I know everyone is waiting for an update, especially to see where the new move-ins fall. Well, here we go. Will probably wait until the practice kicks off before I post another update. Check out the "Region Rankings". 2 interesting things of note: R6 looks to be a standout and R3 has moved ahead of R5 (most of us have been dogging on Region 3 for years).

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3 Meade Chris Abernathy 9

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6 SO Chris McKenna 12

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9 St X Max Korfhage 10

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11 Mc Cen Cody Stephens 10

12 Whit Co Zack Bray 12

13 Un Co Robert Smith 8

14 Ryle Jake Erdman 9

15 Walt Colin Roth 10

16 Bou Co Dillon Yeaples 9

17 Con Tristin Badida 8

18 NH Kyle Schults 10

19 JC TJ Bowen 11

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21 Way Co Cecil Nevels 9

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23 Fr Co Marcus Bucerzan 10

24 Cam Co Stephen Maggard 10

25 DH Joey Skaggs 9

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1 Chr Co Jamerian Killebrew 12

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7 HC Mike Whalen 10

8 Whit Co JT Siler 11

9 Moore Edwin Padilla 10

10 Let Co Cen Justin Gross 12

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12 Har Co Anthony Shirley 12

13 TC Naser Eqal 12

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18 CH Nick Coffell 12

19 Hop Travon Thacker 11

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1 Un Co Brock Ervin 10

2 Cam Co Garth Yenter 12

3 Ohio Co Chase Boone 12

4 Ryle Gus Adams 11

5 St X Justin Lampe 10

6 Sou Brian Crawley 11

7 Dan Daniel Lannum 10

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9 JC Josh Jude 10

10 Per Co Cen Brad Williams 12

11 DH Anthony Castellano 12

12 Cen Jared Lynum 12

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16 PRP AJ Roberson 12

17 Chr Co Jeremy Burnham 11

18 Bel Zach Taylor 12

19 Let Co Cen Brandon Gibson 10

20 Walt Jake Higgins 10

21 New Jacob Brett 12

22 Doss Steven Sprowles 12

23 Boy Co Hunter Sheegog 12

24 Ft Knox Andrew Schwartz 11

25 Des Austin Miller 11

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1 Ryle TJ Ruschell 12

2 Cam Co Sean Fausz 10

3 Lar Co Nick Paden 12

4 UH Wade Willen 11

5 Ohio Co Billy Moore 12

6 Fr Co Roderick Agyeman 11

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12 St X Dylan Vish 12

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18 Fair Quinton Newkirk 11

19 Ft Camp David Sahms 11

20 PRP Brad Sturgill 11

21 CH Cody Mardis 11

22 Dan Blake Bowman 12

23 Ft Knox Andre Dean 10

24 Walt Zach Compton 12

25 New Shawn Roberts 12

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1 Gr Co Stephen Myers 11

2 Old Co Tyler Kaelin 12

3 Un Co Chad Gahafer 10

4 Fr Co Josh Lopez 11

5 Lar Co Raymundo Perez 10

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7 Ft Knox Abraham Perez 12

8 Wood Co Shane White 12

9 Walt Logan Jones 10

10 PRP Chad Edwards 11

11 SK Jared Yocum 12

12 Ryle Jake Sander 11

13 Moore Jesus Rosado 11

14 Sou Lazaro Bereguer 12

15 Ohio Co Jacob Bennett 11

16 Chr Co Devante Humphrey 12

17 And Co Blake Curtsinger 12

18 Cen Karlan Groves 12

19 West Jacobi Reed 12

20 BE Reece Beck 12

21 Cam Co Zack Fryer 12

22 Eas Tyler Lancaster 12

23 Let Co Cen Joel Murtaugh 11

24 Per Co Cen Chance Neace 11

25 AB Dakota Sloas 11

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1 Tri John Fahy 12

2 Ryle Corey Ahern 11

3 Fr Co Tevon Clay 11

4 Meade Garrett Kenealy 12

5 Whit Co Stephen Back 12

6 And Co Austin Dillow 12

7 Old Co TJ Schuyler 12

8 JC Jordan Young 10

9 Cam Co Corbin Woods 11

10 Un Co Gabe Ervin 11

11 SK Drew Harris 11

12 NO Loren Avera 12

13 Scott Brandon Robbins 12

14 St X Dominic Lampe 9

15 Mc Cen Larry Sammons 12

16 Boy Co Zach Cope 12

17 Moore Mikey Smith 9

18 WH Jordan Tucker 12

19 Man Brock Moore 12

20 SO Tino Valez 12

21 Mon Co Cody Sutphin 10

22 JH Marquis Fleet 11

23 Wood Co Damon Reed 12

24 DH Josh Crowder 11

25 NH Miguel Barzey 10

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1 SK Kevin Cooper 11

2 Un Co Jayce Carr 11

3 Way Co Luke Troxell 12

4 Chr Co Kory Polley 11

5 Cam Co Paul Hamilton 11

6 St X Hunter French 11

7 Lar Co Caleb Canter 11

8 Wood Co Cory McCall 12

9 UH Colton Hall 11

10 Sou Quincy Jacobs 12

11 Fair Reece Molette-Nowland 12

12 JC Josh Caudill 12

13 Pad Til Justin Wynne 12

14 FC Brandon Cleveland 12

15 Old Co Cody Bishop 12

16 Ryle Johnny Meiman 8

17 NO Mitch Rusch 10

18 Mon Co Gabe McIlrath 11

19 BE Cole Gilbert 12

20 Ohio Co Kyle Bunch 11

21 Mc Cen Josh Phillips 12

22 WH Matt Maxted 12

23 Sc Co Chris Baxter 12

24 And Co Jacob Vincent 12

25 Laf Jon Green 9

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1 Tri Brent Hitchings 12

2 Walt Lane Jones 11

3 JC Jimmy Preston 12

4 Whit Co Scotty Partin 12

5 CH Nick Waits 12

6 Un Co Jake Risinger 12

7 Boy Co Kody Wade 12

8 Dav Co Cory Curtis 10

9 UH Cameron Montgomery 11

10 TC Marshall Aiken 11

11 St X Brandon Pledger 11

12 Lar Co Jared Whitlock 11

13 NH Richard Cote 11

14 Eas Joe Rupp 11

15 And Co Zack Perry 12

16 WH Adam Al-Dbhuny 12

17 Sou Blake O'Neil 12

18 Cald Co Kegan Agnew 10

19 HC(L) Robbie Valdez 12

20 Cam Co Kent Bachman 11

21 Ft Knox Paul Mitchitisch 11

22 Ft Camp Jerry Haywood 11

23 Meade Jonah Shacklet 10

24 Moore Mike Lester 10

25 Fr Co Erik Pina 11

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1 Lar Co Shawn Hull 12

2 Dan Rhodes Bell 12

3 Scott Ryan Sowder 12

4 Bou Co John Stout 12

5 NO Chase Rusch 12

6 JC John Conley 12

7 Wood Co Wyatt Courtney 10

8 Un Co Beau Sheffer 12

9 Meade Cody Hoskins 12

10 St X Kody DeSpain 12

11 Cen Omar Jarvis 12

12 Mc Cen Richard Parriman 12

13 JH Wade Holtsclaw 11

14 Jeff Seron Martin 12

15 HC(L) Jordan Willenborg 11

16 Moore Sam Willbanks 11

17 West Javon Armstrong 12

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19 Way Co Casey Mink 10

20 Ft Knox Steve Traylor 12

21 Tri Ricky Calcedo 12

22 SK Ryan Stevens 12

23 Boy Co JP Robbins 12

24 Eas Kolton Hangsen 10

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1 Fair Jake Maupin 12

2 Wood Co Chad Goodrich 12

3 St X Noah Bauer 11

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14 SK Jacob Clark 12

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20 Eas Deravon Randle 12

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22 Scott Elijah Miller 9

23 Cen Terrell Williams 11

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1 JC JJ Jude 12

2 Coop Sean Caddell 11

3 Tri Co Aaron Stevens 10

4 Moore Justin McDaniel 11

5 HC John Garrett 12

6 Sou Sean Barrett 11

7 WH Donovan Edwards 10

8 Meade Evan Kenealy 11

9 Eas Dominique Bailey 12

10 SK Hiero Chamblee 11

11 Cam Co Travis Stadtmiller 11

12 Un Co Joe Gaines 10

13 Mad Cen Ryan Mosher 12

14 Fair Tyler Goldman 12

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1 Lar Co Bernard Ray 12

2 Gr Co Austin Myers 9

3 Tri Bobby Bryant 11

4 St X William Thompkins 12

5 Whit Co Soloman Vanover 11

6 NH Darius Parrott 10

7 JC Sam Preston 11

8 NO Will Conrad 11

9 AB Tanner Adams 11

10 Eas Kenneth Clark 11

11 Fair Matt Leffler 12

12 Coop Christian Caddell 12

13 Dav Co Zach Mayton 9

14 JH Cameron Mattingly 10

15 Walt Quincy Page 12

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1 Lar Co Drew Newberry 12

2 Tri Brendan Darrow 12

3 Per Co Cen Cody Hollon 12

4 Way Co Jordan Jones 12

5 Whit Co Samuel Vanover 11

6 DH Charlie Cornett 12

7 HC(L) Chad Conway 12

8 And Co Chris Fitzpatrick 12

9 CH Cody Reeser 11

10 Con Trevor Thompson 10

11 Cen Mashille Dozier 11

12 St X Shayne Smith 12

13 Dav Co Ryan Lynn 12

14 Sen Zhanal Mamedov 12

15 Wood Co Wesley Morris 12

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1 NH Aaron House 12

2 Cam Co Mason Franck 12

3 Des Trevor Ford 12

4 Lar Co BJ Carmen 11

5 St X Chris Lawrence 12

6 Old Co Mike Caudill 11

7 Per Co Cen Jared Deaton 12

8 HC(L) Jeremy Glass 12

9 TC Terrell Moore 12

10 SK Colin Patrick 12

11 WH Christian Wilkins 12

12 JC Chase Blevins 11

13 Chr Co David Dawson 12

14 Ryle Jason Maine 11

15 Un Co Raynel Brown 9

16 Meade Alec Mielke 11

17 FC Gabe Lord 11

18 Doss Robert Green 11

19 Dan Elliott Porter 11

20 Fair Anthony Spencer 12

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2 Union Co

3 St. Xavier

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5 Trinity (Louisville)

6 Campbell Co

7 Oldham Co

8 Ryle

9 Simon Kenton

10 Whitley Co

11 Southern

12 Walton Verona

13 Christian Co

14 North Oldham

15 Meade Co

16 Woodford Co

17 Moore

18 Franklin Co

19 Grant Co

20 Fairdale

21 North Hardin

22 Ohio Co

23 Wayne Co

24 Bourbon Co

25 Perry Co Central

26 Danville

27 Anderson Co

28 South Oldham

29 Cooper

30 University Heights

31 Central Hardin

32 Conner

33 Pleasure Ridge Park

34 Central

35 Eastern

36 Holy Cross (Louisville)

37 Henry Clay

38 Western Hills

39 Scott

40 Daviess Co

41 Boyle Co

42 Lafayette

43 McCreary Central

44 Dixie Heights

45 Tates Creek

46 DeSales

47 Trigg Co

48 Fort Knox

49 John Hardin

50 Boone Co

51 Letcher Co Central

52 Ashland Blazer

53 Dupont Manual

54 Caldwell Co

55 Fern Creek

56 Jeffersontown

57 Harrison Co

58 Paul Dunbar

59 Bullitt East

60 Lawrence Co

61 Madison Central

62 Paducah Tilghman

63 Seneca

64 Western

65 Doss

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1 Union Co

2 Larue Co

3 St. Xavier

4 Campbell Co

5 Johnson Central

6 Oldham Co

7 Simon Kenton

8 Southern

9 Trinity (Louisville)

10 Whitley Co

11 North Oldham

12 Anderson Co

13 Meade Co

14 Franklin Co

15 Woodford Co

16 Ohio Co

Region 6 550

Region 2 411

Region 1 387

Region 4 348

Region 8 340

Region 7 287

Region 3 284

Region 5 248

Jayce Carr won't be at 145

Where will he be then ?

how tough do you guys think 182 will be? Outside of Jude this looks like the weakest class to me.

When Jayce made the trip to the Simon Kenton one day clinic.

Pappa Carr told me that Jayce will be back at 132 next year. Said he would have went to Fargo at about that wt., but he was not able to attend the tourney.

Remember Ranger is ony making predictions on where kids are going next year. Most of the Campbell kids are not where they plan on going next year.

So don't get too saddled with what Ranger has postd here. He will have the wt's more closely accurate come December.

When Jayce made the trip to the Simon Kenton one day clinic.

Pappa Carr told me that Jayce will be back at 132 next year. Said he would have went to Fargo at about that wt., but he was not able to attend the tourney.

Remember Ranger is ony making predictions on where kids are going next year. Most of the Campbell kids are not where they plan on going next year.

So don't get too saddled with what Ranger has postd here. He will have the wt's more closely accurate come December.

Okay bulldog. I appreciate the support on one hand, but I think these weights are perfect. Well, not exactly, but I will bet you "most" of the campbell weight are correct. I have 12 guys listed; that means 7 are off. I have talked to that many or more and this is the plan according to their weight and intent.

I guess it really comes down to what Hamilton decides to do. If he goes 145 then you may have it correct. However if he goes 138 (which he has mentioned several times) then someone is out.

Stadtmiller has told Jr. that he is not going to wrestle this year (going to focus on baseball) I hope this does not turn out to be true.

I'm just curuios on how things work out at Campbell. The new wt. system has thrown a monkeywrench in things and I think someone who was varsity last year will not be this year.

14 JH Cameron Mattingly 10 now attends Bullitt Central

And i was told by one of the Bullitt east wrestlers they were not going to have a team this year

Stephen Myers #1 at 132. I see his brother at Austin at 195. These kids are tough as nails and fun to watch. Glad to see them move into the great state of KY from OH. Kinda of sucks for Tyler Kaelin though. I was hoping to see him win a state title. Not too sure if he can get past Stephen. It will be a fun one to watch. Congrats on Grant County getting a couple of studs like these to help get their program up and running.

I guess it really comes down to what Hamilton decides to do. If he goes 145 then you may have it correct. However if he goes 138 (which he has mentioned several times) then someone is out.

Stadtmiller has told Jr. that he is not going to wrestle this year (going to focus on baseball) I hope this does not turn out to be true.

I'm just curuios on how things work out at Campbell. The new wt. system has thrown a monkeywrench in things and I think someone who was varsity last year will not be this year.

I believe stadts is a done deal.

14 JH Cameron Mattingly 10 now attends Bullitt Central

And i was told by one of the Bullitt east wrestlers they were not going to have a team this year

WOW, I wish somebody had informed me of this, lol

WOW, I wish somebody had informed me of this, lol

alright never listening to randy bauer again lol

I will for sure be going 138... i might start off at 45 though

138 in ky will be legit anywhere in the nation I expect whoever runs runs into someone else steph plays ball and doesn't like to cut and fahy is bigger than in yrs past let's just let them all wrestle regardless of weight and give everyone what they want ,sounds fun I have a fresh to throw in the pot and my $ is on him.I will keep the same prediction. For him as I had in oh a 4 x placer and a multiple x champ he will have no challengers his jr or sr yr just like his last 2 yrs in jr high all the kids are good steph fahy cooper etc etc but austin is unique in a. Sport full of unique individuals. He's like a norse god he has wrestled bo and zeke jordan mark martin losing but giving up 3 yrs age difference when others his age would forfeit he has traveled the country and placed and won against the biggest and best exception fargo where he wrestled up in greco to stay big for season and was th e youngest member and double st c hamp on team oh and he is going to be the strongest wrestler ever in ky or oh and peopdoele will love him in ky for his heart justd like they do in oh.can't rank him #2 he's easily the. Best in the state and I'm sure he has the highest nat grade ranking to prove it his brother being next.

And I'm being humble .he's a freak plain and simple and we want 4 regardless of sise and age

And I'm being humble .he's a freak plain and simple and we want 4 regardless of sise and age

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for your kids, I can and will rank Austin #2 (or lower) until I see something on the mat (more than a courageous loss) to change my opinion.

How old is Austin?

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for your kids, I can and will rank Austin #2 (or lower) until I see something on the mat (more than a courageous loss) to change my opinion.

Come on Ranger, surely a Norse God deserves a higher ranking.

Come on Ranger, surely a Norse God deserves a higher ranking.

I can live with the Norse Gods, but wouldn't say I'm overly impressed with them. And on Mondays and Wednesdays I hate them (inside joke).

Brock Moore will be at 126

Do Norse Gods meet the residency requirment?

And I'm being humble .he's a freak plain and simple and we want 4 regardless of sise and age

I am sooo proud of myself. I have been able to hold my tongue so long. But if I am not mistaken all the Norse Gods Thor and Oden included die at the end of the story and only one average man and one average women survive by hiding behind the tree of life.

So if we use that analogy Austin will lose to an average kid and not make his goal.

Your welcome for the free history (mythology) lesson.

Just remember this is the opinion of GOO

Nothing more nothing less.

You can take it or be like my wife and just ingnore me.

GOO OUT.

Well they came down from ASGARD for open matts after football practice last week at Grant CTY perhaps you should ask them yourself and bring some of the kids you want them to wrestle maybe you will get to be a part some new mythology my friend its all fun till someone is left wondering what just happened .I am fine and really very happy for a freshman being ranked 2nd ,but those courageous losses came years ago and he hasnt lost a jr high match in 2 years and has demolished everyone IOWA NAT the MICh Rumble NY 1000 is duals and pinned his way through his last yr untill the finals of state where he had a major win over a retyrning second placer after bumping up about 4 classes and this was in OH .Doesnt matter hwere he is ranked it matters where he ends up and he will end up at the top of a few state podiums .glad to be back in ky

Funny the norse mythology i read had MODI and MAGNI surviving .the sons of Thor no charge for the free mythology lesson HAHAH

OK I stand slightly corrected.

Some minor dieties survived Ragnorok but none of the major Gods. (Unless you count the ones resurrected). Plus the two humans who repopulated the world.

Just poking some fun.

Point is very few of us know about or have seen Stephen let alone Austin wrestle.

I know their credentials. but making bold statements don't go over too easy here in the Bluegrass.

We always get a bad rap when it comes to wrestling. Mr. Hall came here and tried to win a title as a 7th grader. He came close but was stopped. (until he went elswere and remained a 7th grader).

I hope your wishes come true for your kids. I don't really have a dog in this fight. GOO Jr. does not have the competitivness for becoming that great. Arrrghhh. (not much more I can do about it "it is what it is")

I don't like much argueing about predictions we will find out soon enough. I'll save my predictions till I see both of them wrestle again this year.

Good luck.

GOO out.

Well they came down from ASGARD for open matts after football practice last week at Grant CTY perhaps you should ask them yourself and bring some of the kids you want them to wrestle maybe you will get to be a part some new mythology my friend

Man can't you see my picture up there on the upper left. Ole GOO ain't makin no mythology no more.

I don't care who they wrestle I just like watching a good match. I'm not dissing anyone. I just like to stir the pot a little but you make it much to easy to stir. (Dang I just had to keep going didn't I) Ahhh well were all adults here anyway.

We are all here on this Earth to have fun not fight. Just think we all lose in the end anyway, everyone dies.

GOO out.

Sorry you feel that way goo no one really dies in my opinion.surprised no one has seen them wrestle steph won swoca 2 x easily and a ky grade school state a few. Yrs back wrestled camp cty last year has wrestled at conner a few times as well as ryle.yes people in ky have seen them a lot wrestled in ky fr gr state a couple yrs back and a wrestled a bunch of ky tourneys ryle simon kenton campbell cty.I know I get carried away many times on purpose I don't mind I like almost all the kids I meet and enjoy heping them all if I can and get ticked when people trie to play me or angles to down my kids and oh yeah austin is 15 and will stun everyone in this state as eaasily as he did the nation tech majored and pinned every kid in every jr high nat tourny he did in the last 2 yrs.he will do it here in ky as well may be tough for a big fresh but he will win your hearts with his .

Odins brothers vidar vali and ve survived as well .just saying .

I am glad to see interest taken in the sport I have always been impressed with the kids who work hard I will be cheering for many of them .hopefully the best all win titles and I will help anyone I can .I have seen the jones bros kevin cooper and tj for years they all work hard and yenter is a beast at cc hope they all bring back titles to nky along with my boys as well.

How about some sub titles or a translator for this guy above me ^

Hello to mr nky3x I have a nice mat room and two sons weighing 138 and 148 the younger one is the heavier.They workout daily but enjoy getting to wrestle someone other than each other and you and your sons are welcome to come workout.We are in the southend of louisville,we are a usa club so we like everyone to have a usa card. Hope you can make it sometime jeff lampe

Keep in touch and we will try to make it .sounds good I have some good workouts as well .nice post

Translation=who's team are you a part of

Hawkeye?

Austin Myers can make 182 195 or go 220.he went 209 last yr for the sole purpose of comp he pinned or teched eveyone he wrestled at 171 before the 3rd period so he bumped up for the ow .he won 146 the previous yr .probably goes 19o whatever it is unless there is better comp at another weight.

Stephen went 125 but certified at112.6 so he could have went119 or made 112 had he tried he wants to get bigger but he can go 126 132 138 145 or more I have seen him wrestle some ky state placers in heavier weights and do very well I would like him at 126 but he will go 138 or 145 he's a linebacker and noseguard on d so he can hang with the big boys and then some.done commenting on him for a while.

When we get our schedule I will see who is ranked where and when we meet I plan on austin wrestling the toughest opponents he can be it 220 or 182 if his cuts are reasonable he has a good big coach in shearer to go with and learn from and some good big boys on the team to push him we want 4 state titles and 4 state powelifting records along with 4 free years in college wrestling and playing ball and as for the guy who said they don't like bragging in ky .it ain't bragging if its true and I met and hung out with a guy once from ky they used to call Clay but now call Ali who would disagree with you.haha talk the talk walk the walk and have fun doing it .best of luck to everyone this season and whenever anyone wants to wrestle or see my boys wrestle anyone simply tell me and bring them and its done same as always.

WOW is his guy for real?

Ali bragged about himself. Let your kids do the bragging not you. I don't care if you did coach them you still did not do the deeds. I have never taken credit for nor bragqed about anything athletes I coached have accomplished. I prefer they get the glory where it is deserved. And I don't see anyone on here doubting what your kids can or have done, my guess is that they already respect them.

I have no doubt about what they have accomplished, bragging is insecurity or a need to feel important. Just because Ali did it doesn't make it right. Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, stil don't make it right.

Maybe we should match this parent with the one at Simon, and they can get in trouble in the stands together.

Ha ha I like you and And Ali had a corner man he learned to talk smack from.No my kids hate when I talk s&it because I raised them that way, to be respectful and humble and they know as I do any kid can be beaten any day .and despite all the bs and propaganda I rarely loose my cool ,no need too lol I simply stated facts rankings are fun but you can't rank a kid anywhere untill they are certified at a weight and even then they caan go elsewhere .sorry just having fun no disrespect to anyone .I know what dad you are talking about and don't make the mistake of comparing dad or kids .

Well I have enjoyed reading these posts and I will have to say that I don't see anything wrong with bragging on your kids. My mom use to brag on me all the time to anyone who would listen. I wish she was still here to brag on me, it's what makes parent and child relationships speacial. My hat is off to you sir and I welcome the opportunity to see your boys wrestle and if either of them wrestle one of my kids I will simply tell them that they put their singlet on one leg at a time too and that no one is unbeatable then I will send them onto the mat to give 100%! Good luck to everyone this season!

I have no need to state what team I'm from other than I will tell you that I'm not a hawkeye fan but I like the nick name hence why the picture of Hawkeye from M.A.S.H. Also why do you want to know what team I'm from?

I'm glad there is some agreement on this board about bragging on our kids. My son was awarded the top academic student for his entire grade the last two years running, both 5th and 6th grade. He also competed in a regional math competition that included seventeen schools and around eighty participants, and he finished second. Now if his academic achievements could carry over into wrestling

Well wrestling will end one day for your kid ,brains usually outdoes brawn congrats to him,now make him train harder so his brawn matches his brains,

Its all good i pretty much know i will get blasted and saw it coming particularly from the haters who will certainly follow us in order to make life rough for us in our new state ,sorry for my pre emptive comments as always i will take up for my kids and all the kids i know ,just rooting for the hometeam ,as for wrestling anyone can catch anyone on any given day it happens nothing is written in stone and no match no matter where or what tournament it is in can determine just how good a wrestler really is different kids match up better against certain wrestlers ,but when you have kids who have wrestled more higher calibre kids with totally different styles and still come out on top you have a great wrestler.

Mr NKY, honestly I would encourage your youngest son to drop to 195 if he can make it because that is where the better competetion is this year. 220 (215) has been down the past few years, 2009 was the last year where there were some real tough kids in it. Its just a suggestion trying to help you guys make a better decision on what weight for him to go. Most of the top 6 ranked kids at 195 this year I believe have been or are state placers.

Your Norse God Austin needs to wrestle JJ Jude, if he can make the weight and catch him there.

Your Norse God Austin needs to wrestle JJ Jude, if he can make the weight and catch him there.

I'll have to say if Austin is anywhere close to the wrestler his brother is then Jude will not have a chance. Jude is a bull for sure but I think he needs to work on his technique more.

I don't think that I am a Jude hatter, I just want to see some great wrestling and not just a great fighter, (which is what Jude is in my opinion)

MrNky3X: you just Wowed me again. Those last two posts were maybe the best two posts I have seen from you so far. Maybe you are just here to stir the pot and not the rear end everyone want to believe you are.

I'll have to say if Austin is anywhere close to the wrestler his brother is then Jude will not have a chance. Jude is a bull for sure but I think he needs to work on his technique more.

I don't think that I am a Jude hatter, I just want to see some great wrestling and not just a great fighter, (which is what Jude is in my opinion)

MrNky3X: you just Wowed me again. Those last two posts were maybe the best two posts I have seen from you so far. Maybe you are just here to stir the pot and not the rear end everyone want to believe you are.

The great fighter is ranked 16th in the country amoungst wrestlers at 182lbs.

My link

My link

Try this link

The great fighter is ranked 16th in the country amoungst wrestlers at 182lbs.

My link

OK whats your point. He is a good enough fighter to be ranked 16th in this ranking system.

We all know rankings are based on touneys you attend, and your high school career, and since he wrestles in ky he has a padded record compared to other kids. Same goes for most of the other KY kids. Unless their team spends most of their time in one of the big wrestling states such as Ohio like Ryle, Campbell, and Simon. (and even then they spend most of thier time in SW ohio which is not the best in Ohio.)

What ranking system would you be referring to, thats nationally which is exactly mr nky 3x is looking for.

It's rather funny how you praise the idiot that does these rankings then you downplay rankings that are actually based on results! Fact is JJ is the best kid anywhere near Austins weight in the state.The wrestler with the padded record and no results to back his ranking is the kid ranked ahead of Austin!!

OK whats your point. He is a good enough fighter to be ranked 16th in this ranking system.

We all know rankings are based on touneys you attend, and your high school career, and since he wrestles in ky he has a padded record compared to other kids. Same goes for most of the other KY kids. Unless their team spends most of their time in one of the big wrestling states such as Ohio like Ryle, Campbell, and Simon. (and even then they spend most of thier time in SW ohio which is not the best in Ohio.)

Off the top of my head I believe Jude has attended NHSCA Nationals the last 2 years and performed pretty well. That is the basis of his national ranking, not his KY record.

I'll have to say if Austin is anywhere close to the wrestler his brother is then Jude will not have a chance. Jude is a bull for sure but I think he needs to work on his technique more.

I think when you have a kid who is as powerful as Jude is, it becomes easy to lose sight of the technique they may actually have. Sometimes you become so captivated by the power in which they hit moves, you don't see the technique that may be involved. Just my opinion anyway.

Well Austin is weighing around 215 and change and the state is waiting for a heavy unlike any other and that's what I think he will shoot for and 182 is a big cut so it looks like 195 will be it so I expect it is possible I do not know jude but I have seen austin wrestle gresham and korb when he was lighter last yr and kept them at bay for a while and I think he has changed quite a bit I plan on having more to do with austin than stephen and what people fail to realise is that with the exception of fargo austin has always outdone stephen in grade school tulsa jr high and I'm sure he's ranked higher as afresh than steph was !!a fresh at at 195 wrestling a nationaly ranked upperclassmen will have it rough but what ranking, there are about a dosen or so austin is an oh jr high ow and 3 x tulsa top 3 placer and champ has had better coaches than anyone in ky and wrestled more and better kids than anyone in his grade in ky"no disrepect austin was the youngest of the original prodigy jr high kids he wrestled club jr high as a4th grader"hhe has been coached by cincys best and some of the nations best ever wrestlers .Ware,Hazewinkel,and all the other prodigy coaches all through jr high and part of grade schoool by Root and Waylon Lowe ,no kid in oh or ky has had that kind of training + a brother like steph and some other relatives with about 2 dosen state titles in other sports along with friends coaches and personal trainers unlike any kid in the country. It should be good and as for fighting he's a former naga state champ not that it matters win or lose he wins it sounds like to me if jude is as good as they say no fresh can handle him .

There you have it Austin vs Jude ,stephen vs whoever Fahy on up.let's have some fun and make some noise !!!doesn't matter to me Austin is going to be the most dominant wrestler in the state ever .

What ranking system would you be referring to, thats nationally which is exactly mr nky 3x is looking for.

It's rather funny how you praise the idiot that does these rankings then you downplay rankings that are actually based on results! Fact is JJ is the best kid anywhere near Austins weight in the state.The wrestler with the padded record and no results to back his ranking is the kid ranked ahead of Austin!!

I would be referring to any of the dozen ranking systems you can find. I looked at a couple of others (I used the Google machine) KY is not represented in hardly any of the others.

I have NOT praised the Idiot (which would be Ranger) who does these rankings. I fault all rankings. I have seen Mr. Jude wrestle since he was in Jr. high. Never have I been impressed with his technique, he beats kids who are beter technicians than himself several times. I always ask "how does he keep winning".

I have not seen Austin wrestle but I have seen his brother wrestle. As I said if he is anywhere near as good as his brother I believe he wins hands down.

As for whoever is ranked above Austin I don't know who is ranked above him I rarely actually look at the rankings. I may look for a familiar name or look for what wt. class someone is wresling, but I never like to take someone elses word for it, I like to make my own decisions. And I actually care less where they are ranked nationaly because I am not going to watch any of those other kids in other states. I only watch KY kids and Cincy kids. (i'm a hommer, GO REDS< GO BENGALS< GO UC< GO XAVIER<

Once I have seen Austin wrestle then I will be able to make a better judgement on my opinion.

Well I saw thos.clinch rankings they are hillarious ,let me explain how rankings work its all up to who does them and when and where and who a kid wrestles ,having Stephen at 14 is ignorant he beat Tuma a fargo greco champ easily 2 yr ago, he placed way ahead of Bight and beat the kid who beat him at state at that tournament the year before last and has beaten him badly the last 2 times they wrestled and stephen went undefeated last yr and split with keener losing by 1 winning by 5 same with Dance who is 1 at a lower weight steff lost to him by 1 then beat him by 5 the yr before last then went undefeated last yr so those rankings are just a hunch and steff beat many ranked ahead of him and has no losses to those under him so they are whack.

Now as for Jude and Austin hahah there are no fresh in that weight who are ranked but Brooks Climmons is Ranked 9 in the class Jude is ranked 16 and since Austin is a fresh and there are no fresh ranked there let me explain just how he is overlooked ,Austin beat Climmons at the cadet national duals yr before this so he has beaten a kid ranked way ahead of Jude and improved and stayed undefeated in folkstyle since then same goes for Stephen ,those rankings are ok but stephen has beaten kids ranked way aheaad of him and lots of em,and Austin is a fresh who dominated jr high in Oh and has wins against kids in the top ten at his weight and isn't mentioned because he's a fresh ,I could dig and find plenty more examples but it was funny just using the one handed to me on this sight.

You will find I base my comments on facts and what I have seen rather than hype and propaganda many kids in rankings have great coahes who push for those rankings and padded schedules that get them there other kids are way better but get overlooked despite better records and bigger wins .

Now I,m a bit pissed and more confident than ever Austin will be looking for 4 state titles and Stephen has easily the most impressive wrestling recoord and history in the state those rankings are a bit off and prove it.haha anymore comparisons or rankings out there

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for your kids, I can and will rank Austin #2 (or lower) until I see something on the mat (more than a courageous loss) to change my opinion.

No disrespect but would you like to hear about some major wins since those losses being a fresh you underestimated and overlooked him because of his grade he has the better recrord against better. opponents and easily the best record in major tournaments. Against nationally ranked and level kids .don't know the kid you have ahead of him but doubt he has a resume like Austins same goes for everyone listed in your rankings .but I'm used to it stephens fresh yr the rankers on yappi didn't even rank him in the top 60 in cincy and he was a AA in fargo with the best jr high record ever in cincy and ended up with the best record in the city and the highest placer ever from any cincy kid in any grade at Iron man or powerade the best underclassmen w.restler in the history of the city as well as a double AA at the end of the year.the best record and most impressive yr of any kid in the state and got very little recognition for it because people were mad they underestimated him and I called them on it ahead of time .

I didn't simply say I thought Austin was #1 because he's my best friend and son I said it because he has earned it many times over on the matt .

Rankings or not let me simplify JJ Jude is the ONLY KID IN THIS STATE that is going to wrestle with Austin Myer.

No other kid near Austins weight will give him a match!!!

No disrespect, but even if Austin wins state this year, no one will be that impressed. The new weight classes made Kentucky's already weak upper weights even weaker. Winning state would be a great accomplishment but will not build his resume as Kentucky's best ever. If you want that it will need to be earned elsewhere.

Well he has wrestled in every major wrestling state and nearly every major and the biggest wrestling tournaments in youth and jr high wrestling and done very very well so I guess elsewhere isn't an obstacle for him either .not going to list them but I doubt any one in ky has ever wrestled the schedule he had over the years and I'm sure no one did as well particularly the last few yrs .Iowa gold east coast nat gold tulsa win and top 3 placings mich rumble gold oh jr high state 2 wand a runner up to jordan and an ow .oh cadet state champ fr and gr,nat duals gold,danville nat gold team jordan,just like stephen undefeated.usa top 3, ranking intermat top 10 jr high ranking and they only do 15 places in all of jr high.had wins against ny.mich.cal.ind.and every other state champ at the mich rumble and 1000 is duals.

The most impressive thing he has ever done though was winning 146 1 yr then 209 the next at jr high state now everyone knows why he didn't cut for fargo time to grow.and its going to be awesome I dieted him for yrs knowing he would be a big boy one day and that the skills he would pick up wrestling studs in the lower classes would make him an incredibly tough upper weight and now it all starts to pay off .by his jr and sr yrs no one touches him raider and that means any where ky oh penn mich .get the picture.he's already been there and done that in jr high so its just going to be a repeat performance.

I'v seen Austin plenty. I don't doubt his abilities. Just saying I wish he was at a school where he was getting a better schedule and a better chance to prove his abilities. You guys wrestling across the river any?

Dont get me wrong I like to make predictions myself. Mostly because I like to say "I told you so" if i'm right.

However we must remember that things change and unforseen events happen. A young boy who was drafted by the Boston Redsox a while ago was overlooked by everyone because they didn't think he would be a very goood ballplayer. Babe Ruth became one of the greatest of all time.

Another young man was told by his math teacher that he would never be a good mathmatician or be a very good student. Alert Einstien then became one of the greatest minds of all time.

Look at our home teams in Cincy. John Kitna was to become the new savior a few years back. A kid named Adam Hyzo was going to be the next Willie Mays (i'm not sure he ever made it to the majors.)

Things happen kids, adults loose interest or thier desire. No one can predict it. Other gian a desire that is not matched by anyone else. For your sons sake I hope your predictions come true. The same way I hope that all the parents predictions of their kids come true, howeve they all will not come true.

Let the season begin, it can't come soon enough

Points well taken as for the burnout it has been thrown at me for yrs and never. Theh appened but the teen tude sure sucks and could cost someone but not Austin the schedule is being worked out and in ky he should actually get more matches than in oh.there is no one in cincy that can hang with him except gresham and he is way ahead of the pack .there are some I want him to go wiith but trust me the powers that be in cincy will run and try to keep us out of their tournys steph won swowca easily every yr and they both dominated cincy for yrs ,it would be niice to hit some tournys further north though and I am trying to get them into some tougher nat tournys .It won't matter people running,we will chase them down and those avoiding them on purpose using their team being new as an excuse will get it at regionals and state .I think our coach is opting for as many tornys as possible for the matches rather than one here and there at duals and I have my boys wprking with some kids who were on the bubble last yr who will be on the podium this yr or next depending on the season,my boys will not be the only guns in town and grant cty will not live and die by them like a certain school in oh does by its sole wrestler haha.

I expect some bumps but I also expect another title for steph before he's done and at least 2 for his brother and that is me being honest its a new experience but we have had many of those more so than anyone they will wrestle and they haven't stopped them yet. .Grant cty will have its first state champs its first two and its first brother pair of state champs ky gets a pair of nationally ranked and level kids who were ky kids to begin with.and by god I will get to be in the corner like I was promised and lied to about last yr when they win it .

And I plan on having my youngest be the best ever in ky and outdo his brothers ,honestly though I doubt he has stephens skill ,no one I have seen does not that he's the best but he has and has been given the best tools by god and his training.its just up to him what he does with them.no bragging at all every coach and teaam he has been on will agree..

Hopefully he's a mix some of stephens skill and austins heart that would be incredible.

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Points well taken as for the burnout it has been thrown at me for yrs and never. Theh appened but the teen tude sure sucks and could cost someone but not Austin the schedule is being worked out and in ky he should actually get more matches than in oh.there is no one in cincy that can hang with him except gresham and he is way ahead of the pack .there are some I want him to go wiith but trust me the powers that be in cincy will run and try to keep us out of their tournys steph won swowca easily every yr same goes for every tourny he did at Reading andin the CHL last yr and the yr before in the gcl at moelle except iron man and powerade where he was the highest HS placer in the history of cincy won cit and all the tournys on moes schedule easily and outdid their srs and broke all their underclassmen records and then some and then smashed all of readings records easily going unbeaten .they both dominated cincy for yrs ,it would be niice to hit some tournys further north though and I am trying to get them into some tougher nat tournys .It won't matter people running,we will chase them down and those avoiding them on purpose using their team being new as an excuse will get it at regionals and state .I think our coach is opting for as many tornys as possible for the matches rather than one here and there at duals and I have my boys wprking with some kids who were on the bubble last yr who will be on the podium this yr or next depending on the season,my boys will not be the only guns in town and grant cty will not live and die by them like a certain school in oh does by its sole wrestler haha.

I expect some bumps but I also expect another title for steph before he's done and at least 2 for his brother and that is me being honest its a new experience but we have had many of those more so than anyone they will wrestle and they haven't stopped them yet. .Grant cty will have its first state champs its first two and its first brother pair of state champs ky gets a pair of nationally ranked and level kids who were ky kids to begin with.and by god I will get to be in the corner like I was promised and lied to about last yr when they win it .

And I plan on having my youngest be the best ever in ky and outdo his brothers ,honestly though I doubt he has stephens skill ,no one I have seen does not that he's the best but he has and has been given the best tools by god and his training.its just up to him what he does with them.no bragging at all every coach and teaam he has been on will agree..

Hopefully he's a mix some of stephens skill and austins heart that would be incredible.

And yeah I like rubbing it in Reading was a ridiculous sham ran by a clique of coaches more interested in keeping the light on their past glories and taking credit for a kids accomplishments that they had absolutely nothing to do with in order to retain some status in the sport and comunity ,they failed to notice the whole world saw through them immediatly and their failure to give their greatest champ and possibly the best ever in he cityt any recognition made them look envious and idiotic and exposed dirty good old boys way of doing things.And poor moeller was too worried about a kid outshinning its upperclassmen stars when they failed to notice just what they had and would have had coming but they traded the 2 best ever for a group of so so prima donnas that I had the pleasure of watching my sons beat and outdo right up till we crossed the river to Ky .none of the fab fresh from moe came close to my boys records in jr high and none have or will come close to matching their records in HS and we will cross the river like those old rebel horse soldiers from long ago and wreak havok on them ,like we did the last ten yrs whenever we want.

Funny, everything went exactly as planned for yrs and no one seemed to notice that I did and my boys accomplished everything we set out to do and I told everyone yrs in advance what I was doing and what we had planned and most people were to busy reading the hype and bs or hating on me to notice how well it went for us

Raider if you have seen Austin plenty then you know it doesn't matter he can stay home and wrestle his brother "and he has in the past"and beat EVERYONE we were booted from prodigy when their coach was let go wrestled in our basement for 3 monthsand steph won jr high state and beat Collica and Austin made finals.

Austin didn't really wrestle for anyone last yr and won the OW at state while Stephen spent more time coaching. than being coached in a room with no one to push him or show him anything and he went 49 n 0 on a team that his jr high brother embarrased at will pinning anyone Near his weight. and would have pinned everyone in his HS leauge from 152 andup.so all they need is at home if need be I mean seriously you already know this so what's your point

Please don't talk smack about better rooms or try and be negative just say what you are thinking or get to your point and don't worry your team will survive after a couple of your kids get done looking at the lights at the end of their match with Steph and Austin.

Sorry to be an ass if I am wrong but I think you are beating around the bush and have an agenda ,yeah I wish my kids were on a tougher team with a great schedule and studs to go with but they are studs can go with each other and there, is something magical about being apart of a new underdog team while being a bit of an outcast .

Its like being Arthur and Lancelot ,welcome to Camelot Raider our room isn't in need our opponents rooms are we are OK are You .

First off, Middle school is different than high school just like high school is different than college. Some kids have a limit to which they reach and they stop improving; then there are those kids who don't start to show improvement and peak at a later time around their junior or senior year. I had it happen to me; I started peaking my junior year and still hadn't reached the very top yet when I stopped wrestling. Second, we're tired of all the bragging and all of the listing of credentials so stop already. Let your boy's actions speak louder than your words.

ok I'm sorry a lot of people may not know what's going on .first off this is a ranking thread and u can't rank someone if you don't know what they have done .second thing people are waiting to bushwwack us for one reason or another be they ohio people hating because they were beaten and we left or ky people hating because of Oh or people dancing around issues that's on their minds.

As for being told the difference about grade school jr high and highschool wrestling I have heard it all before and been there as well and mister there are jr high kids who can win HS titles and matches I had /have 2 and know more,you cannot tell me anything about it.The kid in ? Has wrestled in HS open tournaments since 6th grade and won nearly every time and all those he did last yr

Won Mt st joe hs div as a 6th grader kings island .lebanon duals.edgewood.he has beaten nationally ranked hs kids in these tournaments he did loose by a point 2 yrs ago at 1000 is duals to a ny champ when he wrestled 2 div and beat a ny jr high champ the same day.

I guess if it makes you feel any better thinking success in jr high and grade school doesn't carry over then feel great. But that myth has been debunked there is no magic wall that ends some kids winning ways hard work and yrs of training stay with someone even if you slack off a bit or hit a bump its muscle memory and its for real not based on someones hope of a stud dropping of so their favorite can avoid a loss

Nice Rankings Ranger I know its hard and there Is always debate and I'm sure you know a lot of the kids.thanks for your hard work and giving us all something to go by and read about .good job sorry to brag so much lol

In ten or eleven years from now when the state tournament is full of Grant Cty kids ,please remind me how youth success doesn't carry over.lmao

Raider if you have seen Austin plenty then you know it doesn't matter he can stay home and wrestle his brother "and he has in the past"and beat EVERYONE we were booted from prodigy when their coach was let go wrestled in our basement for 3 monthsand steph won jr high state and beat Collica and Austin made finals.

Austin didn't really wrestle for anyone last yr and won the OW at state while Stephen spent more time coaching. than being coached in a room with no one to push him or show him anything and he went 49 n 0 on a team that his jr high brother embarrased at will pinning anyone Near his weight. and would have pinned everyone in his HS leauge from 152 andup.so all they need is at home if need be I mean seriously you already know this so what's your point

Please don't talk smack about better rooms or try and be negative just say what you are thinking or get to your point and don't worry your team will survive after a couple of your kids get done looking at the lights at the end of their match with Steph and Austin.

Sorry to be an ass if I am wrong but I think you are beating around the bush and have an agenda ,yeah I wish my kids were on a tougher team with a great schedule and studs to go with but they are studs can go with each other and there, is something magical about being apart of a new underdog team while being a bit of an outcast .

Its like being Arthur and Lancelot ,welcome to Camelot Raider our room isn't in need our opponents rooms are we are OK are You .

I made two points in relation to your kids. First, before you posted on this site, I doubted that your boys would end up at Grant Co. I assumed that the 60 lb difference in their weights meant they could no longer be effective partners for each other. I think I mentioned I thought you would land at SK, CC, Ryle or Walton. Those programs seemed to be more in line with the schools and programs you've been involved with in the past. It turns out I was wrong about that.

Second, I don't think the upper weights in KY are very strong. I think Austin will need to go out of state to get quality wins. I have no idea what Grant. Co schedule is, that's why I asked if you could post it.

Neither of those are in any way negative toward your kids.

I think what Hawkeye is refering to is the saying "Middle school studs make high school duds".

There is a reason why this happens to many middle school wrestlers. Many middle school wrestlers don't learn good technique, they rely on their strenght, meanness, and determination. The more physically mature kids usualy have success in middle school, but when they get to high school their opponents catch up to them and they start to decline.

If you have a middle schooler who has not relied on these things and has worked on his technique then he will usualy be more successful in high school than middle school. I did this with my sons and they were not very successful middle school wrestlers, they won more than they lost and usually placed at every tourney but never won a middle school title. I did not allow them to lose wt. so that they would wrestle kids bigger than themselves so they had to learn technique. Now they have been successful high school wrestlers and have passed many of the middle school kids that were more successfull than them in middle school.

Hawkeye: Sometimes middle school studs make high school studs, example (Kevin Cooper, Jayce Carr, Brad Irvin, Sean Fausz, Clay Brown, Garth Yenter)

and by god I will get to be in the corner like I was promised and lied to about last yr when they win it.

I misseed this comment.

2 problems here.

1: Whatever coach promised you this must have just been trying to get your kids on the team. Unless you are on the coaching staff, a parent has no business in the corner of a high school wrestling match.

2: If this was allowed to happen it could/would open a whole new can of worms, every parent would want to be in the corner with their kid in the finals (who wouldn't)

If you are on the coaching staff at Grant Co. I hope you get your wish. I also hope you help Matt with his team at Grant Co. Mr. Shearer was a great wrestler in his time but has been out of it for a long time and needs someone to bring him up to date. Matt and I go back loger than I can remember ,and I hope him and his whole team a great season (except when they wrestle my kids )

Ok well my my sons won grade school titles and everyone said jr higjh they would burnout then they won more jr highh titles than anyone ever in the history of cincy first Stephen Then Austin doing even better than him ,then haters said they would burnout in high schoo,And Stephen AA ,then double AA,and became the highest placer in two of the toughest tournys in the nation ever underclassmen or not and won every in state tourny withease for two yrs except his first state tourny and it was a bit fishy .so uh......I don't know what point this middle school stud = Highhschool dud comment means haha sounds like wishful thinking but its already too late most middle school studs I knew are now nationallyranked matt gods and legends,Jordans,Taylors all of em.Squire ,and yeah Myers who along with his brother was the only 3x district champ in jr high. And OW winner at jr high state ever from cincy along with blowout wins at jr high nationals.to late to be a HS dud after you have already been ranked for three yrs in the top 20 in the nation and collected a score of D 1 college letters. Won state and AA 3 x wouldn't you say??????

As for coaching I have coached over a 1000 matches and coached youth at Colerain,Loveland,MoellerEccw,south west ohio all stars,Prodigy, and my own kids when they were not on teams. And I have been nationally certified to coach all youth sports .I have coached every style been In the corners when my kids and others won numerous state and national titles in every style all 3 styles in KY as well .While I'm the first person to say I'm not the best coach in the world or even close I have seen worse and a whole lot more who have never had or never will have the success I have had in the corner and most will never make the tournys I have. Been too. While I'm not the best coach I have more experience coaching and being around national level kids than almost any HS coach you will ever meet and I have trained some of the best athletes on the planet and 2 of the best grade school middle school and High Schoo Wrestlers in the sport.

Yeah its dirty when they promise you stfuff to get your kids to a school then and lie about it ,Reading was horrible with lies and promisesand Moeller was OK they just didn't push enough and were to worried about next yrs recruits and babying others. Jmo,

As for being a parent in the corner I do not think I am an ordinary parent but that is also jmo. I want to coach one of the best youth teams in the state and create champions and of course I want to be with my kids who wouldn't, the difference between me and most dads even those who coach is my knowledge of training and what it takes to win and I'm not just a guy who pushes a kid and has never trained hard themselves I understand sacrifice all to well.

Hopefully we can start a youth and jr high program to go along with the Hs I'm sure it won't take long till there are some grade school and jr high state champs from Grant Cty .I pretty much guarantee it if I have any say and I think I might.

Matt is doing great things and is figuring it all out I am sure it takes a lot to coach a HS team he was a great wrestler and has been away a while but I am sure the desire is there and that goes a long way and he has a kid on his team that is a storehouse of knowledge and likes helping others there will be a big change over the next couple years at Grant cty the parents and kids want a great team youth on up and hopefully they get it and there are plenty of people who want to help.

Believing is the first step in achieving .I would like to train every kid in the state because I know I'm the best at what I do and I would make Ky the toughest wrestling / whatever sport state in the country and if I get to coach some little braves it won't be long untill people are talking about a whole bunch of wrestlers from Grant cty not just a few be it good or bad they will be talking about kids who are winning.

"I think what Hawkeye is refering to is the saying "Middle school studs make high school duds".

There is a reason why this happens to many middle school wrestlers. Many middle school wrestlers don't learn good technique, they rely on their strenght, meanness, and determination. The more physically mature kids usualy have success in middle school, but when they get to high school their opponents catch up to them and they start to decline.

If you have a middle schooler who has not relied on these things and has worked on his technique then he will usualy be more successful in high school than middle school. I did this with my sons and they were not very successful middle school wrestlers, they won more than they lost and usually placed at every tourney but never won a middle school title. I did not allow them to lose wt. so that they would wrestle kids bigger than themselves so they had to learn technique. Now they have been successful high school wrestlers and have passed many of the middle school kids that were more successfull than them in middle school.

Hawkeye: Sometimes middle school studs make high school studs, example (Kevin Cooper, Jayce Carr, Brad Irvin, Sean Fausz, Clay Brown, Garth Yenter)"

Thats what I was talking about cc. It happens quite a bit in KY, you'll see kids that only have one move and thats a cowboy which will bring them success in the middle school ranks but when they move up to high school, it doesn't work out that great at all. I do know that middle school studs can be high school studs; I never said there wasn't any high school studs that weren't also middle school studs.

Raider ,sorry if I took your post the wrong way ,I never said we were going anywhere I knew Ryle had a great team and seems to be on the best track for success as is CC and I went to CC so I liked the thought of my kids going there but my wife is from Grant and you know how that goes lol as for being around the same schedule and teams honestly there wasnt much to gain from it my sons have wrestled everyone in the area in cincy over the years and they either run or they have beaten them numerous times to the point of boredom not bragging stephen beat everyone around his weight in cincy the last 6 yrs with ease even swowca even at state last yr same with Austin I know saying it will p some people off but its true it was our and my goal to make it that way and we did .I mean he went to swowca last yr was taunted by his former team about a match that they were going to win against him saying he would lose to someone he has beaten numerous times already and has talked smack before and then ran and what happens the kid runs again and even loses bumping up to avoid steff when it would have been the match of the year at swowca between two eventual state champs .its just how dirty it is there is no reason or benifit in even being there anymore other than the awesome comp furthere north and the best room in the country at graham where my boys should have went to school to begin with ,just being honest.

Not so sure I agree with the wrestling up comment for teaching a kid technique in oh the studs are lighter and I actually dieted austin hard to avoid the slow less skilled athletes in the upper weights so he would be forced to wrestle using speed and other moves heavies rarely use being good is better than being a winner and now he will use that skill to dominate heavies .

In practice it is good but you have to go with kids your sise as well moves and leverage and angles are different on kids that are different sises and you need to be used to that for kids you will wrestle in tournys that are your own sise

As for the schedule it is different in ky they use weigh inns instead of points so of course you want tournys instead of duals and more tournys means more matches so we want all the tournys we can get.

As for partners even though they are different sises not many kids and none at ryle or cc can go like they do together they have drilled together for over a decade its beautiful when they take it seriously and they have a little extra brotherly love they throw into it that makes it nice when they wretle live.Hamilton is a good drill partner for Stephen but doesn't bang quite like him and austin do and I doubt ryle has anyone any different.To be honest I always liked Cooper from Simon Kenton he is a good wrestler and can go he and my boys would have made a nice trio at state it would have been awesome having them all train together all year .Yenter and Tj are good but not big enough and maybe not physical enough to train with my boys .not sure if austin has anyone his sise but I know stephen and cooper can wrestle up and hang with anyone in a room regardless of sise but I will have to come up with something because austin is growing and is a big fresh.oh yeah I forgot his coach is Matt Shearer I think he's a big boy .haha that's the bonus of Grant cty a big coach who obviously will mesh with my younger boy sure they will be great drill partners and Matt is a former state champ himself who wants to coach state champs and is hungry for success at a new program and we have known each other a very long time so the respect and understanding of what we are trying to accomplish is there .we want a great team and great champions and while he is very low key he still understands my exuberance and appreciates my energy and tactics even though his own are opposite he could care less about talking smack while I never shut up and talk so much it has to get backed up.

I hope to change some attitudes that a smaller country school should just settle for being so so or not so good in some things its annoying and veery dangerous way of thinking and I will not let it catch I hope to go the opposite way make evereyone feel they can win because they have some champs and because I know they can win and hopefully they do as well.

that's the reason for my attitude and comments in response to the other schools having better rooms or partners ,schedules whatever there are advantages at Grant as well ,I mean I could just as easily say why don't you come to Grant cty we have a schedule that the coach can choose ,a team no one is really focusing on and 2 nationally ranked kids to go with.kind of a first step on the road to creating a great team ,loose the we are not any good attitude that all your opponents want you to have and get the we are the shit attitude ,and guess what ,the worse that can happen is you stay the same ,but what will happen is that attitude will catch and kids will become confident and start kicking butt and quit settling for second best.

Now you know how I think ,

it is.hard,to understandyou. when. you,put,.,commas..periodsand uncapitalized letters. togetherand then proceed. to list yoursons' credentials. for the fort.ieth time. Please type so that I can read posts without getting a headache, and we get it, your sons won a lot of things. We knew your sons were good before you even showed up on this sight. Just wait and let them perform this season. I'm sure they will be very successful.

Yeah me too ,sorry I write all this stuff from a phone and as I said oim no english major.

Yeah me too ,sorry I write all this stuff from a phone and as I said im no english major.

Someone tell where I have gone wrong on this one, where are the Sheldon Clark kids? I don't have a single kid ranked. When I graduated they were building a dynasty. Now I realize I am getting a little older, but it appears as though they have completely fallen off the face of the earth.

Welcome to old age Ranger.

I remember when no one could touch Hop-town except maybe Christian Co. Now neither make much of an impact.

Fern Creek was probably next on that list and now they are almost non existent.

You know...I'm sure everyone on here wants your kids to do well and I even placed a comment welcoming your boys to the great state of ky. Welcome boys!! But, do you really have to wear out your welcome before the season even starts? Come on Dad! In KY or any place else, nobody give two craps about what you say and I'm sure you will be the first person they want to have a conversation with when you get in the gym. Don't think so. Do us all a favor and have fun with these forums and comments, but realize no one cares what you think or how big you can make your kids out to be. Let the season begin so we can hear some more garbage!

I agree about Sheldon Clark. It was not to long ago I always seen a few of their guys in the finals with a couple usually winning it all. They were always around the top 5 team wise.

Thank god, thank you trithis! Somebody finally said it.

Well thank you for the welcome,haha and I am from the Great State of Ky and have always been its defender ,glad my boys are here hope it works out ,and yes i like bragging particullarly about austin he has always been overlooked but I don't have to make my boys seem bigger than they are as you will learn .And I actually enjoy bragging on a lot of kids I just avoid bringing many into the bs that follows us ,soon I will say very little and let A LoT of kids speak for me and I could care less if you speak to me in any gym I doubt our exchange of knowledge would be a fair trade the fact of which will be proven by the outcome of the matches between the kids we have worked with if in fact you ever have .

And yes I like bragging on myself as well lol all bs aside I would be happy to talk to anyone I love the sport the kids and the exchange of knowledge and I would like to help every kid in the state if I could.

First of all, Grant County is fortunate to have to excellent wrestlers join their team. Furthermore, it is easy for me to explicate the facts of success. The head coach at Grant was a stud and can still grapple with the best. He was a Division I competitor entering the NCAA Division I tourney before tearing his miniscus. Raider, your team also started at the bottom at some point. The sound of envy appeared in your comment regarding the brothers joining a better team. Ryle may be better for now, but it doesn't bless you with tact. Shearer will have the Myers' brothers ready and other team members. Bank on it! Do not apologize for your half witted comment! Just try to think before you speak.

Wow .so I guess I wasn't the only one who saw the obvious blast on Grant cty in that post and yes Matt has great desire an has been there himself and he will not be alone in helping kids get his assistant coach is perfect for the lighter guys and there are some studs who will improve over the next few years, some very soon.

There will be more than 2 kids making it to state from Grant this yr I would guess 6 give or take 2 either way.and more the next yr.the snowball effect

Enough. Is enough hopefully the bs got some people looking and interested and fired up for the season now let's hear about some kids and rankings any kid who can place in a state with only 1 div is a stud has always been my thought about ky.maybe not as many top calibre kids but there is only 1 div not 3 so heck its harder to place.jmo

Enough. Is enough hopefully the bs got some people looking and interested and fired up for the season now let's hear about some kids and rankings any kid who can place in a state with only 1 div is a stud has always been my thought about ky.maybe not as many top calibre kids but there is only 1 div not 3 so heck its harder to place.jmo

Enough. Is enough hopefully the bs got some people looking and interested and fired up for the season now let's hear about some kids and rankings any kid who can place in a state with only 1 div is a stud has always been my thought about ky.maybe not as many top calibre kids but there is only 1 div not 3 so heck its harder to place.jmo

Enough. Is enough hopefully the bs got some people looking and interested and fired up for the season now let's hear about some kids and rankings any kid who can place in a state with only 1 div is a stud has always been my thought about ky.maybe not as many top calibre kids but there is only 1 div not 3 so heck its harder to place.jmo

One more thing about the rankings, there are a couple of wrestlers ranked that lost to a first year wrestler at Grant County. So much for rankings!

First of all, Grant County is fortunate to have to excellent wrestlers join their team. Furthermore, it is easy for me to explicate the facts of success. The head coach at Grant was a stud and can still grapple with the best. He was a Division I competitor entering the NCAA Division I tourney before tearing his miniscus. Raider, your team also started at the bottom at some point. The sound of envy appeared in your comment regarding the brothers joining a better team. Ryle may be better for now, but it doesn't bless you with tact. Shearer will have the Myers' brothers ready and other team members. Bank on it! Do not apologize for your half witted comment! Just try to think before you speak.

Don't worry, I had no intention of appologizing. If your offended because I didn't see the benefit in nationally ranked wrestlers going to a second year program, then you're the one that is a half wit.

OK by no means do I say thin in any dis-respect. Matt and I wrestled and graduated together along with him trying to convince me to go with him to college to wrestle. So I am more than knowlegable about coach Shearer.

However: Grant Co. is participating in region 6 which is traditionally the best region in the state. Getting 6 kids to state from that region is a great accomplishment.

There are 14 teams in the region with 56 spots available to the state tourney. Campbell, Ryle and Simon will each average 10 wrestlers which leaves 26 spots. Walton will take probably 6 Dixie will for sure take 2 and Grant taking for sure 2, Scott for sure 1. That leaves 15 spots for 8-10 teams to fight over spots. I would say at most (once again no disrespect) Grant will take 4 wrstlers more likely 3.

If they were in any other region I would think 6 is a possibility.

Well as i said ,6 give or take 2 and i do not know everyone but i did see Steph take a so so kid at Reading last year drill and work with him all year and he placed at state and Austin will do the same for the heavies this year at Grant as he did for all the kids he has worked with over the years, they are good partners and excuse my bragging KNOW more and have been trained by better coaches than anyone in the State maybe both states and their knowledge will be put to good use with the new team and along with a fired up former state champ as a coach who can go with Austin and make him improve i think getting out at least 4 isnt so much a stretch im impressed with their lightweights a couple in the mid range who are scrappy but unskilled and a heavy who will surprise everyone because he has the skill and now has a great partner ,cant say so much about this year but i expect big improvenments and if i have anything to say about the following there will be more than six ,you better ask all the studs from Prodigy who went on to be cincy HS wrestling studs just who pushed them in JR high again no bragging but Grant now has the two best Jr high and possibly the best HS wrestlers to ever wrestle in cincy and they have the records titles and credentials to back it up ,1 and 2

Don't worry, I had no intention of appologizing. If your offended because I didn't see the benefit in nationally ranked wrestlers going to a second year program, then you're the one that is a half wit.

Your comment was attacked as half-witted, but you attack the person with names. Your words may have been intended to say something other than what you wrote. Therefore, you need to have someone proofread and edit your responses. Sometimes people are not very clear when writing, it is a difficult task to accomplish exact meaning. It was obvious what you claim to have said, but the post was not exactly friendly or encouraging for a hard working new program. I did not mean to hit a nerve: resulting in name calling. Although, there is a flipside to the scenario: the fact that Grant Co. will aquisition to the next level much quicker than usual. We will now improve like many other newer programs. Ryle, W.V., and Cooper. Unlike the more more traditional programs that accomplished success from scratch: Campbell, Conner, S.K., and Dixie. Grant can be added to the "NEWER" programs that have gained the success from transfers. Therefore, do not hold your program up so high as if they accomplished so much and are so great. When you grasp that team "state title" you will gain more respect and be closer to gaining the notoriety like the traditional programs.

"Good Luck" Raider.

Raider they were both nationally ranked for the last few yrs going into moeller ,leaving and then going into reading that was a small d3 school with no real advantage for them; so so coaches and good but no where near their calibre wrestlers; and are ranked now that they left ,Just why do keep saying why would they come to Grant ,Why not ,Why would they go to Ryle they have chewed up and spit out every one on what You may think is a Tough Schedule that Ryle has but i consider very weak compared to what they have wrestled as does everyone in OH ,Is Ryle in the Iron MAN,Powerade ,=NO do you guys even do that well at SWOWCA even though you get an easy go at it with all the padded schedules and records you have coming from KY =NO your #1 seed 2 yrs ago got beat 14 to 1 and should have been pinned or teched by an unseeded wrestler ,Stephen would obliterate every one on your schedule as would Austin and they would do the same to every kid in your room ,They have wrestled way better kids and schedules than you could offer them so quit downing everyone else ,

Maybe it will be funner for them to be a part of a new teams history and help build a great program and maybe thats your real reason for posting your cloaked knock on Grant cty ,keep it coming though its fun and adds fuel to a little fire , and remember your post in a couple years from now ,

Your team would have had trouble beating little Reading last yr under your own states rules ,and by that i mean with JR high kids being allowed to wrestle in HS ,and Reading beat CC handily last yr .

I normally don't post on topics or discussions like this, but felt the need to. I am from Ohio and know of the Meyers boys well. Very talented wrestlers that everyone should see eventually. The expansion of wrestling in Kentucky since I came across the river a few years ago is a great thing. New programs such as Cooper, Bishop Brossart, Grant Co and Walton Verona are a positive for everyone. The rise of Programs like Walton Verona in a short period of time is a good thing for all the teams in Region 6. That higher level of competition benefits everyone. I think that is all that was being asked about. We have all seen the credentials that the Meyers boys have and I am sure that they would like the best competition that they can get. Coach Shearer is a good guy and I personally wish Grant County all the best.

The schedule at Ryle does not include the Ironman, nor does it have the Beast of the East. What it does include is a very competitive schedule that challenges the vast majority of the team. It is not made for the select few that could legitimately compete at those events. When those select few come along, then the schedule can be adjusted......case and point Mason Reid place at the Beast of the East his Senior season. The one big addition to the Ryle schedule this season is the Grizzly Invitational at Wadsworth (OH). That is no walk in the park and neither is a wrestler the caliber of Kagan Squire at 132/138.

I for one think that the potential rise of Grant County is a good thing and look forward to seeing increased competition. Try to stay focused on the positive and not get into tearing each other or teams down before the season even begins.

BTW Ranger.....keep up the good work

Excellent post KickEmOut! Wrestling is a great sport which breeds competitive and outstanding young athletes. I rarely post, and I may never post again. Your comment to maintain "focus" is pertinent. Thank you for a redirect.

Squire is one of my favorites but he lost to ward at state who had about 9 losses on the yr and even lost at swowca after bumping for some odd reason hahahahh and squire has never won state in oh .

And. Stephen made the all Oh team last year at 125 over both squire and ward and was certified to go 119,either way good luck you guys do have a nice and impressive schedule not sure what wadsworth has left after losing tavanello and grey who stephen beat at state his fresh yr and who else they lost or have .it should be good for your team but you do not have anyone that can come close to hanging with squire so why mention him???

I went overboard as usual just don't see the point in?where and why a kid is somewhere that will no change or knocking a new team or my friends there are lots of top kids that can knock off others on any given day its the totall of all their yrs and how they handle losses and wins and tough matches that tell how good they really are Squire is a perfect example he beats a kid twice duiring the yr and looses to him at state so who is reallu better ...my heart says the guy with 2 wins but all people care about is that state title in oh the best up north seperate to win all the state titles ,,everyone knows it,kind of weak but it works

I may be a jerk at times but I know the kids the sport and the tactics and schemes and I call em out when I see em .

My tactics are open and easy to follow its the veiled ones that are so dirty and weak .

Good luck to ryle and yes we and I wanted to go there or cc but I also am glad Matt is at Grant and I love the whole underdog thing so no need to? Something that will not or cannot change all it does is sir up trouble or make a rivalry and grant is not on ryles level "well not yet" so if grant gets 2 kids in Iron Man and Powerade I guess they have tougher schedule than ryles

Your comment was attacked as half-witted, but you attack the person with names. Your words may have been intended to say something other than what you wrote. Therefore, you need to have someone proofread and edit your responses. Sometimes people are not very clear when writing, it is a difficult task to accomplish exact meaning. It was obvious what you claim to have said, but the post was not exactly friendly or encouraging for a hard working new program. I did not mean to hit a nerve: resulting in name calling. Although, there is a flipside to the scenario: the fact that Grant Co. will aquisition to the next level much quicker than usual. We will now improve like many other newer programs. Ryle, W.V., and Cooper. Unlike the more more traditional programs that accomplished success from scratch: Campbell, Conner, S.K., and Dixie. Grant can be added to the "NEWER" programs that have gained the success from transfers. Therefore, do not hold your program up so high as if they accomplished so much and are so great. When you grasp that team "state title" you will gain more respect and be closer to gaining the notoriety like the traditional programs.

"Good Luck" Raider.

You are criticizing Raider for his typing skills on this site? Obviously you are not looking for any other errors. Maybe you should look more carefully because there is another case of bad typing on this site (not to name any names). Raider is an expert typing compared to some people on this site (he who I will not name).

Raider they were both nationally ranked for the last few yrs going into moeller ,leaving and then going into reading that was a small d3 school with no real advantage for them; so so coaches and good but no where near their calibre wrestlers; and are ranked now that they left ,Just why do keep saying why would they come to Grant ,Why not ,Why would they go to Ryle they have chewed up and spit out every one on what You may think is a Tough Schedule that Ryle has but i consider very weak compared to what they have wrestled as does everyone in OH ,Is Ryle in the Iron MAN,Powerade ,=NO do you guys even do that well at SWOWCA even though you get an easy go at it with all the padded schedules and records you have coming from KY =NO your #1 seed 2 yrs ago got beat 14 to 1 and should have been pinned or teched by an unseeded wrestler ,Stephen would obliterate every one on your schedule as would Austin and they would do the same to every kid in your room ,They have wrestled way better kids and schedules than you could offer them so quit downing everyone else ,

Maybe it will be funner for them to be a part of a new teams history and help build a great program and maybe thats your real reason for posting your cloaked knock on Grant cty ,keep it coming though its fun and adds fuel to a little fire , and remember your post in a couple years from now ,

Your team would have had trouble beating little Reading last yr under your own states rules ,and by that i mean with JR high kids being allowed to wrestle in HS ,and Reading beat CC handily last yr .

Now I wouldn't say that us Kentucky boys are that bad. It would be very "funner" if we could wrestle in all those gooder tournaments that you kids from Ohio go to.

You are criticizing Raider for his typing skills on this site? Obviously you are not looking for any other errors. Maybe you should look more carefully because there is another case of bad typing on this site (not to name any names). Raider is an expert typing compared to some people on this site (he who I will not name).

LOL! I am done on here. Reread the post. It is not the typing. LOL!

Well I don't know how many teams in ky would have fun wrestling Moellers.Eds ,or Grahams. Schedule in Hs or prodigys or team jordans in youth or jr high but I didn't say anything about it did I ,I simply stated why Ryles schedule did nothing extra ordinary for two certain kids who have wrestled tougher for years from grade school up in defense of their choice and their team because of someones obvious knock on that choice .

Make of it what you want try to turn it around to compell the masses to dislike someone doesn't matter to me we will still kick everyones butt.

As for my love of the state NO one can match mine ,my whole life has been spent defending it and becoming one of its champions and soon my user name will be MR NKY 4x because I enjoy beating everyone from out of state or in and keeping it at home I made it a point that everyone knew I was from ky whenever myself or any of my family did anything in any sport in any state .don't be a fool and play that with me Too many people know where my heart is and always has been and if some dum@$$ wants to make it a point to have everyone go against my kids or myself because of where we lived for a while" whatever" its just another ignorant dirty tactic used by someone who already knows how it all ends.see you at state super duck hahah and by the way there is a kid or two that can hit your username and will on some ky kids real soon .

Man this is a riot. Mr nky (soon to be)X4. you have got to be sitting back and just peeing your pants laughing at all this. I havn't had this much fun reading these posts in years.

I sit patiantly waiting for the next post that is going to rile someone up and get them spouting inconsistancies. You are the Andrew Dice Clay of Kentucky Wrestling.com. and it is a riot.

However:::: I do have a small bone to pick here. Like yourself I love the bluegrass state and would never leave it if I could. I also don't like the insults we recieve from other states. Ohio in particular. We are a smaller state in population therefore we are expected to accieve less nationally. We have made huge strides in the last 20 years in wrestling.

You have made a few comments lately mostly at raider about how ky schools could not compete in ohio. although it may be true for most it is still a slap in the face. I like yourself always make sure people know I am from KY. When asked where I am from I say Northern Ky, Just across the river from Cincy.

So keep up the good work with keeping us entertained but maybe fall back on the ky bashing a little. Maybe you didn't intend for it to be a bash but it sure sounded like one.

Raider they were both nationally ranked for the last few yrs going into moeller ,leaving and then going into reading that was a small d3 school with no real advantage for them; so so coaches and good but no where near their calibre wrestlers; and are ranked now that they left ,Just why do keep saying why would they come to Grant ,Why not ,Why would they go to Ryle they have chewed up and spit out every one on what You may think is a Tough Schedule that Ryle has but i consider very weak compared to what they have wrestled as does everyone in OH ,Is Ryle in the Iron MAN,Powerade ,=NO do you guys even do that well at SWOWCA even though you get an easy go at it with all the padded schedules and records you have coming from KY =NO your #1 seed 2 yrs ago got beat 14 to 1 and should have been pinned or teched by an unseeded wrestler ,Stephen would obliterate every one on your schedule as would Austin and they would do the same to every kid in your room ,They have wrestled way better kids and schedules than you could offer them so quit downing everyone else ,

Maybe it will be funner for them to be a part of a new teams history and help build a great program and maybe thats your real reason for posting your cloaked knock on Grant cty ,keep it coming though its fun and adds fuel to a little fire , and remember your post in a couple years from now ,

Your team would have had trouble beating little Reading last yr under your own states rules ,and by that i mean with JR high kids being allowed to wrestle in HS ,and Reading beat CC handily last yr .

Did Reading wrestle CC in the dual or only match up with them at the Reading tournament? I don't want to stir the pot, but you can't take the Reading tournament results at face value. I have been to that event and the team scores are more than a little fishy.

All I can say is I am really biting my tongue here. As someone who wrestled in KY, coaches in KY, and has a vision for KY wrestling...I ask you all to get back to the point of this thread....the rankings. I believe we already deleted a thread because of this nonsense that went on.

Did Reading wrestle CC in the dual or only match up with them at the Reading tournament? I don't want to stir the pot, but you can't take the Reading tournament results at face value. I have been to that event and the team scores are more than a little fishy.

Yes, they beat our 1 senior, 3 junior team last year in the dual right before Christmas. Our senior state placer wrestled like poop (effects of a concussion) and our junior state champ was still out of the lineup. They still may have beat us, don't remember the score and don't care, but at full strength it would have been at least an 18 point swing.

No I meant no bashing against ky just explaining to raider his school wasn't so much better a choice than Grant cty and if you read i said my kids chewed up and spit out all the comp in oh and they did 2 yrs undefeated in jr high and 1 fishy loss. The only on an unreal schedule in oh to a kid now in his 2nd yr of college in 2 yrs and the best record by any underclssmen if not all of hs wrestling in cincy ever.

3 AA plaques and a double AA ,and all,no bs no bragging no ky bashing in the statement only facts that are backed by records and titles as usual.

My response from a bash on our new school ,so how is taking up for a new program and school in ky a bash on ky ,

Either way you spin it someone is going to make it out like its ky vs the transfer oh stud kids so I'm not going to argue a useless cause for long with people who are out to demonize people with no reason and that is the reason I was so quick to jump the gun .I will. Just say two kids from ky dominated oh after moving there and plan on doing the same after moving back.

As for my Reading comment it was not really a knock on cc but they did loose and I was there ,making excuses only makes it look worse a kid or two out may have made a difference but readings 2nd best if not best wrestler was out as well because he was in jr high so in ky there would have been 6 more points for Reading.I wanted my boys at CC as I stated and yeah Readings tournaments are fishy very fishy ha ha but so are everyones and a lot of fishy crap goes on in cincy some noticed some not.

Yeah this is fun and keeps everyone watching lmao so let it be what it is .a bunch of people getting info while pushing their own agendas ,I just keep it real ......fun ...

I would be taking up for ryle or cc if my kids were there and I will take up for ky as always but always take up for my kids first.

Sorry coach Mccoy I didn't start that thread that got deleted .and like I said enough is enough .yes rankings and kids please

No need to apologize. Lets just all get back to what the threads are about. If we want to compare Ohio and Kentucky...make a thread about it and let it run.

How about a regional ranking?

Campbell should finally stop the evil reign of Ryle this year.

Campbell hs been taking their lumps the last few years. This year could be a good season for the camels. (my alma mater) Last year they were growing up into the team they should be this year. They had 2 jr. high kids 2 fresh and 5 soph starting in thier linup last year.

This year with 5 jr's and 3 Sr's on the team they should win the region and this year or next make a run for the team title.

When was the last time campbell won regions? Ryle has dominated for a wile. Maybe campbell can get back to their 90's dominance.

When is the first time they wrestle each other this yr??

Ryle and Campbell I believe will see each other at the Raider Rumble in early December, then at the NKAC (not a quarantee since it is a dual tourney). They have a dual together but not sure when. They will also meet at the GMVA tourney over christmas then at the Regional tourney.

Cool ,like to see it ,nky should do a tournament with all nky schools other than regionals.

Cool ,like to see it ,nky should do a tournament with all nky schools other than regionals.

They do a tournament like that... It's the NKAC conference tournament. Though some of the region 6 teams are not apart of the Northern Kentucky Athletic Conference. (there was a huge tiff thrown about this at the coaches meeting).

Another thing NKY lacks is the amount of weekly dual meets teams scheduled against each other compared to ten years ago. (It's been that long since I wrestled, I'm almost an old man now).

I remember the jamboree dual meet, and then every week we would wrestle a dual against another NKY team, by the time regionals / state came around, seeding was easy b/c most everyone had seen everyone else. We've gotten away from this. The powerhouse teams can fill their schedule with better competition and not "waste time" by wrestling a few matches at schools with smaller programs, win duels by default, and get their team better matches.

In this region you can almost bank the ryle / CC will take at least ten kids to the state tournament each, leaving the rest of the region to fill in the few remaining spots. I know Dixie will take at least two (Cornett and Castallano) and depending on the cards could take as many as seven (Scaggs, the younger Castallano, Crowder, Z. Morris, and Furman). I'm no longer associated with the program (Had to get a big kid job), but will be helping at the middle school level. I look for these 7 kids to place at regionals this year. I hope they do, but that's coming from a biased perspective.

Gone are the days where half the wrestlers in the region / state make the state tourney. And I'm more than okay with that.

I don't have a dog in this fight but this whole conversation seems to be ridiculous. Two kids have moved in from Ohio and they seem to be very tough. We have had this before recently with the Murton brothers. There is no doubt that if they are nearly as tough as advertised then they will dominate Kentucky. The people who are on here to try and talk up Kentucky wrestling are ridiculous just as is that father of these two wrestlers. I like debating very much and wrestling is a favorite subject. However, regarding this topic nobody knows anything. The father of the two wrestlers knows little to nothing about the top wrestlers in Kentucky and we in Kentucky know little to nothing about the two Austin boys.

To the Kentucky people:

Allow the kids to do the talking and don't listen to all the hype. Tell your wrestlers to train to be the best no matter the opponent and they will make you proud regardless of the outcome.

To the father of the two wrestlers, with all due respect because I do not know you personally:

If your sons are as good as you say they are then what's the point of going on and on and on about their accomplishments? Simply let them do the talking for you. I have not checked any national rankings nor do I care to do so because I'm more concerned with collegiate and international wrestling. Talking about them the way you are simply makes you look like you feel the need to talk them up, which I don't think will be the case.

...sorry if I offended anyone, it was not my intention.

Your Norse God Austin needs to wrestle JJ Jude, if he can make the weight and catch him there.

Austin Myer won't get to Jude I'm betting, not that he can't or won't make the weight. You will be wasting a BIG weight cut trying to get to him!

You wrestle who's in front of you don't know many kids in ky but I do know many more tha most would think and I know my kids and who they have wrestled ,if jude is in that 190 ish weightclass they may wrestle and regardless of who austin will give them a match.

I am impressed with some of the kids in KY always have been maybe not as deep but some of the top kids are very good .hope austin does wrestle jude though ourmatches will be limited and he is a headhunter who wants to wrestle the best.he wants a national ranking like his brother and fahy and he will get it I think.

As for going on this is a .ranking thread and I was asked and added a bunch and could add a lot more but le's just let it play out season is approaching glad state is in lex

Jude will beat Austin Myers. Probably a pin or tech. I doubt it will be in the state finals though. Probably the first or second round at state.

You wrestle who's in front of you don't know many kids in ky but I do know many more tha most would think and I know my kids and who they have wrestled ,if jude is in that 190 ish weightclass they may wrestle and regardless of who austin will give them a match.

I am impressed with some of the kids in KY always have been maybe not as deep but some of the top kids are very good .hope austin does wrestle jude though ourmatches will be limited and he is a headhunter who wants to wrestle the best.he wants a national ranking like his brother and fahy and he will get it I think.

As for going on this is a .ranking thread and I was asked and added a bunch and could add a lot more but le's just let it play out season is approaching glad state is in lex

Jude will beat Austin Myers. Probably a pin or tech. I doubt it will be in the state finals though. Probably the first or second round at state.

To MR NKY 3x what I meant was that would be a huge weight cut to get to him and find out he is not there!!

To Super Duck It would have to be at least quarter finals unless you don't think Jude or Myer win their region. And doubt it would be a pin or tech. Probably Decision

Pin or tech. first or second round.

Pin or tech. first or second round.

If it happens than my money says you are WRONG on both counts!

You're right. Once he sees how big and intimidating Jude is, he will probably forfeit before the tournament even starts.

STUPERDUCK, Apparently you have never seen Austin wrestle

I'll tell you this the only way Jude and Meye meet in the 1st round is if Jude gets 4th in his region. No way does Meyer ger 4th in region 6. At 190ish there is not 3 kids good enough to beat Meyer.

I would also go as far as to meet in the second round Jude would have to had not won his region. I honestlly don't think there is anyone in region 6 around 200 lbs that can defeat Meyer.

I would also add that Superduck seems to be just trying so say something that will get a reacton.

I was just kidding.

I just hope that these two kids get a quality education. If they ever post, I will be able to understand it hopefully. Unlike MR NKY and his posts.

There you have it Austin vs Jude ,stephen vs whoever Fahy on up.let's have some fun and make some noise !!!doesn't matter to me Austin is going to be the most dominant wrestler in the state ever .

I'm just now hearing about these kids but for someone to say one of them is going to be the best in the state of KY ever is crazy, it's great to compare but I can name quite a few wrestlers that could be the best:

Willie Ennels - Hop

Vernon Jackson - Eas

Frank Wolnitzek - Cov Hol

Matt Zarth - Hen Cl

Joe Carr, Jr - Wood Co

John Wolsifer - Fern Creek

Richard Starks - Wood Co

Derek Scott - So Old

Scott Cooper - Lar Co

Neal Crawford - Sen

Dean Williams - Sen

Ian Horn - Wood Co

Issac Knable - St X

Livinsgston Merrit - Hop

Tendai Charasika - St X

Brad Cooper - Sim Ken

Jason Daviaux - Scott

Tim Whitfill - Fern Creek

Luke Metzger - Hen Cl

Coty Lewis - Wood Co

Kyle Ruschell - Ryle

Harrison Courtney - Wood Co

Mason Reid - Ryle

Josh Johnson - John Har

Caleb Ervin - Union Co

Jake Brafdord - Ryle

Brad Hitchings - Trinity

John Fahy - Trinity

Justin Davis - Eas

John Lampe - St X

Jacob Murton - Lawr Co

Myron Bradbury - Trinity

I just named quite a few of the top of my head that were pretty good (I did have to look up some of the schools and correct names), these guys all showed something that set them apart from the rest of the wrestlers and can be considered the best ever in the state. There are some I cant remember and to say that this kid compares to these guys is hard to believe. Wrestling was alot tougher in Ky 20 years ago, you are putting this kid in an elite group and he hasnt wrestled the best the state has to offer yet. 'MR NKY 3x', You shouldn't be putting this much pressure on a high school kid, just let him go out and wrestle his matches, and most important have some fun. This same situation happened with Mark Hall a few years back and it took away from the great finals match at state because people already had judged him by what others were saying. Lets not do this again this year!!!!

I know Ceron was just listing great champions but I'm going to say (in my own opinion)

1. Joe Carr

2. Caleb Ervin

3. Ian Horn

4. John Fahy

5. Justin Davis

I'm positive others will have a different top 5, but I was able to see all of these wrestlers wrestle many matches. They seemed to be the most dominant during their time. I can't wait to see the Grant Co. brothers wrestle. Fahy is the only one on my list that is currently wrestling and from what MR NKY 3x has said one of his sons can wrestle at Fahy's weight class. Lets make it happen!

I dont know all those guys but i know someone who is ranked higher than one of them and has Three All American Plaques hanging on his wall as well as top 4 finishes in Iron Man And Powerade .Based on performance in top tournys as an underclassmen alone he makes your top 5 .Wins over more nationally ranked competitors and national champs alone make him one of the top .but let him step on the matt first and yeah lets do that.

Again picking on Hall ,had he not left he would have been #1 on your list shortly.

I know that most of us on this board would want to be fans of the Myer kids, but man, Dad, you are making it hard LOL!

Ranger, where is Frederick Agyeman, Franklin Co. in the rankings? Did he get overlooked?

I know that most of us on this board would want to be fans of the Myer kids, but man, Dad, you are making it hard LOL!

Ranger, where is Frederick Agyeman, Franklin Co. in the rankings? Did he get overlooked?

Heard he will be up at 145. That's a lot of weight and with the weight class consolidation in the middle it will be tough.

This is getting absolutely ridiculous. Mathound has warned all parties involved previously and yet it still persists. I for one try not to pass judgement on anyone, especially high school wrestlers, until I have met them myself, seen them wrestle and watch how they conduct themselves. Even then, I tend not to pass judgment because they are just that, high school wrestlers and thus still kids. It seems as if almost everyone else is passing judgment on the Myers boys due to the postings of one individual and most, if not all, have never met them. Sadly, it's not all his fault either. Even when he's never posted anything on a topic, somebody tends to want to take it there almost knowing he's going to respond. I use this website as an informative tool to help myself as a coach and help my wrestlers. I like to see what all is going on throughout the state with other programs, but it's getting to the point that I don't even want to hop on the site because almost every topic gets way off point anymore. So as a coach, former wrestler, fan of wrestling, etc I ask to please keep the topics on track for those of us who are tired of reading all the banter and bullcrap. I know I'm not alone on this. If you wish to constantly take everything off topic to talk about the Myers boys then please start a topic that says Myers boys and type until your fingers are numb. Now, I am looking forward to seeing the Myers boys wrestle. I have never met them and don't know anything about them but I'm a fan of good wrestling and it appears they are excellent wrestlers. I know we are at the Derby City Classic with Grant County so I'll be fortunate enough to see them in person. I know if any of my wrestlers faces off against them they won't fare very well, but let's give it a shot anyway.

finally i want to here bout somthin else beside how great the myers r!

"Loudest one in the room is the weakest one in the room...."

I'm getting the itch bad. We are so close to the season starting that I can hear the whistles blowing. (Oh wait a minute) Thats a train whistle. Ok so maybe I can't hear the whistle but I can almost smell the sweat from the wrestling room.

Oopps my wife tells me that smell are my socks. Ok OK how about I can feel the tension in the air from the wrestlers who are going to hit the high school mats officially in the next week. (8 days away)

Everyone is getting ready for the skin fold testing. Teams are trying to figure out what thier linups are going to be like.

I'm getting a little nervous because JR GOO needs to step it up this year. And if he doesn't even though I don't want to be dissabpointed I know I will be. But most importantly I hope he and all the wrestlers in KY have fun this season. I wish it to be a save, comptetitive season with a lot of close matches.

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE AND LET THE SEASON BEGIN ALREADY>

Don't know about the Weakest ? In the room Lmao .but the strongest one in the room is the one making everyone cthelites .

Don't know about the Weakest ? In the room Lmao .but the strongest one in the room is the one making everyone cthelites .

Mr NKY3X--I love your confidence and you are creating discussion on this board, which can only be a good thing as long as it's civil.

No doubt your boys are credentialed, but why the move out of one of the top wresting states to one that is still developing? Ohio has 4 times as many wrestling schools. Certainly winning a state title as a frosh is an amazing accomplishment at any weight and unheard of at 220. To do it in Kentucky is a great thing, but to do it in Ohio would be national news--much like Chris Phillips a few years ago when he beat Roddy at Ironman. Just curious, if he's so good why not prove it in Ohio?

First off,I never said he would be a 4 x timer or a state champ as a fresh but that is the goal and is possible and yes Ohio is a great wrestling state and that is one of the reasons we stayed and moved to a few places there over the years .

Austin wanted to go to Elder he is a good football player and wrestler and Elder has outstanding programs

Stephen is as good or better than anyone in Oh and much of the country and I am not saying he can beat evereyone but there is no one he cannot beat and the same goes for Austin ,Stephen has beaten nationaly ranked #1s and national champs handily and Austin is the same level as he is only he is bigger and that changes things a bit .

He is bigger than Phillips was as a fresh a while its neat for someone to compare

Being confident lol I think Austin goes D1 football as well as wrestles that has been his goal and I think he does it,

That being said ,he has a huge obstacle his school is not a powerhouse in either sport and actually has only had a wrestling program 1 yr ,but you have to like an underdog.

The move was not all my decision if it were up to me soley and I based everything on wrestling my boys would have went to St Paris Graham long ago.

As for cred or proving anything there is no Fresh in OH or KY that has proven as much as Austin has on the matt or the field No one not even close .call it confidence boasting whatever its fact I will say I think he is a 4 x placer and he wins a few state titles and that would be the case in OH or KY and I am sure he proves it in both states before he's done in HS,its not liike OH is on another planet or he will never wrestle there again.

I don't want to keep all the bs going it gets old and although I like it ,it gets old Austin will accomplish everything I say and more just like he and his brother always have and all the haters will end up eating crow just like always.

Let's let it go wrestling season is here ,and if anyone wants to see a match up simply visit or maybe jump in a tourny like wash court house in a week or so ,Anyone from either state as for the hs bs talk everyone in southern Oh has already seen Austin go undefeated against Hs kids for the last 2 yrs in all the summer tournys so all the crap talk on the oh boards about hs being different for him is a joke.and yes he is not only going to beat all your prima donnas in cincy he's going to do it easily ,there's only 1 kid I doubt he can beat in cincy and he's a sr and had no where near Austins record as a fresh .

As for stephen all I will say is no one in either state has his ability its known in OH wetheranyone will admitt it or not and it will be evident to all in ky very soon regardless of how he does he will entertain wrestling fans in ky like no one they have ever seen before he makes most good wrestlers look boring ,he's a freestyle phenom with a loose style backed with knowledge and a speed that takes it to another level he throws out the book and makes his own I give up he has his own technique that works and I bow down to his funk .

LMAO get ready its going to be a fun yr no matter what.

Sorry to answer your ? About proving it in Ohio

I think he just dominated it for a decade he was state champ from yr 1 till he left with the most dominating yr you will ever see every match a pin before the 3rd period except a major in the. State finals .

It is extremely headaching trying to read your posts. Just saying.

I understand ,its usually phone stuff no excuses I will work on it.better yet I wil try to keep it short .hope everyone has a safe yr looking forward to seeing a lot of ky kids I know and many I do not .i

During my four years the best wrestler that I have seen is Davis. He didnt wrestle until his sophomore year of highschool and placed in state. then went on to win state the next two years. Fahy is very close second.

As someyone who does not have a dog in this fight I would like to comment on the idea of a Jude Myers match: I have watched both kids wrestle and am aware of what they do. Honestly I don't believe Jude can win. Austin just brings to much experience and is a much more technical wrestler

During my four years the best wrestler that I have seen is Davis. He didnt wrestle until his sophomore year of highschool and placed in state. then went on to win state the next two years. Fahy is very close second.

Um did you not watch Caleb Ervin wrestle or Brad Ervin or Mitch Ervin wrestle. Much, much, much better than Davis.

Davis may be the best Athletic wrestler you have ever seen or definitley the fastest wrestler. But best wrestler?

Ranger we have gone almost two months without a new set of rankings. Please, we are starving for your wisdom!

Um did you not watch Caleb Ervin wrestle or Brad Ervin or Mitch Ervin wrestle. Much, much, much better than Davis.

Davis may be the best Athletic wrestler you have ever seen or definitley the fastest wrestler. But best wrestler?

I went off technique which would be fahy, then athletic davis. they were good wrestler though no doubt about it.

I went off technique which would be fahy, then athletic davis. they were good wrestler though no doubt about it.

Do you guys actually think they are the fastest most technical wrestlers in the state :)Technique is a matter of opinion athletics and speed are obvious and the one who has most of all three is the one who would be considered the best by many.

Ranger we have gone almost two months without a new set of rankings. Please, we are starving for your wisdom!

Yeah, it is about time. I was hoping to hear a few tidbits from the first week of practice about weights before I posted an update. I will get one out by early next week. Then I will start looking at the body fat test results.

Yeah, it is about time. I was hoping to hear a few tidbits from the first week of practice about weights before I posted an update. I will get one out by early next week. Then I will start looking at the body fat test results.

Can't send you messages if you don't clean out your mailbox.

Can't send you messages if you don't clean out your mailbox.

Wow! I didn't realize the new forums limited my inbox that much. I think I used to have an unlimited mailbox. Okay, I moved out some messages.

Come on ranger time for new rankings now, you didn't have to wrestle me today so you shouldnt be too beat up