Any predicts so far on the county tournament? Who will win at each weight and which team will take first?

top 4 teams (not in order) is St. X, Moore, Southern, Trinity

106

1.St X Max Korfhage

2.

3.timmy poynter moore

4.

113

1jason hall moore

2Tri Drew Chandler

3

4

120

1 Moore Bobby Poynter

2Doss Steven Sprowles

3 Des Austin Miller

4Riley Hawes of Eastern

126

1 rosado -moore

2Tri Ian Kahl

3St X Dylan Vish

4Man Brock Moore

132

1St X Justin Lampe

2Sou Lazaro Bereguer

3PRP Chad Edwards

4Eas Tyler Lancaste

138

1 Tri John Fahy

2Moore Mike Lester

3 St X Dominic Lampe

4SO Nathaniel Long

145

1St X Kody DeSpain

2Eas Joe Rupp

3Moore Mikey Smith

4Tri Ricky Calcedo

152

1St X Hunter French

2Tri Brent Hitchings

3HC(L) Robbie Valdez

4Sou Blake O'Neil

160

1omar-central

2keller-moore

3pledger-st.x

4goldman-fairdale

170

1maupin-fairdale

2willbanks-moore

3southern

4manuel

182

1St X William Thompkins

2 Moore Justin McDaniel(tight race for 2nd and first with moore and st.x put st.x first because of rankings but my prediction is that it will be a dec. 6-4 and could go either way)

3 aaron dyche(dont know if i spelled that right)manuel

4Sou Sean Barrett

195

1Tri Bobby Bryant

2Sou Thomas Noe

3moore logan durham

4Fair Matt Leffler

220

1Tri Brendan Darrow

2HC(L) Chad Conway

3moore daylon whaley

4Cen Mashille Dozier

hvy

1Des Trevor Ford

2HC(L) Jeremy Glass

3moore jamal spruill

4 Fair Anthony Spencer

I don't know a lot about most of the teams but i can tell you Southern will have a tough team and can finish pretty high. They did good at woodford placing 3rd the highest out of the public schools. Riley Hawes of Eastern placed 3rd at Woodford and is a tough wrestler at 120. Tyler lancaster isnt wrestling.

I don't know a lot about most of the teams but i can tell you Southern will have a tough team and can finish pretty high. They did good at woodford placing 3rd the highest out of the public schools. Riley Hawes of Eastern placed 3rd at Woodford and is a tough wrestler at 120. Tyler lancaster isnt wrestling.

heard only loss came from two time deffending champ from the georgia team, looking to see this freshman on the rankings very soon

106

1. Juan Rameriz western

2. Jeff Moreman Jeffestown

3.

4.

113

1 jason hall moore

2 Tri Drew Chandler

3 Nathan Thompson Desales

4 Scham Sublet Central

120

1 Brian Crawley Southern(really good wrestler saw him a woodford)

2 Jared Lynum Central

3 Bobby Poytner Moore

4 Riley Hawes eastern

126

1 rosado -moore

2 Tri Ian Kahl

3 St X Dylan Vish

4 Colton Elkins Desales

132

1 St X Justin Lampe

2 Chad Edwards PRP

3 brock Moore Manuel

4. Brandon Cleveland Fern Creek

138

1 Tri John Fahy

2 Austin Dickens Eastern

3 Lampe StX

4 Jacobi Reed Western

145

1 Jo Rupp Eastern

2 Kody Despain StX

3 Recce Molette- Nowland Fairdale

4 Tri Ricky Calcedo

152

1 Brent Hitching Trin

2 Hunter French St X

3 HC(L) Robbie Valdez

4 Kolton Hansgen Eastern

160

1 omar-central

2 keller-moore

3 pledger-st.x

4 Seron Martin Jtown

170

1 maupin-fairdale

2 willbanks-moore

3. Noah Bauer StX

4. Javon Armstrong Western

182

1 St X William Thompkins

2 Moore Justin McDaniel

3 Zhanal Mamedov Seneca

4 Sou Sean Barrett

195

1 Tri Bobby Bryant

2 Sou Thomas Noe

3 Dhananjay Arora eastern

4 Fair Matt Leffler

220

1 Tri Brendan Darrow

2 HC(L) Chad Conway

3 Brandon Roderer Western

4 Cen Mashille Dozier

hvy

1 Des Trevor Ford

2 HC(L) Jeremy Glass

3 moore jamal spruill

4 Fair Anthony Spencer

Hardest weight Classes will be 160, Numerous guys are ranked. 126, heavyweight,. this is gonna be a good tournament

may be a hard class but hardest to win is 138

I don't know a lot about most of the teams but i can tell you Southern will have a tough team and can finish pretty high. They did good at woodford placing 3rd the highest out of the public schools. Riley Hawes of Eastern placed 3rd at Woodford and is a tough wrestler at 120. Tyler lancaster isnt wrestling.

southern tied for second with woodford but we only had 13 guys are 138 did not make weight

Southern Tied for 3rd with Woodford with 180.5 not second. Check the Woodford website on the WCI page

Southern tied for 3rd with woodford

eastern placed 10th

18. Holy Cross 21. Western 22. Seneca

county teams at wci

wat about the 220 from western? he won wci didnt he? and the 182 from seneca beat southern 10-6 i think

my bad the western kid got 2nd

Oh yea Brandon Roder is pretty good he came in second. he lost to Wesley Morris of WC.

Are we sure what weight all of these guys are going to be at?

It should be pretty Accurate I saw some of these kids wrestle at Woodford. Saw result of tournaments from fern creek and other tournaments on here. I'll make adjustment to mine once ranger post the new rankings tmrw night.

leffler with be at 82 he wrestled there at fern creek

Trinity varsity will not be at Jefferson County. They have a prior committment.

wat about the 220 from western? he won wci didnt he? and the 182 from seneca beat southern 10-6 i think

my bad the western kid got 2nd

Wesley Morris (Woodford) was the 220 lb Champion at WCI

I don't get why won't Trinity be there?

106

1. Nick Douglas Southern

2. Juan Rameriz Western

3. Jeff Moreman J'town

4. ?

113

1. Jason Hall Moore (if he is back wrestling)

2. Nathan Thompson Desales

3. Christian Bautista Southern

4. Scham Sublet Central

120

1. Brian Crawley Southern

2. Jared Lynum Central

3. Andrew Segal Manual

4. Bobby Poytner Moore

126

1. Jesus Rosado Moore

2. St X Dylan Vish

3. AJ Roberson PRP

4. Colton Elkins Desales

132

1. Justin Lampe ST X

2. Lazaro Bereguer Southern

3. Chad Edwards PRP

4. Brock Moore Manuel

138

1. Dominic Lampe St X

2. Austin Dickens Eastern

3. Jacobi Reed Western

4. Jordan Thomas PRP

145

1. Jo Rupp Eastern (could go either way between Rupp and Despain)

2. Kody Despain St X

3. Recce Molette-Nowland Fairdale

4. ??

152

1. Hunter French St X

2. Quincy Jacobs Southern

3. Robbie Valdez HC

4. Kolton Hansgen Eastern

160

1. Omar Jarvis Central

2. Brandon Pledger St X

3. Blake O'Neil Southern

4. Kenny Keller Moore

170

1. Jake Maupin Fairdale

2. Noah Bauer St X

3. Sam Willbanks Moore

4. Javon Armstrong Western

182

1. William Thompkins St X

2. Justin McDaniel Moore

3. Zhanal Mamedov Seneca

4. Sean Barrett Southern

195

1. Thomas Noe Southern

2. Dhananjay Arora Eastern

3. ??

4. ??

220

1. Chad Conway HC

2. Brandon Roderer Western

3. Anthony Spencer Fairdale

4. Mashille Dozier Central

HWT

1. Trevor Ford Desales

2. Shayne Smith St X

3. Gabe Lord Fern Creek

4. Brandehn Todd Central

Obviously, these are assuming Trinity's Varsity won't be there.

Southern at 132 should be 4th seed. Can't finish 2nd if he's 4th seed. Either 1st or 3rd/4th.

Southern at 132 should be 4th seed. Can't finish 2nd if he's 4th seed. Either 1st or 3rd/4th.

That would certainly change things if he is in fact the 4th seed. Seeding meeting is tomorrow night...we will find out then.

He can't make it to the finals and lose? That's still 2nd right

Trinity varsity will not be at Jefferson County. They have a prior committment.

This is lame. Does that mean they're sending JV? Awesome

Can anyone give me info on this tournament? Where? Start Time?

Thanks.

Also Dhananjay Arora Of eastern Upset Thomas Noe at Woodford who was the #1 seed. So Imma put him at 3rd over Logan Durham of Moore.

Southern Tied for 3rd with Woodford with 180.5 not second. Check the Woodford website on the WCI page

what was the score for this match?

Manbearpig - That's correct. A 4 seed can still finish 2nd, but can't finish 2nd behind the 1 seed. He will need to beat the 1 in the semis to make the finals.

Eaglewrestler12 - JCTC is at Western HS. Starts around 6:00 p.m. on Friday. Starts around 9:00 on Saturday.

Or are you asking where Trinity varsity is wrestling??

Top 4 Teams without Trinity, Stx, Southern,Moore,Eastern.

top 4 st.x, moore, southern, fairdale or central(hard to tell who will finish above the other with central and fairdale) in any order...........................all teams have good top seeds..............moore with rosado, central with jarvis, fairdale with maupin and southern with douglas........................

what teams have champions trying to defend there title this weekend?

any known seeds yet?

Manbearpig - That's correct. A 4 seed can still finish 2nd, but can't finish 2nd behind the 1 seed. He will need to beat the 1 in the semis to make the finals.

Eaglewrestler12 - JCTC is at Western HS. Starts around 6:00 p.m. on Friday. Starts around 9:00 on Saturday.

Or are you asking where Trinity varsity is wrestling??

Thanks! I needed the JCTC info. Although I am curious as to what Trinity is doing instead.

2012/01/07 Gateway to the Best St. Louis, MO

this is from the trinity schedule

ok, who needs JCTC seeds?

JCTC Seeds

106

1 Douglas Sou

2 Moorman JTN

3 Adams Cen

4 Segal Man

113

Hall MOO

Thompson Des

Bautistia Sou

120

Crawley Sou

Lymun Cen

Pointer MOO

Standafer Des

Hawes Eas

Segal Man

Korphage X

126

Rosado MOO

Smith Sou

Miller Des

Groves Cen

Burke Mal

Roberson PRP

Abbason Sen

Vish X

132

Lampe X

Moore Man

Berenguer Sou

Burke Mal

Thomas PRP

Elkins Des

Singleton Eas

138

Taylor Doss

Cleveland FCR

Melotte FAI

Edwards PRP

Dudley Des

Salas Cen

Barrett Sou

Prewitt Man

Jarboe X

145

Rupp Eas

Lampe X

Smith Moo

Aguilar PRP

England Man

Cash Sou

152

Despain X

Jacobs Sou

Lopez Jtn

Goldman FAI

Valdez HC

Hansgen Eas

Roberson PRP

160

Jarvis Cen

Plegor X

O Neil Sou

Keller MOO

Pio FAI

Bennett JTN

King PRP

170

Maupin Fai

Willibanks MOO

Haddad X

Martin JTN

182

Dykae Man

Tompkins X

Higdon IRQ

Mc Daniel Moo

Garrett Sou

Leffler Fai

Mashack Cen

Gonzalez JTN

Taylor Doss

195

Noe Sou

Floyd Cen

Harris Man

May X

Durham MOO

Aurora Eas

220

Dozier Cen

Roeder Wes

Bradley Sou

Walsh Des

Wafzig X

Ritchie Dos

**** Conway of HC was seeded 3rd but withdrew

285

Ford Des

Vincent HC

Lord FCR

Green Dos

Smith X

Enjoy the debate

Are these Seeds in order?

At WCI ,Arora pinned Noe in the consolation round in 2:12.

Are these Seeds in order?

Yes, bigedcoach is the tournament director.

And now here is my commentary from this weekend's action, love it or hate it. Just offering insight that is either right or wrong. I just hope people enjoy reading

First , Southern HS had their eyes on the prize and never looked else where. They won the 50/50 matches, pulled a few upsets (according to seeds, havent been around to see people, so I just go off the information I have) and the top wrestlers on their team did what was expected

Second, wrestling in region 3 has come light years from 10 years ago when you could hold the region tournament in four hours on a friday night, I was impressed from the coaches not only from Southern but also Fairdale and PRP as well. their kids go hard but are becoming more technical wrestlers as well

Third, The outstanding wrestler award Trevor Ford is a good heavyweight and deserved the award narrowly beating out Jake Maupin , who I think will be in the state finals again and Im sure a few more wrestlers had a case for the award but My ballott had the 145 from PRP, Aguliar. With big back to back wins over Rupp from Eastern and D. Lampe from St. X. I was impressed by his skills on his feet which payed off for this wrestler.

Fourth, And I hope people understand this is a part of my personal personal beliefs from the sport of wrestling. Takedowns and Takedown

efficiency is the most important part of wrestling to me. I watched several matches where kids literally gained 5 minutes of riding time and only winning a match 4-2 or losing a match where they were tied and on top riding in the 3rd period and the opponent escaped with20 seconds left. Its common knowlegde in competitive wrestling except for heavyweights that the hardest think to do is to score on top compared to bottom or neutral positions. High School wrestling does not score riding time, actually the rules lean towards against riding. Im not saying I saw a lot of stalling, 99 percent of the wrestlers I saw this weekend were very aggressive. My opinion for wrestling is to deflate them with 2-3 takedowns before trying to turn then, because you establish the pace of the match The good teams of the mid to late 90's where South Oldham and Woodford county.

What happened at 120 I thought Poynter got 3rd?

The results are reported wrong at 120. Hawes and Poynter went in to OT and Poynter got the takedown. Very good match though.

Sorry Bigedcoach, but the way a wrestler wrestles is his style. I am so sick of seeing refs taking over matches with the stalling crap. I saw stalling called way too many times in this JCTC, especially from one ref, to make me feel like wrestling has advanced in the state of Kentucky. Wrestling is about all facets of the sport, not just takedowns. Working from the top, stuffing the head, and getting the half is a part of this sport. JMO, but I think most would agree. Let them wrestle!

I also am sick of seeing high school wrestling turning into freestyle. Takedown, takedown, takedown, the rules have changed already to give the takedown master an edge. (Allowing the optional start, choosing neutral, now just telling the official I want him in his feet and give him the one escape) None of these rules were there in the good ole days when GOO wrestled.

What exactly is the ultimate goal of wrestling? The Pin. The emphasis on takedowns has taken the the emphasis of a pin out of wrestling. I much prefer seeing a wrestler who can get reversals and run pinning combinations, than see a wrestler take down an opponent let him up take him down again, let him up Etc. etc.

Wait til state. Stalling is called almost immediately.

Im not really commenting on stalling as a hole, people want to see aggresive wrestling, riding does not score, I saw way too many matches that was 4-2, 3-1, and a few kids lose matches where they waisted too much time riding where they had an decisive advantage on their feet. Stalling needs to be called when its stalling, referees should decide matches but they should foster aggressive wrestling. Active wrestling that is done inside the 10 foot circle. Takedowns are 80- 90 percent of wrestling, no state champion has ever won with out being great on their feet.

GOO out of my since of comedy, back when you wrestled on those old horse hair mats, It was a lot safer to stay down on the mat than on your feet,,,,lol

The ultimate goal of wrestling is not to get a pin!!!

The goal is to win. Of course one should do it within the rules with sportsmanship etc. Takedowns and being able to escape from the bottom are essential. The lack of being able to turn from the top is of no consequence in high school in every state. College is different--just ask Colt Sponsellor.

Does anyone know how to contact the guy that was taking pictures on the floor, or his website address?

IMO, I would say that each person who comments on the stalling situation has a personal perspective due to experience, not really able to comment outside of their own benefit / loss. At least big Ed comments with less personal interest in match results. My personal experience is that certain teams teach stalling tactics as a way of winning matches. So, if you can just get a lead, then assume a certain style or position that keeps the score that way. These wrestlers will no longer work for points or pins late in the match. Honestly, my program does not spend any time teaching these tactics, but I am aware of the need to control a match (dictate its' pace) when you are winning. With that said, I felt that there were numerous occasions when stalling should have been called, and I am grateful for the refs who will enforce rules that have long been threatened.

If the rules state that top man must work toward scoring / pinning, then anything less is stalling. If bottom man must work to score, then anything less is stalling. If neutral position must work toward take-downs / scores, then anything less is stalling. It is also interesting to me that the refs are most likely to call stalling on big guys, but I've often felt that smaller guys were guilty of the same things.

I would also add one last comment: I think Larry Mann gave JCTC the best refs. I have great respect for Cattan and Shumate. I am learning to appreciate Rocky and Pikul.

I'm pretty sure that the guy taking pictures was a Courier-Jounral photographer. I've seen him at other sports/events.

When it comes to officiating, regardless of the sport, it's about judgement/opinion. That's why there are different strike zones in baseball depending on the umpire, even though the strike zone is clearly stated in the rule book. I think the refs did a great job overall this past weekend, but in some instances stalling and stalemates were called when a wrestler was trying to work his stuff from the top, or directly after an attempted takedown in the case of a couple of stalls. And not by any of the refs mentioned above.

go to courier-journal.com and the pics are there, nice pics at that

I never meant for this to be a stalling forum, I actually saw little stalling and the referees did a great job. I was commenting on the amount of time strategicly spent on riding. In tournament wrestling, you do what you need to do to win and advance but for a team to win, its big when you can score more points and get bounus points for the team score, also deflating your opponent by scoring a few takedowns makes it easier to turn and pin them is easier.

I also am sick of seeing high school wrestling turning into freestyle. Takedown, takedown, takedown, the rules have changed already to give the takedown master an edge. (Allowing the optional start, choosing neutral, now just telling the official I want him in his feet and give him the one escape) None of these rules were there in the good ole days when GOO wrestled.

What exactly is the ultimate goal of wrestling? The Pin. The emphasis on takedowns has taken the the emphasis of a pin out of wrestling. I much prefer seeing a wrestler who can get reversals and run pinning combinations, than see a wrestler take down an opponent let him up take him down again, let him up Etc. etc.

Was riding time kept when GOO wrestled? I don't remember the year but, I remember Dan Gable speaking to coaches at a camp/clinic saying that we needed to make some rule changes for our wrestlers to be more competitive on the international stage. The emphasis on takedowns is a result of that. I'm not ever going to challenge his wisdom. I think that is also why we are seeing how they are calling out-of-bounds in college today to mimic the continuation rule in freestyle and greco. One thing is for sure, NCAA and high school officiating is way more credible than international.