Stand-up, I hope they stay too. I wish that parents and their kids could see through the line of bologna that one of Louisville's private schools feeds us. I have heard that North is a superior school in academics. They are also on the rise in athletics, if the athletes will stay and wrestle (or play football) where they originally learned the sport. Where's the loyality? Trust me parents, they're not worth it.

What line of bologna is it you are suggesting about private schools in Louisville. I'm not from Trinity, but come on, 3rd in state at wrestling, 1st in state at football (3rd in nation), 1st in basketball. Great education and an alumni association that lasts a lifetime and surpasses any public school in the state No one at any private school is going after either one of these kids. Do you even know the situation? I know that one of these two did not originally learn the sport at N.O. as you suggest. I say if parents can afford to give their children better oppurtunities, then why not. Nothing against North, it is a wonderful school, but dont hate on a private institution "just because". Ultimately the decision will be up to the parents and their kids with no influence from any private school. They train togethor so most likely if one leaves the other will follow, mainly because they are close in weight and ability. Either way they are great wrestlers, and great kids and will continue to be in the future, best of luck to them.

I'll tell you what the bologna is. The belief that private schools are academically superior. There is no way that is true. In private schools they only get the more academically geared kids. Public schools not only offer more diversity in classes, but they teach EVERYONE. They don't have the luxury to kick a kid out if they don't meet academic standards or keep them from attending their school because of their academic standards.

If you need any help at all. Such as special education help. Most private schools cannot help and the kids end up going to the public school and succeeding where they would have failed at the private school.

Sorry that is my soap box.

However if you attend a private school because of religious regions that’s a whole different scenario and it is your best option.

GOO I can only speak for the schools in Jefferson County, and I will tell you that even though public schools can not kick people out, they might as well. There is a line drawn in the public schools and if you are not on the right side of the line then you are left way behind. After the separation has been established, very remedial (elementary level) work is given to students just to "get them thru" high school. This benefits no one, I have seen this first hand in the public school system here. Out of the 22 high schools in Jefferson County only a handful even come close to the standards set by any of the private schools, and yes if you are not a part of a cluster to schools like Male, Butler, Manual, Ballard, they can and will turn you away, they also only accept academically geared kids, and I know for a fact that my son was approached by faculty at some of these public schools for athletic reasons only (not once by any private school). I also know that the private schools here take extra steps to prepare kids for college and offer as much as a diverse experience for kids attending. 99% maturation rate to college says alot when some public schools are'nt even graduating 60% of their kids. If you are speaking outside of Jefferson County I have no argument because I have no familiarity with any of those school systems.

I know of boys who were tested for learning disabilities at ST.X so the teachers could alter the way they teach them and their schedules are changed to help them progress where they are behind.I was told by a Trinity teacher that they have programs to help the students who dont test well on entrance exams.

I for one can speak on the public situation i was in remedial classes and by far i was not givin elementary work to just be passed thru as you say they do, i received more work because of my situation in the learning process and now i have been graduated from those classes and it has helped me alot i know at my school moore traditional we have a class called MAP which is called moore advisory period which happens every wed. for 30-40 minutes and i am in a class with other students with my learning disability and we talk out how we are progressing in our ILP (individual learning plan) and iep (individual education plan) i have adhd and ocd that affect my learning in class and public school sets you up for succes, dont get me wrong yes there are some students that couldnt care less about school but what can i say its a PUBLIC school, i can not comment on private schools very much because i do not attend them

"In addition to Trinity’s academic programs, our Learning Support Program offers academic assistance to students with documented learning differences." This is straight off of Trinity's website. Anyone can go to ky.gov and see the report cards of the schools in your local area. Moore was only 54.61% proficient or distinguished in reading (goal is 74.66%), 45.63% in math (goal 69.3%), with a graduation rate of 62.06% (goal 86.75%). Moore is one of the schools in my home cluster, along with schools like Seneca, J-Town, Fern Creek, Southern, which all have similar scores. Dont believe it then just look for yourself, school report cards are public record, they also contain info such as number of arrestable assaults, drug crimes, and other information. I'm not saying that you cant recieve a good education in the public school system, yes you can, but private schools are also a great place to recieve an education and I'm glad that they can expel students who bring drugs to school when others cant.

public schools can kick kids out and send them to alt. schools like liberty,kennedy, jeff. co., buechel, and buckner(oc school)

public schools can kick kids out and send them to alt. schools like liberty,kennedy, jeff. co., buechel, and buckner(oc school)

You are correct, I was only referencing something I had read on the school report card where they had 30 drug offenses but zero expulsions. Sorry I didnt make that clear. I know at X it is zero tolerance for drugs, so 30 offenses would've = 30 expulsions. mat-king I am glad that you took what they offered you and bettered yourself, that is awesome, I too went to a public school, Seneca, and when I spoke of elementary work, I seen it first hand, things like two digit addition equations, it was part of a program called Seneca Academy, it was a way to graduate kids who might not have otherwise. It in no way benefited the kids except for the fact they recieved a diploma ( with little education), it seemed more like a way to boost numbers for graduation rates than a way to help educate those involved.

What line of bologna is it you are suggesting about private schools in Louisville. I'm not from Trinity, but come on, 3rd in state at wrestling, 1st in state at football (3rd in nation), 1st in basketball. Great education and an alumni association that lasts a lifetime and surpasses any public school in the state No one at any private school is going after either one of these kids. Do you even know the situation? I know that one of these two did not originally learn the sport at N.O. as you suggest. I say if parents can afford to give their children better oppurtunities, then why not. Nothing against North, it is a wonderful school, but dont hate on a private institution "just because". Ultimately the decision will be up to the parents and their kids with no influence from any private school. They train togethor so most likely if one leaves the other will follow, mainly because they are close in weight and ability. Either way they are great wrestlers, and great kids and will continue to be in the future, best of luck to them.

The bologna which I write about is the belief that the green and white education is superior or that your kid will become a top wrestler in the state of KY or that he will become President or any other line of bologna that is handed out. As for education, the green and white has at least six levels of education to offer. Any school can make any student look good if you slow it down enough. As for the superior alumni that Mike claims, it is a good alumni association. However, not superior to a few of the public school alumni or booster associations which I have been associated. I will admit, they have "one of the winningest" athletic programs money can buy. Let's be honest for a minute. Who's paying for it? I'll tell you. The parents who are paying full tuition are the ones paying for the top football team or the 3rd place wrestling team (by the way, your money bought 3rd place behind not one, but two public schools. High price to pay for 3rd place). If your kid enrolls there, he will likely become nothing more than a practice player for the athlete the school really wanted. Parents, if you believe for a minute they won't replace your kid with a better athlete next year if one comes along, better think again. If your kid gets hurt, you will likely lose your scholarship (I know, they don't offer scholarships, they offer financial assistance to fast, athletic football players). Mike, I can't speak about your kid being approached and I don't doubt it. This is the present situation in Jefferson Co and it is a direct result of the tactics of at least one private school. I can also say that three of my sons were also approached over the years by the green and white and offered "financial assistance." I didn't see the green and white on W. Broadway offering under privledged children financial assistance. My sons were all approached for athletic reasons.

Can anyone please tell me what is accomplished by "acquiring" the better athletes in the state or states (notice I didn't say county), and defeating the other area schools who are trying to keep priorities straight. Don't get me wrong, I love to win, but I won't try to win at all costs. I admire the teams who can win with level playing fields. For those of you who make all the excuses for attending the green and white, good luck. But you're not getting a better education than you would get at Ballard, Eastern, Male or Manual or a few other area schools. So what is the true reason you want to attend school there?

I sent my sons to St.X because of the moral emphasis the coaches at rivercity and St.X make a high priority in their program.We are allowed to mention God when giving a young man advice and we can pray as team.The harm done to public schools by taking the Pledge of Allegiance and prayer out of schools is obvious .The right to demand a higher moral standard from students is why I pay for my sons education.

Like I said, I am not affiliated with Trinity. You speak of kids getting replaced if a better one comes along, um sorry but I'm pretty sure that happens everywhere ie. wrestle offs (CC is a good example). Public or private, thats the nature of the beast. I know at X that all financial assistance money is handled by an outsourced company in Ohio that only bases their decisions on income, household size, and money available. No where on the financial assistance application does it ask what sport does your child play. Also seems that all the schools you named are pretty much the same public schools I had named, the list does not go much further than that (check the report cards). These schools even though public, do turn away students, and believe it or not may take into special consideration for certain athletes. I know of quite a few underprivildged students who have attended private institutions, but no you're right, they were not approached, nor were the ones who could afford it. I dont know who approached your sons but I know alot of young champion athletes who have never been by private but only by public. Alot of the rec football youth leagues play at high schools and there are always people from the schools there. I dont know who fed you the bologna, but you got to do whats best for your kid, if it was a former alum bragging because most alum support the school, then that has nothing to do with the school itself.

I'm done, enough said. Like my son said "wrestling has made me who I am today". Not only because of the sport, but like workhard has said, because of the morality and ethics instilled into these young men by the wonderful coaches at programs like River City and St. X. There is a standard set at these programs, not athletically, but ethically. My son wants the discipline set at X, he asked to attend the school. If you ever see any of the students from these schools, just ask them, that is where the true answers lies.

As anyone who reads my post can clearly read, my problem is not with St. X. I cannot make any claims about St. X stretching any ethics or rules. I do however levy claims against the green and white. I personally know how they acquire their athletes. Yes, sometimes athletes are replaced in public school when a better athlete comes along. However, public schools do not try to deceive a child and his unsuspecting parents and try to make them believe their son is the next big thing, only to replace him when another recruit comes along. Now, the first kid becomes a practice player for the second kid. As the green and white knows all too well, the first kid is now unavailable to play for the competition. They win in more than one way and the first kid loses in every way. Meanwhile, mom and dad are still paying through the nose. A good friend of mine who has sent three sons through that school once told me, "If my family were not Catholic and we were not EXPECTED to be there, I would not send my son there. It's a lot of money just to belong to a feel good club." I think change is in the wind. The majority of people have had enough. I personally couldn't feel good about winning with a team that acquired its players without the same set of rules as the competition. As my Dad used to say, "Sure, it's easy to shoot a bird sitting on a wire or catch fish in a barrell, but what have you really accomplished?"

I just want to say real quick i am not bagging on private school they have tools and use them and it works and they do great but i am just saying that you can receive just the same education if you work hard at public schools( just wanted to throw that in there because of others bagging on private schools because i have no problem with them)

The difference I see is that the private schools dont really let a lot of kids just get by like you can easily do in public schools. I went to Pleasure Ridge Park, pushed myself, took honors classes and got a pretty good education. At college I was in the same classes as the kids that came from private schools and my bachelors degree is the same as theirs as well. In high school I seen a lot of kids do the minimum and get passed through. I would always joke on the people that would flunk out because all I figured you HAVE to do is show up to pass. From what I have heard, this does not happen as much in private schools like Trinity and X.

I sent my sons to St.X because of the moral emphasis the coaches at rivercity and St.X make a high priority in their program.We are allowed to mention God when giving a young man advice and we can pray as team.The harm done to public schools by taking the Pledge of Allegiance and prayer out of schools is obvious .The right to demand a higher moral standard from students is why I pay for my sons education.

That can be done in public schools as well. I coach at a public school and we pray after practices, meets, etc sometimes. I frequently mention God when giving advice or trying to motivate as well. I've invited Coach Parks to come speak multiple times at practices about FCA and give his testimony. Those things can be done at public schools. I guess the difference is that I'm not really concerned or worried about being reprimanded for it although I don't think that would happen where I coach. Anyway, I think the biggest advantage to private vs. public is networking. Most kids don't understand how important that is while they're in high school, but find out how important it really is when they apply for jobs after college.

Good luck to you Coach Shofner wherever your path may lead you, and like always thank you Ranger, your input is always looked forward to, and wrestling against your team has always been an exciting challenge.

The difference I see is that the private schools dont really let a lot of kids just get by like you can easily do in public schools. I went to Pleasure Ridge Park, pushed myself, took honors classes and got a pretty good education. At college I was in the same classes as the kids that came from private schools and my bachelors degree is the same as theirs as well. In high school I seen a lot of kids do the minimum and get passed through. I would always joke on the people that would flunk out because all I figured you HAVE to do is show up to pass. From what I have heard, this does not happen as much in private schools like Trinity and X.

old140, I see what you are trying to say. This is a big misconception with Trinity. The general public belives that Trinity has a great academic program because their students all seem to have great grades and in their upper, higher achieving levels they are as good as any of the public schools, but not better. The truth is that Trinity has at least six different levels of academics. The highest achievers to the lowest. Most public high schools have three or four. The difference as I see it is that public schools do not invent lower standards just to cater to the low achieving athlete. Before anybody goes off on a tangent, I realize that there are many high and medium achieving athletes in all schools. My point, Trinity has invented a very low academic level to help the kid that can run fast, carry a ball or wrestle. On this particular subject, their priorities are skewed. What is the lower achieving athlete to do in the real world after Trinity is done with him?

All I gotta say is....wow? You believe that???

What line of bologna is it you are suggesting about private schools in Louisville. I'm not from Trinity, but come on, 3rd in state at wrestling, 1st in state at football (3rd in nation), 1st in basketball. Great education and an alumni association that lasts a lifetime and surpasses any public school in the state No one at any private school is going after either one of these kids. Do you even know the situation? I know that one of these two did not originally learn the sport at N.O. as you suggest. I say if parents can afford to give their children better oppurtunities, then why not. Nothing against North, it is a wonderful school, but dont hate on a private institution "just because". Ultimately the decision will be up to the parents and their kids with no influence from any private school. They train togethor so most likely if one leaves the other will follow, mainly because they are close in weight and ability. Either way they are great wrestlers, and great kids and will continue to be in the future, best of luck to them.

Like I said, I am not affiliated with Trinity. You speak of kids getting replaced if a better one comes along, um sorry but I'm pretty sure that happens everywhere ie. wrestle offs (CC is a good example). Public or private, thats the nature of the beast. I know at X that all financial assistance money is handled by an outsourced company in Ohio that only bases their decisions on income, household size, and money available. No where on the financial assistance application does it ask what sport does your child play. Also seems that all the schools you named are pretty much the same public schools I had named, the list does not go much further than that (check the report cards). These schools even though public, do turn away students, and believe it or not may take into special consideration for certain athletes. I know of quite a few underprivildged students who have attended private institutions, but no you're right, they were not approached, nor were the ones who could afford it. I dont know who approached your sons but I know alot of young champion athletes who have never been by private but only by public. Alot of the rec football youth leagues play at high schools and there are always people from the schools there. I dont know who fed you the bologna, but you got to do whats best for your kid, if it was a former alum bragging because most alum support the school, then that has nothing to do with the school itself.

The difference I see is that the private schools dont really let a lot of kids just get by like you can easily do in public schools. I went to Pleasure Ridge Park, pushed myself, took honors classes and got a pretty good education. At college I was in the same classes as the kids that came from private schools and my bachelors degree is the same as theirs as well. In high school I seen a lot of kids do the minimum and get passed through. I would always joke on the people that would flunk out because all I figured you HAVE to do is show up to pass. From what I have heard, this does not happen as much in private schools like Trinity and X.

You are absolutely right. They don't let them get by. If the kid gets out of hand they get rid of him. Unless he is an athlete that contributes. Same thing at those public schools that are basically private schools. Male, Manual

Pisstlpete--Obviously you are a very jealous, bitter man. You take a post that was intended to give Ranger a good natured jab for not giving North Oldham wrestlers their props, and you take the opportunity to rant about some deep seeded animosity towards Trinity?! The point that was lost in the thread after you skewed its path was very articulately brought back to the surface by Mr. Calhoun stating that faith and instilling moral compass is a very important factor when deciding where to send his sons. You never once took into consideration that the families of the boys in question even brought athletics into their decision making process. You even went as far as questioning loyalty as if wrestling is the only thing that is important in a high school career. Your myopic view of Trinity is very sad, but it has made me want to further evaluate Trinity and St. X for my son. If jealousy and bitterness is spewed to your athletes that you coach, I would rather pay my $$ and have the Trinity or St. X coaches tell my son that people will be gunning for him because he attends such a school, and to accept the challenge and rise above the vitriol. Mr. Calhoun, I appreciate your take on this and you may have inadvertently "recruited" another boy into the Catholic school system. If the boys in question ultimately attend Trinity and do wrestle, I hope they have great high school careers...and I hope the same for the North Oldham wrestling program.

I'm happy for you Fireman. However, if you really read the thread, which you either did not or want to charge into some misguided attempt to defend the offenders, you will see that my first post was to let the NOHS coach know that his school and program was doing a great job and to ask about the rumor. You obviously have a hidden agenda here. My guess is that you are somehow associated with one of the schools you mentioned and want to detract from my posts. As far as animosity is concerned, you bet. Whenever Trinity has to play by the same rules as everybody else, maybe the animosity the general pubic feels toward them will begin to subside. Trinity feels some sort of great accomplishment in playing the KY football or KY basketball or KY wrestling championships with the athletes that they chase all over various states and counties. I say BIG DEAL. What have they really accomplished? Please refer to my earlier reference about catching fish in a barrell. Trinity should be ashamed if they ever lose ANY competition, but they do. I want to again state that my views DO NOT include St. X as an unethical rule stretcher. I do not know much about them. I can even go as far to say that St. X seems to have ethics and priorities where this topic is concerned. I can't say that for the green and white athletics. Their version has become perverse. If anyone wants a fine example of priorites in a private school, take a look at CAL. My kids did not attend CAL but I wish they did. Maybe Trinity should take a tour. I did and what I found was God and academics and character came first. fireman, I hope your kid does attend Trinity. I can then read your posts in a few years and remind you of today. Good luck.

Whatsoever you did for the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me (Mt 25:40)

Trinity is committed to the values of compassion and personal responsibility. The long tradition of Catholic social teaching and action is grounded in the belief of the dignity of all humans and that people have a right and a duty to participate in society, seeking together the common good and well-being of all, especially the poor and vulnerable. We strive to guide students toward a path of compassion, responsibility and morality – this is why we place such an emphasis on service projects. Trinity hosts school-wide projects that benefit the Red Cross, Dare to Care, Catholic Relief Services and many more. In addition, students have an individual service requirement for each class.

Above is from Trinity's website. Yea, admitting to harboring animosity towards a school that stands for compassion and personal responsibility definitely isn't misplaced bitterness at all. The graduating class logged over 20,000 hours of community service...that same community in which you are blessed enough to call home. CAL is an awsome school, but what if the boys are Catholic?! Why wouldn't they want to attend Trinity soley based on that? You continue to wallow and moan about the sports when it is only a small part of why families choose Trinity. Trinity and St. X's reputations stand on their own merrit...sports aside. I have no hidden agenda. It's pretty straight forward--you bashed a very well respected school, a father of St. X boys explained the reasoning behind sending his kids to a Catholic high school, you separated Trinity from St. X, I am explaining why a family would choose Trinity. I firmly believe that public schools are great in many cases, but will not stand idly by and let some uninformed, misguided, bitter man regurgitate anecdotal stories as fact and not call you out. Did YOU not read the earlier post stating that all financial aid applicaitons are sent to a third party out of state? I'm fairly certain that there is no box to check or line to fill in a 40 time or vertical jump hight in the applications. As an FYI--I'm not a Trinity grad, nor do I have any skin in the game one way or the other. I just disapprove of such negativity...especially since you claim God, academics, and character are important to you. Hypocrite comes to mind, and sounds very appropriate.

_{Wow, sounds like this is turning into a Holy War. To stay a little on topic, Ranger, God thanks you as well.}

Nowhere in my posts did I say that Trinity did not perform some good. There are some fine people at that school. There are many, many hours logged for community service from all schools. It's a requirement at most if not all high schools. However, the bad cannot hide behind the good. Everyone in Jefferson Co. and throughout most of the state knows what kind of garbage goes on with their athletics. If Trinity truly wants genuine respect, it does not come in the form of wins on the athletic field. Respect is gained from dealing squarely with people. The American College Dictionary defines ethics as "The rules or standards governing the conduct of a person or the members of a profession.". They are obviously not doing so. Trinity does not govern by the same set of rules or standards in athletics as every other school in the state. I will admit that it is everybody's fault and not just Trinity's. They are merely taking advantage of hugh loopholes in the rules and/or relaxed enforcement of the rules. That still does not make it right or ethical. One last note, my statement concerning CAL was not based on religion. I would not hesitate to send my kid or kids to St. X or CAL if a good public school option were not present.

Please do not add any other posts to this thread concerning Trinity. This thread was and is intended to thank Ranger and I am sorry that it transformed . I will honor that intent of the thread. Thanks Ranger.

And there is no way any money from a local supporter could mysteriously find it's way in account outside of the place in Ohio...right....like saying noone in college gets extras either because they are regulated...

Whatsoever you did for the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me (Mt 25:40)

Trinity is committed to the values of compassion and personal responsibility. The long tradition of Catholic social teaching and action is grounded in the belief of the dignity of all humans and that people have a right and a duty to participate in society, seeking together the common good and well-being of all, especially the poor and vulnerable. We strive to guide students toward a path of compassion, responsibility and morality – this is why we place such an emphasis on service projects. Trinity hosts school-wide projects that benefit And therethe Red Cross, Dare to Care, Catholic Relief Services and many more. In addition, students have an individual service requirement for each class.

Above is from Trinity's website. Yea, admitting to harboring animosity towards a school that stands for compassion and personal responsibility definitely isn't misplaced bitterness at all. The graduating class logged over 20,000 hours of community service...that same community in which you are blessed enough to call home. CAL is an awsome school, but what if the boys are Catholic?! Why wouldn't they want to attend Trinity soley based on that? You continue to wallow and moan about the sports when it is only a small part of why families choose Trinity. Trinity and St. X's reputations stand on their own merrit...sports aside. I have no hidden agenda. It's pretty straight forward--you bashed a very well respected school, a father of St. X boys explained the reasoning behind sending his kids to a Catholic high school, you separated Trinity from St. X, I am explaining why a family would choose Trinity. I firmly believe that public schools are great in many cases, but will not stand idly by and let some uninformed, misguided, bitter man regurgitate anecdotal stories as fact and not call you out. Did YOU not read the earlier post stating that all financial aid applicaitons are sent to a third party out of state? I'm fairly certain that there is no box to check or line to fill in a 40 time or vertical jump hight in the applications. As an FYI--I'm not a Trinity grad, nor do I have any skin in the game one way or the other. I just disapprove of such negativity...especially since you claim God, academics, and character are important to you. Hypocrite comes to mind, and sounds very appropriate.

You talk of extras, but I can personally tell you that so called extras occur in the public school system. I remember getting good grades in a class where all I was asked to do was be the one who pushed the button on the projector or load movie reels, never did one of the 3 "required" reports. Also remember the assistant principal telling us "you're lucky we have a game Friday" then being sent home for the rest of the day with no record of suspension. Actually looking back on it I gotta laugh to myself "memeories" lol. But this is a fact that happens all over the country on many different levels. I'm not saying its right, I just dont see what your beef is with private institutions. Good athletes gravitate towards good programs, you dont have to go looking for them when they are coming inquiring about you. I've said it before "BUILD IT, AND THEY WILL COME". Like with anything, you cant please everyone, so of course there will be some who are dissatisfied, but ask those who have been there or are there now and I promise that the majority will have great things to say.

Mike Calhoun did not start this thread. I did. I have no dog in this fight but wanted to move the posts out of the Thanks Ranger Thread to make their own. Have fun.

Here is my only concern with this and it is totally on the academic side of things.

I did a little research and found that Trinity being a private school does not have to take the state standardized test. This means that their students are not required to take a standardized test (CATS/K-prep) which measures academic performance and growth compared to other students in the state and country. So there is no way to tell if those students are performing well or not, as for your college comment most of the students who attend the Trinities/X's come from wealthier families who regard education as a means to a better life and expect their kids to attend college (hence the reason they pay so much for highschool notice I said highschool not better school!!!). I also did a little research into scores on the ACT which is one of the tests to get into college. Of the 126 or so Private schools in the state of KY (not couniting charter schools) only 34 students have scored a 34-36 on the ACT test in the last 5 years. Of the public schools in the state 234 students have scored in the top 1% (34-36) in the last five years. So if your argument is founded on Level of eduacation then think again!!!!

Here is my only concern with this and it is totally on the academic side of things.

Of the 126 or so Private schools in the state of KY (not couniting charter schools) only 34 students have scored a 34-36 on the ACT test in the last 5 years. Of the public schools in the state 234 students have scored in the top 1% (34-36) in the last five years. So if your argument is founded on Level of eduacation then think again!!!!

This a very poor comparison, you list the number of private schools in the entire state. But this is a much smaller number than the number of public schools, also the average number of students at private institutions is way below the average number of students at public institutions. Total number of public high students in the state is 220,920. Total number of private high school students 14,611. That means .001% of pulic students vs .0023% of private school students had those type ACT scores, more thane twice as many percentage wise did better at private than at public. Sheesh, apples and oranges.

as for your college comment most of the students who attend the Trinities/X's come from wealthier families who regard education as a means to a better life and expect their kids to attend college (hence the reason they pay so much for highschool notice I said highschool not better school!!!).

Believe me I am far from wealthy, but I do regard education as a way to better one's self and yes I do expect my kids to go to college. Everyone should. From every class. Why wouldnt you?

Everyone is bashing trinity when they should be bashing the khsaa. They do nothing!! Schools are reported all the time for recruiting violations and nothing is done. Well if its one of the big dogs nothing is done. They like to make their examples out of the smaller schools. How outstanding does trinity look right now as a sports school in the nation?? It is ridiculous how good they are and because they are good at everything the state of KY and the KHSAA are in the spotlight as well. They would be stupid to go after them and they know it. Trinity in the championship game is huge money for khsaa. Khsaa keeps all profits from the class championship games themselves. A few years ago when X and trinity were on opposite sides of the football tournament the khsaa was raking in the dough when they met in the championship game. This is the one of largest high school games in the nation. I can't believe they put them in the same district. They took money out of their own pockets.

Some people say trinity is the best team money can buy.... it seems to me other people (khsaa) are getting paid as well. Are they being paid directly by trinity? NO but indirectly because of the success they are allow them to have by not enforcing rules. maybe someone needs to do an investigative report on what the khsaa members get paid and where all that money goes to!

It's useless to complain really. People are going to get by with what they are allowed to. once again... trinity is not the bad guy necessarily. They just have really bad parents (Khsaa)

MC;

I think you missed handcontrols point. His point was that not all the best students go to private schools, and that public schools produce just as many if not more highly successful students.

As for the comment about why would parents not want or expect their children to go to college? I would guess that you have not experienced poverty schools. In many of those schools the parents expect their children to get out of school as soon as possible and get a job doing whatever they can. I personally experienced this with my in-laws. While dating my future wife they could not understand why I was wasting my time going to college when I could be working making money instead of wasting money on college.

I also counter your number of students comparison with this.

private schools numbers are skewed because they don't have to take everyone, even those student that don't want to be in school and plan to drop out as soon as they can. Therefore public schools scores will always be lower.

I'm so happy that this thread has us all thinking about this problem. By my count there have been 1461 views. Obviously, some of us are interested. For all you coaches out there that want things to change, please consider my suggestion that requires any transfer to a private school to attend school in that private school's system for one year before that student can participate in athletics. That one simple, easily enforcable rule would greatly improve the ethics problem that exists. If we all don't start writing letters, making phone calls and talking to political officials the situation will never change. I for one will not sit by any longer. I am writing a letter tomorrow to the KHSAA and detailing all the rules violations that I witnessed with my kids. I urge all of you to do the same. After contacting the KHSAA, be sure to follow up with them. I think that Trent is correct. The KHSAA seems to be sitting on their hands except to hold them out for money. It's time for a change in leadership. Can anybody tell me how the KHSAA directors get their jobs?

GOO, I think you missed my point, In previous statements I even named some of the better schools academically in my area (unfortunately a couple are without wrestling), and I even stated that when I was in school a line was drawn, so there are plenty of people who are sucessful who came from that side of the line. Dont get me wrong, when I say a line was drawn there were pros and cons, the biggest pro being that those students who had the drive, sense and know how, were allowed to recieve a decent education by not being distracted by the rest. But skewed or not it is easy to have an example of a larger quanity when comparing 200,000 to 14,000. Thats like saying Johnny hit 10 free throws and Bob only hit 5, so Johnny must be better than Bob, without saying Johnny took 20 shots and Bob was 5 for 5. Saying that private schools only had 34 and public schools had 200 more without the rest of the facts is a poor representation of the truth. As far as the college statement I said everyone "should", I guess since you did yourself you might agree. And the why wouldnt you to me is still valid because I've seen plenty of people work and take classes, I remember thinking everybody ate crackers and government peanut butter (remember the wite can with black letters and a pic of a peanut, that just said peanut butter) and cheese for dinner, while my father struggled to work to pay his way thru college. GOO I dont know your in-laws and mean no disrespect when I say that they were wrong, and I'm sure you proved that to them. I dont feel I have once bashed any public school in any of my posts, only stated facts to retort comments left by others, that you can find for yourself. So why is it wrong for me to defend private institutions that people are on here bashing? We all have our own opinions, but thats all an opinion is and ever will be is an opinion, until the day it becomes a fact, then it is no longer an opinion. I have stated both, facts and opinions, facts are facts, and we are all entitled to our own opinions. Some better kept to ourselves, I'm guilty of that one. I think I've said enough on this subject, to each his own (or her), and do what you feel is right for your child (every situation is different), lets keep sports fun (and this forum, along with informative) and good luck to all of those athletes who give us lame'o parents something to talk about, lol. Thanks.

MC; I agree 100% that everyone has the right to choose where they send their kids. If you want your kids to have a religious education then private schools are the only way to do. I have no problem if people choose this road for thier rug-rats.

I however don't think a parent should choose where to send their kid because of athletics. This does not only apply to private schools. We have 2 public schools in NKY that draw kids to their school for Athletics. One in Campbell Co. and one in Kenton Co. Both draw much of the football talent to their school. I went to school with 2 kids that attended the county school until high school and because they were better than average football players found a way to attend the local powerhouse independent city school.

I'm not sure there ever will be an answer to the debate, almost every state has this problem. Some have went to public and private state tourneys. I sure hope this does not happen in KY.

As always.

These are the opinions of GOO nothing more nothing less.

Take them or leave them does not really matter in the scope of the universe.

Live long and prosper.

GOO out.

But the problem in using percents is that there is a large number of public school students who don't even take the ACT test becauses they aren't going to college, they are going to a trade school that doesn't require it, going to work in the coal mine or local factory or the family farm. And then there are the number of kids who don't graduate and don't ever plan on it so they don't take the test. And this is considering the amount of money that someone else is paying to get an athlete to the school not just the kids who are going to public school and paying nothing for it. And the percentage of kids going to college is of course higher for these reasons. I would never pay for my kids to go to high school just because of the school...I am not Catholic so that wouldn't convince me to send them there for that reason.

Like Trent said it starts at the top...way too much money being made off of them and so they don't want it to stop.

This a very poor comparison, you list the number of private schools in the entire state. But this is a much smaller number than the number of public schools, also the average number of students at private institutions is way below the average number of students at public institutions. Total number of public high students in the state is 220,920. Total number of private high school students 14,611. That means .001% of pulic students vs .0023% of private school students had those type ACT scores, more thane twice as many percentage wise did better at private than at public. Sheesh, apples and oranges.

Believe me I am far from wealthy, but I do regard education as a way to better one's self and yes I do expect my kids to go to college. Everyone should. From every class. Why wouldnt you?

MC; I agree 100% that everyone has the right to choose where they send their kids. If you want your kids to have a religious education then private schools are the only way to do. I have no problem if people choose this road for thier rug-rats.

I however don't think a parent should choose where to send their kid because of athletics. This does not only apply to private schools. We have 2 public schools in NKY that draw kids to their school for Athletics. One in Campbell Co. and one in Kenton Co. Both draw much of the football talent to their school. I went to school with 2 kids that attended the county school until high school and because they were better than average football players found a way to attend the local powerhouse independent city school.

I'm not sure there ever will be an answer to the debate, almost every state has this problem. Some have went to public and private state tourneys. I sure hope this does not happen in KY.

As always.

These are the opinions of GOO nothing more nothing less.

Take them or leave them does not really matter in the scope of the universe.

Live long and prosper.

GOO out.

It happens all the time in b-ball, if Rondo stayed at Eastern and didnt go to Oak Hill, then does he get the recognition to go to UK having not played against top high school programs at Eastern. If he doesnt go to UK, then is he drafted as high in the NBA draft. Lifes not fair sometimes, but I cant knock someone who believes their child has a talent and makes an effort to support that talent by sending them to a school more geared towards it. No one would say anything if your child played the violin or was an actor, so you decide to send them to the YPAS program at Manual. Or if your childs home school is Butler and you want them somewhere else because Butler has no wrestling program. If my child was an excellent swimmer, no doubt I would send him to X, they have the best swim team in the state. Only you know your situation, saying that my child has to stay at a crappy program which in no way can help to further his abilites because its his home school is nonsense, do whats best in your mind for you and yours.

It would suck to be a great quarterback and "HAVE TO" go to a school with a bunch of crappy recievers.

Again guys, don't let the lnfamous green and white damage control machine turn the tide. The question we are asking here is not where to send our kids to play sports, but why does Trinity have these unethically acquired athletes. Lets also be realistic here. Sending my kid or your kid to a school simply because he or she seems to have better than average athletic ability is simply a parent trying to live through his kids. Does anybody here know the number of Rondo's there actually are in Kentucky? I wouldn't want to gamble my kids education on the athletic history of a school. This portion of this thread was originally started to discuss the transfer of two North Oldham High School wrestlers to Trinity. Never in a million years would I trade the education one could receive at NOHS for one at Trinity. Sorry, but facts are facts. The academic scholarship dollars that are received at NOHS speaks for itself. Therefore, I have to assume that a parent that would trade the two is being misled (which is usually the case) or wanting to live through his child at the expense of that child. I love high school athletics, but be realistic. What per cent of kids actually play professional sports? Athletics builds character and rewards hard work. However, it is supposed to be a secondary focus. Bottom line, if you send your kid to Trinity to play football, wrestle, play the newest addition to the unethical merry-go-round basketball or whatever the next addition will be to their already preverse methods, then your priorities are warped. Don't let Trinity feed you the line about how great your kid could be to find out that he will be replaced by the next recruit. Trust me parents. it happens many times each year. I know many kids that fit that very description. If your child is really that special, he or she will excel where they are. They don't need to wear green and white to make their mark. It's just possible that the green and white will be playing under the black cloud of sanctions in the near future anyway.

Pistlepete, you are way off base. You stated that sending your kid to a school because they seem to have a better than average athletic skill is "living through your kids". Aren't we all living through our kids? When your kid does something good you're proud right? Proud of what? Your kid and what they accomplished. We all push our kids to be the best and be better than we were. At least some of us do. Does that mean we live through them? In some degree yes. And if someones kid is athleticaly gifted, why not put them in the best position possible? Crazy if you don't. And don't get me started about academics. You really can't have any idea until you witness it first hand. Private far beats out public. I see it happen every day. And about being replaced by the next recruit, that's real wotld. Work hard or be replaced. Start slacking at your job and let me know how that works out for you.

No Stalling, we are not all living through our kids. I will help them all that I can or is reasonably necessary without sacraficing my ethics. Even if that were the case, a parent could succeed at living through their kids without selling his/her soul. As far as the comparison of academics, I will stack NOHS, Manual, Male or a handful of others against Trinity's academics any day. Trinity would lose and embarrasingly so. Let me allow you in on a little secret stalling. I have witnessed it, first hand. I didn't let myself become endoctrinated. Like I said before, it's easy to make it look good when you have six different levels of academics and no state agency looking over your shoulder. One has to ask, if Trinity will practice their brand of unethical behavior in athletics, what would they do in academics? Don't drink the Kool aid guys.

I think Tim Tebow may be the only one who agrees with the part of your argument that deals with being replaced by a better athlete. I heard him say "Who cares if Peyton Manning is a better quarterback, I was at Denver first." Looking at all your posts in this thread you really seem to have a personal beef with Trinity only because your child lost his spot to someone who even you said was better. So you go looking for other unfounded arguments as a way to bash that school.

Zoloft. Try it. MC hit the nail squarely on the head.

This thread is beyond stupid. You can make many arguments as to where someone can get a quality education both public and private. You can do well at either and it is not going to be resolved because of what someone posts on this site. You can throw out whatever statistics you want. Most people have already made up there mind and chose accordingly. Sometimes its financial, sometimes education, and sometimes (gasp, gasp) it’s sports related. These 2 kids from what I understand are 8th graders and therefore not TRANSFERS. They have finished Middle School and are now enrolling in High School. It is the choice of them and their parents where they want to go. Pistolpete this has obviously had a negative effect on your personal situation but don't try to throw out this crap about how these families have somehow been duped and tricked into laying out $50,000 (or whatever the amount is, just going on numbers from some of the OH schools) for their kids education and how you know better. Why don't you call them up and explain all your reasons why you think they are wrong and you are right if you are really so concerned. You think the school you are sending your kids to is better than the one they chose? Great, then send your kid there. No one is trying to convince you otherwise. They obviously saw it different. I am sure they can figure things out for themselves. So go ahead and write your letters to the KHSAA and whine about recruiting violations and how unfair life is and how the KHSAA won't do anything because of how much money they stand to lose (which is nonsense) but I don't see any thing wrong with it.

To equal out the allegations of recruiting. Maybe KHSAA should allow a kid who participated in a private school to transfer to the required public school without sitting out one year. But not the other way around.

This way those parents that were "duped" could send their kid to the public school they live in without any repercussions.

Stalling.

I'm not sure how you came up with Private far beats out Public for academics.

I would bet my last dollar that kids that attend public school advance their education farther than those who attend Private.

By this I mean look at their ability before they start the year and then look at their ability after they start the year.

Private schools cannot offer the same courses that most public do. Most do not have 100% certified teachers at their school, and (I'm sorry) but they waste at least 1 academic hour a day on religion.

Most private schools already get the cream of the crop and advance them a little. Public take the bottom dwellers and succeed with many of them. A private school cannot accommodate kids with learning disabilities or those who need motivation. (There are a few but not many private schools with special education teachers.)

Actually, that's a good idea. And that's how it works in Ohio. If you transfer to a private school after your freshman year, you must redshirt. But, you can transfer back to public without the redshirt if you choose. Sometimes money runs or a kid can't make the grades and that happens. We checked into it because my son will be attending Catholic school his freshman year and we wanted to be sure of the rule if it doesn't work out.

Grappler, I just saw your previous post. Where I get my info from is test scores. Period. I have several freinds that are public school teachers, and a couple that are private Catholic school teachers. Several boys I know very well attend both. But Ill only speak of my own son. He is in 8th grade, straight "a" student (all high 90%) across the board. He took the entrance exam for Catholic school and only scored in the 50 to 60% range. Staright A's and accelerated classes in public school, now going to summer school to catch up a little. Catholic school also offers several classes you can't get in public. For example, all of his 8th grade freinds in Catholic already speak Spanish or Latin or French because they've been taking it for 3 yrs already. In his public you can't get it till high school. I would venture a guess that private schools send a much higher percentage of their students to college. My son is a State Champion wrestler, and a beast on the football field. We chose private based strictly on a year of talking with parents from both and stats on education. Period. Its all about choices. And you really need to be informed to make good choices. My son will have two Nationally ranked wrestlers in front of him and will probably ride jv till his jr yr. And that's ok. He's there for an education, because wrestling isn't going to pay the bills in the end. And after having two great training partners, he'll do great his jr and sr yr. Not to mention playing on one of the top football programs in the State.

You kind of made my point. Your son had to pass an exam to attend. They only take the easiest to teach. Those that are motivated and have drive. I would guess that your son would do no worse at a public school. (With that said just like private schools, all public schools are not the same).

However: If you son struggled with school the private school would not be able to help him. I have seen this over and over again. Private schools only want the "Haves not the Have nots".

Maybe KHSAA should allow a kid who participated in a private school to transfer to the required public school without sitting out one year. But not the other way around.

This way those parents that were "duped" could send their kid to the public school they live in without any repercussions.

That is already the rule in KY. You can transfer from Private to Public without any penalty. If you transfer from Public to Private (without a change of residence) you have to sit out one year. Of course this only applies to kids already in high school not kids in this case that are going from 8th to HS.

I did not know that thanks HS

If a kid cannot pass the entrance exam, then the carriculum is either far more challenging than the public school he came from(which proves my point), or the public school system failed that student. Again proving the same point. Why do you have the idea that the private school cannot or will not help an academically struggling student? Again, my son scored middle of the road on the entrance test. For 150 measly dollars they are giving him summer classes for 6 weeks, and already has a network of upperclassmen to help him as well. You're right. Public schools will take anyone. And then grade on a curve to ensure "good" results.

i didnt want to step in on this topic but there are a lot of half facts being said here.

1. There is a penalty for going Private to Public, you must prove with reason why the transfer was made and show financial hardship

2. They high college prep or college maturation rate is a shallow arguement, the truth is not because private schools prepare you more, its because of social economics, given the fact that 90 % of private school parents pay 8-10 k a year for their kids to go to HS, so schools like UL, UK, or even EKU are actually cheaper than the HS tuition that they pay, plus I dont know the numbers but I would bet the parents that are paying the bill have a college or hi trade school education that got them the job so they can afford the private school in the first place

3. Someone brought up Rajon Rondo and going to Oak Hill and how he never would found success if he would have stayed at Eastern.

A. Rajon was being recurited by Tubby, Rick and every coach in the area when he was a freshman and sophmore. He would have been at either UL or UK if he would have went to Oak hill or not

B. Rajon's main reason for leaving was because the head coach of Eastern left after his junior year and he prefered not to play for the new coach, he had a chance withe the help of Derek Anderson to join a traveling team (Oak Hill is nothing but an AAU team that gives HS diplomas, thats why they cant compete for their own state title) That teams I believe now has 6 current NBA players on the team, how many high school teams say that their six man Rajon was an NBA ALL Star

4. Public School curriculm is plenty rigorous, especially in Jefferson, Oldham, Fayette,Kenton and several systems across the state, take a look at the top seniors that get into UK and thier top programs,notice that these kids come from public schools across the state. Your almost saying that the best coaches are in the private schools too and I know that isnt farther from the truth

5. Private schools dont have to deal with certain problems like poverty. How many private school kids come home to no food, no power and a floor to sleep on. Education and social economics go hand and hand.With money comes parential envolvement, comes motivation, and student participation. Take in the fact of this, how many kids from the projects or very low income familes could afford wrestling or even sports at a high level. I have coached kids where I paid there dues and even bought food at tournaments because it gave them a chance.

Dont ever say Public schools are inferior to Private schools, work in one for 20 years and you will see the light. Usually we have to do the job with 1 hand tied behind our back and take the critisim of being the bad guy in the media. The system is perfect, some people will fall through the cracks but if the world was a perfect place then there would be no success because there would be no failures.5

Stalling-- In Jefferson County 90% is a B average and maybe you have a kid that just doesnt take test well, I have seen several students that are All A students in AP courses that cant crack a 20 on the ACT and D level students that gets 28s or 29s

if you wanted to level the playing field a little bit, make private schools have an attendence zone that doesnt overlap each other. Like say Trinity, StX, Desales, Holy Cross divide up Jefferson County. Or even a rule that states you must live in the county that the school is in. Watch the playing field start to even out a little. One of the things that is lost in all this is education. The right to go to a private school or the right to play sports in a private or public school is a luxury. I dont believe in finanical aid for private schools.

BigEd, those points are valid. And also useless to me. All the reasons that you stated are exactly why private schools ARE better than public. By your own admition you have to do things with little resources and one hand tied behind your back. You also mention low income families and social economics playing a part. Lower social economics also play a huge part in drugs and crime. That's a proven fact. So you're saying my son is better off with your school and its limited resources, and all the social ills that come with lower income students (you brought it up) than with a school full of teachers with masters degrees, unlimited resources both financially and connection wise? I will agree to disagree on that one. And I never said the coaches were any better at private schools. where did you think I inferred that? But since you mention it, his wrestling coaches next year have all coached numerous State Champs and have NCAA acomplishments. And his lifting coach right now is the strength and conditioning coach for the lowly Bengals. I'm not bragging. His Mom and I work very hard to send him there. We can barely afford it. But judging by all his freinds that go there, and the list of pro athletes and congressmen and other successful people that went there... Id say you really are just biased to public schools since you've been there twenty years and really aren't being honest with yourself about the benefits of a school like that. My was and is this... if you can find a way to send your kid somewhere like that, and you don't, then you are cheating them out of all the opportunities we parents claim to want to give our kids.

if you can find a way to send your kid somewhere like that, and you don't, then you are cheating them out of all the opportunities we parents claim to want to give our kids.

In my opinion I would keep them from the one minded idea of religion (or non-religion, if they choose), and the "better than thou" attitude that is so often seen in private schools. I prefer my kids to experience all of the culture, and social differences in a public school. Therefore when they become adults they can cope and associate with those type of people in the real world.

As I said before private and public schools vary in education. If the school you are sending your kids to have mostly teachers with masters degrees then it is in the minority. Most people with master degrees cannot afford to teach at a private school because the pay is so much less than public. Unless you are referring to a master degree in religion. Then I would say that in no way makes them better teachers.

Many in my family have tried the private way and when over half returned to the public mostly because of attitude in the private school. I was more than happy to say "I told you so".

Well, sorry to hear your family had a bad experience. As for our group, its not all roses. But we are very happy with everything so far, and of all the high school boys we have known in our school none have returned to public. So, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Stalling- we all strive to be in a better place, one of the luxuries of private school is that you can sector your self from types of people that you think are bad. I have been around both public and private schools personally.In the ratio, I graduated from the only high school in the state that has had a pulizer prize, graymeyer award, and almost a supreme court justice and has produced quite a few top level professionals. The school I coached at had several athletes that turned professional including 3 that are active now. I even coached a gentleman that just recently got his doctrate from Yale in journalism. Public and Private schools are both good, they just operate on 2 sets of rules but 1 basic principal remains, you get what you invest. As for coaching, I have had my shares of state championships and all americans in 2 different sports. If I had a school of 1000 boys , championships would be in a little more abundance for me too. Also the school that I was at, 85% of the teachers had masters degrees including me and a large percentage had certifications past masters degree.

I feel dumber for having read this thread.

For people of the catholic faith there is no topic more important than religion, and the public schools have alienated us.There is no title my children can achieve that is greater than being in the state of grace.I have used the examples of the life of Christ to challenge my children.Work like it is all up to you and pray like it is all up to God is our motto.I do not push it on anyone but I dare anyone to try and take it from us.Public schools can help individuals achieve great things, but if we have to pretend that God doesnt exist while we are there being oppressed,sensored,forced to deny our faith,then we must go to catholic schools if we can afford it.For the record I went to public schools as did my wife,we do not fit into most of the private school stereo types that were posted in this thread.Our ultimate goal is eternity with God and along the way we will be in the world competing in sports,and seeking jobs but hopefully obeying a set of standards that keeps us from being of the world. This is my opinion take or leave it but this is why I would choose a catholic school for my children .

workhard: That is exactly the correct reason for choosing a private school. You should follow your beliefs be it in religion or not.

Stalling- we all strive to be in a better place, one of the luxuries of private school is that you can sector your self from types of people that you think are bad. I have been around both public and private schools personally.In the ratio, I graduated from the only high school in the state that has had a pulizer prize, graymeyer award, and almost a supreme court justice and has produced quite a few top level professionals. The school I coached at had several athletes that turned professional including 3 that are active now. I even coached a gentleman that just recently got his doctrate from Yale in journalism. Public and Private schools are both good, they just operate on 2 sets of rules but 1 basic principal remains, you get what you invest. As for coaching, I have had my shares of state championships and all americans in 2 different sports. If I had a school of 1000 boys , championships would be in a little more abundance for me too. Also the school that I was at, 85% of the teachers had masters degrees including me and a large percentage had certifications past masters degree.

wow. Good for you. As has been established on here several times, there are good and bad in both. But, most on here seem to only see the bad in private, while extoling the greatness of public. I don't need your resume and your school history. If you like, Ill dig up info tomorrow on our school history and we can put them head to head. Know what? I still won't send my kid to a public school. We have several pro athletes as well that are active, politicians, scientist ect... but riddle me this batman, is your school you attended the exception or the rule for public school? And by the way... you got this. And you got that. WE GOT JESUS!

Wow!!! You are right Tim. This thread is making us dumber. Especially this last post.

The only issues I have with private school choices

#1 the myth that private schools are better academically

#2 the amount of athletic students that turn catholic their 9th grade year especially when their bother or sister goes to a public school

I never had a problem with a kid that goes through the catholic grade school system and comes out a great student or grade athlete or people that send their kid to a school because of religous beliefs. With the exception of extra curricular clubs like FCA, public schools are run on the consitutional belief of seperation of church and state (Im not saying thats right or wrong, I am Southern Baptist)

Private Schools are great. I feel bad for the teachers there, instead of spending so much money on facilities, more money needs to be spent on teacher salaries, benefits and retirement plans.

As for athletics, my fair belief if a team is going to be eligible for the state championship, they should only be able to draw athletes from the county the school resides in. If not maybe that team should be like Oak Hill BB and just play a national schedule.

wow. Good for you. As has been established on here several times, there are good and bad in both. But, most on here seem to only see the bad in private, while extoling the greatness of public. I don't need your resume and your school history. If you like, Ill dig up info tomorrow on our school history and we can put them head to head. Know what? I still won't send my kid to a public school. We have several pro athletes as well that are active, politicians, scientist ect... but riddle me this batman, is your school you attended the exception or the rule for public school? And by the way... you got this. And you got that. WE GOT JESUS!

Wow, dumbest comment I've seen on here in a while. So since I attended a public school and coached at a public school, I don't have Jesus?!?! I think that was a sophomoric chant the student section of Cincy St. X was cheering at a football game against Colerain this year. It was detested and ridiculed then and it is now as well. It's an absolute insult to anyone of faith who attended a public school. You think all kids who attend private Catholic schools have faith and religion and those who attend public schools don't simply because of where they receive their education?

I started my kid at Ballard Bruins Wrestling Club that two former college wrestlers headed up. These brothers are not on this forum to see this crap. Ballard High School dumped the wrestling program the same year we started wrestling in KY. Let's just imagine if they had a team right now. I saw potential in that room eight years ago. We went to River City and my son learned the sport . So much for public school wrestling on the East Side of jefferson county. I attended a Catholic high School in Northeast Ohio, I get it. Let's stop this nonsense.

Wow, dumbest comment I've seen on here in a while. So since I attended a public school and coached at a public school, I don't have Jesus?!?! I think that was a sophomoric chant the student section of Cincy St. X was cheering at a football game against Colerain this year. It was detested and ridiculed then and it is now as well. It's an absolute insult to anyone of faith who attended a public school. You think all kids who attend private Catholic schools have faith and religion and those who attend public schools don't simply because of where they receive their education?

Yep. It was a chant at a St. X game. Colerain lost, and jokingly started chanting "we got girls", since X is an all boy school. So X chanted back "we got Jesus". The kids on both sides all seemed to find it funny. Sorry you didn't find the humor in it, that's how it was meant. But I do seem to notice most of the people rallying against my comments on this thread seem to public school coaches or affiliated with public schools. Hmm. Funny how that works. By the way, Chargers suck. How's that for dumb?

Wow from "We have Jesus" to "Chargers suck".

From a man that may or may not have really existed to a school with kids attending it.

Either way you look at it. If you are a religious man (which you claim you are) you have violated the faith in both comments.

The first by declaring your superiority and the second by insulting youths.

As I have mentioned numerous times. If you attend for religious reasons that is great, you are following your faith/ideas. I have no problem with that. I also don't try to force my opinion on others (even my own children). I teach them about all that is out there and the different belief systems and they can make their own judgments from their own education. Which is varied to allow them to see other points of view. I don't like guns either, but I have no problem with other responsible people owning them. (My son even owns one, but it's not kept in my house).

As BigD said. Don't try to say private are better academically, you get out of a school whatever you put into it as a family. I have my opinion while you have yours on which school is better suited for your family. I have not problem with that as long as it is not because of athletic reasons and you don't live 100 miles away (or a different state) from the private school your children play for.

Grappler, I agree with the last portion of your post. Some of it. Academically speaking, stats are stats and more private school kids go to college percentage wise than public. Period. With 95 percent of a student body going on to college, you can't argue with that. And yes... I went from a light hearted Jesus joke to Chargers suck. How long am I supposed to take the high road when so many public school geniuses called me "dumb"? After I realized most of those guys worked in public school and coached there, I calmed down a bit. I understand. They have a union and pension and vacation and all that to worry about. The Brothers that teach at our school all have abigger calling. They do it for the love of teaching, mentoring and God. Unlike posters above, who say they feel sorry for them because they don't make much money. So, as I sit and watch another tragic public school massacre unfold on the news, Ill think about the love and brotherhood at our "snooty" private school.

I feel like a teacher in an elementary school class. Once again the topic has managed to gravitate toward nonsense. Please don't let the Trinity crowd divert our attention into a dead end conversation. I'm beginning to believe they are giving classes on damage control. That was sarcasm. Please don't divert the thread into some satirical tangent to draw attention away from the real problem. I hope we all believe in God and/or Jesus and to say that a particular school has Jesus is terrible. I'm sure Jesus would take exception. The problem that was originally stated here are the tactics used by a certain school over many years to acquire athletes. Before anybody starts crying foul let me say that some of you are in for a rude awakening in the next few months. In your school's attempt to dominate public school athletics, they have made many mistakes. You have some very unhappy parents that did not drink the Kool Aid and it's going to come back to haunt you. You may want to keep your "we have Jesus" speeches to yourselves for awhile. Enough said on that. The way I see it is this, if I start a private school and that school recruits athletes from Texas, Alabama, Florida, California, or anywhere in the world for that matter, and I manage to win at all the sports in Jefferson Co and the state, I would guess that Trinity would line up to cry foul. Particularly when they start losing recruits. But again, what has my new school accomplished? Where does it stop? Again refer to my "catching fish in a barrell" analogy. There is absolutely NO sport in catching fish in a barrell. If Trinity feels good about that type of winning, then I feel sad for them. If Trinity wants to win at all costs, fine. But take your teams, all of them, out of public school athletics and play athletics somewhere that gives you that type of similar competition. Win in that venue and then you can crow. In case some of you haven't noticed, Trinity is barely on any public school athletic schedules. People are getting a little irritated with the tactics. Is anyone besides myself seeing a trend here? In my humble opinion, if Trinity does not fix the problem itself or move to a different athletic venue soon, the next step will be to exclude them from district competition on the public school level. Then what? Now your kid is playing sports at a school that has nowhere to play. Better think twice before you make a choice like that.

I have tried to stay out of this but it is starting to get absurd. I honestly think the offensive part is implying that public school coaches do not integrate or put value on God in thier programs. Some do and some don't but it is thier choice. I have no problem putting an emphasis on how important religion is in my kids lives. I do not know how or why we went on this tangent. The truth is all schools recruit in some form or fashion. The frustration from coaches comes when some schools are more persecuted than others. Here is a stat that some people don't know: 100% of all Central Seniors were excepted into a University, College or Vocational School last year. Big Ed said it best when he said something like school is what you make of it. The biggest thing our future leaders need to learn is diversity. All situations are not filled with the best of the best. In life you will come across all different walks of life, if you have not expreienced that in life it will be hard to deal with. I do not teach and coach just for my pension, vacation, and the union. Ultimately my job is to let God's light shine through me to bring others to him. A lot of times my actions will speak louder than my words.

Ok so what does everyone think the percentage of kids who go to private school "athletes only"do so for sports only.not blasting private schools at all because kids seem to be a bit more focused when in private vs public in my opinion , and I'm not saying they are better be ause there are other drawbacks . If you have a great schedule and an opportunity to prove yourself it's great if you can remain true to yourself and not be be brainwashed .

To thine ownself be true.

I think the answer to that question can only be answered by the athletes themselves or the coaches. Would the same kids who play sports apply to the same school if they didn't or did the schools "recruit" them for their academic prowess?

I know there are all kinds of ifs but what percent of kids attend for sports and take it further what percent of say the top 20% of kids attending private schools do so for sports ,

It's a big number I'm sure , in Ky its a bit different in wrestling but football it obviously makes a huge difference .

Private schools get kid from all over the place for football it's insane they recruit themselves it's not so much an outright act but common knowledge although sometimes it is pretty blatant .

How nice would it be if every school had open enrollment there would be a wholes lot less catholic powerhouse teams and a few more SPGs around . A small school in OH that is always amongst the best in the nation .

Open enrollment in a school like Ryle or CC would be insane for wrestling not going to talk about Highlands in football .

There would probably be some smaller schools in ky jump up quick in wrestling I simply do not know the layout of the state as far as who is where .

For the record, every athlete I know that goes to private school sought them out. In my own situation we sought them out. And since we have been with them and my boys wrestling has improved, several public schools have let it be known in one form or another they would love to have him. So if Trinity is recruiting that hard (and I doubt it), remember public school coaches and boosters do the same. For example, win a State Duel title. Suddenly parents will start looking at you to see if its plausable to go to your school. It happens. There are excellent public schools as well as private. But, my main complaint is with Pistlepete lumping them all together. So, I'm done with this. Its obvious we all think our way is best. Like so many of you spouted on here "diversity".

Sorry but my Jesus loves everyone there are no special kids ,and despite the fact that i wil get completely destroyed on here for stating it i have seen more favoritism in Private schools than in Public,

Now take religion out of it because no ones god cares who has the most pins touchdowns or baskets or who has the fastest 40 or can score the most goals or who even has the highest ACTs,And everyone knows that private schools cut huge breaks for sports stars so thats a form of recruitment in my book and im sure it is in everyone elses too wether they admitt it or not if it looks like it smells like it and feels all squishy when you step in it well .............it probably is .LOL

This debate always gets ugggly, not an easy thing to discuss wihout the emotion taking control. I just wish the two big privates were on a more even keel when it comes to number of male students to choose from or field two athletic teams. Seems to be an advantage they have enoyed for years. I personally like em all, privates, publics, home schooled, its all good, go where ever you want just play by the rules.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Stalling, but I can personally name many kids that have been approached by Trinity over the last twenty years. I have had a two under my own roof. I can recall on one occasion when a Trinity Asst. Football Coach and an alumnus approached my kid on a youth football field and outright asked me to enroll him at Trinity. This incident was 10-20 years ago. When I replied that I couldn't afford the tuition, the alumnus said "Don't worry about that. We have ways around it." This is one that I can testify to on a first hand basis. I personally had a Trinity coach recently approach another son of mine (who was attending public middle school) and asked me (in front of at least two Trinity parents and on three separate occasions) to enroll him at Trinity. Again, when I mentioned that money was an issue, he said to "fill out the tuition assistance papers and I will see what I can do about the money." I'm sure in your world this would not qualify as recruiting. In my world it can be nothing but recruiting. I can recall many other such stories that happened on the football field and the wrestling mat. I find it very strange how many of my Trinity friends can tell me about how their kid was also recruited and in some cases paid little or no tuition, but yet you can say "every athlete I know that goes to private school sought them out."

Things are changing folks. I wouldn't want my kid to be stuck in the middle of sanctions with no place to compete.

Doubt any sanctions occur its the same in every state and has been the same for years actually centuries , being a history buff those that have ,always take from those that do not when they see something they want from

Those who have little to begin with and can't stop them , they use whatever means necessary , hiding it behind good intentions or Religion , as foolish as I am this is common knowledge ,

They should just admitt they recruit either by subtlety or outright invitation those who do not come by free will get recruited if they are good ,why not admitt it and take away most of the negativity that goes along with it ,

I honestly think they enjoy the arguments about recruiting it brings more attention to them and makes some people want to go to them even more , You can't help imagine a group of coaches ads and those in the cliques setting around laughing at everyone complaining because these clowns like thinking everyone is envious of them it strokes their "religious egos "at least the part of it that makes them think they are so much better than everyone , more cash best athletes hoorah we are the best ,very religious indeed .

I would enjoy taking a bunch of foster kids and training them for a few years and demolishing everyone that would be more morally correct and religious in my opinion give to the poor not take the best pay for it an claim victory for your religious school , funny I could do it ,

Pete, you're still not willing to admit public recruits too. You expect everyone to believe your stories of recruitment, but won't acknowledge the public side of it. Everyone knows my son is going private. Yet, I've had several texts and a few emails along with personal encounters with public school "alumni". Several ps coaches have blasted me on here for favoring private. If you are so insecure about private schools stealing your athletes, that's on you. Bring your own school up to those standards that draws kids away and you won't have anything to worry about. And GOO, for somebody that preaches freedom of choice you sure do have a strong opinion on this subject. You stated you won't allow guns in your house, and Jesus "may or may not have existed". So, to me you sound like a hippy atheist. Yet, I'm still willing to listen to your views. I don't mind debating all day, but when a group of people against my side of the debate continually call me stupid it just shows I'm right and you really don't have a legitimate arguement. Until your really ready to discuss pros and cons, without dismissing the good side of private, I will consider this disussion mute. To be honest, I've enjoyed some of your posts. but now I'm bored with listening to people just stomping their feet and crying with now valid point to make.

Lol hippy atheist , that's the funniest thing I may have ever read on any message board thanks for the smile Stalling, yeah I I agree some public schools recruit its just not generally as possible and its done differently you usually have to move and there isn't any tuition involved .

Pros and cons to private schools just be wary who you let control your kids destiny time goes quick know why your doing what you are , I sent mine for the education and to prove a point . Not to be in a clique a group and certainly not to be catholic ,and no I am not an atheist hippy more of an anarchist gymrat although had I been a 70s guy rather than an 80s rule type person I would probably have been a big hippy and come on stalling I know you have some hippy in you somewhere bro lol

Too funny Mpire. I admit it, I do own a pair of sandals. And you're 100% correct on the whole recruiting thing. Also, you can believe I don't think where my boy is going is the end all to beat all. But given our area and school choices its the best option for us. I know you've been down that road lol. I just don't like when someone singles out a supposed bad example and trys to imply all private schools are like that. I know there are good public schools and bad, just like coaches. But I do remember a poster I had in my garage once... it. Said " Its hard to soar with the Eagles when you run with the Turkeys". Lol talk to soon brother.

Lol are you implying that st Eds recruits ...... Gotcha , I know someone who wants to soar with those eagles but there's to many turkys runnin around to fly that high ..... Now you begin to understand just how my demented twisted mind and dark humor works , ah if the masses only knew me and why things are what they are as you do my friend ,how these boards would really light up , I'm sure many would gloat and some would weep. Oh well be safe buddy

Atheist hippy. I don't even wear sandals " (my toes are ugly and my arches are not flattering )

I understand and agree with your choice to a degree but as funny as it sounds I have seen people sell their soul and turn away from obvious wrongs at places claiming to be morally superior to the majority all to simply not make waves , it's not the anarchist in me that this irritates it's the Christ in me .

Aww c'mon stalling. My hair ain't that long dude. And I've been to the creation museum in Boone Co. I'm more of a Hair Band rocker of the 80's thou.

I do believe in freedom of choice, but I just want peoples choices to be infromed. I guess my strong feelings came the way yours did. I felt that people were bashing public education. As I stated before, you get out of a high school what you put into it. If you work hard you can recieve a great education from either institute. If you don't work hard then you get kicked out of private and fail in public.

Rock On dude.

Stalling, If you go back and read what I wrote, you will see that in a number of places I separated Trinity from the rest of the private institutions in town. I know nothing about the rest of the private schools in Louisville and made that well known. However, I do know something about Trinity. Now, to address your 73rd post. Yes, I'm sure that public schools do recruit. In fact, that too has happened to my kid. However, recruiting among public schools is one thing. When paid tuition becomes involved, that becomes another matter. Please, don't waste your time telling me it doesn't happen. I know (and I stress the word know) better. You may want to watch the papers over the next few months. The difference in the two will become evident. Anyway, after reading your previous posts it appears that you do not even have a dog in this fight. My beef is with the green and white only.

Stalling, If you go back and read what I wrote, you will see that in a number of places I separated Trinity from the rest of the private institutions in town. I know nothing about the rest of the private schools in Louisville and made that well known. However, I do know something about Trinity. Now, to address your 73rd post. Yes, I'm sure that public schools do recruit. In fact, that too has happened to my kid. However, recruiting among public schools is one thing. When paid tuition becomes involved, that becomes another matter. Please, don't waste your time telling me it doesn't happen. I know (and I stress the word know) better. You may want to watch the papers over the next few months. The difference in the two will become evident. Anyway, after reading your previous posts it appears that you do not even have a dog in this fight. My beef is with the green and white only.

Well, I'm sorry Pete. I figure since Goo and I made peace, then Ill attempt to make peace with you. We all know recruiting happens on both sides. I never once said it didn't. But you should keep recruiting rules in mind. Your own story said an alumni approached YOU on the football field. If he was not officially connected to the school, and he approached you and not your son, then I'm pretty sure that's legal. A lot of alums do that. But this is the real world. Honestly, if you don't like recruiting with "offers", then you should really hate the NCAA. Are you offended if a private college trys to steal an athlete from say UK? Offering to pay tuition happens, but so does promises of "starting" or being the big man on campus ect... its just a fact of life in sports. How you deal with it is on you. If you're not interested, shrug it off. Remember, some athletes are hoping for better offers to play on a bigger stage. Good luck to you, Pete. With my new found hippy peace I really hope you work out some of the bitterness that is obviously built up.

Grappler, I agree with the last portion of your post. Some of it. Academically speaking, stats are stats and more private school kids go to college percentage wise than public. Period. With 95 percent of a student body going on to college, you can't argue with that. And yes... I went from a light hearted Jesus joke to Chargers suck. How long am I supposed to take the high road when so many public school geniuses called me "dumb"? After I realized most of those guys worked in public school and coached there, I calmed down a bit. I understand. They have a union and pension and vacation and all that to worry about. The Brothers that teach at our school all have abigger calling. They do it for the love of teaching, mentoring and God. Unlike posters above, who say they feel sorry for them because they don't make much money. So, as I sit and watch another tragic public school massacre unfold on the news, Ill think about the love and brotherhood at our "snooty" private school.

Please note, I said one of the dumbest comments I've seen on here in a while, not a comment made by one of the dumbest people. As for "public school genuises", well you obviously don't know me so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Although I attended and graduated from a public high school, I did graduate from a very reputable, private college institution. By the way, I don't teach or work at a public school so I don't worry about a pension, vacation, etc and the only union I deal with is the one that so many of the employees I manage belong to. I'm a paraprofessional who also coaches simply for the love of the sport, mentoring and God as I try to set a positive example for many of the kids I coach so it's not something that is solely reserved for the "Brothers". My point is simple, God uses people from all walks of life regardless of race, ethnicity, religious affiliation, socio-economic background, etc. You don't have to be affiliated with a private school to do that and I don't think he sees it as a requirement. As for the education part, I agree with most that it's what each individual makes of it. There are plenty of public school kids who excel and plenty of private school kids who eventually drop out due to poor performance or behavior. Labeling a person solely based on whether they attended a private or public school is simply wrong any way you try to spin it. Now for the true reason behind this great debate, recruiting, Jacket Coach is absolutely 100% correct, ALL schools do it in some form or another. You win some and you lose some but regardless, you make the most of what you have and teach / coach the kids you have to the best of your ability to prepare them for life on and off the mat, court or whatever your field of play may be. Sure it sucks when as a coach, you're looking forward to coaching an athlete and they switch schools but if the parents decide to do such because they believe it's in the best interest of their child, how can I argue or complain about that?

Stalling, I understand your frustration and you obviously have a biased opinion based on your comments and obvious affiliation in some way with a private institution whether it be student, alumnus, coach or whatever, but please remember not everyone is "out to get" or has a hatred for private schools. Having said that, I would hope that you would not reciprocate some of that negative behavior such as (even if meant as a joke) saying Chargers suck. My kids might not be the most talented or athletic, but they always give me a strong effort and as a whole, display the type of character and academics that make me proud to have been able to call myself their coach.

I have not made a comment on this or other threads for awhile now but this is getting absurd. I believe that my grandmother was right, that there are three topics that should not be discussed in public (and this is a public forum) they are politics, religion and s--. These are private topics and everyone has an opinion and you can argue all you want and no one change their minds.

I have not made a comment on this or other threads for awhile now but this is getting absurd. I believe that my grandmother was right, that there are three topics that should not be discussed in public (and this is a public forum) they are politics, religion and s--. These are private topics and everyone has an opinion and you can argue all you want and no one change their minds.

I have to disagree, these are topics that need to be discussed, yes there is absurdity in all of them. Just look at our government today and the corruption of special interest and the greed of corporation, do we really need to sit back and be quiet, or should we speak up and ask for a real change. As far as religion, I do not force my views on anyone, but I do publicly praise GOD and express my beliefs, we all probably need more of that in our lives. Dont know what the 3rd thing is you were implying with the s--, but we will never all agree, but we can be civil and choose to disagree (I cant even get the ppl under my roof to agree what the thermostat should be set at, lol) if you start at the begining of this thread and read all the way thru, you will see that there are just as many points that the two sides agree on, more so than disagree.

Please note, I said one of the dumbest comments I've seen on here in a while, not a comment made by one of the dumbest people. As for "public school genuises", well you obviously don't know me so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Although I attended and graduated from a public high school, I did graduate from a very reputable, private college institution. By the way, I don't teach or work at a public school so I don't worry about a pension, vacation, etc and the only union I deal with is the one that so many of the employees I manage belong to. I'm a paraprofessional who also coaches simply for the love of the sport, mentoring and God as I try to set a positive example for many of the kids I coach so it's not something that is solely reserved for the "Brothers". My point is simple, God uses people from all walks of life regardless of race, ethnicity, religious affiliation, socio-economic background, etc. You don't have to be affiliated with a private school to do that and I don't think he sees it as a requirement. As for the education part, I agree with most that it's what each individual makes of it. There are plenty of public school kids who excel and plenty of private school kids who eventually drop out due to poor performance or behavior. Labeling a person solely based on whether they attended a private or public school is simply wrong any way you try to spin it. Now for the true reason behind this great debate, recruiting, Jacket Coach is absolutely 100% correct, ALL schools do it in some form or another. You win some and you lose some but regardless, you make the most of what you have and teach / coach the kids you have to the best of your ability to prepare them for life on and off the mat, court or whatever your field of play may be. Sure it sucks when as a coach, you're looking forward to coaching an athlete and they switch schools but if the parents decide to do such because they believe it's in the best interest of their child, how can I argue or complain about that?

Stalling, I understand your frustration and you obviously have a biased opinion based on your comments and obvious affiliation in some way with a private institution whether it be student, alumnus, coach or whatever, but please remember not everyone is "out to get" or has a hatred for private schools. Having said that, I would hope that you would not reciprocate some of that negative behavior such as (even if meant as a joke) saying Chargers suck. My kids might not be the most talented or athletic, but they always give me a strong effort and as a whole, display the type of character and academics that make me proud to have been able to call myself their coach.

One of the best posts I have ever read. This thread can be closed now.

Charger Coach, you have valid points. All of which were already posted in this thread in one form or another. And you and I could have had an honest discussion of pros and cons. But then you had to go and call me dumb. Don't try to hide behind the old " I didn't call YOU dumb, just your idea" remark. That's like a guy telling his wife "honey I didn't say YOU were fat, just your a**." Come on. You and a couple others threw the "dumb" and "stupid" remark out there way before I ever snapped back with ANY name calling about your team. The truth is I have respect for any kid that laces em up and steps out there to get it done. But to say or infer or otherwise imply someone is dumb because you don't agree with them... well, let's just say its like school in the summertime. No class. And I don't think everyone has it out for private schools. Just all you public school coaches/fans on here that blasted them. I actually just left baseball practice where I coach a bunch of public school kids. My sons best friends all go to his old public school. He's over there fishing with them right now. But to read most of the posts against private schools, you'd think I would never allow my son to hang out with "lowly" ps kids. My point all along was to counter point the pros and cons of the two systems. If Trinity is the devil to Pete, he's only one guy. I'm sure for every storey of a kid that private/public didn't work out for there are stories of two more that it did. We need both. Both recruit in some fashion. Both have pros and cons. I thought public was all about diversity? Well, if all schools are public with only one way then you no longer have diversity and choices. Sorry I'm rambling, still hyped up from baseball.

I would disagree with that statement. But say that for SOME people of the catholic faith there is no topic more important than religion. So say that for everyone is way off. I deal with the public on a daily basis and am surprised at how people react on a daily basis to certain situations, nothing to do with sports or schools but rather adult life in general. Many are the first to complain and cry about what is going on until the get something that they feel is fair to them. Usually it means that they get something for free out of my company. I go into peoples houses all the time and see religious artifacts and slogans up and yet the are quick to curse and complain when something comes up that they personally have to take care of that I will not do. Again this isn't for everyone but the same goes for school. Not everyone sends their kids to catholic school because of that. My kids are the first generation on my wifes side to not go to catholic school for 5 generations. But her and her brothers don't care for the attitudes that the catholic school institution has right now in combination with the rising tuition costs. And like many people have said, neither side is going to change their mind about how they feel but it's just a shame that they get away with it like they do.

For people of the catholic faith there is no topic more important than religion, and the public schools have alienated us.There is no title my children can achieve that is greater than being in the state of grace.I have used the examples of the life of Christ to challenge my children.Work like it is all up to you and pray like it is all up to God is our motto.I do not push it on anyone but I dare anyone to try and take it from us.Public schools can help individuals achieve great things, but if we have to pretend that God doesnt exist while we are there being oppressed,sensored,forced to deny our faith,then we must go to catholic schools if we can afford it.For the record I went to public schools as did my wife,we do not fit into most of the private school stereo types that were posted in this thread.Our ultimate goal is eternity with God and along the way we will be in the world competing in sports,and seeking jobs but hopefully obeying a set of standards that keeps us from being of the world. This is my opinion take or leave it but this is why I would choose a catholic school for my children .

A catholic who says that getting their way is more important than there faith is giving poor example of what being catholic is.Owning items symbolizing religion does not make one religious,but knowing and trying to obey every law of the church.Let Christ be our example and bear our crosses patientlybeing a good example to all who are watching,and when we start feeling sorry for ourselves and set bad examples ,we make resolution to do better next time.Using one catholics bad actions to stereotype all catholics obviously lacks sounds judgement. A catholic who says that their faith is not the most important issue in their life does not know their faith.

Just for the record, I care and respect any and all religions that believe in Jesus Christ and/or God. With that said I must point out, again, that this thread has nothing to do with spiritual beliefs. Stalling, KHSAA rules state that any coach, school official or person associated with a school that was sent with the intent to recruit is in violation. However, my post stated that an alumnus and an asst. football coach approached me. This pair approached my son first. Yes, we may not all agree, but deep down inside I think we all know that recruiting the best talent from more than one state and using that talent to compete on a public school level is ludicrous. Then to be proud of such an accomplishment is laughable. My suggestions still stand....enforce a one year suspension from athletics for any student that wants to transfer to a private institution or take the private school athletics to a higher level. Problem and debate solved.