Any results I know some from region 2 but not a lot

heidorf beat Barton 6 3

binder beat moscwa fall

Miles beat Jacobs fall

That's all I know right now

Correction, Heidorf beat Barton 4-3. It was a good match.

Region 1 will be posted tomorrow.

Team scores.

Club Team

1. Union County 254

2. North Hardin 166

3. Caldwell County 89

4. Central Hardin 72

5. Hopkinsville 53

School Team

1. Christian County 145

2. LaRue County 95

3. Trigg County 84

4. Meade County 43

5. Calloway County 20

Who's moscwa? Did siddens not wrestle aj?

Moscwa beat siddens in the semifinals 7 6 I think siddens was looking for binder and wasn’t taking it one match at a time

According to the Bracket it was Oscheinbein from NO not Moscwa. Thats why you never look past anybody, anything can happen in these next few weeks.

Are you sure it wasn't mengelberg. The only moskwa is the 75lb from north oldham.

I was told they gave 152 to emerson on his injury because it was ruled to be from an illegal hold. 190 was Garret Chandler from fern Creek, not sure bout heavyweight but everything else looks right. River City won the team trophy. (that is if there wouldve been a trophy, no medals either)

I was told they gave 152 to emerson on his injury because it was ruled to be from an illegal hold. 168 was McIntosh. 190 was Garret Chandler from fern Creek, not sure bout heavyweight but everything else looks right. River City won the team trophy. (that is if there wouldve been a trophy, no medals either)

No medals, no trophies, what happend?

Anderson county forgot to order medals it was a terribly ran tournament we got out at 9 30 and there were way to many breaks and officiating was bad too

How can you forget when you knew months in advance that you were hosting? Table workers were also a major problem. But what's worst is that these kids who worked their tails off, deserved better. You got a kid like Miles who been working hard and gets his first regional championship and the MOW and has no medal or trophy to show for it.

Does anyone know the outcome of the heavyweight finals from Region 1?

Cole Sherman union

are the results posted on the middle school web site yet?

Not only did they not have medals or awards for the kids and the teams, they did not even call the kids to the podium, or announce the team results or MOW. Once the last match ended, everybody was like OK, and then just left. Our coaches had to track down the tourney people to get the team results and the voting. Pretty anti-climactic for the kids who earned their way to state. Pitiful.

That's sad. I hate to hear that for the kids.

70-hammond (cald) over whorton (NH)

92-johnson (NH) over gray (cald)

105- kline (trigg)

113- smith (union) over agulto (christ)

121- cole (christ) over cunningham (trigg)

140- oxford (union)

152- lawson (hop) over parr (ceha)

168- bradley (uha) over boyd (trigg)

No excuse for not having awards. Should of had medals for the top 6 in each weight class (placed to 6th) How hard could it have been to run this tournament in a timely fashion. No seeding, placement in brackets determined by districts. All brackets are 8 man. Sounds like someone blew it big time. Feel sorry for the young wrestlers to be treated this way.

Yeah, most definitely think these young men deserve the recognition for a job well done as the season comes to a close. I know we as coaches get bombarded with a lot at times and we have things to slip our minds, but this was a major oversight. And not to even call their names out after the tournament, WOW

Stuff (forgive the misspelling) Happens. From Bad officiating to a tournament director who doesn't have a clue to adults berating little teenage girls working the tables. Here's a reminder to keep things in perspective.

"Being a winner is more than getting a first place trophy, it is acting like the effort was an honour and the trophy is just a decoration."

-Bryan Moseley

Stuff (forgive the misspelling) Happens. From Bad officiating to a tournament director who doesn't have a clue to adults berating little teenage girls working the tables. Here's a reminder to keep things in perspective.

"Being a winner is more than getting a first place trophy, it is acting like the effort was an honour and the trophy is just a decoration."

-Bryan Moseley

If they needed help they shouldve asked for it in advance. They run their own tourney so its not like its their first time around the block. No excuse for how things happened, if you couldve seen the blank looks on some of those faces.

Does anyone have the heavyweight results for Region 2 or Region 3?

I agree, its not decoration to these young wrestlers... My kids wear those things every freaking Monday to school if they win won.

Wow! That is a big embarrasment for not only Anderson, but also for the Assoc. Things like that can't happen. They knew well in advance they were hosting the tourney and if they couldn't run it...then let another team do it and back out gracefully. It is a shame that this Regional tourney was ran this way and should never happen again. I'm upset and I'm not even from that region.

I am often quite amazed at the stupid things people say out of ignorance. No, I am not calling anyone on here ignorant, I just believe people should know facts before commenting on them. Almost everything mentioned on this post about the region 2 tournament is incorrect, but I do not feel that the people making such slanderous (or libelous) remarks care enough to ask their own coaches for the correct information, therefore they do not need to know. All kids in every region will have the smae things, and there was fewer than 2 errors made within the running of the tournament. Yes some coaches acted somewhat inappropriately at times, but nothing too serious, and they were frustrated at some officiating as coaches get sometimes. Finally, coaches elected not to put the kids on the podium as well as wait for the team scores and MOW. I agree with the last post WOW...

If they needed help they shouldve asked for it in advance. They run their own tourney so its not like its their first time around the block. No excuse for how things happened, if you couldve seen the blank looks on some of those faces.

I did feel bad for the boys. I'm not here to defend Anderson County but, there was an "alleged" e-mail sent about the situation with the table workers asking for help. Wrestling for this age is about "life lessons" and I'm just advocating taking a bad situation and turning it into a learning opportunity. Under no circumstance should an adult swear at a child who is volunteering her Saturday. What got me was the tournament director's arrogance.

Slamfest,sorry to disagree with you but if your trying to say that was a well run tournament then you must have never been to one before.You also stated that people should know the facts,tell me which of these were not a fact,no trophes,no medals and way way to long.Ryles region started at 1:30 and was finished 1 hour before region 2.So the reason no one waited to walk up and get a hand shake on the podium was because they were sick of being there so long.And I won't even start on all the clock and scoreing misstakes because it is up to the host to try and train their workers before it begins. After all they do make the money.Now i am not sure the refs can be blamed on Anderson but everything else can.Last of all the coaches were the ones complaining just as much as the spectaters.So I don't think they have your back.

Oh no, I am not saying that it all went well... that speaks for itself. All I am saying is does anyone who is making statements know why there were no medals/trophies and awards? Also, people complained about the time. The biggest reason for the time was that each coach (home included) questioned the ref's scoring on almost every match. Did this happen at Ryle? I also understand that 2 coahces challenged weighin procedures from the refs... which added to the start time. ONe of the refs had to stop his mat each time his 'brother" on one of the other teams was wrestling. THe original ref, failled to show up. Finally, there was some issue with a ref decision determining the outcome of a finals match, which made things last that much longer. THis is just some stuff that fans and coaches do not think about or know. So no, I am not looking to defend either, nor do I think spectators nor especially many of the coaches will have positive things to say. I heard several of the coaches say they had lost some big upsets..... so why not find someone else to blame... I am just glad it is over, and am looking forward to seeing all the ids who have worked hard at state.

Trying to take the high road here and stay out of this mess but, I am blown away that anyone take take any position to defend what happend at this tournament. I agree with WHS, the facts were, there were no awards, trophys, podium, announcements etc. don't care why, you had enough time to get it together, no matter who is to blame, it happened, take accountability, all else is just an excuse.

Reason coaches were arguing scoring every match was that refs were not very good Saturday period, distracted by inexperienced table workers, clock not started during matches all day, and I personally saw matches decided and kids knocked out of state qualifying because of the errors. I understand errors happen, but these were egregious and continious errors and would not have happened if the tournament people had let some of the parents help earlier in the day when the kids were struggling. No reason in the world that the clock operator should forget to start the clock, over and over, and over again.

I think that most all who post here are experienced in this sport and most have participated in running multiple tournaments and always understand and give the hosts the benefit of the doubt in most instances when things dont go as planned. On other hand, our collective experience in running tournaments also gives us the insight in knowing what is preventable and what is not.

Instead of complaints about the Anderson County Tournament which I hear was a distaster, maybe the state association should look into a uniforn way of running district and regional tournaments.

#1 Each tournament must use certified officials or at least have at least one that will act as a senior/ head official at the tournament

#2 Each tournament shall pay the association a flat fee in exchange for medals and award

• Medals and Awards will be the same in each district and region
  
• Purchasing medals and awards in Bulk will actually lowerthe cost of running tournaments
  
• there will be no reason that awards wont be given
  

#3 Each team in the tournament shall provide 1 tournament worker to help with scorekeeping

As a guy who has ran more tournaments that most people in the state of kentucky , I understand that score keeping is a huge issue and a tournaments nightmare, next to rolling out mats , I think its the biggest stress of a tournament. If the state association adopts a uniform policy like the KHSAA in running post season tournaments I think bugs like this would go away, at least consider the awards idea

My son is new to the sport but after witnessing what I could only guess is Anderson County's idea of a Regional Tournament I was not the only one left with a bad feeling. My one wish would be that someone who oversees these events would make it almost impossible for them to ever hold any type of regional or God forbid state tournament. From the other posts you get the gist of how the day went. From starting 2 hours late, Bad table workers. Bad officiating, and parents arguing with refs decisions, You know who you are, You browbeat a ref after the match is over into giving your son the win. I would rather not have my son compete if this is the way to win. Also I can't believe that no one mentioned the extreme heat in the gym, I suppose they were trying to show that they could at least get 1 thing right. I won't even get into the hospitality room for coaches and refs. It almost looked as if they did not care to put this tournament on and maybe hoped to be excluded from consideration for future tournaments. My son wrestles for North Oldham and overall this has been a good year, we have met some of the nicest people, you know who you are, and for the most part the wrestlers themselves have been very polite well behaved young men who I would be proud to say I know. Hopefully this wasn't too lengthy but felt i had to defend some of these posts.

Thank you for a memorable year, Mike

I got an idea- How bout each region contract Mr. Wilbers from Campbell County to run it?? I'm currently working on a cloning machine so this can be done for the betterment of the state.That man runs every tournement in Northern Kentucky and we never have issues. I never thought I would say this but we are blessed to be in the same region as Campbell County.

Not trying to justify the issues Anderson County had with the medals, but from my experence running a tournement once before different things could happen that could result for the tournament running so poorely. I am not sure of the financial situation of Anderson County's team, but medals arent cheap. Also I am assuming they had to rent out their gym which in Northern Kentucky can cost up to $800 a day and that money is due upfront. Then you have to pay officials, get mats if you dont have any. Put together a hospitality room, concession stands, ect... Coming from a program where at the time which was finanically strapped, I had to personally shell out a lot of my personal money to get our tournament running. We had an issue with our medals which were lost by the company two days before districts. Thanks to the support of our team we were able to get everything in place for that day, but before we crusify Anderson County you need to look at the whole picture and the million and one things that could go wrong in preperation for the tournament. Thats my take on the issue.

I have another issue though with officiating at the Middle School level. While this has never negatively affected our wrestlers (atleast I hope not) how does other people around the state feel of having officials who are affliated with other teams refing their regional tournament? While the one's up here did an excellent job this weekend, I heard many complaints regarding this topic and I myself find it to be a conflict of interest. 1 I dont think it is right, but 2 those same officials are some of the best and most consistant we have in Northern Kentucky. I hope I dont stur the pot, just a general question for the Organization to address moving forward.

biged - actually the KSWA is considering the awards idea; has been for a couple years. BUT, that isn't such a simple proposition and puts a great deal more work on the KSWA board. I think it is the way to go (cost savings and uniformity), but needs to be well thought out and planned from a financial and organizational perspective.

Hardwork, running a tournament isn't as hard as you make it sound. You just have to run it like a business, because that's what it is. As far as medals and trophies, their is no excuse for not having them. Make a check list and then another and another and another. I will go through 4 or 5 list before we host a tournament and then I have another one the day of the tournament that tells me my time schedule(start,rounds,breaks and approximate finish time).

I feel bad for the wrestlers, but if this is the worse thing that happens to them they will be just fine. As for everyone else the next time this happens (I hope it never does) get the coaches together and do whatever you can to rectify the situation. Nothing could be done about the medals.

oh I hear ya, it is a business in running tournaments, planning starts at least before wrestling season starts, thank God there was KTS that always helped out with medals and rewards, They called every year in Nov to see what medals and plaques we needed for the year, We always ran 2-3 tournaments a year at Eastern and one year we ran 4, JCTC, Big East, Districts and Regionals.

Just found out some info on the medals at that regional. Thought some parents and coaches might want to know. THey were in fact ordered over a month ahead of time, and there were reminders sent to the local company. I have also talked to members of other regionns too, and at least one other region was almost as horrible a disaster, but I choose not to mention which one... as it doesn't help to moan and complain. To all those faceless people who choose to comment negatively on any of the regionals, or other tournaments, you should learn to put things in perspective, and understand that some things are not what they seem on the surface, and unfortunately you (generic you of course, no one specific) can not control everyone... which is why the world isn't perfect, nor are any of us.

Just found out some info on the medals at that regional. Thought some parents and coaches might want to know. THey were in fact ordered over a month ahead of time, and there were reminders sent to the local company. I have also talked to members of other regionns too, and at least one other region was almost as horrible a disaster, but I choose not to mention which one... as it doesn't help to moan and complain. To all those faceless people who choose to comment negatively on any of the regionals, or other tournaments, you should learn to put things in perspective, and understand that some things are not what they seem on the surface, and unfortunately you (generic you of course, no one specific) can not control everyone... which is why the world isn't perfect, nor are any of us.

Truly its not the piece of hardware thats normally awarded at the end of the tourney thats the issue, but more so how the situation was handled. The recognition of the kids was more important than the medals themselves. It seemed more of an "oh well" and "why bother" attitude, when instead there shouldve still been an awards ceremony with at least maybe a winning bracket filled out and given to the champion. The mention of still voting on a MOW even tho there was no trophy had to be brought up by other coaches, and no recognition was given to any coach for Coach of the year for that region. Stuff happens, we get it, but how hard is it to move on and run things the way they are supposed to be, make an announcement that they were ordered and yes we will get them to you as soon as possible instead of the "oh well I know ppl are going to be upset but what do you want me to do" attitude that was dished out.

Just found out some info on the medals at that regional. Thought some parents and coaches might want to know. THey were in fact ordered over a month ahead of time, and there were reminders sent to the local company. I have also talked to members of other regionns too, and at least one other region was almost as horrible a disaster, but I choose not to mention which one... as it doesn't help to moan and complain. To all those faceless people who choose to comment negatively on any of the regionals, or other tournaments, you should learn to put things in perspective, and understand that some things are not what they seem on the surface, and unfortunately you (generic you of course, no one specific) can not control everyone... which is why the world isn't perfect, nor are any of us.

If knew you were having trouble getting the medals get them from somewhere else. Why doesn't anyone admit when they screw up anymore. I have more respect for the person who takes responsibility for their mistakes and would be willing to give them another chance then the person who makes excuses.

Well said ..... behind the screen name

Slamfan, send me a private message and I will provide you a way to converse personally. No hiding behind screen names here. I took the high road with my post earlier, but I do have a major dog in this fight.

Since you seem to be in the know, you care to make a commitment to a date on when will the awards arrive? I volunteer to drive up to Lawrenceburg and meet whomever to get them for our kids. They deserve someone to put in some effort for them.

Let us all know, and let me know and I will make it happen.

Crickets..........got awful quiet after my proposal.

Crickets..........got awful quiet after my proposal.

Not sure why it would need to be private, but hey I get it. Also that is very nice of you to volunteer to do for the kids.

I just have better things to do than to half heartedly chastize when only knowing part of the information. I just hope that none of you ever have to deal with people who act the way some of you appear on such a forum, and I hope none of you ever have any problems yourselves... because it is always easy to point.

Hope all the kids do well at state, and hopefully win or lose, coaches and fans will not ppoint to others and say,"That person is why so and so did not win." Nah, if you win, then you win, and if you do not, then....well.... No sour grapes guys. We are here to teach sportsmanship. Good luck

Your not sure why private or you get it? I am confused by your statement, but it should be obvious. If not, Let me know and I can explain it to you why people wouldn't want to publicly broadcast their personal information on a web forum. I notice you are using a screen name also. Like I said, it should be obvious.

As far as your comment about my gesture being nice, well, I am a nice guy, that's par for the course for me, Thanks. My motivation is to ensure that my team is taken care of like they should have been in the first place

Trust me when I tell you though, the kids have moved on since we had State Duals and State to prepare for and truthfully, for them, the bar has not been set very high in regards to expectations.

Not going to battle with you here, save your negative responses for the few that have blasted you, and address them by responding directly to them.

I just want the awards that the kids have earned to be in their hands as soon as possible and have offered to help you. My crickets comment was out of frustration at the time, but I am over it.

Not angry, upset, happy, sad or anything. Not trying to place blame or be negative just want resolution. Anything contrary to getting these awards for my wrestlers is unproductive. If it can't be done, let me know and we will come out of our pocket and take care of it for you.

But, in truth, and believe me when I say that this is not meant to be negative, just helpful advice. I think everyone that has posted negatively would be more understanding, and somewhat less critical if you would have at least seemed like you were somewhat sorry or had apologized in some way for the issues that occurred. Not once in any post did you seem sorry or take any accountability. If you did, I missed it and apologize.

As far as sour grapes and placing blame on others for losses, save it for the teams that did that to you. Our kids and my wrester in particular did very well. Our kids acted with class and sportsmanship throughout your entire tournament. None of our fans, coaches or wresters were part of any of the stuff that went down that day with the table workers, refs or other coaches that were arguing match results.

We just wish that sentiment in regards to class and sportsmanship was being reciprocated in this case

Offer still stands, let me know.