The following is a petition to change the High School wrestling weights back to the old weights of 2010 - 11 season. I presented the petition to a group of coaches at a recent camp and I got 43 coaches signatures from seven (7) different states all supporting the petition. I got ZERO coaches who supported the new weight change. My Goal is to get 15,000 coaches / officials and wrestling fans signatures from across the country to sign the petition, so if you support the following petition please email me confirming that you support the petition with the following information;

School District / College / Club State Your Name Coach / Fan / Official

Norchester PA M Petrucelli COACH

My Email Address - [email protected]

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I will be posting this petition on as many Wrestling Forums as I possibly can and if you are in support please do the same and if you are at a camp and or Tournament please print it out the petition and get signatures to right the wrong the NHFS did to the sport.

ALSO I will NOT POST any Coaches / Officials / FANS Name on any medium who support this Petition. I will present this to the PIAA and NHFS Board when I get to my Goal of signatures and email confirmations

NHFS High School Weight Class Change Petition

July 25, 2001

We the coaches of the great sport of wrestling petition the NHFS to right the wrong that they did in changing the High School weight classifications and change them back to the same classes that were in place for the 2010 - 11 wrestling season as follows;

103,112,119,125,130,135,140,145,152,160,171,189,215,285

We petition to change the weight classification as stated above based upon the simple common sense facts as follows;

1. The Data you gathered (weight) from wrestlers to establish the new weight classes is flawed, if the changes were made based upon the raw weight that the kids weighed in at without taking the % body fat of the wrestlers into consideration then why have weight certifications (OPC)? Your analysis should be based upon what wrestlers were certified to wrestle at and in most case where they will compete at.

2. The following is a much better analysis done from analyzing 71 PA district 1 rosters encompassing 2149 wrestlers based upon the weight that they were certified to compete. This is based upon the old weight classes.

Break down by weight class

Old Weight Class # Of wrestlers % Of Total wrestlers

103 140 6.5%

112 152 7.1% 103 – 119 = 22.6%

119 194 9%

125 192 8.9%

130 178 8.3%

135 169 7.9% 125-145 = 43%

140 198 9.2%

145 188 8.7%

152 159 7.4%

160 146 6.8% 152 – 171 = 21.4%

171 149 7%

189 132 6%

215 100 4.6% 189 – 285 = 13%

285 51 2.4%

The true wrestling weights (OPC Certified) dictate that eliminating a weight class in the middle is truly ridiculous and defies common sense.

3. These changes hurt the quality of wrestling, by adding a upper weight class at 195 lbs you are now providing a varsity opportunity to a Football player who is most likely a 1st or 2nd year wrestler who was recruited off the football field to fill this spot. Adding a upper weight also has us competing with Basketball to recruit a Football player to fill the upper weights

4. By eliminating a middle weight class at 135 you are taking a varsity opportunity away from a wrestler who has been dedicated to the sport, put the time in (many since first grade) and deserves and opportunity at wrestling in High School. By eliminating the 135 lb class you are going against one of the biggest lessons that we should instill in our wrestlers you get out of the sport what you put into it, which is also a life lesson.

5. By adding a upper weight class High School wrestling now has more upper weight classes than college wrestling;

New HS Upper Weights - 182,195,220 and Hwt.

College Upper Weights - 184, 197 and Hwt

This truly defies logic or promotes obesity in High School by having one more upper weight class in High School than in College.

We the Coaches hope you review the above information and reconsider your changes and put the old weight classes back in place for the betterment of the Sport and to encourage young wrestlers to continue to work hard at both the sport and in life and that their hard work can and will be rewarded.

Thank You

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It sounds as if there is a little man bias here. Suggesting smaller weight classes have better wrestling is totally an opinion and unfair to heavier weights. They have worked on this for years and if they didn't believe it was best for the sport, it would not have gone through. And also the first and second year football player has as much right to a spot as a person who has many years in the sport. This just sounds like a ridiculous waste of time. It's changed, now let's move on

I agree fireplug (and I was a small guy)

When they changed the wt. classes in the 90's to clump the middle wt's the thought was that kids would not cut as much wt. because they would not have to loose 7 lbs to get to a lower wt. class.

Just the opposite happened. Wrestlers loose more wt. because they see the lower wt. class as more obtainable.

We have been arguing for another wt. class in the upper wts for years. Why should a kid who weighs 230 wrestle someone who is 285, or loose 15 lbs to wrestle 215. No other wt. class has to give up 50 lbs.

People just don't like change. If I had my way we would go back to the 12 wt. classes they had when I wreslted.

98,105,112,119,126,132,138,145,155,167,185,Hwt(max 250)

I agree fireplug (and I was a small guy)

When they changed the wt. classes in the 90's to clump the middle wt's the thought was that kids would not cut as much wt. because they would not have to loose 7 lbs to get to a lower wt. class.

Just the opposite happened. Wrestlers loose more wt. because they see the lower wt. class as more obtainable.

We have been arguing for another wt. class in the upper wts for years. Why should a kid who weighs 230 wrestle someone who is 285, or loose 15 lbs to wrestle 215. No other wt. class has to give up 50 lbs.

People just don't like change. If I had my way we would go back to the 12 wt. classes they had when I wreslted.

98,105,112,119,126,132,138,145,155,167,185,Hwt(max 250)

Come on goo, be consistent. With the old weights a kid who weighs 200 would have to lose 15 pounds to wrestle 185 or wrestle someone who is 250. Changing the weights is a completely idiotic approach to dealing with weight loss. Kids will lose weight no matter what the weights are.

And just to share my 2 cents, I don't like the change. The talent is deeper and the quality of wrestling is higher at the lightweights than at the heavies; plain and simple. GOO, I think I've heard you say this as well or something to this effect. This is not making a judgement on the big guys, but it is more a function of the previous argument that many of these lightweight guys have been competing for years and a number of the big guys have been recruited from the football team to fill a gap.

Ouch Ranger! I hope your Hvywt doesn't read your post.

Ouch Ranger! I hope your Hvywt doesn't read your post.

2 points of response to that. First, I'm not talking about every heavyweight or every lightweight. There are exceptions to most rules. But second, generally the facts are the facts. "My" heavy is a very good wrestler; one of the best in the state. But let's talk about the kids who are 15th to 20th best in the state. That's where the breakdown happens; down the line. If we are only concerned with the top line guys then we might as well just go with the college weights so these guys are making their weights for the next level. Instead this is high school and about developing not just on the mat, but as people. So it should be about getting the opportunities for the kids that are wrestlers, not building the weights and hoping the big guys will come or that our overweight society will create them. Because in my time I have seen just as many holes in the upper weights as the lower weights.

My point with my last statement was that nobody likes change. And I didn't when they added 13 wt. classes and changed them from what I was use to.

I did however like the addition of the 215 whenever it happened. (All the years seem to run together now)

I do like the new wt. classes however. We needed another upper wt. class.

Just because KY has less talent in the upper wt. classes does not mean other states do as well. In Ky our upper wt. classes are weaker because of our one-minded or undereducated football coaches and their attitudes toward wrestling.

Maybe just maybe the addition of an upper wt. class will help change the minds of those football coaches because their football players won't have to loose wt.

Hey just remember I'm no genius. And I get that sometimers disease sometimes.

GOO out.

Good point to consider other states. BUT, in all honesty, I don't care about the depth (or lack thereof) in other states. All I know is that I don't see this aiding the growth of wrestling in our state any time soon. It very likely decreases our competitiveness outside the state. And I see no impact on the attitude of those narrow minded football coaches.

Speaking of football, as I get more and more coaching experience at the youth level, I am amazed at superior tackling ability of wrestlers. And I have heard that from our middle school football coach as well. Wrestlers are consistently his best tacklers. As a result we get a ton of support from him. But high school coaches are convinced they are the center of the universe and nothing outside their weight room can help a kid in the off season.

yep, and our football program has never been anygood... and why not just have 15 weight classes? that would also prevent ties in dual meets where you have to look at criteria

Ranger: I mention other states because it is Federation rules which include almost all of the united states. I believe wrestling is stronger now that most if not all states us federation rules and not going out on their own. I still remember when Ohio and Indiana had unlimed Hwt and KY was max 250 and Ohio had an extra wt. class 175 which Ky did not. Made things a littel confusing for duals and tourneaments.

Paulham: Adding another wt. class would just further hurt the already struggling programs.

when a school looks at a program and notices that they are only filling maybe close to half a team and then you add another wt. class and make it even harder for the small/stuggling schools it just gives the school more reason to drop the team.

Also those small schools will have an even harder time competing in both duals and tounaments. Just makes the bigger schools stronger and smaller schools weaker.

How many other sports add more players to a starting lineup? Football has had 11 for a long time. Baseball has nine basketball has 5. I don't know about the other sports, but when was the last time another sport added another player to thier starting linup?

Ranger: I mention other states because it is Federation rules which include almost all of the united states. I believe wrestling is stronger now that most if not all states us federation rules and not going out on their own. I still remember when Ohio and Indiana had unlimed Hwt and KY was max 250 and Ohio had an extra wt. class 175 which Ky did not. Made things a littel confusing for duals and tourneaments.

Paulham: Adding another wt. class would just further hurt the already struggling programs.

when a school looks at a program and notices that they are only filling maybe close to half a team and then you add another wt. class and make it even harder for the small/stuggling schools it just gives the school more reason to drop the team.

Also those small schools will have an even harder time competing in both duals and tounaments. Just makes the bigger schools stronger and smaller schools weaker.

How many other sports add more players to a starting lineup? Football has had 11 for a long time. Baseball has nine basketball has 5. I don't know about the other sports, but when was the last time another sport added another player to thier starting linup?

Okay goo, I was hearing you until your last point. Comparing the adding a weight class to baseball, basketball, or football adding a position is not even close. We are talking about wrestling here. Not a game where kids in specified positions play with balls. Come on man.

pham - ties will happen no matter what number of weight classes we have (once you get above 1). With an odd number the tiebreaker criteria can be simplified (only by using most matches won). After that (most pins, techs, first takedowns, whatever), number of weights is irrelevant.

OK ranger when was the last time an event was added to track or another runner added to the cross country team ,or another tennis player to tennis (I have no idea how they keep team score in tennis) I can go on ;swimming, golf, bowling (some states have it).

Maybe some have made changes I don't know. My point is we don't need more wt. classes. Changing wt. classes and the number of wt. classes are major changes. We have already had several in the last 20-25 years. 4 wt. class changes and twice added wt classes. What other sport has had that many major changes in 20-25 years?

OK ranger when was the last time an event was added to track or another runner added to the cross country team ,or another tennis player to tennis (I have no idea how they keep team score in tennis) I can go on ;swimming, golf, bowling (some states have it).

Maybe some have made changes I don't know. My point is we don't need more wt. classes. Changing wt. classes and the number of wt. classes are major changes. We have already had several in the last 20-25 years. 4 wt. class changes and twice added wt classes. What other sport has had that many major changes in 20-25 years?

Yeah, but if our goal is to grow and progress like these activities you mention then we have more to worry about than the number of weight classes.

I disagree Ranger.

We do need to worry about the number or weight classes. If we continue to add more and more weight classes then the smaller schools will no longer carry wrestling.

Our biggest obstacle is getting kids to wrestle. The number one complaint (other than the uniform) is weight loss. Adding weight classes can solve this problem but then you kill the smaller schools/programs. If we can more centralize out weight classes with the kids that are in high school and potential competitors we can accomplish both.

We have to realize our population is getting bigger, not just overweight kids but in general. Natural selection has made United States kids bigger and stronger over the years.

I think there are good and bad in the changes. For our school, adding another big weight class hurts. We didn't have a heavy last year and our biggest guy was about 200. Having to add another big will make it tougher on us. I think a lot of smaller teams/schools will be in the same boat. Since the new weight classes are based on national numbers, this may not be as much of a burden in areas where wrestling has a better foothold, but I do think it could be hard in Kentucky.

On the positive side, I do like bumping up the lightest weight to 106. Last year, our 103 was a freshman. Most of the kids he wrestled were middle school, because the high school didn't have anyone that size. His record appeared pretty good, but was against younger kids, and it showed at tournament time. Maybe the extra few pounds will allow some more high school kids to go varsity at the lighter weight instead of JV at the next step up.

I disagree Ranger.

We do need to worry about the number or weight classes. If we continue to add more and more weight classes then the smaller schools will no longer carry wrestling.

Our biggest obstacle is getting kids to wrestle. The number one complaint (other than the uniform) is weight loss. Adding weight classes can solve this problem but then you kill the smaller schools/programs. If we can more centralize out weight classes with the kids that are in high school and potential competitors we can accomplish both.

We have to realize our population is getting bigger, not just overweight kids but in general. Natural selection has made United States kids bigger and stronger over the years.

The population getting bigger and the group of kids putting the Oreos down, turning off the Xbox, and getting their lazy tails off the couch to wrestle are 2 totally different things.

But how does the current change "centralize" the weights? It doesn't. It slants it to the high side. And I don't think it helps the small schools/programs in any way either. Small schools tend to have very few big kids and even fewer athletic big kids; most will be in the basketball gym. Small programs are small for reasons outside of anyone's control as a governing body. I have coached at 2 of the smallest schools in this state with wrestling teams. I was never given a hard time about dual meet records. Wrestling was viewed as primarily an individual sport and we looked at individual results. And weight loss comes down to the culture of the team which is a direct reflection of the coach. Besides, nothing we do with the weight classes will limit weight loss. Kids will cut as much or as little as the coaches/rules push/let them.

how did your kids feel when they were at tourneys or duals?

Wretling has chaned in the last few years. More emphasis on dua tourneys. There are fewer and fewer individual tournaments being held each year.

I know on the small school that I coached when we were at a dual tourney (NKAC) by the second day my kids did not want to even show up on the second day let alone wrestle. They were demorolized by giving up forfiet after forfiet and then maybe wrestling a JV kid, because the other teams wanted to save their #1 wrestler for the next dual. Example: We wrestled Larue County in a dual tounrey. I had two decent kids that I wanted to wrestle. We all know how Laure works duals. Once they win or lose they forfiet out. We wrestled one match against Laure that day and my kids all got forfiets after that.

This is how it hurts the smaller teams/schools. Kids do not want to compete if they are not even able to win a dual.

We may or may not agree on this but at least we now have something to discuss and the season gets closer and closer.

how did your kids feel when they were at tourneys or duals?

Wretling has chaned in the last few years. More emphasis on dua tourneys. There are fewer and fewer individual tournaments being held each year.

I know on the small school that I coached when we were at a dual tourney (NKAC) by the second day my kids did not want to even show up on the second day let alone wrestle. They were demorolized by giving up forfiet after forfiet and then maybe wrestling a JV kid, because the other teams wanted to save their #1 wrestler for the next dual. Example: We wrestled Larue County in a dual tounrey. I had two decent kids that I wanted to wrestle. We all know how Laure works duals. Once they win or lose they forfiet out. We wrestled one match against Laure that day and my kids all got forfiets after that.

This is how it hurts the smaller teams/schools. Kids do not want to compete if they are not even able to win a dual.

We may or may not agree on this but at least we now have something to discuss and the season gets closer and closer.

Oh yeah, good discussion. That's what these sites are for. At Holy Cross (Louisville) we didn't really do many duals. On Wednesdays we would just wrestle our few kids against the other team and let the scorekeeper deal with the forfeits. And teams like PRP were great about letting us tag along for duals as well. At dual tournaments we were used as the base for the "All Star team". And our kids didn't mind. The focus was preparing for the post season. And KCD was similar. With the exception of the tremendous help we had getting kids out. Both schools with less than 150 boys (grades 9-12) and I never heard a lot of whining about duals or weight cutting. One team with less than half a squad and the other with close to a full lineup. The major difference was support and promotion of the team.

Wow a lot has. Changed since. I graduated. I do agree. There is no Pontiac in taking away 135lbs weight Class now I have no problem with the 195lbs weight class I'm all about adding weight classes makes it more exciting cause there's more wrestling and it helps the 215s who wants to drop down but Can get to 189. But to take a weight class away is not a smart thing

- John Golsby

Sorry for the typos. I'm replying via android

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The new weights are awful and penalize the kids that wrestle full time, since most of those kids aren't big enough to safely compete in that brain-mashing head trauma sport with which everyone seems to be so enamored. However, it will be a quicker State tournament for those that enjoy watching the best wrestling, since those wrestlers will be done early, and you can make a quick exit ahead of traffic before the groping belly bumpers hit the mat. Honestly, how many kids over 170 lbs. are consistently at open mats working hard at wrestling?

I love how "the little guys" are getting screwed according to everybody. Explain to me how it is 'fair' for the smaller weights to wrestle guys that are at most 5 pounds different from them but the bigger guys have to wrestle guys that could be up to 15-20 pounds+ heavier than them. It seems everyone wants to bash the heavier weights for not being athletic or not quality wrestlers, maybe the smaller weights would look the same way if they had to give up 15 pounds to their opponents. I understand some schools have issues filling upper weights. Guess what? Some schools have issues filling smaller weights too. When you have a weight division such as 103- that a fairly high percentage of high schools have to use middle school kids to fill a HIGH SCHOOL weight- clearly their is an issue there. But yet everyone belly aches about not being able to fill a heavier weight unless they 'recruit' a HIGH SCHOOL football player. I know I'm generalising and this does not apply to everyone but at least at heavier weights we are 'recruiting' high school students for a high school sport and not middle school kids.

If everyone is so up in arms about the new weights, instead of going back to the old weights, why not make the difference in weight from weight class to weight class the same across the board?

Smaller guys would cut the weight necessary, You would be hard pressed to find any big guy complaining of giving up to much weight, that couldn't cut to the weight lower. And dont't start with me about cutting weight. You knew what it was when you started so do like the smaller guys and quit being a baby. You don't have the numbers to have another weight class. There are 20x the number of kids in any 25lb span from 112 to 152 than there is from 189 to 215 or 215 to hwt.

savage - not going to get into too many details here, but having the same weight difference all the way up the lineup is ludicrous. % is much more valid than he weight. 5 pounds to a 106 pound kid is completely different from 5 pounds to a 152 (not to mention a heavyweight).

I think this could have and should have been done a little differently. I always thought the reason why the weight classes from 125-145 were so close was because that was where a majority of your kids who wrestled actually were weight-wise. Essentially, the weight class they added was 182 and the one they took away was 140. I think a better solution would have been to take 215 to 220 as they did, move 189 to 195 as they did, but instead of adding in 182, simply bumped 171 up to maybe 178 (still a 17 lb difference between the classes). Then you take 160 and move it to 167 or thereabouts (Again, still an 11 lb difference between classes). Take 152 and move it to 158 and 145 to 151 (Again pretty much the same difference). From there, take the rest of the weight classes and make it a 6 or 7 pound difference between them which was essentially was done (IE 103 to 106 or 107, 112 to 113 or 114, 119 to 120, 125 to 126, 130 to 132, 135 to 138 and 140 to 144. You still make the upper weights more managable without really affecting the integrity of your lower weight classes which is, like I stated, where most of your wrestlers are weight-wise. The problem is they didn't touch 152 or 160, which is they would have, everything would have worked out better for pretty much all teams as a whole (or at least I think). I can understand being concerned about a discrepancy in weight, but were we really concerned about a possible 18 lb difference between a 171 and 189 so much so that we had to add another weight class in there? You still have a 25 lb difference between 195 and 220 so is that really better than a 26 lb difference between 189 and 215? And did we really do the HWTs any favors? So we closed the possible huge weight gap in the HWT class by 5 lbs, big deal. When a kid weighs about 1/8 of a ton or a little more, 5 lbs really doesn't matter. Five pounds to a HWT is like flicking an ant off and elephant's back...you don't notice it. HWTs lose 5 lbs by taking a crap!!! Am I making sense here or just rambling?

And I might add that last rant of mine is coming from a guy who wrestled HWT in high school and might be too heavy to wrestle sumo now so the fat guys hold a special place in my heart. All we've really done (and I'm saying this is more than likely true for all states not just Kentucky) is make the lower weight classes tougher from top to bottom as far as quality wrestlers while making the upper weight classes more diluted than they already were as far as the talent pool is concerned. It's ridiculous!!!

Are you telling me that the heavier guys (I'm not talking about 200+ guys but say 150-200) wouldnt cut weight if they only had 5 pounds to cut to get in the next lower weight clas?

Ranger- I understand your percentages. The point I'm trying to make is the strength and weight difference is the same in relation to the weights. Can you honestly say that giving up 5 pounds at 135 pounds is relatively the same as giving up 11 pounds at 170. If it is then, by that theory it should be as easy for a kid at 181 to cut to 170 as it is for a kid at 140 to get to 135.

It appears to me (and I fully admit I could be wrong) that the side of the argument most people fall on lies with where their own 'little Johnny' or their own club seems to fall. Obviously the schools that are heavy on the smaller weights think this is ridiculous while schools with more bigger kids(full disclosure-my kid and the program I'm associated struggles to find the little guy) think this is a little more fair. Look at Rangers lower weight rankings. How many middle schoolers are there? Is it because of the exception number of phenoms

Are you telling me that the heavier guys (I'm not talking about 200+ guys but say 150-200) wouldnt cut weight if they only had 5 pounds to cut to get in the next lower weight clas?

Ranger- I understand your percentages. The point I'm trying to make is the strength and weight difference is the same in relation to the weights. Can you honestly say that giving up 5 pounds at 135 pounds is relatively the same as giving up 11 pounds at 170. If it is then, by that theory it should be as easy for a kid at 181 to cut to 170 as it is for a kid at 140 to get to 135.

It appears to me (and I fully admit I could be wrong) that the side of the argument most people fall on lies with where their own 'little Johnny' or their own club seems to fall. Obviously the schools that are heavy on the smaller weights think this is ridiculous while schools with more bigger kids(full disclosure-my kid and the program I'm associated struggles to find the little guy) think this is a little more fair. Look at Rangers lower weight rankings. How many middle schoolers are there? Is it because of the exception number of phenoms at those weights? Or is it due to the lack of actual high school kids that are at those weights? I promise you I'm not knocking the quality of wrestling from those kids at that weight because my little 'Johnnie' was one of them once upon a time. But to knock the level of wrestling from larger weights when they aren't competing on the same playing field as smaller weights is as equally "ludacris". It's not comparing apples to apples.

Not sure why it posted partially the first time. My apologies.

I didn't say anything about losing weight. I'm not sure why everyone brings up weight loss in relation to the weight classes. I don't see any connection. Ease or difficulty in dropping a weight class is all about how much fat the kid has and their determination to make the weight. I could show you a ton of 140 pounders who can drop that 11 pounds much easier than many 181 pounders just becuase they have a determination to do it.

Charger coach you seemed to have a good grasp of things ,seems they should havel left thtings as they were up to 145 then added an upper weight and evenend it up. There are always complaints at 103 some schools don't havem either way the cutting will still be there

I'm sorry but ten times that many petitioners probably will not change things .its pretty much nation wide

I do think it is easier for a coach, parent, or wrestler to feel the impact of the weight changes on their own program, so most of us will struggle to see both sides. However, I will say that participation levels should be a huge consideration for weight classes, which all will agree favors the former weight classes. Wanting to lure more football players to wrestling is simply an inadequate argument for making changes. I agree that there is an on-going issue for the upper weight classes, but this is nothing new, it has always been an issue. Our program tends to attract the 240 pound heavy weight variety, which is cause for serious butt-whipping when we see the "full-size" heavies at state. But I'm okay with that, because it is the nature of the beast. If anything, heavy weight wrestlers demonstrate best the qualities of hand-fighting and football "lineman-ship" that we all crave to see on Saturdays and Sundays. I don't expect heavies to shoot much or move quickly around the mat, but when they do, it is awesome. I'm afraid the weight changes will expose a weaker area for our state, and personally I'm against it. However, I am recruiting harder than ever to fill these classes (isn't that all I can do?). Looking forward to this season !!

I see those 240 ish numbers a lot but there are beasts out there waiting to take the heavies by storm one day ,there will be a 260+ lb lightning fast shooting blast standuping throwbying head an arming throw technician matt god from KY .i have a feeling .

BIG BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED NORSE GOD LOOKING FREAK OF NATURE .

I think it was back in the mid 90s when they had a major change in the high school weight classes. I can remember all the coaches and atheletes complaining and whinning about how the new weight classes (103-275) were unfair and it would hurt this size kid or that size kid. Well after a season or two everybody stopped waisting time complaining, adjusted their programs and started wrestling. Who cares if an athelete weighs 98lbs and is mad that the new weight class is 106 you have two months get your but in the gym and start putting some muscle on your frame. Same goes for the 205lb guy who is upset cause he has to go 220 instead of 215, Get your but in gear start dieting and working out and get your weight down. People who can't adjust to change are the people who will always be one step behind the competition.

The reason there are so many lighter weights because kids spend all their lives dieting for wrestling there is no telling how many kids have stunted their growth dieting constantly ,yes its a part of the sport but no it is not good yr after yr for kids who are growing .whatever mix it up make a change ,change is what brings about growth and improvement it will be the same with the weight changes it will bring the best to the top maybe some bumps for some but the best will adapt.

The reason there are so many lighter weights because kids spend all their lives dieting for wrestling there is no telling how many kids have stunted their growth dieting constantly ,yes its a part of the sport but no it is not good yr after yr for kids who are growing .whatever mix it up make a change ,change is what brings about growth and improvement it will be the same with the weight changes it will bring the best to the top maybe some bumps for some but the best will adapt.

There's no telling how many zitty-faced, ugly, drug-induced goons there are out there artificially blowing themselves up, too.

My link

Data that the NFHS is feeding us looks a little flawed!

Putski.Ha ha ha no doubt what a world we live in with so many people needing their fix of whatever it is .

Its a shame ,glad I got clean skin long pretty hair and 3 boys ,

Putz you need to bark up another tree with your pitiful knowledge of stereotypical artificially blown up types this ones to solid to be shaken by some little pups barking hahahah.

Enjoy the season as it fast approaches glad you have and will get to see some true wrestling legends ,polish power Ivan Putski .always liked him shame you blemish his myth.and a shame no one can blemish mine Bro I am the only

Mr NKY 3x for a reason and that reason is why people like you hate on me ,

Change the weights up ..who cares studs will be studs it will not change a thing just something for someone who is going to lose either way to whine about.

There's no telling how many zitty-faced, ugly, drug-induced goons there are out there artificially blowing themselves up, too.

True story.

This is funny because I know of a coach at a HS in OH that dieted the hell out of his kid his whole life then took. him to a growth specialist or whatever they call it and said his kid was undersised...well no s&$t the kid hasn't eaten 3 meals a day ever anyway so now you have an OH state 103 lb state placer on Gh ....insanity and the kids dad is a freakin HS coach wow ....

I see those 240 ish numbers a lot but there are beasts out there waiting to take the heavies by storm one day ,there will be a 260+ lb lightning fast shooting blast standuping throwbying head an arming throw technician matt god from KY .i have a feeling .

BIG BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED NORSE GOD LOOKING FREAK OF NATURE .

I have no idea who you are talking about. Who could that possibly be? You've never posted anything on this website about him before. Maybe you should list his credentials again.

Ha ha I only listed some of his credentials plenty more to go over .but you wouldn't be trying to goad me into bragging and making people mad would you, just take my word for it he's got more cred than you ever had as a fresh and a better rushing average as well hahah.

Look for the Blonde Haired Blue Eyed Brave who will be standing higher on the podium than any other fresh in the state over about 130 or so and is about to be a multiple x state champ .

All bs aside .... I am very proud!!!!!!!!

Ha ha I only listed some of his credentials plenty more to go over .but you wouldn't be trying to goad me into bragging and making people mad would you, just take my word for it he's got more cred than you ever had as a fresh and a better rushing average as well hahah.

Look for the Blonde Haired Blue Eyed Brave who will be standing higher on the podium than any other fresh in the state over about 130 or so and is about to be a multiple x state champ .

All bs aside .... I am very proud!!!!!!!!

Now you got it Mr. NKY. I think you will find that most on this site are no where near whay you get on Yappi and those other wrestling sites.

After viewing those sites I can see how you came in guns blazzing.

Sit back have some fun, watch some wrestling, give some opinions, brag a little, and just enjoy the season.

I'll see ya on (or more likely for me on the side of) the wrestling mats.

GOO out.

Thank you GOO. Exactly my point in the Rankings page. We are not those sites and I think we are all proud of that. Im ok with the bragging, etc. but when it comes to throwing stones about who beat who and what team is better and accusations of ducking....lets just see from December to February.

Whoops

Don't agree with knocking anyone parent wrestler or coach but talking rankings you will talk wins and losses.and no shows

I do not agree with knocking any parents, wrestlers, coaches, officials, etc. in a public forum. I read what was said on the Ohio sites and think it looks bad. I understand you bragging. Any parent would. I understand you talking about accomplishments. Any parent would. I do not agree with personal attacks. Just my opinion. Again, welcome to KY. And in no way am I directing all of this toward Mr. NKY. Others came on and stirred the pot as well. I hope I am being clear in my point. All of that said...I'm tired of talking about it. Lets talk wrestling in Kentucky. There are several great things going on...New Teams, New Weight Classes, New State Tournament site (which means new concessions), Head Coaches in New places, and teams with a lot of tradition still needing coaches (Seneca). Lets get some conversation started about that.

Yeah, let's talk about teams needing coaches. It's hard to believe that Seneca is still without a coach right now. There has to be a former Chuck Anderson wrestler who will step up and take the reigns over there. Or maybe the old grizzly himself will pop another cough drop in and came out of retirement. That would be great to see.

Thank you Cmccoy,a lot of pot stirring and personal attacks on some sites,you can ignore it for so long or fight back with facts to push buttons and mak e those making bad comments even madder ,noticed some haters followed over to the ky site "you can tell by the # of posts they have made and who they comment on. I love KY ,always have, and everyone I love is there .Lots of friends in OH wish them all well.Hope my boys can represent Ky with the same enthusiasm they did Oh ,but being born in ky and coming from there they always did represent Ky .

HS is tough ,kids change and life changes them,I did what I could to keep mine set on the goal ,hope I can do the same for my youngest boy.

Have a great yr Ky

As for the petition I doubt it makes a difference