OK, here is an update. I'm only posting the top 8 as that is all I have scoring team points right now. Understand that before you scream about the team rankings. Teams like Campbell County (and I'm a Campbell County fan) aren't scoring big because I don't see a lot of guys placing right now. But I'm sure they will come through and score enough to be a top 20 team in the end.

103

Un Co Aaron Carr 10

Sen Elliott Martin 11

Tri Dan Smith 11

JC Zach Salyers 8 / JJ Jude 7

FC Josh Burkett 11

Lar Co Joey Henderson 9

Ryle Austin Palmer 9

SO Brandon Whitehouse 9

112

Way Co Travis Sullivan 11

Wood Co Shane Parks 11

Un Co Adam Carr 12

PD Jon Voth 11

Bull Cen James Badgett 11

NO Andre Zeppa 11

Lar Co Tritsten Hines 10

Con TJ Bates 9

119

FC Caleb Wood 12

Un Co Isaac Ervin 10

Eas Joaquin Luna 10

NH Josh Johnson 9

Way Co Coty Vinsant 11

JC Cory Spencer 11

HC Cliff Cornett 12

Mon Co Ross Carpenter-Fraser 11

125

PD Tyler Voth 12

Wood Co Coty Lewis 11

Sen John Chui 12

Way Co Bryan Daniels 11

JH Justin Pitcher 11

HC Matt Zarth 10

Lar Co Darwin Perez 12

Tri Grant Ohlman 9

130

Old Co Ben Warner 12

NH Matt Eck 12

Sen Dan Fuller 12

JC Jordan Freeman 10

Con Rashad Brown 12

Un Co Carson Chambliss 12

Nel Co Forest Rehrig 12

Cald Co Sam Mitchell 10

135

Ryle Bryan Peace 11

SC Brandon Howard 12

JH Cassidy Veach 12

Cam Co Kyle Griffith 11

FC Derek Branch 11

Wood Co Steven Butler 12

Sen Zach Poulton 11

SO Cody Hall 12

140

Scott Daniel Thueneman 12

Har Co Josh Ashbrook 11

Lar Co Matt Miller 11

Tri Ben Case 12

FC Kevin Stewart 12

Wood Co Chad Scott 11

St X Cory Kress 12

Con Ryan Dillon 11

145

Un Co Mitch Ervin 11

FC Malcolm Jackson 12

Hol John Golsby 12

Har Co Bryan Wasson 11

Lar Co Evan Smith 12

St X Chip Condon 12

Wood Co Blake Sheehan 11

Tri Brad Hitchings 9

152

Wood Co Harrison Courtney 10

Lar Co Patrick Banks 12

Mc Cen Randall Stevens 12

And Co Sammy Isaacs 11

FC Ben Barger 11

Har Co Beau Sanders 11

Way Co Tim Winchester 11

Bull Cen Jeremiah Walls 10

160

FC John Wolsiefer 11

SK Josh Cooper 12

Lar Co Scott Wheeler 12

NH Ty Wolf 11

DH Brad Denham 12

CH Joe Collin 12

Cam Co Tom Brownfield 11

Wood Co Justin Mays 12

171

Eas Ben Rupp 12

Ryle Mason Reid 11

NH Matt Baker

Lar Co Bryant Barnhill 12

Tri John Florence 12

SC Adam Dials 11

Mc Cen Ryan Harlow 9

Old Co Wes Combs 12

189

Wood Co Will Starks 12

NH Mark Jones 11

Apollo Matt Green 11

Lar Co Jake Shipp 12

SC Ryan Kelly 10

CH Terry Turner 12

DH Steve Benson 11

HC Zack Guiler 12

215

Mc Cen Jacob Watson 12

FC Deon Chaney 11

Tri Jordan Whiting 10

Sen Jordan Dockery 12

Lar Co Joe Embree 12

SC Justin Chaffin 11

PD Doug Winter 12

Doss Derek Nickel 11

275

Wood Co Matt Byrd 12

Old Co Josh Young 12

Ohio Co Adam Burdin 12

Fair Robby Brown 12

New Devon Boxx 11

Scott Adam Patterson 12

Vall Will Smith 11

Mc Cen Chris Espinoza 12

Team

1 Woodford County

2 Larue County

3 Fern Creek

4 Union County

5 North Hardin

6 Seneca

7 Trinity (Louisville)

8 Wayne County

9 McCreary Central

10 Sheldon Clark

11 Ryle

12 Oldham County

13 Paul Dunbar

14 Harrison County

15 Eastern

16 Johnson Central

17 Scott

18 John Hardin

19 Henry Clay

20 Conner

21 Campbell County

22 Dixie Heights

23 Central Hardin

24 St. Xavier

25 Simon Kenton

THE RANKINGS ARE GREAT BUT I THINK I SHOULD BE RANKED HIGHER BECAUSE I DONT THINK ROBBIE BROWN IS WRESTLING NEXT YEAR

malcolm jackson going up 3 weights and number 2? that doesnt sound right

christian countys 130 is goin 130 again this year

i dont see matt zarth being a 125 pounder next year i dont if cornett will go 112 or what but i just cant see him at 125

Well Ranger you have at least given us something to talk about.

I do however have a few questions/disagreements, assuming you have everyone in the correct wt. class.(Which we all know they more than likely are not)

1. Parks over Carr???? (did they wrestle last year, Carr has the experience of being in the finals)

2. Ervin over Luna???? (Luna beats almost anyone when his mind is on it)

3. Voth over Lewis ??????????? (Um didn't Lewis beat him last year?)

4. Stewart under both Miller and Case???? (Stewart just seems to me the better wreslter of these three)

5. Jackson over both Golsby and Wasson???? (bumping up 3 wt classes)

6. Golsby over Wasson???? (Wasson defeated Golsby in Border Wars)

7. Young over Burdin??? (Burdin had a bad state last year)

8. Boxx over Patterson, smith and Epinoza??????????? (Boxx is just an animal, not very technical, IMO Espinoza is the best of this bunch)

9. I still can't believe that Byrd is going Hwt next year. (I hope its the correct choice I enjoy his wrestling ability)

OK. Let's see if I can answer everyone's questions.

Bop - you're close; let's wait and see on Brown. I'll leave him on the list until I know for sure.

I think we all can agree that Malcolm is very, very talented. I believe he learned a bit from last season's experiences and will come back tough and not cut as much weight. Plus, tell me who on the list will definitely beat him.

I'll check on the 30 from Christian county, Skinner?, and make sure I didn't lose him.

I'm just not convinced that Cornett will get to 112, so I have to put him or Zarth at 125. Right now I chose Zarth.

And finally, good comments grapplet, BUT...

1) Parks impressed me at state, really pushing Sullivan. And you know he will get better and better. It is a toss-up and I'm taking Parks right now.

2) Yes, Luna is tough, but so are the Ervins.

3) Are you talking about the '04-'05 season when Lewis beat Voth? IMO, there was no comparison between the Voth of this past season and the prior years. He really stepped it up and I think will take the next step to make up for the disappointment in the finals.

4) Again, a lot of guys that are pretty even, imo.

5) Yes, I think so. He can match up athleticly with Golsby and has a better work ethic and workout partners to push him.

6) Hey, were you one of the folks arguing that you can't rely on summer results? I think they are pretty even right now.

7) I was not impressed with Burdin and didn't like his attitude. Plus, I think Young has more technical skills.

8) I think Boxx has the potential to improve leaps and bounds. He just has to learn how to not beat himself.

9) I think he will. It may come down to where the team needs him.

they look good but i think Joe Raliegh should be up there somewhere in the 189 class

Most of my comments are just personal opinion. I have little to base it on except what I see on the mat, and who I believe is the better wrestler.

However:

6) Hey' date=' were you one of the folks arguing that you can't rely on summer results? I think they are pretty even right now..[/quote']

Yes I was, but I think Wasson has a much, much better attitude, a powerfull work ethic, and a group of wrestlers on his team that will be able to push him to the limits every day at practice.

Talk about bad attitude and work ethic. He left the regional tourney this year because of a concert. All he had to do was win one match (Against Camp. Co.) and he went to state. He also did not attend many of their meets during the year.

Ervin is better than Luna i have wrestled both and as of now i am going 112 (cornett) but i dont know how much i will grow over summer

OK. Let's see if I can answer everyone's questions.

Bob - you're close; let's wait and see on Brown. I'll leave him on the list until I know for sure.

I think we all can agree that Malcolm is very' date=' very talented. I believe he learned a bit from last season's experiences and will come back tough and not cut as much weight. Plus, tell me who on the list will definitely beat him.

I'll check on the 30 from Christian county, Skinner?, and make sure I didn't lose him.

I'm just not convinced that Cornett will get to 112, so I have to put him or Zarth at 125. Right now I chose Zarth.

And finally, good comments grapplet, BUT...

1) Parks impressed me at state, really pushing Sullivan. And you know he will get better and better. It is a toss-up and I'm taking Parks right now.

2) Yes, Luna is tough, but so are the Ervins.

3) Are you talking about the '04-'05 season when Lewis beat Voth? IMO, there was no comparison between the Voth of this past season and the prior years. He really stepped it up and I think will take the next step to make up for the disappointment in the finals.

4) Again, a lot of guys that are pretty even, imo.

5) Yes, I think so. He can match up athleticly with Golsby and has a better work ethic and workout partners to push him.

6) Hey, were you one of the folks arguing that you can't rely on summer results? I think they are pretty even right now.

7) I was not impressed with Burdin and didn't like his attitude. Plus, I think Young has more technical skills.

8) I think Boxx has the potential to improve leaps and bounds. He just has to learn how to not beat himself.

9) I think he will. It may come down to where the team needs him.[/quote']

I heard robby brown isnt wrestling next year either he actually told me himself

yeah i know his girlfriend real good and she told me that he isnt either....

they look good but i think Joe Raliegh should be up there somewhere in the 189 class

Raleigh is #9, just off the list.

6) Hey' date=' were you one of the folks arguing that you can't rely on summer results? I think they are pretty even right now..[/quote']

Yes I was, but I think Wasson has a much, much better attitude, a powerfull work ethic, and a group of wrestlers on his team that will be able to push him to the limits every day at practice.

Talk about bad attitude and work ethic. He left the regional tourney this year because of a concert. All he had to do was win one match (Against Camp. Co.) and he went to state. He also did not attend many of their meets during the year.

Somewhat agree on Wasson. I didn't hear about Boxx at region. I thought he just choked. Pretty sad.

It doesn't really matter about Luna and Ervin because Luna is goin 112 again

It doesn't really matter about Luna and Ervin because Luna is goin 112 again

I would love to see a Sullivan - Luna matchup. That would definitely make Sullivan earn his title at 112 (if he ends up there). BUT, there are still 5 months until the season kicks off and a lot of time for guys to get "fat".

I would love to see a Sullivan - Luna matchup. That would definitely make Sullivan earn his title at 112 (if he ends up there). BUT' date=' there are still 5 months until the season kicks off and a lot of time for guys to get "fat".[/quote']

Sullivan and Luna wrestled at state duals in 05 when Luna was at 103, Luna lost, but it was really close and luna has improved greatly since he was an eighth grader

theres not many region 6 wrestlers on here especally campbell county like fuller at 215 or 275 in my opinion hes an amazing wrestler and deserves to be there and who is thomas brownfield? i think i know who he is from campbell but honestly he didn't impress me at state 0-2.

joe raleigh should def. be in the top 8 next yr .. and ben edwards the 140 will prollie do good too...

theres not many region 6 wrestlers on here especally campbell county like fuller at 215 or 275 in my opinion hes an amazing wrestler and deserves to be there and who is thomas brownfield? i think i know who he is from campbell but honestly he didn't impress me at state 0-2.

If you don't think Brownfield from Campbell should be on the list then who would you add from CC? They're not going to be the deepest team in the region next season. Again I like the Camels and Coach Bankemper, but I think they have a lot to prove after a down year and losing Hildreth, Wilson, Rust, and P. Brownfield.

i would put shotwell and fuller for sure from cc

which ever weight Sullivan goes he is top dog. 103 or 112 , their are a lot of very good wrestlers at these wieghts . And yes everyone knows anyone can be beat.

c'mon these are the PRESEASON rankings If u dont agree with what ranger says go out and prove you should be betterly ranked plus these are also predictions for next year not "he will win state for sure" rankings

theres not many region 6 wrestlers on here especally campbell county like fuller at 215 or 275 in my opinion hes an amazing wrestler and deserves to be there and who is thomas brownfield? i think i know who he is from campbell but honestly he didn't impress me at state 0-2.

He hung with Valdez and did beat Casson as first year varsity as a sophomore. He's performed way better than he did at state, naturally ... but no one should predict based on one weekend. If he gets strong, which he's taking care of, he's dangerous to anyone.

Deinlein has a shot at placing.

Campbell will top wrestlers returning are (I hope I don't forget anyone)

Shotwell (not sure what weight probably 119/125)

Deinlien (has a lot of potential)

Griffith (Should be back to form next year at 135-140)

Brumfield (should have been a 145 last year)

Fuller (strong kid knows how to keep the score close)

Campbell will top wrestlers returning are (I hope I don't forget anyone)

Shotwell (not sure what weight probably 119/125)

Deinlien (has a lot of potential)

Griffith (Should be back to form next year at 135-140)

Brumfield (should have been a 145 last year)

Fuller (strong kid knows how to keep the score close)

Pretty accurate write up there. Fuller has a lot of potential ... if he fulfills it he'll go deep in the tourney. He wrestled hurt most of the year, so it will be interesting to see how he does this year. He'll be healthy with another year of technical development under his belt. And, i hear he claims he's a pimp. I wonder which he has more potential at ? Maybe this year will tell. 8)

Brownfield seemed streaky last year. Had beaten Casson and wrestled Valdez tough ... but dropped his first two at state. If he gets consistent combined with the weight work i hear he's done, he'll be an animal.

I totally agree with you on Deinlein.

Fuller needs to let that shoulder heal or next season will be a bust. I think Shotwell and Deinlin will be good next season but 119 and 125 could be tough weights.

i think that Anthony Bailey FtKN will place this year i seen him wrestle at state he was one match away from placeing he lost to o.p McCubbins by 2 or 3 points hes a very good wrestler

Will Ranger be at the Battle of the Bluegrass on June 10th.

who is devon boxx?

who is devon boxx?

He wrestles for Newport, which was a new varsity team last season. He had some success, but little experience and doesn't always make the best decisions. He has lots of potential, but we'll have to wait and see if he lives up to it.

Will Ranger be at the Battle of the Bluegrass on June 10th.

Possibly.

andre zeppa will be wrestling 12 next year and antonio zeppa at 119...antonio just lost his head at state and lost to 2 kids he had never lost to before....and tom kusnir will be back at 130, one match from placing at state last year

north oldham has some quality wrestlers this upcoming season

andre zeppa will be wrestling 12 next year and antonio zeppa at 119...antonio just lost his head at state and lost to 2 kids he had never lost to before....and tom kusnir will be back at 130' date=' one match from placing at state last year

north oldham has some quality wrestlers this upcoming season[/quote']

That's where I have the Zeppas. I've got Kusnir at 140 for right now. He looks like he has put on a few pounds this spring.

THE RANKINGS ARE GREAT BUT I THINK I SHOULD BE RANKED HIGHER BECAUSE I DONT THINK ROBBIE BROWN IS WRESTLING NEXT YEAR

Some advice from someone who has been in the shoes you are in...take these rankings and put them in your locker...You will start knocking off opponets which are ranked higher then you and you still wont move you might even drop. Who cares he makes the feeling that much more intense when your under the lights and people are saying "Who is this guy??" These things dont mean a thing....no offense...Dont get caught up in them you dont want to wrestle the rankings you want to wrestle your opponets. When you wrestle the rankings you lose. Laugh at these things have fun w/ them...and just WIN!!

Zeppa boys are nice good fundamentally sound wrestlers, but neither of them have the muscle and beef needed to ever be a threat down state. Antonio didnt lose his head, he simply got beat by kids who matured and developed over the year.

Zeppa boys are nice good fundamentally sound wrestlers' date=' but neither of them have the muscle and beef needed to ever be a threat down state. Antonio didnt lose his head, he simply got beat by kids who matured and developed over the year.[/quote']

Theres no exscuse for losing, you lose you lose. You were on that mat making all your own desicions,nobody makes them for you.Yes,you have bad days sometimes,but just because you get beat by somebody youve beat before,doesnt mean they havent been working hard to beat you...

It really doesnt matter if you look at rankings or not because everyone knows who is a pretty good wrestler in kentucky. I mean your not gonna go into a match with Harrison Courtney, Jacob Murton, or Richard Starks and not know who they are regardless if u have looked at the ranking sheet. I love the rankings. If a kid sees his name in the rankings it will give him so much confidence b/c its happened to me and i know how it feels to make the rankings for the first time. Now i dont need rankings because i already know whos a good wrestler or not. Most of the time the quality of the wrestler goes with the quality of the team. So if you are wrestling a school with a good program chances are that the kid is going to be good.

I was really wondering why Sk is not getting any respect, they have some of the best young wrestlers coming on, I seen someone notice Zach M. Neal, what about Norbury, Vaughn, Brown, Turner? 25 ranking, things will get even better with them going against that ranking, I expect them in the top 15, I think it can be better if they all stick by their work ethic that the Coopers have shown them works.

Some advice from someone who has been in the shoes you are in...take these rankings and put them in your locker...You will start knocking off opponets which are ranked higher then you and you still wont move you might even drop. Who cares he makes the feeling that much more intense when your under the lights and people are saying "Who is this guy??" These things dont mean a thing....no offense...Dont get caught up in them you dont want to wrestle the rankings you want to wrestle your opponets. When you wrestle the rankings you lose. Laugh at these things have fun w/ them...and just WIN!!

I agree that you shouldn't get caught up in the rankings. You need to take care of business on the mat because that is what really matters. And if you do that I will notice (assuming your results get reported somewhere). I disagree with your comment that anyone knocked off too many higher ranked guys and dropped in the rankings. Some losses had to be involved as well. For example, if you beat the #3 guy in the state in a dual and later that night lose to a nobody with a losing record, you probably will not move up. The #3 guy should drop. PM me and let me know what you think I missed last season. If results never got posted anywhere or don't show up in the papers, then I can't reflect that in the rankings.

barger pinned isaacs 2 times last year and isaacs only beat him on points 1 time.

Since I used these, I thought I might bring them back to the top.

Raleigh is busy at govenors scholar program and prepping to pass 5000 yds rushing in football.  Rankings are fun but have never won a match. Calm down Bop, do it on the mat!  :-D

Well Ranger you have at least given us something to talk about.

I do however have a few questions/disagreements, assuming you have everyone in the correct wt. class.(Which we all know they more than likely are not)

7.  Young over Burdin???  (Burdin had a bad state last year)

Just curious Grappler of Old how Burdin would be ahead of me when I defeated him at state?  I had a bad knee that I had surgery on about a month ago, and as a result wasen't able to practice the last 3 weeks of the season.  He might have had a bad state, but I didn't wrestle that well either.  Oh well I just wanted to hear your openion on why Burdin should be ranked higher than me.

Broke back since I made this reply months ago I can only speculate.

I have only seen both Burdon and Young wrestle a hand full of times the last two years.  I speculate that I thought that Burdon is a better wrestler than Young. 

Once again no solid evidence here just opinion.  That  which I don't remember now.  If both of you were in a group of wrestlers without your uniforms on, I would probably not be able to pick you out. 

This was an opinion that I stated at the time when things were more fresh in my mind.

well shouldnt Collin and Wheeler and Wolfs till be at 152 cause i know all them are keepin there weight down....and im thinkin that collin should be above wolf....cause wolf did place in state and wheeler and collin didnt but Collin still beat Wolf twice and Wheeler once so he should be right under if not above wolf

I've heard several rumors that Harrison Courtney is going to stay at 145.  If so he will be a monster.  :mrgreen:

In 112....

What about the kids who will return to 112 again next year.For example kids who won matches at 112 and etc....to name a few Josh Higgs-PRP,Patrick Lile-Southern,Mason Bradbury-Central Hardin,Houston Lundy-John Hardin.....I think they should have a shot at the pre-rankings

In 112....

What about the kids who will return to 112 again next year.For example kids who won matches at 112 and etc....to name a few Josh Higgs-PRP,Patrick Lile-Southern,Mason Bradbury-Central Hardin,Houston Lundy-John Hardin.....I think they should have a shot at the pre-rankings

After the Bluegrass Games I will update the rankings, but in response to your question..

Right now I have both Higgs and Lile in the top 15 at 112.  I have Bradbury in the top 8 at 119.  And Lundy in the top 25 at 125, based on his weight this summer so far.

After the Bluegrass Games I will update the rankings, but in response to your question..

Right now I have both Higgs and Lile in the top 15 at 112.  I have Bradbury in the top 8 at 119.  And Lundy in the top 25 at 125, based on his weight this summer so far.

ranger123..

I dont know for sure but ive heard from EVERYONE and himself that josh Higgs will not wrestle next year.I dont know the reason but thats what ive heard from friends that wrestle for Pleasure Ridge(PRP)

ranger123..

I dont know for sure but ive heard from EVERYONE and himself that josh Higgs will not wrestle next year.I dont know the reason but thats what ive heard from friends that wrestle for Pleasure Ridge(PRP)

Folks,

Don't worry about who is and isn't returning or moving up or moving down (wt class).

Ranger,

Maybe not putting a (number) rank order by names would solve the petty concerns of which kids should be 8th,13th or whatever. 

Wait till the Oct preseason selection for rank ordering once you can confirm what most of the kids are doing (quitting, new kids out of state transfers, wt. class)?

Either way it's fun to see read the posts.

Folks,

Don't worry about who is and isn't returning or moving up or moving down (wt class).

Ranger,

Maybe not putting a (number) rank order by names would solve the petty concerns of which kids should be 8th,13th or whatever. 

Wait till the Oct preseason selection for rank ordering once you can confirm what most of the kids are doing (quitting, new kids out of state transfers, wt. class)?

Either way it's fun to see read the posts.

Yeah this is true but still its fun to guess whos gonna be where and then actually SEEING whos where.For example last year everybody was like "coty lewis is going to beat blablah blah at 125"....then what actually happens??he cuts a bunch of weight and gos to 112 again and takes the title....lol

I don't see any harm in putting the numbers next to the names.  If that's the weight a guy ends up wrestling that's where I think he will be.  If he bumps up or cuts down, then I can adjust when we know for sure.  But waiting until early season doesn't really solve much because so many guys move around before the season starts and some even after when they see some of the competition.  Plus, as we have said, it gives us so much more to discuss.

I don't see any harm in putting the numbers next to the names.  If that's the weight a guy ends up wrestling that's where I think he will be.  If he bumps up or cuts down, then I can adjust when we know for sure.  But waiting until early season doesn't really solve much because so many guys move around before the season starts and some even after when they see some of the competition.  Plus, as we have said, it gives us so much more to discuss.

Concur Ranger, these kids, parents and coaches have to just understand this will all change come the Dec once the guys get some matches.

just wandering if you might update your rankings after the results of the Bluegrass games come in ?The Gable series is also over if you use those results.Some people like the rankings and some don't, I say it makes for very interesting conversation . :mrgreen:

just wandering if you might update your rankings after the results of the Bluegrass games come in ?The Gable series is also over if you use those results.Some people like the rankings and some don't, I say it makes for very interesting conversation . :mrgreen:

In 112....

What about the kids who will return to 112 again next year.For example kids who won matches at 112 and etc....to name a few Josh Higgs-PRP,Patrick Lile-Southern,Mason Bradbury-Central Hardin,Houston Lundy-John Hardin.....I think they should have a shot at the pre-rankings

Would like to see where some SK kids are, Several were a Cumberland, and I know they did learn a few things. D. Brown, S. Norbury, R. Vaughn. I have not seen their names,,,,,,, should they be? What about both of the Turners? Big and middle? Where are you SK, Ranked 25th?

I haven't seen the complete set of results yet.  I saw some of the matches, but missed a lot as well.  Shortly after I see all of the finishes I will post an update.

OK, here is an update.  I'm only posting the top 8 as that is all I have scoring team points right now.  Understand that before you scream about the team rankings.  Teams like Campbell County (and I'm a Campbell County fan) aren't scoring big because I don't see a lot of guys placing right now.  But I'm sure they will come through and score enough to be a top 20 team in the end.

103

Un Co Aaron Carr  10

Sen Elliott Martin  11

Tri Dan Smith  11

JC Zach Salyers  8 / JJ Jude  7

FC Josh Burkett  11

Lar Co Joey Henderson  9

Ryle Austin Palmer  9

SO Brandon Whitehouse  9

112

Way Co Travis Sullivan  11

Wood Co Shane Parks  11

Un Co Adam Carr  12

PD Jon Voth  11

Bull Cen James Badgett  11

NO Andre Zeppa  11

Lar Co Tritsten Hines  10

Con TJ Bates  9

119

FC Caleb Wood  12

Un Co Isaac Ervin  10

Eas Joaquin Luna  10

NH Josh Johnson  9

Way Co Coty Vinsant  11

JC Cory Spencer  11

HC Cliff Cornett  12

Mon Co Ross Carpenter-Fraser  11

125

PD Tyler Voth  12

Wood Co Coty Lewis  11

Sen John Chui  12

Way Co Bryan Daniels  11

JH Justin Pitcher  11

HC Matt Zarth  10

Lar Co Darwin Perez  12

Tri Grant Ohlman  9

130

Old Co Ben Warner  12

NH Matt Eck  12

Sen Dan Fuller  12

JC Jordan Freeman  10

Con Rashad Brown  12

Un Co Carson Chambliss  12

Nel Co Forest Rehrig  12

Cald Co Sam Mitchell  10

135

Ryle Bryan Peace  11

SC Brandon Howard  12

JH Cassidy Veach  12

Cam Co Kyle Griffith  11

FC Derek Branch  11

Wood Co Steven Butler  12

Sen Zach Poulton  11

SO Cody Hall  12

140

Scott Daniel Thueneman  12

Har Co Josh Ashbrook  11

Lar Co Matt Miller  11

Tri Ben Case  12

FC Kevin Stewart  12

Wood Co Chad Scott  11

St X Cory Kress  12

Con Ryan Dillon  11

145

Un Co Mitch Ervin  11

FC Malcolm Jackson  12

Hol John Golsby  12

Har Co Bryan Wasson  11

Lar Co Evan Smith  12

St X Chip Condon  12

Wood Co Blake Sheehan  11

Tri Brad Hitchings  9

152

Wood Co Harrison Courtney  10

Lar Co Patrick Banks  12

Mc Cen Randall Stevens  12

And Co Sammy Isaacs  11

FC Ben Barger  11

Har Co Beau Sanders  11

Way Co Tim Winchester  11

Bull Cen Jeremiah Walls  10

160

FC John Wolsiefer  11

SK Josh Cooper  12

Lar Co Scott Wheeler  12

NH Ty Wolf  11

DH Brad Denham  12

CH Joe Collin  12

Cam Co Tom Brownfield  11

Wood Co Justin Mays  12

171

Eas Ben Rupp  12

Ryle Mason Reid  11

NH Matt Baker

Lar Co Bryant Barnhill  12

Tri John Florence  12

SC Adam Dials  11

Mc Cen Ryan Harlow  9

Old Co Wes Combs  12

189

Wood Co Will Starks  12

NH Mark Jones  11

Apollo Matt Green  11

Lar Co Jake Shipp  12

SC Ryan Kelly  10

CH Terry Turner  12

DH Steve Benson  11

HC Zack Guiler  12

215

Mc Cen Jacob Watson  12

FC Deon Chaney  11

Tri Jordan Whiting  10

Sen Jordan Dockery  12

Lar Co Joe Embree  12

SC Justin Chaffin  11

PD Doug Winter  12

Doss Derek Nickel  11

275

Wood Co Matt Byrd  12

Old Co Josh Young  12

Ohio Co Adam Burdin  12

Fair Robby Brown  12

New Devon Boxx  11

Scott Adam Patterson  12

Vall Will Smith  11

Mc Cen Chris Espinoza  12

Team

1 Woodford County

2 Larue County

3 Fern Creek

4 Union County

5 North Hardin

6 Seneca

7 Trinity (Louisville)

8 Wayne County

9 McCreary Central

10 Sheldon Clark

11 Ryle

12 Oldham County

13 Paul Dunbar

14 Harrison County

15 Eastern

16 Johnson Central

17 Scott

18 John Hardin

19 Henry Clay

20 Conner

21 Campbell County

22 Dixie Heights

23 Central Hardin

24 St. Xavier

25 Simon Kenton

I spoke to Rashad Brown from Conner this week...he currently weighs 120....he says he's going 125...but i'd look for him at 119....possibly 112.  Ranger - how would you rank Rashad at 119 or 112?  This is a kid that benches 185 like 19 times (from what i've read on here not sure if this is true).

Josh Johnson is on the John Hardin soccer team with his senior brother.

Unless there are two of them :roll:

Josh Johnson is on the John Hardin soccer team with his senior brother.

Unless there are two of them :roll:

No, there is not two of them, he is at John Hardin, not North. Before the rumors fly, it is my understanding that Hardin County (like Jefferson) has open enrollment so the transfer is legit. It is his step brother (i believe) at John and I think they have been attempting to get them in the same school for a while. Obviously this (IMHO) hurts North and helps John but it will be interesting to see how Johnson, Pitcher and Veech all fit into the JH lineup.

No, there is not two of them, he is at John Hardin, not North. Before the rumors fly, it is my understanding that Hardin County (like Jefferson) has open enrollment so the transfer is legit. It is his step brother (i believe) at John and I think they have been attempting to get them in the same school for a while. Obviously this (IMHO) hurts North and helps John but it will be interesting to see how Johnson, Pitcher and Veech all fit into the JH lineup.

How does 119-Johnson, 125-Pitcher 130/35-Veach sound :wink:

Happy Pappy, will Tristen-112, Lucas-119 and Darwin-125 hold or will they all move up one :?

pioneer - personally, I think he will have a tougher time at 119 or 125 than 130.  I think the depth of technically better wrestlers will prevent him from placing really high at those weights, even with his superior strength.  He seems to make a lot of mistakes and many of those kids will be able to capitalize on it.  112 would be a different story, but I don't see him going that far.  I see 119 as a bit of a stretch.

yea, he probably won't stay down at 119....but man....weighing 120 during football season, and thinking of going 125 during wrestling...that just makes no sense to me. 

How does 119-Johnson, 125-Pitcher 130/35-Veach sound :wink:

Happy Pappy, will Tristen-112, Lucas-119 and Darwin-125 hold or will they all move up one :?

As I said earlier, it will be interesting at John Hardin because I really don't know what those kids are weighing right now. As for LaRue, Hines figured out at camp that he's going to be much more competitive at '12 than at '19 so I believe that's where he will be. Lucas is heavy but all muscle and I figure he's probably going to be at '30. Darwin could be at '30 as well or could possibly make '25, those two will work it out. I haven't seen Perez much over the summer and he didn't make camp because he's working. Football season is here and Darwin is our placekicker so I'll be seeing him soon and give you an update when I do. That little joker can flat kick the crap out of a football and could possibly end up kicking in college somewhere (he is that good)...of course, we may have to get his papers squared away before he does... :-D

Josh Johnson is indeed enrolled at John Hardin.  He will be a freshman this year and wanted to go to school with his brother (not half or step) Chad, who is a junior.  This will be Chad's third year at John Hardin.  They both play soccer and did not want to compete against each other.  The Johnsons are our neighbors.  This decison was made with much heartache by the Johnsons.  To my knowledge there is no animosity between North Hardin and John Hardin over this matter.  We wish Josh the best of luck.  Family is more important than anything, and you must always do what's best for your family.

As I said earlier, it will be interesting at John Hardin because I really don't know what those kids are weighing right now. As for LaRue, Hines figured out at camp that he's going to be much more competitive at '12 than at '19 so I believe that's where he will be. Lucas is heavy but all muscle and I figure he's probably going to be at '30. Darwin could be at '30 as well or could possibly make '25, those two will work it out. I haven't seen Perez much over the summer and he didn't make camp because he's working. Football season is here and Darwin is our placekicker so I'll be seeing him soon and give you an update when I do. That little joker can flat kick the crap out of a football and could possibly end up kicking in college somewhere (he is that good)...of course, we may have to get his papers squared away before he does... :-D

As I recall Darwin has a pretty good foot. We wish him well in both sports. :wink:

how do you not have steven watson  on these???????????

steven watson techd steven bensoin 1 time and bet him by points the next time they wrestled and i think he sould be in the top 8!

how do you not have steven watson  on these???????????

First, he went 2-2 at state in 2005.  Not bad, but he lost to Steven Benson of Dixie (#7 right now), so no argument for being ahead of him.  Plus, he missed last season.  I'm sure he has been working hard, but he has a lot to make up and prove.  None of the top 10 at 189 can be taken lightly.  For example, we just saw how competitive Houchens at #10 can be on a national level.

i think fuller from campbell county should be put into the top 5 at heavy weight he defeated bodebender from ryle who one region six at heavy when fuler went 215 and you have patterson and boxx on this

i think fuller from campbell county should be put into the top 5 at heavy weight he defeated bodebender from ryle who one region six at heavy when fuler went 215 and you have patterson and boxx on this

If he goes 285 then I will put him there.  At this point I have him going 215 along with Bodenbender.  I think Bodenbender bumped up at region because that gave him a much better chance at qualifying for state.

I spoke to Rashad Brown from Conner this week...he currently weighs 120....he says he's going 125...but i'd look for him at 119....possibly 112.  Ranger - how would you rank Rashad at 119 or 112?  This is a kid that benches 185 like 19 times (from what i've read on here not sure if this is true).

I only know of one person, weighing 119, on FREE weights that benched 185 ONE time, there might be someone stretching that feat, or, there could be an Olypian weight lifter there. If he is 4' 5" (not) then I could be wrong.

I haven't seen the complete set of results yet.  I saw some of the matches, but missed a lot as well.  Shortly after I see all of the finishes I will post an update.

I dont see why you have Conner ahead of Simon Kenton?

I spoke to Rashad Brown from Conner this week...he currently weighs 120....he says he's going 125...but i'd look for him at 119....possibly 112.  Ranger - how would you rank Rashad at 119 or 112?  This is a kid that benches 185 like 19 times (from what i've read on here not sure if this is true).

I only know of one person, weighing 119, on FREE weights that benched 185 ONE time, there might be someone stretching that feat, or, there could be an Olypian weight lifter there. If he is 4' 5" (not) then I could be wrong.

overweight - i would suggest getting out more....rashad is a VERY strong kid...but not necessarily an "olympian".  to say that you only know of 1 person weighing 119 that can bench 185 on free weights...doesn't say much about your school's weightlifting program.  185 1 time on free weights is really no extraordinary feat for a 119 lber.  in fact i would guess that 1/2 the 119 lbs wrestlers in this state bench over 185.  i remember a 98 lber on our team back in h.s. that benched around 185. 

Pioneer I think you are probably correct.

Way back in the stone age when I wrestled our 112 who was my drill partner pushed over 210.  Our 119 who I know very well  :-D pushed over 220.  Niether of them were the strongest in their wt. classes either.

If you want to see some real beasts head north across the river into Ohio or Penn.  They are monsters up there.

You guys are right, though, I have had team members come out of a match against Rashad saying different things... The ones who lost said, " He's not as strong as he looks."  The ones who won said that he was the stongest kid they ever wrestled.

robbie vaughn from simon kenton should be something to look at at 112 because at cumberland he beat bates 9 to nothing all though he weighed bout 5 more pounds than bates but still 9 to nothing is something to think about and last season vaughn beat supe by 10 points

and also Ryan Vaughn from simon kenton should be another thing at 152 some people think that he has a chance to place also his partner is going to be josh cooper this whole year just something to think about

9 - 0? that seems a bit high.  i thought the score was more like 9-4 or 9-5.

Pioneer I think you are probably correct.

Way back in the stone age when I wrestled our 112 who was my drill partner pushed over 210.  Our 119 who I know very well  :-D pushed over 220.  Neither of them were the strongest in their wt. classes either.

If you want to see some real beasts head north across the river into Ohio or Penn.  They are monsters up there.

We are talking free weights and benching, not the machine? I know some old guys that can bench 220 on the machine and not over 185 with free weights.

9 - 0? that seems a bit high.  i thought the score was more like 9-4 or 9-5.

You may be right, I was not there............

yes, free weights.  believe it or not....our 98 lber who benched around 185 actually wrestled another 98 lber from indiana and got MUSCLED around....he asked the kid after the match what he benched and he claimed he benched 225.  that's a lot for a 98 lbs kid, but not impossible.  basically i'd say most kids that are considered "the strongest" for the weight class...probably max over twice their weight.  i don't think this is unbelievable.

We didn't lift a single day when I was in school.  I wrestled 112 as a senior and I think was one of the strongest guys at my weight.  Within a year after graduating I started really lifting.  With my weight at 125 (I could easily have made it to 119, maybe still 112) I maxed out at 250.  Free weights only; no machines for me.

You guys are right, though, I have had team members come out of a match against Rashad saying different things... The ones who lost said, " He's not as strong as he looks."  The ones who won said that he was the stongest kid they ever wrestled.

This brings up a good point....Rashad can probably bench press a lot....but who knows about the rest of his lifts.  I would say as far as wrestling goes, bench press is probably the least important lift.  Legs, grip, & back are probably the 3 most important.  A wrestler that actually "feels" strong or wrestles strong, most likely is strong in these areas....more so than benching a lot.  Alrighty, sorry to get so far off topic.

We are talking free weights and benching, not the machine? I know some old guys that can bench 220 on the machine and not over 185 with free weights.

Benching machine???   :-D :-o  We did not have those in my day.  At least our school did not.

boy did this one get off topic...

9 - 0? that seems a bit high.  i thought the score was more like 9-4 or 9-5.

yes it was 9-0

But, really great conversation, I do not think anything is unbelievable, sometimes just awesome,,,,,,,,,