Who MOW at state

John Fahy

John has won 9 consecutive middle and high school state titles. That's crazy, congratulation on a stellar career and good luck at Illinois.

Congrats to John and his family and good luck in the future!

Got agree with dagger ... 9 straight state titles without ever losing a match in state is amazing. that may be a record that stands a long time.

Congrats but 4 pins and a tech quickest pin and most pins in shortest time and no one scoring a point or lasting a match all year wwould probably get someone an OW without doubt in most states ,just sayin

IN OH if a fresh won 220 he would get it automatic even over that performance but what do i know i am just some dad

I got to talk to John for a few minutes this weekend and was totally impressed with this kid. Many of us in NKY haven't had the opportunity to see him wrestle that often other than the state tournament and the Raider Rumble. I don't think I have ever seen him not totally dominate a match and that includes some of our best KY kids like TJ, Garth, Sean, etc when they were at the same weight. I didn't realize as well that he has placed at the Beast of the East 3 times and Super 32 2 times. There have been a lot of our top KY wrestlers go down to Super 32 the last 3-4 years an no one else has gotten on the podium even once. Some major victories against big names like Brandon Jeske, Norstrem, and a PA runner up (can't remember his name).

Congrats to John on a stellar HS career and good luck.

Congrats John, on a great high school carrier!!! You're an awesome ambassador for wresting and the state of KY, it was an honor to watch you all these years.

Thanks!!

Congrats to John Fahy: Best chiose for the MOW.

There are many things that need to be considered when voting for MOW, and many ways coaches vote.

1. Who is the best wrestler at the tourney?

2. Who had the best state tourney?

3. Who had the best season?

4. And on occations such as this year who had the best career.

I for one do not agree with the belief that a kid who upsets another wrestler should get the MOW.

MOW stands for Most Oustanding Wrestler, Not wrestler who upset someone, or champion of the best weightclass. It stands for Most Outstanding Wrestler, and to decide who that is his entire career, season, and post season should be considered.

Because of this John Fahy was the most deserving of them all this year.

Ha mow is mow that day period if it was based on past performance and wins against tough comp it wouldn't go to him either just more bs you had a 3 x AA who has placed at iron man powerade and never not placed in a hs tourney have a better performance wrestling up from the starting seconds of his tourney tell it to someone who believes it get real ow is ow not lifetime achievement or should I say ky favorite get ready for some real wrestling .

Wow Mpire; You must have developed the rules for MOW. I usually agree with it being that day, but if a kid pins all the way through like many HWT's do at the state tourney then that person should get the MOW, but we give an award for that.

Ah but I mention past performances in the Ky state Tournament. As a whole most coaches will not see much outside the Ky state tourny. Summer wrestling is summer wrestling a completely different animal, and should have no bearing on the Ky MOW.

I would think that many of the other parents believe their son should win MOW. Ervin a 10th grader defeated a returning state champion. Austin defeated a state champion from 2 years ago. Cooper dominated his wt. class and didn't have anyone close to beating him. All of these including Stephen had a claim to the MOW.

I would say that since your boys missed most of the year and unfortunately because of your rantings on here and to anyone else who would listen they were given little notice.

Lets be honest, Stephan won one of the weakest weights in the state. It is a good thing for Stephen that he wrestled up in the begining of the year and ended up no being able to certify lower because if he would have wrestled 145 or 138 he would have been runner-up! As for OW, Fahy, Ervin, Cooper, and Austin (defeating previous state champion), all had a better argument for OW than Stephen.

Forgot to metion, KY awarded the OW to Jacob Murton his first year after moving down from OH. And Murton won OW 2 of his 3 years at state, Only Ruschell won it in between and look how he turned out so hard to argure with that one. So need to hold a grudge. If stephen or austin were the best over that two day period they would have won but they weren't so they didn't. I am sure if they can continue to stay at one school and win multiple championshsips next year, in dominating fashion, over better competition then one of them will prob win OW

Congrats but 4 pins and a tech quickest pin and most pins in shortest time and no one scoring a point or lasting a match all year wwould probably get someone an OW without doubt in most states ,just sayin

IN OH if a fresh won 220 he would get it automatic even over that performance but what do i know i am just some dad

So MOVE to OH (or any other state), an pick your sons automatic award!

Ok lets be honest his class was a bit weaker because everyone knows kids ran from him and to be honest had stephen been allowed to go 38 fahy would be a 3xer instead of a 4 timer and everyone knows that as well,

trapping me between a rock and a hard place but no one in fahys class would have gotten out of a match with stephen without getting pinned or teched ,FACT, Cooper is definatly bigger and tougher but has lost this year to kids who stephen has placed higher than and beat in the past and barely beat kids who stephen has majored pinned and teched ,soooooo hate me all you want and only post the posts i make that will get everyone ticked at me doesnt matter facts are facts .

When My boys get on the matt for a whole year rather than a couple weeks things will be a bit different but they wont appear to be because you cant do any better than Stephen did this past weekend or this year and you will not have another Austin come along in your state EVER as for my ranting i can read between the lines see what people try to set up before hand the OW was won before the tourney started its a joke the fastest pin and most pins in least time are actually earned ,and we know who got them i can say my kid won this and that outside of the day who cares .......when there is someone who can back a better record up with facts and individual wins you only look foolish arguing the facts .

I am glad as heck my kids got to wrestle but they should have gotten to Grant broke about every rule imaginable in the treatment of my boys and we as parents they are horrible horrible people while i may be an overbearing whatever i only argue with facts and the facts are my kids are getting downed for helping their school win a state title which brings heat on them from inside and from out i have read posts from coaches from schools who came in fourth or fifth that say they would have won but blame my kids its ridiculous ,my kids wrestle thats what they do if my kids class was weak well kids probably ran genius and if someone wanted to wrestle my kid im sure they could have bumped stephen HAD to go 52 it was a ruling everyone else could have bumped HE!! Fahy didnt show up to wrestle Stephen 2 yrs ago because he said he couldnt make weight hes bigger than stephen and theres no way he could have done what Stephen did at 52 ,

As for me i dont care i do not mind heat from day people got on here and said you will see just like Mark Hall and blah blah blah

well all i saw was a state that made 2 kids bump up 2 classes rules or not they could have released them before state duals and steph would have been 38 or 45 and Austin would have been 95 ,If Ky actually had legitamate bodyfat testing stephen would have certified at 32 but thats neither here nor there its great because all the best kids actually won titles i like Kevin and John its nothing personal its just wrestling and its just debates backed with facts you make a remark about my kid i debate but i use facts that prove my point rather than hey so and so is tough ........as for whats really tough ,lets see a kid go out to Fargo and come back a double AA then i will agree who is tough pal because trust me every college coach in the country knows that is the greatest accomplishment in this sport .19 state titles in ky may be great,i have seen 4 xers never AA in fargo and beast of east and 32 are great IRON MAN is top dog and Powerade is up there as well ,as for normal tournys the OH CIT is insane tough and i saw a new ky state champ breeze through it as well,

Either way congrats to John he is deserving ,he did not have the best performance nor did he have the tougher class neither did cooper Stephens class was tougher than both of theirs ask Fahys finalist opponent how he did with Stephen last year when they wrestled ,no comparrison.......

And in OH you would not have been able to move again and wrestle after starting the season at another school.

But wait that's why your here isn't it. Duh me.

Better performance over 2 days are you serious were you at the tournament NO one has ever had a performance like that at this tournament get real i saw Results from last yrs ow not even close NO one made it through a match a ten sec pin that was actually about a six and another that should have been about a 4 sec pin that kid shot in and was on his back in 2 seconds flat get real ,

dont know Murton nor do i care ,all i know is what i saw and Fahy could not have done the same against the same comp as steph did and Stephen would have pinned everyone in Fahys class ,and he would have pinned everyone in Coopers as well except maybe that polly kid because Cooper was crushin him and he hung on hahahahah

No matter how you cut it stephen performed the best over the 2 days no question about it from first match to last .

And cc wrestler you are mistaken because well we have done that before LOL

Lets be honest, Stephan won one of the weakest weights in the state. It is a good thing for Stephen that he wrestled up in the begining of the year and ended up no being able to certify lower because if he would have wrestled 145 or 138 he would have been runner-up! As for OW, Fahy, Ervin, Cooper, and Austin (defeating previous state champion), all had a better argument for OW than Stephen.

I dont agree with that statement. 152 was not a weak weight class, at least not any weaker than 138 or 145. Myers dismantled Luke Troxell, who is a very good wrestler. I believe he placed 5x and and was a state finalist. Had he not been pinned by Myers he would have been teched, as the score would have been 20-5 if Troxell got off of his back. As for him finishing runner-up if he was at 138 or 145, I dont know that he would have lost to Fahy or Cooper. I think they would have been great matches and Myers would have a great shot at beating either one of them. I was very impressed by Myers and even more impressed by the fact he was up two weight classes from what he had planned to wrestle.

Wow Mpire; You must have developed the rules for MOW. I usually agree with it being that day, but if a kid pins all the way through like many HWT's do at the state tourney then that person should get the MOW, but we give an award for that.

Ah but I mention past performances in the Ky state Tournament. As a whole most coaches will not see much outside the Ky state tourny. Summer wrestling is summer wrestling a completely different animal, and should have no bearing on the Ky MOW.

I would think that many of the other parents believe their son should win MOW. Ervin a 10th grader defeated a returning state champion. Austin defeated a state champion from 2 years ago. Cooper dominated his wt. class and didn't have anyone close to beating him. All of these including Stephen had a claim to the MOW.

I would say that since your boys missed most of the year and unfortunately because of your rantings on here and to anyone else who would listen they were given little notice.

I think many wrestlers had a good argument for MOW. I have always thought MOW was for the wrestler who had the most dominating performance at the tournament. It always doesnt work out that way though. With that said, I think both Myers, Cooper, Fahy, and Ervin probably had the best tournaments. Stephen Myers and Cooper destroyed everyone, Ervin and Austin Myers were dominating in the tournament and beat state champs in the finals, and Fahy won each match with ease (it never looks like he has to try to hard).

Congrats but 4 pins and a tech quickest pin and most pins in shortest time and no one scoring a point or lasting a match all year wwould probably get someone an OW without doubt in most states ,just sayin

IN OH if a fresh won 220 he would get it automatic even over that performance but what do i know i am just some dad

So MOVE to OH (or any other state), an pick your sons automatic award!

Trust me it will be automatic pick a class for him 95 220 or hvy it doesnt matter he will pin them all from here on out ,the last kid to beat Austin in a folkstyle match was this kid named BO JORDAN and there aint no BO JORDANS gonna move in to or come from Kentucky so ,Congrats to Newberry he is a class act a wrestler with honor ,congrats to Union they have a great team full of great kids ,Simon Kenton would be the team to watch Larue seemed very good but their coaches crybabying is puzzling how the heck would they be num 1 without my boys at cc they didnt finish 2nd ???,congrats it seems some in ky know how to play the game and protect their favs but sorry ,there is no protecting anyone from Austin hes a tank and hes going to roll over everyone and he is looking forward to wearing his KY state ring over to OH and rolling over them as well,hes not scared of anyone doesnt need protected doesnt care if you like him or not ,hes a good kid a great wrestler a great worker who does it fair . and that makes him one of the few ,and when he gets his ow he will remind everyone of the year his brother dominated the state tournament like no other even wrestling up and got dissed for OW keep your mow its meaningless we will take what we want and you can have what you have control of see you next year ,

Stephen Had Fastest pin most pins in least time and no one finished a match with him ,he had the better tournament plain and simple he knew what he had to do to make his point and he did it like no one else could ,

I would chalk this up as a special occasion. Winning state 4 times doesn't happen very often and Fahy was rewarded for that accomplishment with MOW. I was impressed by everyone mentioned above. The directions clearly stated to choose the wrestler who had the best state tournament and not overall career, but my vote went for John anyway because of his career. Obviously, I wasn't alone. If Austin wins 4 or Brock wins 5 I promise I will be voting for them that year too. Any year between those accomplishments are up for grabs IMO.

Better performance over 2 days are you serious were you at the tournament NO one has ever had a performance like that at this tournament get real i saw Results from last yrs ow not even close NO one made it through a match a ten sec pin that was actually about a six and another that should have been about a 4 sec pin that kid shot in and was on his back in 2 seconds flat get real ,

dont know Murton nor do i care ,all i know is what i saw and Fahy could not have done the same against the same comp as steph did and Stephen would have pinned everyone in Fahys class ,and he would have pinned everyone in Coopers as well except maybe that polly kid because Cooper was crushin him and he hung on hahahahah

No matter how you cut it stephen performed the best over the 2 days no question about it from first match to last .

I have to disagree. Just two years ago, Michael Osborne pinned his way through the entire state tournament including a 37 second pin over Jayce Carr who we know won a state title the next two years after that. You say you argue with facts, but you throw quite a bit of opinion in there as well like the above hi-lited statement. Also, to say Fahy couldn't have done what Stephen did at 152 is also opinion not fact. John is a great kid, very humble and respectful. Every year there are at least 3 or 4 kids who we could make an argument for as the MOW at the state tournament. A few years back, I had the priviledge to coach a kid who won a state title as an underdog so to speak. He did not give up a single offensive point the whole tournament. So not only did he "upset" three kids on the way to his state title but he did it in a fairly dominating performance yet he didn't win MOW. That year Mitch Ervin won MOW and you know what, I agreed with that. He also had a very good performance that weekend and was very deserving. John deserved that award this year and for that, I say congrats. I had a lot of fun watching that kid over the last 4 years just like I hope I have a lot of fun watching your sons over the next few years.

I just wanted to comment how impressed I was with Garth Yenter. I had not seen him wrestle much, but thought he looked huge for his weight and looked very solid during his match. He pinned and teched his way to the finals and then beat a good wrestler in Paden.

In my opinion this award was given before the tournament ever started. I'm not taking anything away from Fahy at all, but we all know it was his award if he won. Given the results, Myers should have won MOW going away. Neither weight class was stacked, so that being said, you compare results match by match and it's not even close. Myers absolutely dismantled every guy in front of him, as did Fahy, but the domination displayed by Myers is without rival. Mpire, I realize you are proud of your boys and you should be, but let their performance on the mat speak for them. The drama you may or may not create for them is a liability that may cost them in the future.

If the Myers' brothers had a sane father then this might be worth discussing. Until that day, I say congratulations to Fahy on an excellent career and a well-deserved MOW. Also, congrats to both Myers boys for wrestling excellent tournaments...

If the Myers' brothers had a sane father then this might be worth discussing. Until that day, I say congratulations to Fahy on an excellent career and a well-deserved MOW. Also, congrats to both Myers boys for wrestling excellent tournaments...

I think that the Myers looked like great wrestlers as well, no one is doubting that. You bring up a good argument. Lets say that Austin actually does get to stay at one school through his HS career(doubtful), he dominates everyone and never gets the OW award. I would say this is solely because of his Fathers antics. It's sad but you think that Dad would realize this and just keep quiet. Something must truly be wrong with him if he cannot see how his words and antics are actually hurting his kids in some ways. It would not suprise me if these two young men have some serious "daddy" issues when they get older. I hope I am wrong.

Actually, the MOW is a popularity contest, pure and simple. Empire, don't get so upset. There are a lot of people on here who openly say they voted for a career, not a performance at the tournament as the MOW is suposed to be. I'm sure Fahey got the award also because he is a senior. Good for him. Glad he got to cap off a good career with a pat on the back. Because that's all it is. To me, the MOW doesn't mean s%$t. Just a popularity vote. Record books are what counts. I know the Myers boys have moved here and there, but I do believe they have won State a few times themselves wherever they were. So who really cares? I know Austin is a BA wrestler. And I. The records and who all Stephen and Fahey have wrestled. Ill take Stephen all day and twice on Sunday. A lot of people knew for a fact the Myers were going to be beaten by this one that one. Guess what... proved em all wrong huh? Talk is cheap, so let these guys do all that. Tell your boys to just keep winning titles and laughing at them all the way to the podium.

Congratulations to Fahy. Nothing more needs be said.

Congratulations John Fahey and thankyou for the fine example you and your family have given kentucky wrestling,if all of our champions carried themselves as well as you kentucky would be known as the most honorable wrestling state.May God bless you and your family in all that you do.

next year it should be stephen's, next year he will have a full year under his belt, and will be able to certify at a lower weight, or wrestle up again. but i do think that the cooper/myers debate will be settled at some point next year. i hope sthephen decides to wrestle wherever cooper is, should be a phenominal match, and if it goes down, i hope i am there to see it. both are super athletes and talented, i hope one day my kids will be half as good as these two. btw, i'll take stephen by 4

next year it should be stephen's, next year he will have a full year under his belt, and will be able to certify at a lower weight, or wrestle up again. but i do think that the cooper/myers debate will be settled at some point next year. i hope sthephen decides to wrestle wherever cooper is, should be a phenominal match, and if it goes down, i hope i am there to see it. both are super athletes and talented, i hope one day my kids will be half as good as these two. btw, i'll take stephen by 4

Well said!

The scarey thing is, Stephen will admit he was not even in mat shape. He completely dominated this year at the state tournament.

if stephen and cooper are in the same weight class next year and the winner didnt get MOW then that would be a sin.

No big deal, just a couple of quick points...

Mr. Myers, Cooper did not lose to anyone this year that Stephen has beaten in the past. He was 68-0 this season including beating several OH, TN, and KY state placers. No disrespect for your boys, I'd like to see the Cooper/S. Myers match-up myself. I just like to see the facts posted.

The MOW ballot actually states "Please rank two individuals based on their performance this weekend (not historical, but this weekend)." Admittedly, I voted for Fahey/Yenter. Why? I don't think you can separate the career from the tournament. Generally speaking the weight class is easier at state because of the outstanding career.

Well said!

The scarey thing is, Stephen will admit he was not even in mat shape. He completely dominated this year at the state tournament.

Give the boys a full year and it will be very scary. I was only able to watch the finals so my take on their performance is somewhat muted. I thought Stephen overwhelmed his opponent. He hit shots from everywhere. Austin was more difficult to get a handle on as Newberry "turtled up". Newberry gutted it out on a bad wheel, I give him credit for that. Newberry seemed content to not get pinned. I would have dinged him early with a stalling call and dinged him again to get him to try to improve from bottom. Austin should have been instructed to cut him and put on a takedown clinic, as it was apparent Newberry did not want to wrestle from bottom. A freshman winning in a weight class usually dominated by upperclassmen is to be applauded. I just wish I could have seen more of his abilities. It is difficult to showcase your talent when your opponent is unwilling to go toe-to-toe with you.

Really ,how about Luke Kern at super 32 and I know Kevin won swowca by a point against Campbell who would without a doubt in my mind get at least majored by Stephen,Funny I know the rules for an Ow but no one seemed to follow them sure steph will be 45 or 52 again next yr but I'm betting 45 soooooooo,Kevin has been bigger for quite a while but Stephen doesn't like cutting Swowca will be fun Stephen will win it ,regardless it is his tournament his side of town and ran by people he will not lose in front of it will be fun and no one will walk of the Matt with him without getting at least majored . That's right no one from ky or moe it's just the way it is

Fahys great and Kevin Coop is too, but Stephen would probably work both of them pretty soundly, he looked insane, he would have majored jacob murton back in the day. Fahy deserved MOW though, he took his 9th title, i dont care wat the qualifications are im glad he got it

I voted for fahy first and the winner of the the ervin/ rushelle match second. Most people agreed with me. Not many people gave Brock love and was confident tj w6ould win...we all knew It would be a crazy match tho!

Congrats but 4 pins and a tech quickest pin and most pins in shortest time and no one scoring a point or lasting a match all year wwould probably get someone an OW without doubt in most states ,just sayin

IN OH if a fresh won 220 he would get it automatic even over that performance but what do i know i am just some dad

Mpire is right....sorry folks and grappler-of-old especially.....MOW is for the tourney just wrestled, not lifetime accomplishments......In my day you had to earn it at the tournament just wrestled......I wrestled many years and never have seen it done like this.....This includes State tournament, Nationals ect......

I love John Fahy and all he has done for Kentucky wrestling, but Stephan Myers, Kevin Cooper or Brock Ervin should have been top vote getters....Stephan being my choice !

Lifetime awards are meant for after season banquets ect........Just sayin' !!!!!!!!

Trust me it will be automatic pick a class for him 95 220 or hvy it doesnt matter he will pin them all from here on out ,the last kid to beat Austin in a folkstyle match was this kid named BO JORDAN and there aint no BO JORDANS gonna move in to or come from Kentucky

If I remember correctly Bo beat him up pretty bad. Wasn't it like a 2nd period Tech Fall? 17-2 or something like that.

Not sure but it was bad ,and Austin went through the field to prove everyone wrong a real sixth grader against An 8th grade Bo Jordan It was awesome my boys trained in the basement both made finals steph won OW and Austin showed why he would become great ,for the record a sixth grader in finals at oac is ba ,Bo himself didn't even do it as a sixth grader.Austin has been beaten up by the best Bo Isaac Jordan Mark Martin ,studs when you wrestle jr high Iron Man as a fifth grader it happens and yeah he almost stuck Martin as a fifth graderl lol.

Thirdround: Wrestlers in Ky have won MOW for thier career several times in KY

1981 There were co MOW's (Robert Ervin) Robbie Clarkston (1st 4X state champ in KY)

1986 David Ritchie (3rd state title)

1994 Bruce Stepp (3rd state title) The only HWt to win MOW

2002 Isaac Knable (4th state title) He did win MOW in 2001 also.

2006 Jacob Murton (3rd state title) He did win MOW in 2004

History shows that winning MOW for lifetime achievment at the state tourney is not that unusual.

Thirdround: Wrestlers in Ky have won MOW for thier career several times in KY

1981 There were co MOW's (Robert Ervin) Robbie Clarkston (1st 4X state champ in KY)

1986 David Ritchie (3rd state title)

1994 Bruce Stepp (3rd state title) The only HWt to win MOW

2002 Isaac Knable (4th state title) He did win MOW in 2001 also.

2006 Jacob Murton (3rd state title) He did win MOW in 2004

History shows that winning MOW for lifetime achievment at the state tourney is not that unusual.

Totally understand....must be a Kentucky tradition then ! I wrestled in New York, Pennsylvania and California and travelled the country to Iowa City, Oregon and Long Beach California for Nationals......Years of wrestling....many Championships and always the BEST wrestler of the tournament was chosen MOW.....If Kentucky coaches do it that way, then Kentucky coaches do it that way !!!!! Maybe another award needs to be presented at State ..."Career MOW" for Seniors......Been there and done most of it....Just never did it like they do here !

Congrats to not only an outstanding wrestler but to an outstanding kid and his family. I personally think that his and his families character, integrity and longevity wrestling in the state did have bearings on this award and rightfully so.

Thirdround: Wrestlers in Ky have won MOW for thier career several times in KY

1981 There were co MOW's (Robert Ervin) Robbie Clarkston (1st 4X state champ in KY)

1986 David Ritchie (3rd state title)

1994 Bruce Stepp (3rd state title) The only HWt to win MOW

2002 Isaac Knable (4th state title) He did win MOW in 2001 also.

2006 Jacob Murton (3rd state title) He did win MOW in 2004

History shows that winning MOW for lifetime achievment at the state tourney is not that unusual.

I can think of one MOW who clearly won it based on a single state tournament performance, and that was Josh Stepp of Sheldon Clark (Bruce Stepp's cousin) in 1999. He was definitely an underdog that year, having lost in the Region 4 finals to John Gentry, but had a great tournament run without a single close match.

Congrats to not only an outstanding wrestler but to an outstanding kid and his family. I personally think that his and his families character, integrity and longevity wrestling in the state did have bearings on this award and rightfully so.

For the record from day 1 people came on this site made comparisons and comments about how kids who came to ky would learn as Hall did that they would not dominate ,people set in motion and pushed buttons from the start

And then when even after keeping kids of the Matt an making them wrestling up and away from your chosen ,people still had to make excuses for not giving a kid his due ,that speaks volumes about character , the kids who endured the layoffs and wrestled up and had the best performances of the day or accomplished the things previously never done before ,gave you state a lesson in character ! Make veiled or outright attacks on parents who take up for their kids or who do what is in their best interest and you show that the person speaking of character knows little of its meaning .my kids were ky grade school champs themselves probably would have been every yr from 1st grade everyone has a history some more impressive than others .it seems coaches ignored rules as far as ow is concerned and I thought Fahy already won one nevertheless it's over and done one kid came and did what he could like so many others I just think sometimes you have a great moment hate seeing some unfair hypocritical people ruin one kids moment you only live once there are no re dos some people should be ashamed and it's not anyone at CC or any Parents in Wilder . I'm sure some good ole boys will find a reason to diminish a kids accomplishments but but it only makes themselves look bad do you honestly think anyone outside of KY looking at the results isn't going to wonder why a kid who did what Stephen did was not awarded OW,blame patents character whatever it is what it is on the Matt ,

I wonder of Austin will get ow if he wins 4 , and I am looking forward to Myers vs Lampe Evidently someone has an agenda but so do I and I don't have to sneak around and try to weasel info from people keep it up i will bring him to Louisville and he will school your kid 1 good time your grade school tactics trying to scope someone out can't work on someone who cannot be scoped out lol

yeah , that was the year William Randle should have won MOW, he won state with out giving up a takedown all season and really was only scored on once all season, most points that were given up were cut aways. Undersized for his weigh class, natural weight 163 wrestled 171. Had the flu the weekend of the state tournament , so his semis and finals matches were not very dominant but still really didnt give any points up except for a stalling point which probably cost him MOW because he was out of gas (he weighed in at 158 that day

Randle was actually more impressive in 98'. I believe he pinned through to the finals beating a couple wrestlers who had beat him earlier in the year. He just couldn't beat Ian Horn. Horn won MOW 98'.

Can someone please remove Mpires comments so this can be an enjoyable thread to read. Congratulations to John on his MOW award. Peace out!

Power Ranking

1.- Fahy 138

2.- Ervin 126

3.- S. Myers 152

4.- Cooper 145

5.- Yenter 120

6.- A. Myers 220

7.- Whalen 106

8.- Carr 132

9.- Jude 170

10.- Hitchings 160

11.- Blackwell 113

12.- Ray 182

13.- Hwt

14.- 195

Wow superduck you didn't even list the name of the state champs for Hwt (Franck) and 195 (Bryant)

For the record from day 1 people came on this site made comparisons and comments about how kids who came to ky would learn as Hall did that they would not dominate ,people set in motion and pushed buttons from the start

And then when even after keeping kids of the Matt an making them wrestling up and away from your chosen ,people still had to make excuses for not giving a kid his due ,that speaks volumes about character , the kids who endured the layoffs and wrestled up and had the best performances of the day or accomplished the things previously never done before ,gave you state a lesson in character ! Make veiled or outright attacks on parents who take up for their kids or who do what is in their best interest and you show that the person speaking of character knows little of its meaning .my kids were ky grade school champs themselves probably would have been every yr from 1st grade everyone has a history some more impressive than others .it seems coaches ignored rules as far as ow is concerned and I thought Fahy already won one nevertheless it's over and done one kid came and did what he could like so many others I just think sometimes you have a great moment hate seeing some unfair hypocritical people ruin one, kids moment you only live once there are no re dos some people should be ashamed and it's not anyone at CC or any Parents in Wilder . I'm sure some good ole boys will find a reason to diminish a kids accomplishments but but it only makes themselves look bad do you honestly think anyone outside of KY looking at the results isn't going to wonder why a kid who did what Stephen did was not awarded OW,blame patents character whatever it is what it is on the Matt ,

I wonder of Austin will get ow if he wins 4 , and I am looking forward to Myers vs Lampe Evidently someone has an agenda but so do I and I don't have to sneak around and try to weasel info from people keep it up i will bring him to Louisville and he will school your kid 1 good time your grade school tactics trying to scope someone out can't work on someone who cannot be scoped out lol

WHOA!!!! Dude you are a little paranoid, every compliment to someone else is not necessarily a slam to you or yours. Facts are facts the Fahy's are great people no one was talking about or to you. GET A LIFE and GROW UP. BTW I do not nor have I ever lived in Louisville. I do not give a squat bout you I was just expressing my opinion about the MOW. Get over yourself and leave me alone.

Your intent following previous comments was evident and don't make ever so slightly veiled personal attacks on peopl and then feign innocence in attempt to gather support through pity it just not intelligent or believable even to those on the witchunt !Seen your posts leave us alone or not either way it all ends te same .

Congrats to not only an outstanding wrestler but to an outstanding kid and his family. I personally think that his and his families character, integrity and longevity wrestling in the state did have bearings on this award and rightfully so.

And therein lies the problem. I'm only going to speak of the state in which I reside... Ohio. Like it or not, Ohio is ahead of the curve in wrestling. Look at the long list of Nationally ranked teams and wrestlers. More than a few. And a wrestlers CARRER has nothing to do with Mow. The very award is for the most outstanding wrestler at that tournemant. That is how it is voted in any other state I can think of. The statement above would be great if someone was running for office. Over here we don't give two squirts about a wrestlers intergrity or his familys character because IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO PERFORMED THE BEST ON THAT DAY.

There have been a couple studs in Wrestling that haven't been very popular, but they are recognised for their skill, not how much their mommy and daddy are respected at church. Integrity is thrown around a lot in this thread... how about some integrity in Voting for the best wrestler that tournemant, not a popularity contest.

KENTUCKY WRESTLING NOT OHIO YOUR OPINION BUT NOT RELEVANT YOU DO NOT LIVE HERE!!!!!!!!! I do not express my opinion on Ohio site so whatever.

Public forum and perhaps Stalling is in Ky quite a bit and everyone is relevant not just you and anyone siding with your limited knowledge of the wrestling world ,perhaps someone actually knows about the kids and people so many of you seem so intent on speculating about .Or maybe he just likes having fun with you picking on his friends particularly since he has known them from way back seen the politics thrown at them and saw how every time it has played out the same two brothers totally working their butts off and then walking away year after year state champs and then some . I wouldn't pick on him he works In ky basically lives there likes CC and has a kid who could be a 4 x champ guaranteed if he's at CC .It would be nasty ...... Sick .......... Horrible ...... Demented of course a bunch of haters would have name drop some jr high kid again bwahahahahah!

Purple an gold the colors of Royalty the colors of an Mpire !

Looking forward to my friends from Ryle getting busy this summer guarantee Ryle has some freshman placing high next yr, when you like a kid you like him and it doesn't matter where they go to school ,I want every kid I like to win state and that's tough because I like them all

Again, therein lies the problem. A lot of people on here talk about moving Ky forward in the sport of wrestling. We in Ohio aren't ashamed to admit we travel to Pa and other places to seek better competition. If you want to get better at anything, look to your peers and immulate successes. But when you are closeminded and think your way is the only way, no one will ever move forward. This forum is for discussion. Ohio has four Nationally ranked highschool teams, 2 in the top 10. If you had any sense you would welcome the input of other programs. Your coaches that want to face tough compititon do, that's why they come over here whenever they can. And we're glad to have them. Btw, my Grandfather and my Father were coal miners in Harlan County, all of my family lives in Ky, and some of my best freinds wrestle in Ky. So Ill post my opnion whenever I want. If you don't want to listen, then don't. Just keep being a big fish in a little pond. The rest of us will move forward.

So, it has come to this: Kentucky wrestling is to SW Ohio wrestling what SW Ohio wrestling is to the rest of the Buckeye state

It is HILARIOUS to me that mpire can't see why neither of us kids were picked for MOW. I mean come on, did you honestly believe all the coaches in KY would pick either of them after all the BS this season. maybe next year man, maybe.

Sorry the SW OH stuff was always funny to me .I always considered Graham SW and my kids gave as good as they ever got from up north actually much more so and No Ky has studs regardless of debates between ky wrestlers we will show that more so next yr as some already did this yr in OH ,think Stalling was not blasting Ky just closed minds.

So, it has come to this: Kentucky wrestling is to SW Ohio wrestling what SW Ohio wrestling is to the rest of the Buckeye state

Exactly. But the sw is closing the gap fast, as percentages of State placers and Champs show. Why are we closing the gap? Because we immulate the nw and Pa and Jersey and others. We don't just turn a deaf ear to a more successful region or program or common sense. And despite your attempt at trying to insult sw, you actually put the spotlight on Ky. For if ky is to sw what sw is to nw, then what exactly is Ky to the nw? Ill tell you this, no coach over here votes for MOW based on a wrestlers character or career. The criteria is "performance at the tourney" even a low ranked wrestler can pull one out and win State in a big fashion. Because he doesn't have a rep, in your eyes he automatically isn't worthy of MOW. No matter who he beat that day or how badly. Its ok. Your just another example of someone who avoids looking inward and asking "what are we doing right or wrong? Are we competitive on a large scale or just county to county? And btw, with Graham and Moeller in the sw, I'd say we do just fine... who you got?

Hillarious huh , about as hillarious as a ten sec pin and a kids first three matches at state lasting around 90 something seconds , nothing funny about it ,doesn't matter how many matches tournys or transfers its wrestling ,you know whats hillarious fastest pin most pins least time and a massive amount of Team Points ...... Oh and of course a returning state champ who helped his team win a state team title ... My precious .... He's the lord of the rings .... Now that's funny right there.

Valid observation. Is it not?They said same thing about football until last season when a couple of Louisville schools put it on the darlings of GCCL. FWIW, I am from Ohio and learned most everything I know about wrestling there under the tutelage of Casey Fredericks and Harry Houska. To your point, I am in agreement regarding closing the gap. I would argue that although there's still a long way to go, Kentucky is closing the gap faster on SW Ohio than SW Ohio is on NE Ohio. Moeller is in SW Ohio but, geez get a map. Graham is farther north than Columbus. Your statement is further flawed in the fact that those percentages have increased based mostly on coming from weaker sectionals and having 3 divisions.

Graham is considered SW when compared to all the powerhouse schools in NE Oh Ed's Massilon Wadsworth an the rest ,Graham is definitely west and south of those schools as for Moeller they are very good but they appear to me to be squandering their potential they have a few decent wrestlers that came through their program a couple stud transfers and the majority of the original Prodigy group of outstanding wrestlers , All I will say is they are missing the spark had they gotten Root on board they would have had a few more studs in the room and the best coach ever in the cinch area ,not starting a fire but with Danichek Stephen and Austin in the room and quite possibly SAMs and a few more Moeller would have had that national championship team everyone dreamed of all those kids in the room would have led to everyone being better ,I see a lot of them not living up to potential now without Root and without you got it the studs to drill with they are falling behind .

That's ok though Stalling is right people should stay open minded and it is what it is Ryle Cc Sk all go to Oh for comp PA is a great place to test your kids the wrestling there is unreal, it's all good with new programs and competitive attitudes the gap will close and don't worry there will always be a few crasy dads out there who will go the obsessed distance to see their kids be the best period.

Valid observation. Is it not?They said same thing about football until last season when a couple of Louisville schools put it on the darlings of GCCL. FWIW, I am from Ohio and learned most everything I know about wrestling there under the tutelage of Casey Fredericks and Harry Houska. To your point, I am in agreement regarding closing the gap. I would argue that although there's still a long way to go, Kentucky is closing the gap faster on SW Ohio than SW Ohio is on NE Ohio. Moeller is in SW Ohio but, geez get a map. Graham is farther north than Columbus. Your statement is further flawed in the fact that those percentages have increased based mostly on coming from weaker sectionals and having 3 divisions.

I would have to say the Fairfield district was not as weak this year. I would also have to say, some teams in NKY are catching up with SW Ohio but not the whole state of Kentucky is.

Outside of Moeller I wouldnt get to excited about Cincinnati or SW wrestling. They have some good teams as any large metro area is going to have,but the wrestling overall isnt superior. It's not like they have a disproportionate number of wrestlers exceeding nationally. They have their share at best and thats all.

I like the way KY is growing and improving, still a long way to go but making great strides.

MOW is a matter of opinion and everyones got one!

Now that was a clear, concise, and thoughtful post. You have no business writing something like that in this forum.

Harry Houska "aww buddy you don't even know, this is definitely 5 maybe 2"

Well mow is opinion to some and to others it's who has the most outstanding performance that day as evidently defined in the tournaments own rules but whatever in ky it's a trophy awarded by flawed individuals ,not a precise. Award given to athletes using strict guidelines ,congrats to Fahy he had an outstanding career .

Valid observation. Is it not?They said same thing about football until last season when a couple of Louisville schools put it on the darlings of GCCL. FWIW, I am from Ohio and learned most everything I know about wrestling there under the tutelage of Casey Fredericks and Harry Houska. To your point, I am in agreement regarding closing the gap. I would argue that although there's still a long way to go, Kentucky is closing the gap faster on SW Ohio than SW Ohio is on NE Ohio. Moeller is in SW Ohio but, geez get a map. Graham is farther north than Columbus. Your statement is further flawed in the fact that those percentages have increased based mostly on coming from weaker sectionals and having 3 divisions.

Graham is farther North than Columbus? Until this year they're district was in Goshen. Why don't you get a map and see where that is. And the poster above who said Northern Ky is catching up fast is correct. And its because they wrestle over here. So, go back and check the schedule for CC this year. Take Glen Este for example. They wrestled CC in dual meets. Ask them who won and by how much. And Glen Este is very good, but not an Ohio powerhouse. And CC is are Ky State Champs. Bottom line, like Isaid, things like picking a MOW based on anything but wrestling skills at the given tournement is taking away the distinct honor of it. Like someone else said, have an acheivement award or similar at State to pat someone on the back for great character.

For gawd sakes, even Jim Jordan's Congressional district says North Central and West Central Ohio. Ask him if character counts.

Sorry but Graham was SW unroll this year I guess they could be considered central south west either way they are closer to Cincy than Cleveland and have historically been considered SW or sometimes a state of their own , ask Jordan how he would vote for MOW . I think everyone already knows the answer buy I don't know some people spend an awful lot of cash up there so who knows lol ,

Graham is farther North than Columbus? Until this year they're district was in Goshen. Why don't you get a map and see where that is. And the poster above who said Northern Ky is catching up fast is correct. And its because they wrestle over here. So, go back and check the schedule for CC this year. Take Glen Este for example. They wrestled CC in dual meets. Ask them who won and by how much. And Glen Este is very good, but not an Ohio powerhouse. And CC is are Ky State Champs. Bottom line, like Isaid, things like picking a MOW based on anything but wrestling skills at the given tournement is taking away the distinct honor of it. Like someone else said, have an acheivement award or similar at State to pat someone on the back for great character.

Because you brought it up, CC was not the state duals champ that honor goes to Union. I will say that if you are interested in seeing how CC faired against Ohio teams in tourneys look at the gmvwa results CC smashed Glenn este before the myers showed up imagine how far ahead of the field they would have been with them there. I would pit Yenter against any 120 pound wrestler in Ohio ( the whole state all divisions) he destroyed the kid from waynesville and beat Byrd. I would also put Stephen and Austin against anyone in the state of Ohio. Paulham can hang with anyone in the not so great state of Ohio. Get over yourself SW Ohio hahahaha! I watched the d1 districts saturday and saw very few good wrestlers. I went up to FF and expected to see great wrestling and was very dissapointed.

Sorry had to post! Fahey you are a class act and great wrestler congrats!!!

Well mow is opinion to some and to others it's who has the most outstanding performance that day as evidently defined in the tournaments own rules but whatever in ky it's a trophy awarded by flawed individuals ,not a precise. Award given to athletes using strict guidelines ,congrats to Fahy he had an outstanding career .

What a nice post!

Dont agree with the flawed individuals part, how bout just a bunch of good old down home boys!

Welcome home mpire!

Hillarious huh , about as hillarious as a ten sec pin and a kids first three matches at state lasting around 90 something seconds , nothing funny about it ,doesn't matter how many matches tournys or transfers its wrestling ,you know whats hillarious fastest pin most pins least time and a massive amount of Team Points ...... Oh and of course a returning state champ who helped his team win a state team title ... My precious .... He's the lord of the rings .... Now that's funny right there.

Yes, HILARIOUS. because you still don't get it. That's why it's so HILARIOUS. What's even more HILARIOUS is you naming off all these accomplishments and awards of your kid, when I couldn't give two polished turds about them. Fahy won MOW and neither of your kids did. Now reply to me about all their quick pins and how flawed the MOW selection was for a hundredth time. Yes sir, your rants on this website are HILARIOUS to me.

It is hillarious I understand everything completely. And you understand nothing about the sport

OK the MOW voting is over the award given out. We know that some may not agree with who won the MOW.

However in the 4-5 years that this site has been running, I don't think that anyone has complained about who won the MOW.

I agree with you Mpire the MOW was Fahy's to lose going into the tourny, who is to argue that he was not the best at the tourney. All things need to be considered. I have seen many times that a kid who pins his way through the tourney does not get the award. Why because he does not get the chance to show what he can really do. This probably happens more often than not.

What I don't agree with is when a kid makes it to the finals and with one lucky move pins a good wrestler or gets a lead and hags on to win, and then gets the MOW. I agree with you that the best wrestler at the tourney should get the award. However this is the opinon of the coaches and nothing more. There are over 60 coaches who vote. Many don't see everyone who wrestles, they watch the ones they believe have a chance for it prior to the meet.

right or wrong doesn't really matter, much like the College football title game, it's not an exact science but it's what we got, and you can't force coaches to vote for someone.

When CC dualed glen este, I was not in attendance and gave up a forfeit at that weight. And I beat Kyle deeter who placed 4th in OH state at the gmvwa. Garth majored stiener and beat Max, anyone who says Ky can't compete with OH is crazy. Our depth may not be like OH but we are definitely able to compete with them in our top 3 at most weight classes

When CC dualed glen este, I was not in attendance and gave up a forfeit at that weight. And I beat Kyle deeter who placed 4th in OH state at the gmvwa. Garth majored stiener and beat Max, anyone who says Ky can't compete with OH is crazy. Our depth may not be like OH but we are definitely able to compete with them in our top 3 at most weight classes

Paul, You are a great wrestler and should be proud. But Deeter is ranked 5th in division III. He's nowhere near the top 10 in his weight class in Ohio overall. CC and northern Ky and a few other programs are making great advances. Indeed, some individuals can more than hold their own anywhere with anyone. But there aren't any teams in Kentucky (yet) anywhere near being able to stay with the top Ohio teams.

Take the blinders off fellas. You talk of the smack down CC put on Glen Este. Please follow up with Glen Este's results at the big show. 2011 ZERO points. 2010 ZERO points an exactly NO qualifiers. 2009 43rd place. More to chew on: Fairfield Invite, 2012 CC took 7th (w/out the transfers albeit) and 2011 took 6th. At 2011 state Fairfield took 21st, Centerville 15th, Loveland 46th. These teams along with McCallie and Lorain finished ahead of CC at the Fairfiled Invite. 2011 Sycamore Invite, Ryle 3rd and Cooper 14th. Sycamore took first, Colerain second. At state these teams went well........neither scored a single point. Head to head? Moeller Super Duals. 2010 both St X and Trinity went 1-3 each. X got thumped by Wadsworth 67-12, and Elyria 66-8. Trinity got hammered by Mason 50-13, and Elyria 53-9. At State Wadsworth took 3rd, Elyria 16th, and Mason 17th. The 2011 version at Moeller was about the same as Xgot trounced by Moeller 73-6 and Fairfiled 59-11. Mason skunked Trinity 60-0. At the Charlie Moore (Reading) CCtook 2nd to Reading. Reading competes in the smallest school division (III) and placed 16th. The state's #1 DIII team more than tripled their score. One person on this site called SWOWCA "Tougher than the Kentucky state tournament." Nobody argued. Well, Ryle took 8th and Simon Kenton 13th in 2010. This is a predominantly southwest Ohio tournament. GMVWCA is a decent tournament. CC took 3rd behind state #15 Centerville and state #10 (in Div II no less) Wash Courthouse. Ryle finished behind Wayne (state 56th). Now, the transfers at CC will most definitely make a huge impact in the Ohio tournaments. This is great. We all get better when one gets better. I pull for the entire region. I want Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, and Pennsylvania to continue to grow. I see the balance of power shifting ever so slightly to the west. Minnesota hosts The Clash. Wisconsin has Cheesehead. These are nationally recognized events and the host states fare well. We grow together as a region, but please take off the blinders.

Grappler I understand where you are coming from but if Mow is opinion on who had the best tournament then opinions were very flawed not many would agree anyone had a better tourny than the champ at 52 and while I like you and your posts don't insult me I doubt a lot of coache missed Stephens matches I think he gets talked about enough that most coaches might have snuck in a peek or two during his matches although it might be easier to say they missed it . It's done over with no need for tall tales .

Tim Reynolds I agree with some of what you say but I saw some CC kids beat some good Oh wrestlers this yr and I saw a SK kid win Swowca in good fashion ,

Had Cc has the team they has at the end o the yr in the beginning they would have had 5 or more kids capable of placing in any div in OH and probably 2 champs Yenter and Stephen I have seen yrs where Moeller could not have beaten that so yeah they would be competitive and could have won a team title in D3 , talk all you want I know a little losing Yenter and Frank and some srs will hurt but they will be competitive in Oh for a while lol Faust a soph And Oh jr high ow last yr a fresh I think they will do all right .

When CC dualed glen este, I was not in attendance and gave up a forfeit at that weight. And I beat Kyle deeter who placed 4th in OH state at the gmvwa. Garth majored stiener and beat Max, anyone who says Ky can't compete with OH is crazy. Our depth may not be like OH but we are definitely able to compete with them in our top 3 at most weight classes

Yenter had a great showing, he would most likely place in OH DI. He beat a few of Ohio's better wrestlers in Windsor and especially Byrd. I firmly believe that CC would have won this event with the transfers. CC may win it next year. BTW, Deeter took 5th (and not in OH, just in GMVWA) losing to Glen Este kid. Is your belief that Ky top 3 vs OH top 3 is a close match up? Or are you stating that Ky top 3 vs GMVWA is a close match up. One is false, the other is true.

Not to mention St Ed, Graham, Massilon Perry and the mighty 'Stangs from Uhrichsville Claymont.

Well I did see some classes in ky where the top 3 could hang in OH ,Ervin ,Reushell ,and Faust ,most notably ,Carr and Lampe would both do well ,Jude and Canter would not be far off at least skill wise , Austin eventually will beat everyone in Oh as he did in grade school and Jr High that's a promise , an in shape Stephen could do who knows what wherever he chose and Cooper would place high if not more along with making every kid he wrestled wish they were playing basketball, Eds and Graham are amazing you can't really compare to them but few states could ,and Fahy could do very well at his weight despite my posts and what people may think he could compete with anyone anywhere and is a very smart wrestler and Paul Hamilton you will get your shot at Oh so keep training it's time to step up and lead your Team and get another ring , Not sure if Fairfield was weak probably so in certain classes but just because the favorites lose doesn't mean it's weak it could actually be the opposite it may be tougher and propaganda may be getting kicked in the butt , actually I think it's tough I know some of the kids who upset some of the bigger names they have wrestled a loooooong time they were due big wins ,

Ok Empire, let's not include Eds, Moe, CVCA, and Graham. Let's just talk about regular DII teams in Ohio who are fanatical about wrestling; Claymont, Clyde, Steubenville, Oak Harbor etc. It's just a different level of intensity.

CC is not at that level....yet. Most Ky champs could place Div I in Ohio for sure, if not win it. But team wise? Not even close.

Well all I know is what I have seen and that's a lot over the yrs I like Rouche but how did GE get so involved in this topic it's not that big a deal to beat them .saying cc could not compete is wrong I know what it take to do well in tournaments and it's big Guns and CC had some this yr maybe a better big tourny team than dual or small tourny but given a yr to settle they may be tough next yr as well , now compared to Moeller 10 Stephen Harger Corlill and Hammer all placed and yea I mentioned Stephan first he had the beat record that yr on Moes team (:.CC would have Yenter Stephen Faust Hamilton Austin and possibly Frank placing not sure about hvys and I'd your doubting Austin I think the kid he demolished at state jr high finals last yr is making noise in oh as we speak so they actually would beat Moes team of a couple yrs ago , not much speculation 5 placers over 4 guarantee a better team score ,

There is no arguing this and I know d3 in oh is down and while I'm no d2 expert CC would do well at state minus SPG,

I know OH has massive depth but I see both sides it's probably somewhere in the middle Ky had some studs not the depth and saying cc can't compete is wrong I'm betting SK Union and Cc could all do well in Oh maybe not win but I doubt they do as poorly as some are saying actually look at my comparison and think about it it's based on facts ,

Paulham,

I hope you continue to work hard this offseason so next year at SWOWCA and GMVWA we can have a KY wrestler in the finals of every weight class from 113 to 182 (220 Austin). You proved your tenacity and wil to win late last year and this year. Keep pushing and improving, pack on some muscle and improve your technique DOMINATE next year!!!!!

I hope the kids have more focus than the posters here. It is suppose to be MOW.

Relative to MOW at the KY state tournament, someone posted that by their own rules it was to be for that competition only. Where did you get that? Isn't it an award from the coaches association? I've never seen it and have been in a position to know if a document exist.

I hope the kids have more focus than the posters here. It is suppose to be MOW.

Relative to MOW at the KY state tournament, someone posted that by their own rules it was to be for that competition only. Where did you get that? Isn't it an award from the coaches association? I've never seen it and have been in a position to know if a document exist.

"MOST" of the time MOW's are picked based on their performance at the tournament being held......There are no rules....as we can see by the Kentucky State Championships......Usually MOW's like I have said are picked because of the tournament they have just wrestled....In my opinion it should NOT be a lifetime award or a popularity contest......I have been around a long time and in 98% of the time MOW's are picked based on the tournament just wrestled......Kentucky coaches have the right to pick who they want....They picked John Fahy...Outstanding young man with great accomplishments.......With all the drama this year, I feel the MOW was not given to certain individuals because of this.....Just my OPINION and I am sticking to it !

Certainly everyone has their own opinion. Likely, one would vote for their own DNA. I was asking about someone referencing "rules" of voting at the state championship.

Looking at the facts it would seem obvious that Stephen Myers should have won the award. However, other facts come into play. Those are called the facts of life (yep, ripped it from another thread)

Looking at the facts it would seem obvious that Stephen Myers should have won the award. However, other facts come into play. Those are called the facts of life (yep, ripped it from another thread)

haha good one sir

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I thought a coach said they were told to pick 2 on performance in an earlier post. Fahy had 2 pins 2 techs a major Cooper had 4 pins and a big major Stephen had 4 pins and a tech . Had I been judging I would have had Stephen Kevin John and a hard look at a fresh champ and Brock winning a tough class , that's just how I think a lot of coaches would have looked at it . Drama is not a wrestling move and Drama didn't pin 3 kids in 90 something seconds .Drama didn't go out there and beat a sr returning state champ with under20 high School matches to his name and win a state title .funny I never thought of it that way till just now I'm changing my vote Austin should have won ,lol Congrats to Fahy he is as good as any sorry for any drama it's a discussion board debate is inevitable .

Well that's reeeeaaallly funny and since we are going over facts I will tell you what kind of kid Stephen is .Since he won fastest pin most pins in least time and watch the matches he had about a 5 or 6 sec pin then about a 4 sec pin in the quarters.i am sure people felt cheated or whatever with CC winning and taking it out on a kid is much more childish than anything I will ever do or say on a message board keeping him off the Matt was punishment enough now he loses quite a few matches from what would have been a very big win count at the end of his career and that's what these kid live for but as I said it all good he would trade it for the real Fact of Life he scores the most points in the tournament and helped his team win a State title and there is a bunch of Camels who will grow old and be able to show their grand kids a pretty state championship ring and in the backs of their minds they will say Da;: that Stephen was one BA wrestler an we won state together ,

Fact of life Stephen would trade the ow for the rings any day .besides he knows Austin will get one and share it with him .

I will be honest my vote was for Austin. I think what he did at 220 as a freshman is one of the most impressive things that i have seen. Him and Stephen are unbelievable assets not only to CC but to the state as a whole. I not saying that I agree with how they ended up at CC but that also is non of my business. I was glad to see these young men get to wrestle. They only thing that i witnessed the whole weekend from these young men where sportsmanship and respect. I think that is something that we should all give back to these young men. RESPECT they have earned it. I truly wished that both would have had better opponents so that we could see them being tested. No disrespect to their opponents but they where nowhere near the level of these two young men. Good luck to them and their family and congratulations on your achievements.

Ok Mpire.....This year is in the past. We get it, you feel your boys were done wrong. John won this year. Now you need to move on and look to the future. MOW 2013. Maybe if your boys wrestle an entire season next year they will get the respect you want them to have. Give it a rest now and let everyone concentrate on nationals!

I don't think respect comes from wrestling a whole yr people like you simply make excuses there was no one in the state tournament that has wrestled in as many matches as Stephen has in his life he has earned respect in more states and in more tournys than any kid you will ever meet or will ever see wrestle at AllTech or anywhere else in Ky 10 matches or 70 wouldn't make a difference if you light up the tournament you deserve what you earn but your right it's over so quit saying ignorant stir the pot comments.

As for Respect it was earned before match num 1 in Ky Austin's first ever HS match was a forfeit .and I think when no one scored on either of them and NO one made it through a match with Stephen all yr that was all the respect a kid could earn .... And of course the fastest two pins I have ever seen at state sent a message as well lol ten seconds not hardly and the quarters pin was the fastest pin anyone in ky has ever seen it was like "keep your cameras movin I'm kinda fast"Fast ... I love Ali ...those grade school cheap quick shots off the whistle are what real wrestlers dream of lke I can hear the kids coach now "go out there and take it to him right off the bat ... That was awesome no one in that arena who saw it will ever forget it glad we made it .

Congrats to everyone it was a great tournament.

I can only comment on what I have saw of these two. The state tournament was the first time I have ever got to see either boy wrestle so that is when they earned my respect. Its not only about being the best wrestler in the arena its about being the respectful young men that they seem to be. That is why i respect them they came here expecting to win and acted that way the entire time that i got to watch them.

Ok lets be honest his class was a bit weaker because everyone knows kids ran from him and to be honest had stephen been allowed to go 38 fahy would be a 3xer instead of a 4 timer and everyone knows that as well,

trapping me between a rock and a hard place but no one in fahys class would have gotten out of a match with stephen without getting pinned or teched ,FACT, Cooper is definatly bigger and tougher but has lost this year to kids who stephen has placed higher than and beat in the past and barely beat kids who stephen has majored pinned and teched ,soooooo hate me all you want and only post the posts i make that will get everyone ticked at me doesnt matter facts are facts .

When My boys get on the matt for a whole year rather than a couple weeks things will be a bit different but they wont appear to be because you cant do any better than Stephen did this past weekend or this year and you will not have another Austin come along in your state EVER as for my ranting i can read between the lines see what people try to set up before hand the OW was won before the tourney started its a joke the fastest pin and most pins in least time are actually earned ,and we know who got them i can say my kid won this and that outside of the day who cares .......when there is someone who can back a better record up with facts and individual wins you only look foolish arguing the facts .

I am glad as heck my kids got to wrestle but they should have gotten to Grant broke about every rule imaginable in the treatment of my boys and we as parents they are horrible horrible people while i may be an overbearing whatever i only argue with facts and the facts are my kids are getting downed for helping their school win a state title which brings heat on them from inside and from out i have read posts from coaches from schools who came in fourth or fifth that say they would have won but blame my kids its ridiculous ,my kids wrestle thats what they do if my kids class was weak well kids probably ran genius and if someone wanted to wrestle my kid im sure they could have bumped stephen HAD to go 52 it was a ruling everyone else could have bumped HE!! Fahy didnt show up to wrestle Stephen 2 yrs ago because he said he couldnt make weight hes bigger than stephen and theres no way he could have done what Stephen did at 52 ,

As for me i dont care i do not mind heat from day people got on here and said you will see just like Mark Hall and blah blah blah

well all i saw was a state that made 2 kids bump up 2 classes rules or not they could have released them before state duals and steph would have been 38 or 45 and Austin would have been 95 ,If Ky actually had legitamate bodyfat testing stephen would have certified at 32 but thats neither here nor there its great because all the best kids actually won titles i like Kevin and John its nothing personal its just wrestling and its just debates backed with facts you make a remark about my kid i debate but i use facts that prove my point rather than hey so and so is tough ........as for whats really tough ,lets see a kid go out to Fargo and come back a double AA then i will agree who is tough pal because trust me every college coach in the country knows that is the greatest accomplishment in this sport .19 state titles in ky may be great,i have seen 4 xers never AA in fargo and beast of east and 32 are great IRON MAN is top dog and Powerade is up there as well ,as for normal tournys the OH CIT is insane tough and i saw a new ky state champ breeze through it as well,

Either way congrats to John he is deserving ,he did not have the best performance nor did he have the tougher class neither did cooper Stephens class was tougher than both of theirs ask Fahys finalist opponent how he did with Stephen last year when they wrestled ,no comparrison.......

What are you some grant cty parent/ personnel beating a dead horse ?first off no on pulled anyone except that gr cty football coach who kept pulling the awesome one around on the field after he told him to get off of him!

Ask the new 220 lb state champ he will tell the truth as people have said and noticed they are respectful and good kids . As for dad being in the room he was promised he could coach after passing his background check and after doing so Grant backed out , do you honestly think any coach at grant could teach or keep Stephen or Austin at the level they are on or have been on , not hardly !

Anyone saying dad who has coached and trained them for years shouldn't be in or shouldn't have expected to be in that room because he wa needed and knows it is an idiot , second yr coaches who haven't even coached 1 full yrs schedule vs a dad who has coached youth an jr high for over ten yrs and set in the chair while his kids won very grade school and jr high title in their state including 2 state ows , doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the concern and desire to be in the room ,

Now back to what really happened after being lied to about being able to coach and having a team mom who gives herself extra titles team mom / Assistant coordinator whatever the he// that is on her paper headings and yes I have copy's !freak out and interrupt a private conversation and tell dad to get his own team " well I didn't get my own team but I sure as he// picked a doozy "after telling ms team mom to kindly mind her own buisness and her still ranting about her te not being as to enjoy their 2 nd place trophy because of me because the opposition didn't like me "yes out coaching and beating someone had that effect often times " I told my boys to get their stuff and lets go no one is screaming at me like that in front of people and no one like that will have authority over my kids .

Now as for the other incident my boy return to practice an the coach and I use this term lightly tells my boy to get thee shite and get out of his room and when asked why he says the boys mom gave his daughter a dirty look ,not exactly ordinary coaching behavior and not exactly how one would be expected to treat two kids who are good boys and uh .... Decent wrestlers as for the team mom her final words to me we're we don't need your boys we would do just as well without them , funny all the parents of the kids I helped seemed to think different and yeah the kiss liked their singlets me and my wife designed and ordered for the team the boys looked good in them , good kids out there in grant cty actually a lot better team than they ended up in my arrogance had I been there they would have sent 5 to state not 1 , they did well off of what They were learning and Austin was a great influence on them and Stephen was an would have been more so given time . Either way it done why bring it up heck the grant coach is such a cc worshiper he is probably happy he obviously pushed for Austin to be a 1 seed for some reason at reg .

When you don't know simple moves let alone complex ones cert rules match rules and on and on I think you would expect the dad of two state champs who have wrestled across the country and are nationally ranked to have concerns and what to safeguard his kids , , good lick to grant there ate some great people there I wish we could have helped them it would have been nice but egos got in the way a coach shouldn't be concerned with wanting credit for kids moving to town an making a fresh captain over a ha state champ andmultiple AA because he figures he will get cred one day for the fresh and the jr only has two yrs left that's beyond ignorance and arrogance ,

And yeah my typing stinks so fill in the blanks yourself ,

Scenario: Cursing parent pulling his children off the wrestling mat and telling everyone they are done. This happened more than once. A second year program. A parent or team mom upset the dad: he pulls his kids off the practice mat cursing the woman (another parent volunteering help).

Parent demands he be in the wrestling area of a closed practice. In a meeting with admin. The parent was told he could not be in the practice, so then he clearly stated his boys were done. =quit Were not allowed to come back due to breaking attendance rules for team and quitting multiple times. He pulled them off the team. The kids are great! The dad ? What Rules?

Parent gets tired of crap knows his boys deserve better treatment ,

Parent leaves bad situation for various reasons one of which is abuse of his kids and others at hands of school personnel .

Parent moves to original school system the kids first attended in kindergarten who just happen to be on the verge of winning a state title ,

Parent and kids endure more garbage as kids wait out khsaa decision and people talk and speculate ,

Kids get cleared late but come back nonetheless .

Kid wrestle at regionals look rusty but dominate still get critiqued by haters ,

Parent sets in stands as kids have a wonderful state tournament .

Parent enjoys the Phenom that once was returning for two days as Stephen does himself his family his team and his state proud .

Parent enjoys setting in the stands as his boy The Austin Myers becomes the first ever freshman state champ his size in the history of the sport in Ky .

Parent even enjoys the fact that people enjoyed seeing him get blasted with beach balls duiring the opening ceremonies of finals , a great touch and my young one enjoyed it as well next year someone can throw pies at me If it brings a smile to my little boys face it can't be a bad thing ,

Parent enjoys the state team title that ticked so many people off that his boys helped their team win .

Parent enjoys the precious .

Parent enjoys the fact that even amongst the team that probably would have been state champs and were the comp at state he cheered for their wrestlers and some of them respect him and his boys as he does theirs , it's about wrestling and the admiration of it and it's athletes ,

Crying about kids moving or setting them up to be hated for coming from out of state has nothing to do with wrestling but hey people created that scenario now they know how it turned out,

Parent likes that,

The Kardashians of Kentucky wrestling.

Of course the person with 1 post is just a concerned citizen .

What are you some grant cty parent/ personnel beating a dead horse ?first off no on pulled anyone except that gr cty football coach who kept pulling the awesome one around on the field after he told him to get off of him!

Ask the new 220 lb state champ he will tell the truth as people have said and noticed they are respectful and good kids . As for dad being in the room he was promised he could coach after passing his background check and after doing so Grant backed out , do you honestly think any coach at grant could teach or keep Stephen or Austin at the level they are on or have been on , not hardly !

Anyone saying dad who has coached and trained them for years shouldn't be in or shouldn't have expected to be in that room because he wa needed and knows it is an idiot , second yr coaches who haven't even coached 1 full yrs schedule vs a dad who has coached youth an jr high for over ten yrs and set in the chair while his kids won very grade school and jr high title in their state including 2 state ows , doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the concern and desire to be in the room ,

Now back to what really happened after being lied to about being able to coach and having a team mom who gives herself extra titles team mom / Assistant coordinator whatever the he// that is on her paper headings and yes I have copy's !freak out and interrupt a private conversation and tell dad to get his own team " well I didn't get my own team but I sure as he// picked a doozy "after telling ms team mom to kindly mind her own buisness and her still ranting about her te not being as to enjoy their 2 nd place trophy because of me because the opposition didn't like me "yes out coaching and beating someone had that effect often times " I told my boys to get their stuff and lets go no one is screaming at me like that in front of people and no one like that will have authority over my kids .

Now as for the other incident my boy return to practice an the coach and I use this term lightly tells my boy to get thee shite and get out of his room and when asked why he says the boys mom gave his daughter a dirty look ,not exactly ordinary coaching behavior and not exactly how one would be expected to treat two kids who are good boys and uh .... Decent wrestlers as for the team mom her final words to me we're we don't need your boys we would do just as well without them , funny all the parents of the kids I helped seemed to think different and yeah the kiss liked their singlets me and my wife designed and ordered for the team the boys looked good in them , good kids out there in grant cty actually a lot better team than they ended up in my arrogance had I been there they would have sent 5 to state not 1 , they did well off of what They were learning and Austin was a great influence on them and Stephen was an would have been more so given time . Either way it done why bring it up heck the grant coach is such a cc worshiper he is probably happy he obviously pushed for Austin to be a 1 seed for some reason at reg .

When you don't know simple moves let alone complex ones cert rules match rules and on and on I think you would expect the dad of two state champs who have wrestled across the country and are nationally ranked to have concerns and what to safeguard his kids , , good lick to grant there ate some great people there I wish we could have helped them it would have been nice but egos got in the way a coach shouldn't be concerned with wanting credit for kids moving to town an making a fresh captain over a ha state champ andmultiple AA because he figures he will get cred one day for the fresh and the jr only has two yrs left that's beyond ignorance and arrogance ,

I guess, since you are so great- CC head coach closed practices on your arrival. Also, you were informed they did not need you to coach. I did some research, you did not pass a background check and were too cheap to pay for the USA background check to show your proof. It really does not matter. Your kids are good student-athletes, but it was not anyones fault but yours. It is also known, you have been asked to behave in the stands at CC or you and your kids would be asked to leave their too. The truth is, after digging and asking, your kids were asked to leave in order to get you away from the other athletes due to you lack of morality and actions in front of them. The facts are the facts

If it really doesn't matter, then why be a troll. It's history, so why not get a life and move on.

I guess, since you are so great- CC head coach closed practices on your arrival. Also, you were informed they did not need you to coach. I did some research, you did not pass a background check and were too cheap to pay for the USA background check to show your proof. It really does not matter. Your kids are good student-athletes, but it was not anyones fault but yours. It is also known, you have been asked to behave in the stands at CC or you and your kids would be asked to leave their too. The truth is, after digging and asking, your kids were asked to leave in order to get you away from the other athletes due to you lack of morality and actions in front of them. The facts are the facts

Not sure what happened on my arrival as far as closed practices at cc ,no one informed me of anything as far as coaching I never asked and never was asked .

But what for sure happened was the more than a decade of time effort and hard work my boys and I put into their wrestling helped CC win a state title:)

I did pass a USA background check and have already passed it before .after being told I could coach if I passed and doing so I was told I. Could not doesn't matter me and either one of my sons knows more about wrestling than anyone and everyone who coul have coached them there no disrespect they an everyone at GC knew that .

I think it's obvious your a delusional troublemaker my morals were far greater than those of the head coach at GC ask my student athlete state champ sons they will shoot you straight not that you deserve it you are an idiot GC pot stirer no doubt ,

I would certainly like to hear who you get your info from and who had the big ones to ask me to behave in the stands for 1' thing I'm a 43 yr old man and would probably take offense to that request and I'm sure you an everyone else would have heard about the resulting reply lol and I doubt my boys woul have been wearing purple and gold had I been so rudely talked to .

2 nd of all lol when no one scores on your boys and most never see the end of the third it's usually calm in the stands hahaha

As for my coaching I am not great or terrible and my reputation that people like you try to smudge always outshines your kind of mudslinging because Gold is bright . In other words don't be a hater or a sore loser because I'm better at what I do than you and the majority ,honestly I have seen more wrestling and on a higher level and coached kids against higher caliber opponents than the majority of coaches in KY certainly at least 10 times the amount of any coach at GC .

I have played your game before you make a bunch of ignorant remarks trying to get me to blast people . No one asked me to do anything in the stands I do and always will do as I see fit .I passed all the checks and was lied to at GC because a coach had an inferiority complex and a team mom tripped as I said ask my sons they will not lie ,

Guess you were bored and I'm sure everyone at CC coaches parents and students can back everything I have said lol

And as for CC I think everyone is happy thus far and it's not me who has to live up to anyone's standards my methods morals and ethics have proven themselves through the actions of my sons not only on the Matt but off.

As I said ask them they will not lie .

Lol I just responded to someone with 2 posts I'm slipping

Kardashians of Kentucky wrestling...wow

Wth is a ukpride wrestler are you somehow the only sec wrestler in existence and are you fixated on kardashians or just some closet queen stick to bball uk you must know more about it than wrestling .

Seriously blasting on someone who's son is about to be the biggest 4 timer in the history of the sport in your state as well as the father of a 3 x All American, two kids I have trained since 1st grade who simply well .... Electrify and invigorate this sport with talent moves and drama , you would have been one of the idiots who blasted on Ali back in the day a perpetual buffoon so out of touch with the sport he is commenting on that he doesn't know when to stop eating crow I have brought you a gift and you have slapped me in the face how funny people are the more you do for some the more they resent you .

Thats ok I have plenty more to give dude I'm dr Frankenstein and my monster is still being made its crasy I literally walk around the gym with my friends while we laugh our -$$3$ off watching Austin do the most insane crap you have ever seen a kid his age do . Keep talking I will keep bragging and soon a whole bunch of kids will be turning heads on the Matt because it's go time .

Never explain. Your friends do not need it and your enemies will not believe it anyway. ~Elbert Hubbard, A Thousand and One Epigrams, 1911

I can respect the passion, but the arrogant misconceptions of reality is not an excuse for your half-truths. I wonder who will take this to another level.

Hmmmm....Maybe someone with a complex...we will see.

Wth is a ukpride wrestler are you somehow the only sec wrestler in existence and are you fixated on kardashians or just some closet queen stick to bball uk you must know more about it than wrestling .

Seriously blasting on someone who's son is about to be the biggest 4 timer in the history of the sport in your state as well as the father of a 3 x All American, two kids I have trained since 1st grade who simply well .... Electrify and invigorate this sport with talent moves and drama , you would have been one of the idiots who blasted on Ali back in the day a perpetual buffoon so out of touch with the sport he is commenting on that he doesn't know when to stop eating crow I have brought you a gift and you have slapped me in the face how funny people are the more you do for some the more they resent you .

Thats ok I have plenty more to give dude I'm dr Frankenstein and my monster is still being made its crasy I literally walk around the gym with my friends while we laugh our -$$3$ off watching Austin do the most insane crap you have ever seen a kid his age do . Keep talking I will keep bragging and soon a whole bunch of kids will be turning heads on the Matt because it's go time .

Not sure what happened on my arrival as far as closed practices at cc ,no one informed me of anything as far as coaching I never asked and never was asked .

But what for sure happened was the more than a decade of time effort and hard work my boys and I put into their wrestling helped CC win a state title:)

I did pass a USA background check and have already passed it before .after being told I could coach if I passed and doing so I was told I. Could not doesn't matter me and either one of my sons knows more about wrestling than anyone and everyone who coul have coached them there no disrespect they an everyone at GC knew that .

I think it's obvious your a delusional troublemaker my morals were far greater than those of the head coach at GC ask my student athlete state champ sons they will shoot you straight not that you deserve it you are an idiot GC pot stirer no doubt ,

I would certainly like to hear who you get your info from and who had the big ones to ask me to behave in the stands for 1' thing I'm a 43 yr old man and would probably take offense to that request and I'm sure you an everyone else would have heard about the resulting reply lol and I doubt my boys woul have been wearing purple and gold had I been so rudely talked to .

2 nd of all lol when no one scores on your boys and most never see the end of the third it's usually calm in the stands hahaha

As for my coaching I am not great or terrible and my reputation that people like you try to smudge always outshines your kind of mudslinging because Gold is bright . In other words don't be a hater or a sore loser because I'm better at what I do than you and the majority ,honestly I have seen more wrestling and on a higher level and coached kids against higher caliber opponents than the majority of coaches in KY certainly at least 10 times the amount of any coach at GC .

I have played your game before you make a bunch of ignorant remarks trying to get me to blast people . No one asked me to do anything in the stands I do and always will do as I see fit .I passed all the checks and was lied to at GC because a coach had an inferiority complex and a team mom tripped as I said ask my sons they will not lie ,

Guess you were bored and I'm sure everyone at CC coaches parents and students can back everything I have said lol

And as for CC I think everyone is happy thus far and it's not me who has to live up to anyone's standards my methods morals and ethics have proven themselves through the actions of my sons not only on the Matt but off.

As I said ask them they will not lie .

And as for CC I think everyone is happy thus far

I can think of at least on family at CC that is not happy thus far with your presents at CC.

"confonted you with facts from CC people.... It is obvious that people at CC do not like you." They tolerate you for your kids sake.

Like I said, Troll. How many families have you talked to, 1? If the son of that one family would have cut to 147 like he said he was going to at the beginning of the season, I don't think you would find 1.

Don't drag us back into this conversation. My opinions will be held to myself, and would appreciate if everyone else would leave it that way.

There were a lot of ifs and mistakes made by many parties involved.

As I said ask my sons "because they are the ones involved " violent" I'm not the football coach who jerks kids around over and over on the field because my incompetent coaching cannot produce Ws maybe you better check past USA records I have been a USA coach and passed their checks how the h do you think my boys won all those fr gr state titles with me in the corner ????????

Saying GC has a program and wouldn't without their coach is like trying to say Germany had a leader but would not have without Hitler ,doesn't make anything they do honest fair or right ,

Dont care who you say you get your info from seems there is more than one troublemaker .

I was promised quite a lot at GC my wife sons and most every kid coach and parent at GC know this as fact my phone rang every night for months with requests for help that was freely given and never returned , as far as my kids were concerned .

Not sure who likes me or not at CC the politics of wrestling are varied and full of likes and dislikes many of them morally and ethically unsound or warranted , here's a fact for you and everyone else though I have done nothing to CC or anyone at CC except bring my sons and offer support anyone with any problems with me must have a complex of their own

As for violent coaches running kids into tables and slamming your own kid threatening to break their fn neck is not really appropriate behavior for a coach . As I said ask my kids they can BACK everything I say not because I lie but because they saw the same thing, just as many have but chose to ignore just to keep a team and avoid backlash , not going to apologize for being honest or taking up for my kids and anyone who has issues with me at CC I hope they enjoy those signs all around the school ..... You know the ones that read CCHS wrestling STATE CHAMPS , because that's what my boys are and their team is and if someone doesn't like how I do anything they should step up and do it better but it's already to late . CC is about to have a 4 timer no matter who likes it but I'm sure most do and those that do not are simply envious haters .

Sorry BL yours was not the one i was thinking about.

I was thinking about the 45lber that quit and his family and friends.

Thank you. As I have said. We have made peace with the Meyers. My son calls Stephen a freind, and has been to the house a couple of times. I myself have cooled down a little. My wife however? Well we all know how moms are. She has burned many of the CC stuff and gave away the rest. Not much I can do about it. Mom's in general are probably more emotional than the Dads.

My only hope is that my son continues wrestling. I, like every other dad, hopes he wins every match, but just competing is good enough for me.

Running from in Ohio ,lol where have you been the last few yrs you obviously do not follow Ohio wrestling My sons would have went through Their High school careers breaking every school record that Stephen doesn't already have and been multiple x champs and placers , you better read the walls at Moe and Reading and look at the history of OAC wrestling that name "MYERS " that would be my sons ,

The question isn't what did we run from but what are you trying to run us away from ,

I like Ky , I like my boys winning state, I like my boys team winning state ,I like going for 4 For one and 3 for another , I like the fact that it bothers you because you need something to irritate you because you could not create two kids like mine i like exposing you because your a piece of .............. Unknown history a wannabee troublemaker hiding behind new posts and who knows what else lol

Thank you. As I have said. We have made peace with the Meyers. My son calls Stephen a freind, and has been to the house a couple of times. I myself have cooled down a little. My wife however? Well we all know how moms are. She has burned many of the CC stuff and gave away the rest. Not much I can do about it. Mom's in general are probably more emotional than the Dads.

My only hope is that my son continues wrestling. I, like every other dad, hopes he wins every match, but just competing is good enough for me.

Careful BullDog, the inveiglement of the Kentucky Wrestling Kardashian drama can deluge the mortal mind.

inveiglement

Ok did anyone else besides myself have to look this word up? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inveiglement

GOOd word, huh?

I'm enjoying this tremendously !!

I like Stephen, Austin and Mr. Myers and the little squirt too

I'm sure the inveiglement will grow on everyone as the boys grow older and enjoy the precious rings . I can't wait till next yr it should be an exciting race again I'm not so sure who will be top dog CC losing 2 state champs and then some and others returning loaded teams . From all the kids whos parents reportedly do not like me that I have talked to they think they have a good chance of repeating .

As for GC and whoever is still stirring the pot that's old news let it go we are gone worry about yourselves not us we are out of that mess I feel for the kids there but nothing else I can do ,

I just thought that was funny that someone actually said "kardashians of kentucky wrestling"... hence the laughing emoticon. And my name was pride wrestler before I forgot my password. Graduated from UK. Pride (comes from pride fighting championships) and wrestler (self explanatory).

Yeah that's hillarious , here's something else funny as heck , two state champion brothers who went undefeated and unscored on this year . Call us what you will uk pride wrestler .

You or anyone else has never seen it happen before may never again , I call that untouchable not kardashian .

And congrats on your college education . I am sure that when the little kardashians graduate after their free college rides for wrestling they will not be hanging on wrestling message boards blasting on wrestling kids and over zealous dads ,

Now that's funny

I saw Travis Sullivan pin everyone in the 1st period except one person and he pinned him 40 sec into second period. It was at 103 but a feat never the same. I don't think anybody scores on him either but not 100% sure.

What the older Myers kid was doing to everyone was pretty impressive as well.

Ouch, well I guess I'm you need to spend more time on 101 computer skills instead of this site being a over zealous dad to know that I was just saying that was a funny remark. Since I'm on here I do have a question for you. What will you do when your child 1 makes it to your so called D1 which by the way Ky is at the bottom of the list when it comes to wrestling is the worst "so your kid 1 is looking weak as sh__ " winning KY. and child 2 which is still in KY and I have already explained what the rest of the states look at this state. How will you find the time to talk smack on this site being a over zealous dad on Ky sites and calling the DI,DII, DIII, NAIA, and Junior College kid Coach asking why your kids isn't starting this year and why he is being forced to redshirt.

Ouch, well I guess I'm you need to spend more time on 101 computer skills instead of this site being a over zealous dad to know that I was just saying that was a funny remark. Since I'm on here I do have a question for you. What will you do when your child 1 makes it to your so called D1 which by the way Ky is at the bottom of the list when it comes to wrestling is the worst "so your kid 1 is looking weak as sh__ " winning KY. and child 2 which is still in KY and I have already explained what the rest of the states look at this state. How will you find the time to talk smack on this site being a over zealous dad on Ky sites and calling the DI,DII, DIII, NAIA, and Junior College kid Coach asking why your kids isn't starting this year and why he is being forced to redshirt.

Are you actually blasting on my typing or computer skills college boy hahah.

As for my kid looking weak as sh-- he could have went D1 had he been a sr instead of a freshman after hi fresh yr like the kid who supposedly beat him at state by a point did , and that was 2 AA a and two undefeated seasons ago , I wouldn't care if they redshirted him at whatever level or college he goes to if he was happy with that ,

As for your comments about wrestling and college in Ky perhaps you shoul talk to GC and CC I'm sure they could inform you that a certain kid got letters quite often this year web when he wasn't cleared to wrestle .

I think you have my sons confused with someone else as for son 2 history pretty much shows many Bros end up at the same schools but who knows if you think Austin doesn't get looks for being in Ky you know less than I originally thought HaHa

I think you might be very surprised with child 1s list of letters and surprised with where he has looked at from day 1

As for child 2 lmao he is already known across the country and has wrestled jr high champs from coast to coast and beat them all and is a fresh state champ pick a school and he will have a letter from them before he graduates HS I think he wants to play ball as well people used to tell him he wouldn't be able to do both but I doubt they will say that when the time comes but who knows its a while off .

You evidently need to research or learn about the sport before deciding kids futures as far as colleges go . Your last post was actually very funny indeed there will be an awful lot of people laughing after they read it.

I dont know of anyone playing a second sport and wrestling D1, that would be interesting to hear about if there is someone.

I think UK has some valid points about getting noticed in KY, it wont be his accomplishments while in KY that get the notice. Not to many full rides being offfered in wrestling, the OH championship as a soph. is going to get attention but both will have to continue to put up outside of KY. It will be expensive to keep their skills up to national caliber level working out in KY. Lots of trips across the river in their future.

Good luck hope they can pull it off!

I dont know of anyone playing a second sport and wrestling D1, that would be interesting to hear about if there is someone.

I think UK has some valid points about getting noticed in KY, it wont be his accomplishments while in KY that get the notice. Not to many full rides being offfered in wrestling, the OH championship as a soph. is going to get attention but both will have to continue to put up outside of KY. It will be expensive to keep their skills up to national caliber level working out in KY. Lots of trips across the river in their future.

Good luck hope they can pull it off!

Not to mention the fact that there are very few full rides for wrestling. I believe the number of schollies available for an entire team is something like 9.9. The vast majority are on partials. The need to travel every off season to Fargo, Super 32, and/or FloNats with the accompanying expense makes the goal of a wrestling scholarship a poor business plan. This does not take into account the in season expenses as well as year 'round training expenses. Wrestling is the most noble of all high school sports. What we take away from the sport is life lessons. Glory fades (and eventually ends up in a storage box), records are broken, names become but a footnote. What remains are the life lessons.

Not to mention the fact that there are very few full rides for wrestling. I believe the number of schollies available for an entire team is something like 9.9. The vast majority are on partials. The need to travel every off season to Fargo, Super 32, and/or FloNats with the accompanying expense makes the goal of a wrestling scholarship a poor business plan. This does not take into account the in season expenses as well as year 'round training expenses. Wrestling is the most noble of all high school sports. What we take away from the sport is life lessons. Glory fades (and eventually ends up in a storage box), records are broken, names become but a footnote. What remains are the life lessons.

Don't tell eville about life lessons. He doesn't believe they are learned in wrestling.

I know Tony Johnson from Lakota was a two sport athlete in college he was a stud and I actually think Austin is just as if not more capable . I always told him it wasn't really possible as did some of his coaches but he changed our minds . He will yours too .

If anyone could have done DI football and wrestling it was Luke Fickell. he didn't do it. The Stephen Neal approach is more plausible.

I forgot one. Dunyasha "Tubbo" Yetts did it. Picture a wicked fast 5'8" 185 lb rb and a extremely string and ripped 150 lb wrestler. He played/wrestled at Purdue in the early 1990s before transferring to tOSU and finishing 3rd at the NCAAs in 1995.

He subsequently became a sports agent and swindled Antoine Winfield and some others out of millions. He did time and returned to Steubenville and was coaching wrestling as a felon. He violated parole and is now back in prison.

The moral of the story is to stick to one sport and study!

Never tell a kid he cant do something, but one sport in D1 is a great alternative.

That's a funny story but Im not worried about Austin scamming millions . But 1 sport would be fine , just saying its a dream of his for now .

I forgot one. Dunyasha "Tubbo" Yetts did it. Picture a wicked fast 5'8" 185 lb rb and a extremely string and ripped 150 lb wrestler. He played/wrestled at Purdue in the early 1990s before transferring to tOSU and finishing 3rd at the NCAAs in 1995.

He subsequently became a sports agent and swindled Antoine Winfield and some others out of millions. He did time and returned to Steubenville and was coaching wrestling as a felon. He violated parole and is now back in prison.

The moral of the story is to stick to one sport and study!

I saw Yetts get choked out by Kolat at the Big10 tourney the year he placed 3rd at the NC2As. Helickison went crazy. Not OttoCrazy but, Kolat was pretty good at hiding that front headlock/choke.