http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_21480647/prep-wrestling-2-time-champ-mark-hall-ii

Thought some might find this interesting.

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He won a state title in the 7th grade,LOL LOL LOL.wasn't he in the 7th grade when he wrestled in KY ? What some people won't do to break records.Thats right son if you can't win it right out lets find a way to beat the system.So if by chance a mircle happens and he gets beat this year maybe they can hold him back again so they can get them 6 state titles.He is a great great wrestler but the way his dad tries to beat the system makes me sick.WAY TO GO BRADBERRY FOR PUTING A NITCH IN THEIR KY PLANS. LOL LOL LOL

Well mark had a nitch in his plan from the start ,HELLO he wrestled here to wrestle HS comp and he wrestled up when he was doing it ,

Not sure what you mean by beating the system but he sure beats a lot of good wrestlers .

A Dad and his son having fun chasing dreams and doing a better job at it than most , the kid is a legend and only an idiot would bring up some sr beating a jr high kid when he was wrestling up to begin with ,

You could only hope your plans could go half as well .

Not sure anyone cares where he is at now but good luck to him he has worked hard to get where he is and his dad has put more into it than any of his detractors . And the sad thing is he would help all those who blast on him in a heartbeat .

I think it's funny he got so many all worked up ,

Are you hating on the num 1 ranked fresh in the country lol lol a whole LOL

C,mon M. No way you feel that way. Your just trying to stir the pot. You can see he did bend the rules slightly to his advantage. I for one really enjoyed Mark Hall and his dad when he was here in KY and wished he would have stayed. I would still like to see him wrestle but geesh, moving him to another state while living in a trailer next to the school until wrestling season was over. Then retaining him in the 7th grade so he could get 6 titles? C'mon even you have to admit that is not quit right.

Thanks goo,I was hoping I wasn't, the only one who thought that way but if there was one person who would believe it is ok to do things the way his dad did it would be mpire.I also will say Bradberry had a ton of pressure on him wrestling a 7th grader as talented as hall,he was in a no win position.just like wrestling a girl if you win all they say is you beat a girl and if you lose well just get ready to take a lot of ribbing from your friends.no not comparing mark to a girl but 7th grader to a senior.you haven't heard me say a thing about any of the moves into woodford and I won't.they say they moved back here to take care of his parents and I don't anyone would see anything wrong with that.

I do feel that way lol and I have issues that would make me take the opposite stance but I do not ,taking advantage of rules is what dedicated people do and living in a trailer in a different state shows a lot of dedication , tell

The truth mark should have never have wrestled Bradbury because he should have been at a lower weight but did ao to not make waves just to wrestle HS , as for me lol I would have loved to see my kids wrestle in ky as jr high kids talked about it a lot really as do a lot of people in oh . Except we are from ky begin with,sounds lie people are jealous of mark straight up and yes it's a big stress for a se wrestling a seventh grader but c'mon it shouldn't be close a sr wrestling a seventh grader who is bumping up to begin with its a no brainer who should win and a no brainer that it's not much to brag about , all the using the rules has mark ranked number 1 in the country but I think some people forgot its not just using loopholes you have to be able to wrestle or did you forget .

I have been on both sides of this argument bottom line the kid is good probably one of the best ever .

And taking shots at me is funny as I said my kids are noMt seventh graders and are going to hand people their lunch , and they did and will , no I wouldn't put my kid in a trailer and travel the country to wrestle but if I was a single dad I wouldn't hesitate we would have a blast lol

As for the hold back issue look at the top kids and then come back and smart off about me or anyone else , meanwhile I will go dust off my kids state title and that pretty national champ plaque he won this year and that sweet OW trophy ,guess you don't need one from a state when you get one from the nation , Feel me

Can you spell out just exactly what they did wrong? Was there rules broken? If so what were they?

Was it actually wrong or did it just make you mad?

Mpire you told me not to say anything to you in one of your post well that goes both ways.I make you sick and you make me sick we agree on one thing so let it go.

There are loopholes and rules you use one you break the other , he broke no rules and he brought notoriety to the state and he didn't even take a title away from a native kid so everyone won out in the end , I'm sure he wanted the title but at the same time he got to wrestle High School kids for the comp ,win win ,

What some people won't do to break records ?

It's a sport that's what your supposed to do ,If you can , there are worse things in life to shoot for than breaking records !

When every top coach in the country and state tells top kids they should hold back good kids if the circumstances are good for it why wouldn't you .

OK i give up on this one. We will never see anywhere close to eye to eye on this one. You should never and I repeat never hold a kid back for athletics no matter what. If it is academic OK but not athletics. This is one issue I will never budge on. And will just have to agree to disagree on. Kids are in school for an education not sports. We enjoy sports and it is a privalige not a right to participate in them while in high school/middle school.

No no rules were truely broken, but the spirit of the rules were broken. NO Buckeye it didn't make me mad I had/have no dog in the fight just some personal ethics.

Yes you are correct Mpire: With no disrespect intended he may be the greatest 7th grader I have ever seen wrestle and probably the best I ever will see wrestle. I fully expect to see an Olympic Gold medal around his neck one day. And I'll be telling my grandkids "I saw that kid wrestle in the state finals in Ky as a 7th grader, the last time he didn't win a championship""A 6 time high school state champion and 4 time NCAA D1 champion".

I don't recall saying anything exactly like that who knows i have been on a lot of threads LMAO one things for certain if i did say it you deserved it because you talked smack about me or mine just like you did Mark and his dad ,I guess since you are so much better at this sport and have such high morals we should all bow down and thank the wrestling gods"Austin and the rest " that we have you to be the defender of all that is right and good in the wrestling world .

LMAO and you dont make me sick you make me glad im better at training my kids than dumbasses who know so little about this or any sport .

Well goo a great HS coach maybe the best there is "Jeff Jordan" steered me into holding my son back thinking as many do that it will only help his education as in a free or less expensive college degree but you can take whatever stance you want on the subject its a free world but as im looking over college letters for my SR and looking at a letter my held back Freshman has already gotten from Arizona State ,im glad we made the choice if a kid is ok with it and its all positives there is no harm in it ,i think the only kid who will make fun of Austin for being held back is his brother anyone else he would laugh at or dump on their head and he dumps him on his head already sooo no harm ,looking at all the top kids in the nation many are held back i doubt their college coaches care ,as for being fair My sons already wrestled up in Hs divisions as sixth graders over the summers so all the hater smack about running is funny .

To bad whs98 no one is going to put a nitch in Our Mpire because they cant ,but i bet they do yours LOL LOL LOL .

People are hillarious eventually some would claim training more is unfair ,The biggest injustice in youth sports is never even discussed because it is so rampant and thats the amount of Dad /relative coaches in the sport ,not that all are bad but i have seen so many that are sooooo dirty its sickening rooms focusing on a coaches kid so much its so obvious and everyone chooses to ignore all the bs to not make waves ,it sickens me

Do you truely believe that he would not have gotten a letter if not held back. I don't think you believe that. And you are correct in that it may help with a scholarship or two but that is not helping his education as the famous "jeff Jordan" said. Coaches can spin it any way they want but It only possibly helps in the burdon of obtaining the $$$$ for college not inhancing his education.

OK i give up on this one. We will never see anywhere close to eye to eye on this one. You should never and I repeat never hold a kid back for athletics no matter what. If it is academic OK but not athletics. This is one issue I will never budge on. And will just have to agree to disagree on. Kids are in school for an education not sports. We enjoy sports and it is a privalige not a right to participate in them while in high school/middle school.

No no rules were truely broken, but the spirit of the rules were broken. NO Buckeye it didn't make me mad I had/have no dog in the fight just some personal ethics.

Yes you are correct Mpire: With no disrespect intended he may be the greatest 7th grader I have ever seen wrestle and probably the best I ever will see wrestle. I fully expect to see an Olympic Gold medal around his neck one day. And I'll be telling my grandkids "I saw that kid wrestle in the state finals in Ky as a 7th grader, the last time he didn't win a championship""A 6 time high school state champion and 4 time NCAA D1 champion".

Wow! Really? The spirit of the rules?

Where does one find that section in the rule book??

Your loosing me GOO if a kid gets a scholarship or gets more offers or a better scholarship then that helps his education and being more mature when the time comes will help as well there are many benifits ,heck I even like the fact it makes the haters mad , you see when they crybaby about it it only makes them look like envious sore losers , and your right Goo he may have because if w were in ky I would have had him ready as a 7th and 8 th grader to make runs at state ,

We discussed it even his 8th grade yr , he wanted the OW at jr high state in OH and was worried about getting comp and hitting big tournaments , he is a bit more comfortable with it now but wanted In Swowca he grew up on the west side of Cincy and Swowca is the big tourny there , he wants to do the other big tourny in oh as we'll but I think he enjoyed the summer tournys he did with team ky and had fun at the BG games , there was actually some very good classes there .

The spirit of the rules ?you lost me as well is that something that someone thinks should be a rule and is not ?or just something someone does that most do not do or think of or attempt that gives them an advantage Or should I say something they do that no one else will do because it's a hassle " like living in a camper in another state so your 7th grader can wrestle HS ?yes not many would do that and most could not .

The funniest thing is holding a kid back only gives him another yr of education sooooo it does help his education it's a no brainer . I look at most of the top football players wrestlers and the rest and many are held back I do not see the harm only the benifits ,heck the mental aspect alone makes their opponents upset LOL now you know how a true winner thinks , did I tell you the story about Austin's first HS match , the kid forfeited , I know for certain they had never seen him wrestle or even seen him period just heresay and board gossip , a forfeit thats the mental edge that's just one aspect of the sport , you are either a winner an all out Winner or your a part timer and winners do what it takes to win , now the team forfeits but bumps a 220 up to wrestle our hvy and wins , as I said they had no real clue only gossip , but they didn't want to risk wrestling a Norse God lmao ,anyway he would have pinned the kid but it was just the point.

I was a 16 yr old sr I had friends who were still in school two yrs after I graduated and were older than me that got full rides to D1 schools and my dad would brag on them and say how good they were and I would say I ran over through and around them but I was a sr they were soph , get the picture . At 18 I was 222 lbs of monster with all 4 state powerlifting records and I was not the most talented but I would have ran over everyone playing ball then and I would have decapitated most of the quarterbacks in the state ,so tell me it won't help your Definatly wrong on this one GOO my boy will get the scholarships I did not and i will laugh at whoever cries about Austin hammering everyone when he is a sr because he hammered everyone from day 1 he was a state champ his first yr wrestling probably didn't even need held back but it will and has helped him , I will enjoy watching him decapitate some QBs and running all over some poor suckers his Sr yr .

Getting astray yes I think it will help his wrestling as well when he has 4 do you think anyone will say he was held back ? Of course , when he does have four and a few more national titles and is wrestling D1 everyone will say damn that crazy ass dad of his went all out for his boys and his boy backed up every single bs cocky smack he ever said about his boys , ask all those haters in oh they have full bellys of crow I replaced all the shit they were full of with crow served on state brackets ,

Some before anyone was held back and some after ,

I am sure Hall is not perfect and some have had bad run ins with him but this I about the concept of what they did not any interaction with them and what they did was admirable not something to be blasted on ,

Shame on anyone for blasting on someone for enduring hardship for their kid and for blasting on a kid who is an underdog from the start , the whole concept sickens me ,and yeah I remember those same types of haters blasting me last yr saying my boys would find out like Mark did LOL yeaaah seems someone put a niche in their plans as well , guess there is a difference between 7th graders and true HS wrestlers ,

The spirit of the rule means. Why was the rule made?

1. The transfer rule: Was made so that kids would not jump from school to school so that they could play a specific sport for a specific team or person, because that hinders their education because of moving from school to school.

2. The eligibility rule: "you may only compete 4 years in high school" Was made so that kids would not be retained just for sports, especially if they are not having trouble with academics. Retaining a kid and having him/her repeat the same grade over does llittle good.

Both of these "Spirit of the rules" were broken by Mr Hall Sr.

You have to remembe M. Academics and school will always come first with me. Sports are fun to watch and agrue about but it should never take president over academics.

Once again I thouroughly enjoyed watching Hall Jr. wrestle, and it would have been nice if he would have won here as a 7th grader then stayed for his 6 state titles. But when he came in during wrestling season then moved out when it was over, that is where I balked at the decission not the kid or his wrestling.

Just because I'm a nerd and I can't sleep.

Here is KHSAA rules and reasonings. for Eligibility of grade level.

BYLAW 4. ENROLLMENT

Sec. 1) Maximum Number of Semesters

a) A student promoted from grade eight (8) to grade nine (9) shall have four (4) consecutive calendar years of eligibility from the date of fi rst promotion by the school provided the student is eligible according to this and all other Association bylaws.

The eligibility shall conclude with the completion of the spring sports season following the fourth year. No additional eligibility may be granted in a case where the grant would allow a student to compete in all or part of the fifth competitive season in a single sport following the initial promotion by the school from grade eight (8).

Sec 2) Ineligibility for Repeating Students

A student having been enrolled in the fourth (4th) grade or in any grade through twelfth (12th) shall not be eligible for interscholastic athletics at the high school level (grades 9 through 12) for more than a total of one (1) year in each grade and applicable eligibility shall begin in the fi rst year enrolled in that grade. A student repeating a grade for any reason is ineligible to participate in interscholastic athletics at the high school level (grades 9 through 12) during the second year in that grade. The penalty for violation of this rule shall be the loss of one of the four years of eligibility after being promoted from grade nine (9). Policies regarding the participation of repeating students at the levels of play below high school interscholastic athletics shall be determined by the school council pursuant to KRS 160.345 (2) (i)’

Case BL-4-1- Why is there a requirement that limits the number of semesters and stipulates a maximum

participation requirement?

Without a clearly defined limit, avenues remain open for redshirting, deception, legal maneuvering, and other athleticsdriven motivations for a student to remain in school rather than proceeding on into college or into the work force thereby denying the participation of a student who is otherwise “next in line” to play.

A maximum participation requirement is in place because it:

1) promotes timely progress toward graduation by discouraging students from delaying or interrupting their high school education;

2) disallows students to enroll for one single semester each school year to increase athletic ability and skill;

3) diminishes risks stemming from unequal competition;

4) places emphasis on the year-long academic mission of the school;

5) promotes harmony and fair competition among member schools by maintaining equality of eligibility affording each student the same number of semesters of athletic eligibility;

6) increases the number of students who will have an opportunity to participate in interscholastic athletics;

7) is conducive to the prevention of red-shirting;

8) helps avoid exploitation by coaches or boosters who otherwise might seek to obtain transfers or to delay a student’s normal progress through school; and

9) prevents displacement of younger student-athletes by older students wishing to protract unfairly their high school careers.

The Tranfer rule.

BYLAW 6. TRANSFER RULE- DOMESTIC STUDENTS

Sec. 1) Domestic Student Transfer

Any student who has been enrolled in grades nine (9) through twelve (12) and has participated in any varsity contest in any sport at any school while maintaining permanent residence in the United States or a United States territory following enrollment in grade nine (9) and who then transfers schools shall be ineligible for interscholastic athletics at any level in any sport for one year from the date of enrollment in the new school.

The Ruling Officer and Commissioner have discretion (but are not required) to waive the period of ineligibility set forth above if one or more of the following exceptions in Section 2 has been met. Determinations of whether a student shall be granted a waiver pursuant to this rule shall be based on the circumstances existing as of the date of enrollment at the new school.

Case BL-6-2- Why is there a transfer rule?

Nearly every state has a transfer rule to protect the integrity of the interscholastic program. These rules are necessary for several reasons including, but not limited to, the following principles:

1) these rules prevent and deter transfers due to recruiting or athletic reasons;

2) these rules protect the opportunities of bona fi de resident students;

3) these rules provide a fundamentally fair and equitable framework for athletic competition in an academic setting;

4) these rules provide uniform standards for all schools to follow;

5) these rules support the educational philosophy that athleticsis a privilege which should not assume a dominant position in a school’s program;

6) these rules keep the focus of educators and students on the fact that students attend schools to receive an education first, and participate in athletics second;

7) these rules maintain the fundamental principle that a high school student should live at home with parents or custodian in the event of parental death or incapacitation, and attend school in the school district in which they reside;

8) these rules reinforce the view that a family is a strong and viable unit and as such is the best place for students to live while attending high school;

9) these rules serve as a deterrent to students running away from, or avoiding discipline that has been imposed; and

10) these rules prevent manipulation of a residence change or other exception solely or primarily for the purpose of interscholastic athletics participation and serve to ensure the integrity of the rules adherence process.

I posted these just so you understand my thought process. I have had arguements with family members on this same issue, and disagreed with them when one held back their kid for sports. And I still stand by my belief on this.

Now let me get off my high horse or soapbox and let me have some more fun on here. This to me is not fun and having fun is the only reason I love this site.

I like #3 the best, lets keep the competition fair for all playing by the same rules. Integrity is often lost in the world of sport.

Hall is a fresh ,how did he break a rule applying to HS kids when in KY jr high kids are allowed to compete in HS?

That was an awful lot of typing when there are a few more rules that go along with all those you wrote .like the ones that allow the transfers ,

It's a free country so if someone wants to move for any reason whatsoever they should be allowed , and the only questions should arise when it's done duiring the year or season and even then there are legitimate reasons for moving .

Hall broke no rules whatsoever in Ky,all this is personal preference on the subject , it seems it was a matter of state pride rather than any actual problem to me it's not a pick on ky thing it was a good kid going to a state that allowed jr high kids to wrestle HS ,of course he went to minn after ky so who knows , either way get rid of the jr high rule if everyone doesn't like it , I think it's neat and adds twists and allows for kida to get better and that's what's really important not a bunch of bogus rules made to protect some HS kids who's felling a might get hurt or more likely their coaches and parents .

Let everyone compete on the level they choose and can ,

The real villain on all this transfer athlete talk is obvious . Private Schools . Taking kids from all over scooping up kida from districts outside their own and generally hiding behind religion and academics , I'm all for it but it's obviously not fair to the public teams ,

Here let me have the best kida from half a state and compete against teams that only allow kida from their area ,

What's your take on the "Spirit of That "or is that spirit ok because it's usually got a Holy Or a ST before it .nation wide it is totally unfair without question .

Let public schools take kids from wherever then it's all even .

Nice change of topic but the only middleschoolers who are allowed to compete in highschool are from middleschools that feed Public highschools.The middleschoolers from rivercity wrestling and shamrock wrestling although very capable were not allowed to compete . Quit being a hater on private schools and religious adjectives just as some could quit being haters of hold backs and rule benders.

If you allowed everyone to compete wherever they wanted then there would only be maybe 3 or 4 schools that would be competitive in the long run. That just makes things even worse for those kids that are good because there is less competition for them. You would have other teams starting the development of a kid then see him leave to one of the 4 schools that will win everything.

I absolutely have no problem with kids moving or attending a school for reasons outside of sports. Sports should not run a childs life, academics should run a childs life. The sports are there to help ease the tension of hard work in class and to relax the brain from all the learning that should be going on in the classroom. I have no religion however I know it is extremely important in 90% of peoples lives, so attending a school for religion (if it is truely the case) is not a problem either.

Breaking school records or national records in sports are nice but in the long run are really no big deal. Now earning a full academic scholarship to Harvard and finishing as the valivictorian of that Harvard class, now that is a huge deal. A thousand times more important and a bigger accomplishment than winning 6 state titles or finishing 1st in the nation or winning 4 NCAA titles while going undefeated.

And yes he did break a KY rule, even though the state looked the other way. It states in reason 1 that it was to prevent kids from moving for athletic reasons.

He also broke the Ky rule of participating twice for one grade level. I'm not sure what the rules are in his new state but that is what they are here. Rules are not iron clad, and KDE and KHSAA easily look the othe way when faced with possible lawsuits (even the ones they would probably win) because of the cost.

You can argue that they have to prove that the reason he moved was for academics, but that is not the point the point is he did even though it couldn't be proven.

Oh and by the way I didn't type all of the rules I cut and pasted it.

My mamma only raised one dummy and my sister is not typing this.

You are correct it is a free country and anyon can move for any reason. And when a system starts a program that you can join if you want or not join if you want they can make rules for that sytem.

There are wt. classes. So maybe we should say well we weighed him last year and he was 103 so he should be able to wrestle that weight, even though he now weighs 130.

Rules are there for a reason, not to be bent or broken. If someone does not like the rules then they don't have to join the team or league. KHSAA is a leage joined by schools, not all schools in KY are in that league, those that are not have to find their own competition. Folow the rules the way they were ment and don't find ways to bent them or break them without being caught.

It seems that since ole President Clinton got away with perjury on the stand by double talking and bending the rules, we all seem to think we can do it. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Wow then we had to define sexual relation. geesh.

Well goo like I said h didn't break any ky rule because he did not compete twice In the KY league or whatever it is in the same grade he was in another state and organization sooo no rule was broken , in either state ,

Now smart people hold their kids back as sixth graders that way they can wrestle gradeschool and then get all three yrs in Jr High ,

Those high state placings and national placings lead to scholarships that help education its simple , now if everyone had the same thought as you do on the subject goo we would not have enjoyed all those olympic medals our us team got this Olympics or the last , Cejudo left his native state as a young man to wrestle at the Olympic training center do you think all those young gymnasts are academics first ? Not hardly ,

And I don't the on private schools

I like them I like their flexibility and the way they do not have the same limitations as public schools , I don't like how they try and hide behind religion and act as if they do not have a HUGE advantage , simply state tHe truth , I would send my own sons to a private school but the majority of top kids who attend them are not even of the same religion they want the academics and usually the sports plus'

Wasn't trying to switch topics it obviously is a thread about transfers schools and rules , and goo you pretty much described private schools when you stated there would be only a few top schools like , Trinity in Ky . And all the other private schools in other states , or ones with open enrollement ,

Acting like private schools do not have an advantage is ridiculous and as far as the private middle schools not competing in HS I doubt they are full of HS state champs if they were they would have won jr high state and they did not maybe a title or two but they probably wouldn't have made the teams in the private schools they intend to go to and NONE of them are anywhere near a Mark Hall or any transfers I have heard about in ky the last two yrs , guess that's a small negative to te huge plus of private schooling for athletes . Most studs do get their skills in other schools then head to private ones .

I got ya GOO, but I just think that that particular subject has been hammered over and over. The rules do not prevent the outcome. But I do understand your point.

Its all old news now and I posted on this site then that I didnt think Mark Hall would ever win a State Title in KY, (thank you Myron) but I guess that still remains to be seen, they could drive back down here at anytime in the next 3-4 or I guess 5 years. But I just really found it hard to believe a family (?) living in a trailer next to the school passed the KHSAA test for legitimate reason for a move? Am i missing something here or were they really living in a trailer, tell me I'm wrong on this?

Well goo like I said h didn't break any ky rule because he did not compete twice In the KY league or whatever it is in the same grade he was in another state and organization sooo no rule was broken , in either state ,

Yes he broke the 1st rule. A kid cannot transfer for athletic reasons.

now if everyone had the same thought as you do on the subject goo we would not have enjoyed all those olympic medals our us team got this Olympics or the last , Cejudo left his native state as a young man to wrestle at the Olympic training center do you think all those young gymnasts are academics first ? Not hardly ,

So what! No skin off my nose if we don't win a few medals at the olympics.

However we have now dropped out of the top five in academics in the world. That is what is really what is troubling, and I think it has a lot to do with sports. It use to be that you had to have at least a C average to participate in sports. Now you can fail 2 classes and have D's in your other classes and still participate in sports. (KHSAA rules, but schools can make the requirements more strict if they like).

I would like to see the corrolation between those two stats.

Thank you Buckeye. Even though we may or may not see eye to eye here at least you understand my stance here. I also understand some of the parents that make this decision because it may be the only way they think they can get their kid in college. Many believe if they don't get an athletic scholarship they will not attend college, so they retain them to get an advantage in high school. I don't agree but I understand. There are way to many grants and other types of scholarships out there if you look hard enough.

Just for the record. I found this in the Minnesota High School athletics Handbook.

BYLAW 109.00 SEASONS OF PARTICIPATION

Cross Reference: Bylaw 101 (Age), Bylaw 110 (Semesters Enrolled), Board Policy 109

and Bylaw 208 (Definition #8) Effective with the 7th grade class of 2011-2012.

1. Students may not participate in more than one interscholastic season in a given sport in each school year or more than six

seasons in any sport while enrolled in grades 7 to 12.

2. Participation, no matter how limited, will count as one season of participation.

BYLAW 110.00 SEMESTERS ENROLLED

Cross Reference: Bylaw 101 (Age), Bylaw 103 (Credit Requirements) and Bylaw 109 (Seasons of Participation)

Students shall be eligible for participation in League-sponsored activities for twelve consecutive semesters (six years),

beginning with their initial entrance into the 7th grade.

Counting Semesters: The student has twelve consecutive semesters for participation whether the student chooses to participate

or not, and regardless of whether the student remains fully enrolled or not. The twelve consecutive semesters begin with the

student’s initial entrance into the 7th grade.

Looks like maybe another rule was bent in Minnesota.

I will give it to you GOO,you do your homework. A few years back ,I thought the only way my son could get a scholarship was with wrestling but then I found out how few they really give.A ref from Indiana told my son, I don't care how good you become in wrestling you better have really good grades.She even went as far as to say,they also look for good people so it would help if he got involved with community service.So he might not do anything in state this year but he did get all A's and a B on his first set of grades.( I am just as happy about that so far)

So you think the US dropping out of the top 5 Is wdue to sports . That's a stretch to say the least . Kids staying occupied with a disciplined sport getting blamed for the downfall of US education ???????

I would blame it on kids not doing sports first , hanging out getting into trouble ???? You know the old fashioned reasons kids were always admired for getting into sports !!!!!!!!And now they are getting blamed for the drop in education in the world .

No skin off my nose either about the Olympics just proud of our athletes lol

Perhaps everyone should have just ran that little seventh grade evildoer out of the state before his dad could even plug in his camper to the nearest outlet and thank the wrestling and education gods he lost to a Sr at the state tournament or the US educational system would have totally collapsed .

If Ky has rules allowing jr high kids to wrestle in HS Wth did everyone expect and those are KHSAA rules . Yes living in a camper is a bit excessive but also a great burden . I doubt it phased the Halls a bit they have travelled the country for years in a camper for tournaments

not due to sports but due to the lax in academic requirement to play sports in school. And the importance that community and parents have put into sports, for many it outweighs academics in society today.

So you think the US dropping out of the top 5 Is wdue to sports . That's a stretch to say the least . Kids staying occupied with a disciplined sport getting blamed for the downfall of US education ???????

I would blame it on kids not doing sports first , hanging out getting into trouble ???? You know the old fashioned reasons kids were always admired for getting into sports !!!!!!!!And now they are getting blamed for the drop in education in the world .

No skin off my nose either about the Olympics just proud of our athletes lol

Perhaps everyone should have just ran that little seventh grade evildoer out of the state before his dad could even plug in his camper to the nearest outlet and thank the wrestling and education gods he lost to a Sr at the state tournament or the US educational system would have totally collapsed .

If Ky has rules allowing jr high kids to wrestle in HS Wth did everyone expect and those are KHSAA rules . Yes living in a camper is a bit excessive but also a great burden . I doubt it phased the Halls a bit they have travelled the country for years in a camper for tournaments

I see where you are coming from and I agree with what you are saying. Kids need a discipline. Whether it be sports, music, etc. However, the greater point being made is that we are raising VEAL. We give kids "participation ribbons". The minimum GPA to be eligible is what, 2.0? I know that if I came home with straight Cs my arse would get whooped. There would be NO extracurriculars, as sports were looked upon as a priveledge when I grew up. Nowadays, I see folks complaining that they have to pay for little Johnny to play. It is an EXTRAcurricular, a priveledge. Back to topic. I wish the Halls all the best. Have they worked the system to their advantage? Sure. As long as Mark is happy and advancing academically and socially I see no problem with it. Whether he is or not I do not know.

I would think Mark has seen more of the country / world than most kids his age , I'm sure he is advanced in most aspects of a real education .

I'm sure he would win a geography bee!!!

NY to Cali , he's been everywhere , his dad took him and my boys through Canada to do the 1000 island duals a couple yrs back in NY and I saw he beat Cisneros in Cali a yr or so ago , everywhere , people should not be such haters they are very dedicated to the sport , regardless of what means they use , Mark has a life outside of wrestling as well they live normal lives go to movies play video games watch football normal kid stuff . Just bust it in the wrestling room and on the mat .

I've never heard a negative word about him.

The Minnesota rule for any varsity sport of 6 years was passed after Mark Halls 7th grade year so he

was grandfathered in. No rules were ever broken in Minnesota or Kentucky.Further more, theres nothing wrong with holding a child back to spend another year with them before sending them out into the world. (This decision was made with his best interest in mind. Whats "right" for one kid may not be right for the next AND thats what all of you are forgetting here. Just because you may not agree or understand everything involved in making a decision of this magnitude, doesnt give you the right to judge.)

Well mark had a nitch in his plan from the start ,HELLO he wrestled here to wrestle HS comp and he wrestled up when he was doing it ,

Why would you say he was wrestling up? Probably so, in every aspect other than weight. The general consensus when he wrestled in Kentucky- he was cutting and cutting hard. He has fb posting that he was up to 165 this past summer. A 7th grader should not be cutting.

Further more, theres nothing wrong with holding a child back to spend another year with them before sending them out into the world. (This decision was made with his best interest in mind. Whats "right" for one kid may not be right for the next AND thats what all of you are forgetting here. Just because you may not agree or understand everything involved in making a decision of this magnitude, doesnt give you the right to judge.)

You keep telling yourself that, if that's what helps you sleep at night.

If spending another year with them is the issue then hold him back and don't compete. (But I suspect that is not the real reason.)

As for judging, we all do it every day. We judge how someone is driving in front of us and in back of us. Nothing wrong with judging anyone.

The "judging "is to often the hating and of course a loving parent would not want their kid gone any sooner than necessary , and if it is all good with a kid an his parent then holding them back is fine and has more + than - including getting to watch them win numerous HS state titles

No one asks to be judged and it's no ones buisness if it's within the rules and yes Mark did wrestle up to avoid making waves at Ryle ,common knowledge ,and as for cutting I have seen the best youth wrestlers in te country over the last twelve yrs more so than probably"I guarantee it" anyone in this state and Nearly all of them cut their Ass off , and not many harder than the kid Hall bumped up for so he could keep his spot ,

There will always be some crybabies complaining about someone doing it better than they are and using every advantage at their disposal ,Mark Hall has done more in the sport already than any kid in the state who lasting on him for anything only makes people look weak and envious , who cares if he makes all Cs in school Einstein wasn't an all A kid I heard LOL and obviously the intelligence level of many arguing about a 7 th grader who is ranked amongst the best HS wrestlers in the nation using rules to his advantage is not high enough to judge crap .

All I know is I will enjoy watching a hold back of my own win another state title this year and I already know he isn't the favorite anywhere , who cares this is a wrestling site lets focus on wrestling and quit crying about transfers and holdbacks it makes everyone look ignorant and envious , the rest of the country marvels at a kid and people in ky cry about him LOL it's ridiculous .

No matter what my take on this situation is, i will still enjoy watching him wrestle. Much like in pro sports. I don't really care to much about how they did what they did as long as they did it.

By now most know how i feel so this will be my summitive/conclusion.

Change the rules or whatever needs to be done, but follow the ones that are in place to the tee. I enjoyed Mark McGuire hitting mammoth home runs, then baseball made steroids illegal and he retired. I really didn't care. I also enjoyed Barry Bonds hit monster home runs however steroids were illegal in MLB at the end of his career. So I still enjoyed the home runs themselves but have a problem with them counting for the home run record. Allow everyone to follow the same rules then there is no problem. I personally don't care what the rules are, but make them, then stick to them.

GOO out.

So what school in Kentucky is Mark Hall wrestling for this year? Because you guys just blew up 3 pages of your life and over two weeks of thought for something that effects who....the Hall family. C'mon Man!

I'm with ya JW!

Actually.... this forum was dead and halls father brought it up outta no where, I was very surprised to see it actually

Otto started the thread "is he Halls dad ?"

What the heck do roids and baseball have to do with a jr high kid wrestling in HS in ky ???

People are so strange sometimes there is no comparison Hall broke no rules here in ky and evidently no where else ,I doubt he's juicing so Bonds McGuire Arnold or Conseco don't have anything in common with him , Halls tougher he's a kid wrestling up without advantage other than his hard work and obsession with wrestling ,

It seems greatness and what it takes to get there is something that is foreign to most so they tag anyone who attempts it at all costs as a rule breaker if not this then that some hater envious person would find something to cry about , it all a compliment to him any drama any talk it's all good LOL

Otto started the thread "is he Halls dad ?"

What the heck do roids and baseball have to do with a jr high kid wrestling in HS in ky ???

People are so strange sometimes there is no comparison Hall broke no rules here in ky and evidently no where else ,I doubt he's juicing so Bonds McGuire Arnold or Conseco don't have anything in common with him , Halls tougher he's a kid wrestling up without advantage other than his hard work and obsession with wrestling ,

It seems greatness and what it takes to get there is something that is foreign to most so they tag anyone who attempts it at all costs as a rule breaker if not this then that some hater envious person would find something to cry about , it all a compliment to him any drama any talk it's all good LOL

Agree with above. I brought it up because he is a great wrestler with ties to the area. In my opinion (granted I have followed him from a distance with no first hard or even second hand knowledge of any wrongdoing) he has used the rules to his advantage. This does not mean he broke any rules. Looking forward to the season. AV attends Clash and Cheesehead which receive good coverage. I'm sure Flo videos will be up.

I have talked to a few people about the whole situation and how things happened , I don't think it was him wrestling here that bothered most but that he came just before wrestling season and left right when it was over and although he broke no rules it kind of rubbed people the wrong way I wasn't sure on when he came and left just knew he wrestled there and left afterwards , it's understandable and someone can actually see both sides either way he's good and has worked and moved around to get better and that's his / their right , I have always tried to be a home team player untill given reason to be otherwise I am glad my sons got to represent the state they were born in and I was also glad they got to represent their former state . I think the people in ky are or we're worres about people dumping on them or seeing them as an inferior state as far as the sport but it is what it is ky has some quality wrestlers and teams and people no reason to sweat it just be truthful about the issues and why people say what they do ,

Let this thread die he's good he was here he's gone end of story or at least KYs part of it .

Much more things to discuss it almost time where's everyone going to be and who's going to be standing on the top of the podiums at the end of the year what are the best matches going to be ,

Not trying to keep this thread going, but did anyone watch the Cooper/Hall match today at the Michigan Grappler. Great match, Coop was up going into 3rd, but Hall pulled it out 5-3 with riding time. Coop went after him and was in his face the whole match. I'll go with Kevin next weekend, he'll finish that single the next time!

Not trying to keep this thread going, but did anyone watch the Cooper/Hall match today at the Michigan Grappler. Great match, Coop was up going into 3rd, but Hall pulled it out 5-3 with riding time. Coop went after him and was in his face the whole match. I'll go with Kevin next weekend, he'll finish that single the next time!

http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/249371-2012-Grappler-Fall-Classic/video/658524-152-Finals-Mark-Hall-MI-vs-Kevin-Cooper-KY

good match Kevin, but to finish on hall is like someone being able to bench over 400 pounds, its few and far between! go get em at super32!!

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Me too, mark is a full time national level wrestler ,tough to beat , but Stephen wasn't anywhere near 100 percent when they wrestle a couple yrs back it was his first tourny back after his miniscus tear and he wrestled up a bit good match a 3 OT go but at the time at 100 percent Stephen would have won I do believe he was pretty hot his fresh and soph yrs AA on yr and doubling the next , Mark will be a legend in the sport and has beaten some of the best , Stephen actually beat him a few yrs before that then lost to him the same day ,

You would have to be sharp to beat Mark now and few can or could Stephen is one of those that could if he worked .

Show up to a little youth tourny in eastern oh and run into Mark Hall , John Dillon ,Sid Jones , all youth superstars not only in oh but the country that's insane

I agree. Stephen has the talent, but I must admit HALL is a machine. He beat the NO 2 ranked 160LBer in the country this past weekend and at super 32 he beat the NO 9 Ranked 152 LBers. I would love to see it.. get this match arranged!!!

Yes Mark beat the kid that Bo Jordan beat by a point at Iron Man Isiah Martinez who won super 32 at 160 that's impressive company .