technically sound as Yenter is at this point. And don't start with the stalling call.

Watch out Ranger you will start to show your age! I haven't wrestled Yenter but Storms was strong, but I must defer to the elder on this one.

103-Garth Yenter-Campbell vs. Tom Storms-Simon Kenton-1991

112-Brock Ervin-Union vs. David Richie-Caldwell-1985

119-TJ Ruschell-Ryle vs. James Smith-Union-1983

This could be a little unfair for this yrs winners because my guys won state more than once

103-Storms-2X 103,119 & Runner-up in 1992 at 130, got a bad call for stalling in OT

112-Richie-3X 105,112,112

119-Smith- 2X 112,119 - Runner-up 80,81, 4x state finalist

125-Carr-3X 103,126,140 & Runner-up 94, 4x finalist

130-Wilkens-2X 130,130

135-Cooper-3X 119,130,135

140-Selke-2X 135,140

145-Hagen-2X 145,145

152-Blevins-2X 152,152

160-Ennels-3X 135,152,160 & Runner-up at 152, 4X Finalist

171-Tendai-3X 160,172,171

189-Miguel-2X 185,189

215-Livingston-3X 215,215,Hwt

Hwt-Frank-2X-Hwt,Hwt

So who wins your match ups at 103, 112, and 119?

103-Garth Yenter-Campbell vs. Tom Storms-Simon Kenton-1991

112-Brock Ervin-Union vs. David Richie-Caldwell-1985

119-TJ Ruschell-Ryle vs. James Smith-Union-1983

This could be a little unfair for this yrs winners because my guys won state more than once

103-Storms-2X 103,119 & Runner-up in 1992 at 130, got a bad call for stalling in OT

112-Richie-3X 105,112,112

119-Smith- 2X 112,119 - Runner-up 80,81, 4x state finalist

125-Carr-3X 103,126,140 & Runner-up 94, 4x finalist

130-Wilkens-2X 130,130

135-Cooper-3X 119,130,135

140-Selke-2X 135,140

145-Hagen-2X 145,145

152-Blevins-2X 152,152

160-Ennels-3X 135,152,160 & Runner-up at 152, 4X Finalist

171-Tendai-3X 160,172,171

189-Miguel-2X 185,189

215-Livingston-3X 215,215,Hwt

Hwt-Frank-2X-Hwt,Hwt

Man I thought some of you would have caught this and be letting me have it.

125-Carr-4X 103,126,140,145 & Runner-up 95, 5X Finalist

Don't see how I messed that one up.

So who wins your match ups at 103, 112, and 119?

103-Storms-7-4

112-Ervin-3-1

119-Smith-8-6

Me either, Carr was runnerup in 94. Come on ByrdDog!

As Ranger said Yenter is too much of a technician for Storms

And no way Ervin beats Ritchie. Ritchie would make him beg for mercy.

As Ranger said Yenter is too much of a technician for Storms

And no way Ervin beats Ritchie. Ritchie would make him beg for mercy.

I dont know Ritchie, but in my 12 years at the state tourney I have yet to see a better 112 than Ervin.

I dont know Ritchie, but in my 12 years at the state tourney I have yet to see a better 112 than Ervin.

Dave Ritchie was absolutely amazing. By Ervin's senior year who knows he actually probably will be better, but I watched Dave Ritchie wrestle his senior year and he made kids blow snot bubbles at state. I believe he pinned a defending state champ in the finals??

GOO & Ranger - don't bet against Storms. Tommy not only dominated in state, he always found a way to draw the toughest kid in the tournament and managed to beat most of them when SK wrestled a very tough out of state schedule. Storms was at most a 125 pounder his sr year, and wrestled up to make the team stronger. He could have dropped to 119. I seen him weigh 128 the monday following districts fully clothed drinking water. 130 was too big for him, and it still was a stalling call in OT that took down the champ.

Dave Ritchie was absolutely amazing. By Ervin's senior year who knows he actually probably will be better, but I watched Dave Ritchie wrestle his senior year and he made kids blow snot bubbles at state. I believe he pinned a defending state champ in the finals??

GOO & Ranger - don't bet against Storms. Tommy not only dominated in state, he always found a way to draw the toughest kid in the tournament and managed to beat most of them when SK wrestled a very tough out of state schedule. Storms was at most a 125 pounder his sr year, and wrestled up to make the team stronger. He could have dropped to 119. I seen him weigh 128 the monday following districts fully clothed drinking water. 130 was too big for him, and it still was a stalling call in OT that took down the champ.

I figured this discussion would wake up old pioneer. I agree you absolutely hate to see a state finals match decided by a stall call, but as so many of us say, beat the kid to the point the official can't decide the match. And my opinion on the Storms-Yenter matchup is looking at 103. That year I don't think Storms was as good a wrestler as Yenter; he relied a lot more on strength than later in his career.

OK here is one for some of you older guys.

Caleb Ervin 2011 Vs Jared Trice (Hop-town)1989.

I'm not sure who wins this one. A battle for the ages.

OK here is one for some of you older guys.

Caleb Ervin 2011 Vs Jared Trice (Hop-town)1989.

I'm not sure who wins this one. A battle for the ages.

Yes, a battle for the ages. But that is asking a lot of Caleb. Trice is like Paul Bunyan or something, his stories are larger than life.

Some Clever Ones that Crossed My Mind Gonna Use Some Recent Champions

103- Yenter Vs. Jarvis Elam

112- Ervin Vs. Travis Sullivan

125- Fahy Vs. Michael Osbourne

145- Whalen Vs. Dusty Brown

171- Jude Vs. Mason Reid

Me either, Carr was runnerup in 94. Come on ByrdDog!

yea yea, I know I was there....How about you? lol

Some Clever Ones that Crossed My Mind Gonna Use Some Recent Champions

103- Yenter Vs. Jarvis Elam

112- Ervin Vs. Travis Sullivan

125- Fahy Vs. Michael Osbourne

145- Whalen Vs. Dusty Brown

171- Jude Vs. Mason Reid

No offense to any of these guys they are all state champs and damn good ones.

Jarvis over Garth. No back points all on their feet.

Sullivan over Ervin only because he was a grown man. Not nearly as good a wrestler technically.

Osbourne vs. Fahy. great match i don't know if they ever wrestled one another over the years.

Reid as well as Hitchings would have their way with Jude. Strong and technically superior.

jmo.

No offense to any of these guys they are all state champs and damn good ones.

Jarvis over Garth. No back points all on their feet.

Sullivan over Ervin only because he was a grown man. Not nearly as good a wrestler technically.

Osbourne vs. Fahy. great match i don't know if they ever wrestled one another over the years.

Reid as well as Hitchings would have their way with Jude. Strong and technically superior.

jmo.

I think Yenter and Elam would be a very close match. Elam is probably superior physically, however. Could go either way.

I dont think Sullivan could handle Ervin. Ervin is WAY too good technically and is no slouch in the athletic department.

Osbourne and Fahy would be a good match, but I have to go with Fahy.

Reid and Hitchings are both great wrestlers and probably more technical than Jude. However, Jude, physically, is very hard to match. I cant think of many who are on his level. I think it would be very interesting between these 3.

Some Clever Ones that Crossed My Mind Gonna Use Some Recent Champions

103- Yenter Vs. Jarvis Elam

112- Ervin Vs. Travis Sullivan

125- Fahy Vs. Michael Osbourne

145- Whalen Vs. Dusty Brown

171- Jude Vs. Mason Reid

Interesting that more people seem to be responding to these matchups, which are all pretty good. I go with:

Yenter over Elam - I agree, a lot of takedown action in this one

Ervin over Sullivan - Ervin too good technically and will not get muscled or thrown by Sullivan

Scoreless tie between Fahy and Osbourne - I say just start the clock and let them wrestle until someone wins (Dennis Hall)

Brown over Whalen - Whalen wrestled well enough to win at state and not up to the level I have seen in the past, based on this I give the edge to Brown who was a gamer and would find a way to win a big match

I go with Reid (big time) and Hitchings over Jude - Jude relied too much on strength this year, wouldn't work against these two

Interesting that more people seem to be responding to these matchups, which are all pretty good. I go with:

Yenter over Elam - I agree, a lot of takedown action in this one

Ervin over Sullivan - Ervin too good technically and will not get muscled or thrown by Sullivan

Scoreless tie between Fahy and Osbourne - I say just start the clock and let them wrestle until someone wins (Dennis Hall)

Brown over Whalen - Whalen wrestled well enough to win at state and not up to the level I have seen in the past, based on this I give the edge to Brown who was a gamer and would find a way to win a big match

I go with Reid (big time) and Hitchings over Jude - Jude relied too much on strength this year, wouldn't work against these two

Honestly I see Fahy beating Osbourne handily. Not to say that Osbourne wasn't good but Fahy is next year's Ervin.

Whalen could have wrestled better in his finals match, he didn't take an offensive shot but still won by four. He majored Lonkard in the semis and controlled the match against Proctor, who stuck Caddell. Proctor is just difficult to wrestle against with his style. I'd take Whalen by four points over Brown.

jude may be hard to match physically but is he athletic enought to do a standing back flip and land on his feet?? mason reid was a freak..

I am sure if Jude wanted to do a standing back flip he could do it, with some practice. The real question is could Reid rush for 3200 yards in a single football season and set the state record for single game rushing total?

jude may be hard to match physically but is he athletic enought to do a standing back flip and land on his feet?? mason reid was a freak..

Everything I heard about Reid tells me he was pretty darn strong as well.

I am sure if Jude wanted to do a standing back flip he could do it, with some practice. The real question is could Reid rush for 3200 yards in a single football season and set the state record for single game rushing total?

#1 What do either of these (Backflip or rushing)have to do with wresting?

#2 Maybe he could if his coach was determined for him to break the record therfore giving him the ball more than the normal amount of times,and he had a team to support him, with a schedule that would also alow this. (Remember Ryle played this year Cov Cath, Newport Cath, Highlands twice during regular season, and Trinity in the playoffs)

#1 What do either of these (Backflip or rushing)have to do with wresting?

#2 Maybe he could if his coach was determined for him to break the record therfore giving him the ball more than the normal amount of times,and he had a team to support him, with a schedule that would also alow this. (Remember Ryle played this year Cov Cath, Newport Cath, Highlands twice during regular season, and Trinity in the playoffs)

#1 neither have anything to with wrestling. I am sure we both were just having some fun with those comments.

#2 Jude did not carry the ball more than normal. He is the #1 back on the team and got 20-30 carries a game. Thats not abnormal. Also, Johnson Central played CovCath and Highlands, and Jude rushed for over 400 yards against CovCath and just over 100 yards against Highlands.

This post is starting to get off the wall. lets just worry about wrestling, none of this extra curricular stuff that has no meaning towards the sport of wrestling.

anthony bailey ft. knox vs. aaron house

This post is starting to get off the wall. lets just worry about wrestling, none of this extra curricular stuff that has no meaning towards the sport of wrestling.

agreed.

but as for wrestling I think Jude isnt getting a fair shake in these discussions. At this point in their careers (junior seasons), Jude has done better than Reid. So why couldnt he hang with him?

anthony bailey ft. knox vs. aaron house

I think this would be a very good match up. Similar styles. HWTs that can move.

I know JJ very well and I can PROMISE you JJ is more than athletic enough to do anything Reid or Hitchings can or could do including wrestle!!

Off topic or not!!

Just a little poke there Pride

Anthony Bailey would beat House by pin i say. Bailey was to athletic for House. But hey... Its my opinion

Bailey was one of the best moving Hwt's I've seen in awhile.

Maybe House can move but he didn't show it. I watched his last two matches and he didn't move very much at all.

I love watching the big boys. But they have to move. Most of the great Hwt's were able to move and did so in every match.

I vote for Bailey Pin in the 2nd period.

At this point in their career?

Are you talking about grade or age?

If you are talking about age then you would have to use Reid's senior year. I'm not sure that Reid would beat Jude, but I believe that Reid was a better wrestler. However he may not have been able to handle Jude's roughness.

I think JJ might not be getting any love because of his antics and attitude.

As opposed to Mason Reids attitude

I know JJ very well and I can PROMISE you JJ is more than athletic enough to do anything Reid or Hitchings can or could do including wrestle!!

Off topic or not!!

Just a little poke there Pride

I can take a good nudge every now and then. Let's throw Jayce out there against some of the past 130's. Recent ones (Johnson, Perez). I came into the game in 04. not much wrestling history for me. Need help from GOO, rider, and byrd dog.

I can take a good nudge every now and then. Let's throw Jayce out there against some of the past 130's. Recent ones (Johnson, Perez). I came into the game in 04. not much wrestling history for me. Need help from GOO, rider, and byrd dog.

Okay, just to get the SK crowd and pioneer (not sure where his allegiance lies) fired up...

Roy Gibbs over Carr, and he wins on a takedown in the third (Carr is hit for stalling just before the takedown )

and I go with Bailey all the way. He was impressive, especially in the finals against my man.

I think i meant to put Palmer, and Ozman Parker at 130. I forget names haha.

Okay, just to get the SK crowd and pioneer (not sure where his allegiance lies) fired up...

Roy Gibbs over Carr, and he wins on a takedown in the third (Carr is hit for stalling just before the takedown )

Ranger - i can normally see things your way, but on this post I wasn't able to stick my head as far up my....nevermind. ;-) If you would take Yenter over Storms because of technique, then how could you take Gibbs over Carr. I'm starting to see a trend here homer!

As far as Jude over Reid or Hitchings, I think both Reid & Hitchings made their claim by placing at the Beast of the East. I know Jude has placed high at a few good nationals, like Freshman, but not sure where else. Has he been to anything comparable to the beast that has all classes (9-12)?

Ranger - i can normally see things your way, but on this post I wasn't able to stick my head as far up my....nevermind. ;-) If you would take Yenter over Storms because of technique, then how could you take Gibbs over Carr. I'm starting to see a trend here homer!

As far as Jude over Reid or Hitchings, I think both Reid & Hitchings made their claim by placing at the Beast of the East. I know Jude has placed high at a few good nationals, like Freshman, but not sure where else. Has he been to anything comparable to the beast that has all classes (9-12)?

2 comments on Gibbs. First, he was a 4x placer who had less muscle then our favorite assistant coach has hair. He won on some pretty good technique and a lot of heart. Second, he won the title in a pretty good weight that year that included Storms, Pat White, and Brandon Wilkens to name a few.

I can take a good nudge every now and then. Let's throw Jayce out there against some of the past 130's. Recent ones (Johnson, Perez). I came into the game in 04. not much wrestling history for me. Need help from GOO, rider, and byrd dog.

I think Jayce would beat Perez and Parker. He could hang with Johnson (Johnson just always impressed me. When he was on he was ON). Palmer and Jayce would be a toss up, leaning towards Jayce. I know Jayce very well, probably as well as ol' Buckeye knows JJ.

And as far as the age vs. grade debate for Reid and Jude: By the start of their senior seasons, Jude has more impressive credentials. 4th(8th grade year), 3rd, 3rd, State Champ.

Nothing like Beast but he did beat a kid that placed 4th at 2009 Beast, at Sophomore nationals for what it's worth.

OK here are a few for Jayce Carr

Since Jayce started as a NKY boy in Middle school I'll stick with the NKY champs

83 Tom Cole (132)

93,94 Wilkins

98,99 Dylan Bell

02 Brad Cooper (2nd of 3)

03 Fassbender

2010 Palmer

And a couple of Union Boys

84 Jarrad Rudd (132)

85 Danny Levell (132)

09 Caleb Ervin (1st of 3)

I would like to think Jayce could whip all of them.

But in all seriousness, in the case of all of this years champions, wrestling here has grown considerably over the last decade. And all of our top kids are now more equipped to compete nationally which leads me to believe that they would do pretty well against champs of the past. In some cases these past champs are part of the reason for this.

I would like to think Jayce could whip all of them.

But in all seriousness, in the case of all of this years champions, wrestling here has grown considerably over the last decade. And all of our top kids are now more equipped to compete nationally which leads me to believe that they would do pretty well against champs of the past. In some cases these past champs are part of the reason for this.

I feel that overall the state is deeper and some of the top kids have more national exposure. However, I think the champs of today are only a little better on average than the champs of the past, if any at all. I think the growth of KY wrestling can be seen in the competitiveness and depth of a weight class, not necessarily the champions. I think every year would see a near even split between past champs and today's champs.

What about this match up?

135 Kevin Cooper (Simon Kenton) 2011 vs. Dave Barnes (Simon Kenton) 1988

What about this match up?

135 Kevin Cooper (Simon Kenton) 2011 vs. Dave Barnes (Simon Kenton) 1988

Barnes would destroy him. Now Cooper's senior year maybe a different story. Maybe a better question, and a fair one in this thread because they are brothers... Brad Cooper (SK) 2003 vs. Dave Barnes (SK) 1988?

How about Kevin Cooper vs. Jacob Murton?

How about Kevin Cooper vs. Jacob Murton?

Murton. Next question. haha

What about this match up?

135 Kevin Cooper (Simon Kenton) 2011 vs. Dave Barnes (Simon Kenton) 1988

If I remember correctly, Dave gave up 2 2 point moves in 1988. A reversal to a D1 Ohio state runner-up (who he defeated). And a reversal or takedown in the 3rd period in the state finals. It might have been an escape in the state finals. All his other matches were either goose eggs or he gave them escapes. Kevin would get merked by Dave. (all due respect). Brad and Dave would have been a good match in my opinion, Brad was quicker and probably better technique, but Dave was probably a lot stronger.

Ranger - my perception of Gibbs may be distorted by the fact that Tommy was a smaller 130 lber and probably a true 119 lber, wrestling up at 130. So I had the impression Gibbs was a pretty solid 130 lber. Maybe he wasn't...i could be wrong there. I actually discussed this the other day with one of Storms team mates and he said Tommy was considering cutting to 112 for nationals that year.

If I remember correctly, Dave gave up 2 2 point moves in 1988. A reversal to a D1 Ohio state runner-up (who he defeated). And a reversal or takedown in the 3rd period in the state finals. It might have been an escape in the state finals. All his other matches were either goose eggs or he gave them escapes. Kevin would get merked by Dave. (all due respect). Brad and Dave would have been a good match in my opinion, Brad was quicker and probably better technique, but Dave was probably a lot stronger.

Ranger - my perception of Gibbs may be distorted by the fact that Tommy was a smaller 130 lber and probably a true 119 lber, wrestling up at 130. So I had the impression Gibbs was a pretty solid 130 lber. Maybe he wasn't...i could be wrong there. I actually discussed this the other day with one of Storms team mates and he said Tommy was considering cutting to 112 for nationals that year.

If it gives you any context I was Gibbs' practice partner every day (and I was our 112) and I would say I had a strength advantage on him. I think that just goes to show how tough those 2 guys were that they didn't have to cut a ton of weight (or any back in the day when we REALLY cut down) and still ended up at the top of the podium.

here some more interesting match ups

135- kevin cooper vs luke metzker 2002

140- zach salyers vs scott cooper 2003

145- joe whalen vs steve lovwell 2003i think thats the spelling..

152- caleb ervin vs craig cooper 2002

160- john lampe vs nick fiser 2003

171- jj jude vs eric slugantz 2002

189- thomas buckman vs ben vessels 2002

Here are a couple:

160 Lampe VS. Ian Horn (Woodford 98')

171 Jude VS. William Randle (Eastern 99')

Horn attacked constantly like Lampe and was very similar in size. I think Horn's technique was a little beyond Lampe's. Randle was a physical freak and would have been a 2 timer if he hadn't met up with Horn in the finals in 98'. Jude/Randle would be a great match...any predictions out there from someone else that has seen these two wrestle?

Metzker over Kevin Cooper by 3

Salyers vs Scott Cooper- toss-up

Whalen over Steve Lovewell by 3

Ervin over Craig Cooper by maj dec

Lampe over Fiser by maj dec

Slugantz over Jude in a tight match

Vessels over Buckman by 3 (Vessels was actually wrestling up at 189 since he lost to Slugantz in the finals the year before at 171)

Horn over Lampe by 5

Randle over Jude in a tight match

152- caleb ervin vs mitch ervin 2007

160- john lampe vs johnny wolseifer 2007

Throw in my roommates father into the discussion:

112- Paul Burgess (Union) vs. Brock Ervin (Union)

Or my other roommates dad:

160- Robbie Wedding (Union) vs. John Lampe (St. X)

or

160- Mitch Ervin (Union) vs. Lampe