I understand there will be the biggest showdown of two of the best wrestlers to ever grace the bluegrass !!!

The place------SIMON KENTON HIGH SCHOOL

The day ------Wednesday, January 9, 2013

It doesn' get any better than this SHOWDOWN / THROWDOWN !!!!!

I would absolutely love to be there....This matchup should fill the stands and hoping it gets taped for all to see. Both pound for pound two of the best ever in the State !

Someone please record this for the public. I don't care if its a nokia cell phone. Get this match on record!

Is this just speculation, or is it already set in stone? I'd hate to drive to Simon Kenton and not see this battle.

I'll say this SK and CC are wrestling on Wed. And both Cooper and SAM have been wrestling 152 the last couple of weeks.

My guess is that both camps the Meyer (CC) camp and the Cooper (SK) camp want to find out the results of the match. Either way I don't think it really decides the outcome of the dual. CC will pull this one out regardless.

If Cooper and Meyer both go 152 Campbell will probably get a pin at 160 with Bachman

If Cooper goes 160 then Meyers gets the pin at 152 and at best/worst matches Coopers' pin at 160.

If Meyers goes 160 then that means Woods is back in the lineup at 152 with Meyers pinning at 160 and at best/worst Cooper pinning at 152. / or maybe Hamilton goes 152 and Cooper does not pin Hamilton but just wins with Woods at 145 with a pin.

What about a Parrot/Fauz matchup as well ?

Myers and Cooper ......I think it's going down.....Should be a classic for the times .

The one that knows is being quiet for the first time since I've been on the forums. Mpire will we get to see this? Everyone has been talking about this all year and you are the one that can answer all the questions.

Stephen is going 152 , from what I am told

Austin is going 220 I know

Nick Sinclair is hvy I am sure .

These are the things I know .

And Austin has a big butt ....I mean powerful hips which give him superhuman mutant like abilities beyond those of ordinary humans along with a keen sense of defense as well as explosive offensive wrestling capabilities . And the genetic potential to become the greatest fullback in Camel History .

And I know graham has very weak upper weights that led to Blair picking them apart .

Graham peaked when they had David Taylor, are there any Jordans left after Micah? From my knowledge they only have two big time prospects currently in their system outside of the Jordans. But when I don't have my teammates around me I am horribly out of touch with Ohio wrestling.

But back to the Kentucky side of things, if somebody doesn't film the match between Cooper and Myers (from a decent angle) and then upload it to youtube I will personally headbutt each and every attendee of that dual hahaha

Yes they have a younger son , he is a beast , and they will reload as usual .They have traditionally been weak at upper weights .

Well Mr Ft Campbell, get ready for another peak at Graham in a few years. Coach Jordan told me the 7th grade class (which includes Rocky Jordan) is likely the best ever at Graham. I see them a ton and we wrestle them on a regular basis. And I've seen them go live with a lot of varsity kids (both OH and KY) and I will tell you this. You enter their middle school team in the KY High School post season and they place top 20 at state. No doubt.

It is hard to find a better coach then Mr. Jordan. I'll be looking forward to that class then, I have always enjoyed watching the stars they turn out.

I agree they peaked with Taylor , but will reload recruit as needed . They were nat # 1 with DT and I doubt they are state # 1 this yr , of course they are in d2 but they have private school privelage as a public school .their d2 d1 debate every year is a bit ridiculous , besides they are dirty as hell ranger your an obvious graham sycophant , I think I will puke now .

Well Mr Ft Campbell, get ready for another peak at Graham in a few years. Coach Jordan told me the 7th grade class (which includes Rocky Jordan) is likely the best ever at Graham. I see them a ton and we wrestle them on a regular basis. And I've seen them go live with a lot of varsity kids (both OH and KY) and I will tell you this. You enter their middle school team in the KY High School post season and they place top 20 at state. No doubt.

That sounds a lot like you're saying Graham grows their own and has in the past. Aside from the Jordans that is not the case. DT for one is an obvious recruit. Felipe, the Thomusseits, are others. Jordan is a great coach, but there are a dozen better ones in Ohio alone.

Let's not have this degenerate into another debate about private schools. Coach Jordan is a great coach just like Coach Urbas and Coach Buxton home grown wrestlers or not.

Making top 20 with a middle school team in KY is great , but don't get carried away I have seen middle school teams in Ohio other than graham who would place higher than them in KY and Ohio and they were not all lightweights .

I saw a Prodigy team beat a very good ECCW 76 to 3 one yr at West Virginia duals . And the only loss Came to a kid who just left Prodigy .

I guess if these kids are from graham they are a lot more impressive , but I doubt they are all from that district originally if they are at all .

Very impressive but they do not play by the same rules as everyone else and use their advantage to draw more wrestlers to them and to train with them it's a great strategy . And everyone overlooks it because they are good it's how capitalism works .

Making top 20 with a middle school team in KY is great , but don't get carried away I have seen middle school teams in Ohio other than graham who would place higher than them in KY and Ohio and they were not all lightweights .

Not sure what your point is. My reply was in reference to Graham's dip. Yes I am a Jeff Jordan fan and would consider him a friend. I never claimed all of their kids are home grown, but Campbell and Union can't claim that either.

No but Campbell and Unions kids live there , and if you are implying my own that's funny they were born where they wrestle the same county probably closer to their school than most kids in it .

I don't really see a dip

They have always been weak here and there they are not successful at recruiting heavier kids

Maybe one day graham their coaches or their influence will

Screw your kid and you might not be So friendly .

But you probably don't have to worry .

As I said capitalism ,victors make the history and sycophants who wish to be apart of something better always bow down to betters wrongs and shortcomings . Now we know where each other stands COACH .

Don't bother dealing or talking with your teams transfers , go rub elbows with the coach and team that's screws your owns wrestlers so you can insure hanging with the powerhouse up north , while you obviously side against the kid that helped make your own team a powerhouse .

I see your point you subtly attack my boys and Jayce Carr , LoL

Knocking your own state by saying your friends middle school team would beat most of your states high school teams , when they would do the same to a lot in their own , you obviously fall victim to the negativity cast on your own state by those outside of it and become a part of the negativity that keeps it down , there is no magic up north it's a joke everyone shows up wrestles live and no one is shown anything spectacular outside of their own team it's simply a room that has a massive following because of those that show up , it's hillarious , Prodigy and Miron actually show more wrestling , but Jordan's always has a bigger following because of numbers and ease and history .

Perfect example of how utterly terrible this forum has become. Good thread started about the potential matchup of two absolute studs and its quickly reduced to mpire rambling on incoherently about nonsense that no one could care less about. I know tons of folks speak highly of Mr Myers and say he is nice and respectful in person...quick question...when you all meet him do you ever ask why he's such a massive tool on the internet? I mean, the list of people he has directly attacked on here grows everyday and it's getting out of hand. Does anyone feel the need to maybe confront him about being so aggressive and combatitive on a forum that solely discusses HS sports? Perhaps the CC coaches or other parents? Or does everyone just gush over how incredibly nice and interesting he is in person?

For some folks who are either geographically seperated, or otherwise, from KY wrestling this used to be a great source of information, a place to exchange opinions on teams, indiv. wrestlers, coaching strategies, college recruiting, etc. Now?? Its the Mpire show 24/7 Nothing more.

I'll be showing myself out now because it's obvious to me from prior observations that within moments of hitting POST I will be flamed by mpire and his ilk. He will likely call me something derogatory and say something vaguely threatening like "my kid is next" or "thats wut you thunk cause youll never be a champ"" blah blah.

Just wanted to get my 2cents in first.

Grappler of old: you're still the best all around poster on here. thanks for all the new info you add and being able to recall the past better than anyone, I want to get a beer with you someday and just talk about riding legs in polyester singlets.

Ranger, thanks, nothing more to say.

A few others I've always enjoyed reading:

cmcoy (he does more for this sport than probably any one person since Coach Rusty Parks)

kdsmith

mathound

MatMamma

pridewrestler

jpizar83

eville dad

ubtappin

pioneer_pride

Josh Claywell (any sports journalist that actually understands and covers wrestling deserves support)

tiltfor3

Mr Granby

just Wrestle

ManBearPig

and I'm sure I missed more.

peace.

Didn't even read more than two lines of your post , I did not comment on this thread untill asked and I was asked what I knew , I did not divert it to a graham Jordan love / hate fest , not did I pump up graham middle by saying they would beat most ky high school teams , I do have a chip on my shoulder with good reason due to recent events , I think most honest people could see why and if they do not all they need do is watch a match , and if they still choose to blast me for it , to h with them particularly Anyone from my kids school or team nothing worse than a hometown hater .

And I don't care who is friends with who who does what who has been where done that or won 4 NCAA titles , brother if you blast on me it's all good you cheat my kid or side with anyone that does and your just a pile of $h/; to me .

And for all your crybabying about me did you or do you not see how me and my own kids are drug through the mud on other sites , a kid loses a summer tourny after wrestling for a few weeks and it's big news and used to bash a kid and his parent because he moved to ky where he was warned and bashed to begin with , you know why people like some people ,they say what they think they are not afraid , if you think I shouldn't talk back or defend myself or my kids that's your problem I think everyone knows why I am ticked at graham even those I have argued with on here can see , and I do not have to bow down and nit make waves because some or doesn't want to upset or make graham Jordan or ranger or coach b or anyone else

Mad I say what I feel and think and usually I am dead on .

Perfect example of how utterly terrible this forum has become. Good thread started about the potential matchup of two absolute studs and its quickly reduced to mpire rambling on incoherently about nonsense that no one could care less about. I know tons of folks speak highly of Mr Myers and say he is nice and respectful in person...quick question...when you all meet him do you ever ask why he's such a massive tool on the internet? I mean, the list of people he has directly attacked on here grows everyday and it's getting out of hand. Does anyone feel the need to maybe confront him about being so aggressive and combatitive on a forum that solely discusses HS sports? Perhaps the CC coaches or other parents? Or does everyone just gush over how incredibly nice and interesting he is in person?

For some folks who are either geographically seperated, or otherwise, from KY wrestling this used to be a great source of information, a place to exchange opinions on teams, indiv. wrestlers, coaching strategies, college recruiting, etc. Now?? Its the Mpire show 24/7 Nothing more.

I'll be showing myself out now because it's obvious to me from prior observations that within moments of hitting POST I will be flamed by mpire and his ilk. He will likely call me something derogatory and say something vaguely threatening like "my kid is next" or "thats wut you thunk cause youll never be a champ"" blah blah.

Just wanted to get my 2cents in first.

Grappler of old: you're still the best all around poster on here. thanks for all the new info you add and being able to recall the past better than anyone, I want to get a beer with you someday and just talk about riding legs in polyester singlets.

Ranger, thanks, nothing more to say.

A few others I've always enjoyed reading:

cmcoy (he does more for this sport than probably any one person since Coach Rusty Parks)

kdsmith

mathound

MatMamma

pridewrestler

jpizar83

eville dad

ubtappin

pioneer_pride

Josh Claywell (any sports journalist that actually understands and covers wrestling deserves support)

tiltfor3

Mr Granby

just Wrestle

ManBearPig

and I'm sure I missed more.

peace.

AMEN KYgrappler!

KYgrappler, good point on the tangents. Too many of us (myself included) sometimes allow ourselves to get sidetracked on negative topics that destroy great discussions.

That said, I have a couple last points to make regarding Graham/Jordan. Jeff owes me, my kids, or my team nothing. BUT Jeff, his assistants, wrestlers, and parents have done a great deal to help my kids and those training with us get better. He has gone out of his way to treat my boys as well as anyone on his team. One day soon, Jeff will be sitting across the mat in the opposing coaches chair. And yes he may influence a call or 2 that may result in a tough loss for my boy. Will it suck. Yes. But that situation happens every single weekend we step on the mat. It goes both ways. It's not Jordan's fault that he may influence an official to make a call. He's doing his job. All I will tell my boy is get a big enough lead so that questionable call doesn't impact the final result. Rearding your boys or Jayce (and Blackwell), I didn't say anything negative; not taking anything away from great wrestlers. You should appreciate what I did. Just stated facts. They are move ins who did not grow up in the programs they are wrestling for. And finally, not taking anything away from any KY high school teams. Just giving some reference for how good their 7th grade class is. And yes, they are local Graham kids.

So, how about the Cooper-Myers battle...

_{I agree KY Grappler, this site used to be about good natured conversations about potential matches and what other people felt about wrestling in general. I'm no longer in KY but I still try to follow the wrestlers and programs there, but WOW this has turned into something very different and not at all good for KY wrestling. People have differing opinions and we should respect that, not call them idiots because they don't feel the same way you do!!!!!!!!!}

i think Mpire and ranger should wrestle. I put my money on Ranger smoking old man Mpire.

I say Myer 3, Cooper 2

I predict something like Dake-Taylor I. The crowd will be a little disappointed as there is not much action. Of course now that I say that both guys will come out guns blazing.

As I said you look away because of who graham and Jordan are , as for the match , 2 top twenty nationally ranked kids one who has only 4 losses in HS and is a sr , it means a lot and I doubt you will ever be in that situation Ranger , and your fellow hs coaches had never been in that situation either , an without hesitation i would say they were nervous wrestling against graham and jirdan and should have argued the call a lot more than they almost did . so don't say how you would deal with it , as for big leads top kids have close ones that refs can change with bs calls And people always use that as an excuse when taking the side of the winner , I know the sport I know the angles I see yours , no respect for you you sell out your own wrestlers to stay in good steed with those you think will help you , and I dont care who likes it ,

We were blasted on this site a bit as well and at continuously blasted on sites in Oh .

Last yr and even this thread is about My kid/ kids as always pressure talk speculation and more bs ,

Glad you like graham why don't you move up there . But in the meantime my son Austin will be busy breaking all of CC and Kentuckys records as well as the hearts of all the buckeyes he beats .

And we don't need to and haven't been to Jordan's in quite a while .

You would lose throw king , im like Austin I don't mind a cheap shot or two and no need for rules as my sons opponents lately do not need to follow them

Ranger is a class act. You could learn a lot from him Mpire. You are happy go lucky until someone challenges your opinion and then you go nuts. I have a feeling that Rangers opinions hold a lot more water than your's ever will. I'll have Ranger in my corner any time.

Anyone who tries to influence mpire to tone it down a bit on a message board is wasting their time. He lives for the reactions he getsb out of people. You would think his anger management issues getting his kids thrown off the team down at grant would have taught him some humility. But not a chance. Hell burn his bridge....excuse me his son austin's bridge at cc then hell have to take him somewhere else or start his own school. Hell probably have to throw himself out of that school as well.

Why do we all look at his posts? Its like rubber necking at a bad wreck. Who can resist his wwf like tyraids. Myermania running wild...oh yea!!!

Back on topic, I think theyre about even on the mat with the edge to stephen on his feet. If cooper can defend well on his feet I give him a fighting chance. If he tries to get into a scambling matchup I think stephen wins by 4 or more.

How will they run this Tri? They should make this like the main event with Cooper and Myers finishing up the night. What time will it start? Will both teams run through Boone first then let the fireworks begin? We need answers I see Mpire and Ranger on here where is Coach Gilbert? This should be an event for everyone to watch and I don't see any information making it to the forums page!

Awww Kygrappler you have me blushing.

All joking aside. I don't mind hearing what people think. It's what I come on here to do. I also like to make light of all that happens on here. I only come on here to have fun and sometimes get on my soapbox and preach. (even though no one listens) At least that's what my lovely bride tells me.

As for the Meyer/Cooper match. As many on here have stated. Please oh please someone put this match on video. So the entire state can see it. I for one want to see the match myself. The outcome will be the outcome and I personally don't have a preference in the outcome as long as it is a good/fiar match by both. Good luck to both on this mementes (Sp) match.

I would also like to make a small comment about the other web sites about wrestling. I personally don't look at them however if you do then you have to expect Ky bashing just like you get Oh bashing on here. But I think that most of the comment on that other side in no way speak for the people of the great Bluegrass state of KY. Like it or not Mpire you and your boys are now Ky kids, you have been absorbed into the hillbilly/redneck life. So your gonna have to get use to the carpetbaggers up north there bark is much worse than their bite. (we got your back)

P.S. I'm such a hillbilly i had to look up the word sycophant.

This is for the other hillbilly's who are afraid to ask what it means.

syc·o·phant

/ˈsɪk ə fənt, -ˌfænt, ˈsaɪ kə-/ Show Spelled [sik-uh-fuh nt, -fant, sahy-kuh-] Show IPA

noun

a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite.

Lol I know many of you do and it's nice ,

And I hope many of you know i return the favor all the time . And yes people on thise sites and this one cross the line way to much particularly some on this thread , it's all good I have the biggest gun around and he is pissed at graham too and anyone who sides with them or against his brother , nothing to do with me or bs Internet talk , it's a sport play fair or expect garbage

Mpire from one a hole to another I can say I admire you sticking up for your kid and saying you are in his corner. No one can deny your fiery loyalty to your family. I just have one question for you. Youve been asked to take your kids elsewhere how many times? 5, 6 or more? Colerain, moeller, graham, reading, grant county.....just the ones i know of. Not counting tournaments. Serious question here....do you stop to consider your kids feelings towards this hopping around before you burn that bridge? Because that mfer ranger helps out at your son's school. You dont want him in your son's corner....too damn bad. Take him somewhere else douchebag. Oh yea...one more thing. Marinelli got a takedown.

How will they run this Tri? They should make this like the main event with Cooper and Myers finishing up the night. What time will it start? Will both teams run through Boone first then let the fireworks begin? We need answers I see Mpire and Ranger on here where is Coach Gilbert? This should be an event for everyone to watch and I don't see any information making it to the forums page!

Perfect example of how utterly terrible this forum has become. Good thread started about the potential matchup of two absolute studs and its quickly reduced to mpire rambling on incoherently about nonsense that no one could care less about. I know tons of folks speak highly of Mr Myers and say he is nice and respectful in person...quick question...when you all meet him do you ever ask why he's such a massive tool on the internet? I mean, the list of people he has directly attacked on here grows everyday and it's getting out of hand. Does anyone feel the need to maybe confront him about being so aggressive and combatitive on a forum that solely discusses HS sports? Perhaps the CC coaches or other parents? Or does everyone just gush over how incredibly nice and interesting he is in person?

For some folks who are either geographically seperated, or otherwise, from KY wrestling this used to be a great source of information, a place to exchange opinions on teams, indiv. wrestlers, coaching strategies, college recruiting, etc. Now?? Its the Mpire show 24/7 Nothing more.

I'll be showing myself out now because it's obvious to me from prior observations that within moments of hitting POST I will be flamed by mpire and his ilk. He will likely call me something derogatory and say something vaguely threatening like "my kid is next" or "thats wut you thunk cause youll never be a champ"" blah blah.

Just wanted to get my 2cents in first.

Grappler of old: you're still the best all around poster on here. thanks for all the new info you add and being able to recall the past better than anyone, I want to get a beer with you someday and just talk about riding legs in polyester singlets.

Ranger, thanks, nothing more to say.

A few others I've always enjoyed reading:

cmcoy (he does more for this sport than probably any one person since Coach Rusty Parks)

kdsmith

mathound

MatMamma

pridewrestler

jpizar83

eville dad

ubtappin

pioneer_pride

Josh Claywell (any sports journalist that actually understands and covers wrestling deserves support)

tiltfor3

Mr Granby

just Wrestle

ManBearPig

and I'm sure I missed more.

peace.

I know it is only January, but this just might be the post of the year.

Mpire you said a holes like me made you the way you are. I think its the other way around pal. Read the gmva thread again. Same old story. If you can follow it logically and read where the friction started it came from you. You said sam got the biggest rippoff ever and if you dont believe it go watch the video. I did. I know the rules of wrestling not the best on this site but well enough and certainly better than you. It was a takedown. Confirmed by many on here. You only want to hear people agree with you. So you then call me queer. So game on. I took down the wife comments because that was crappy of me. Shes a sweet lady. You're just a huge jackbutt online. 3....2.....1.... thread locked. Thanks again mpire.

Myers-Cooper.....I think it goes OT.....both are capable of winning !

This is an OPEN forum....it's like RADIO ...if you don't like the channel CHANGE IT FOOL !

Looks as if EVERYONE has their opinions KYgrappler, you included....3 posts in the past year....hmmm

Just sayin' !

Myers-Cooper.....I think it goes OT.....both are capable of winning !

This is an OPEN forum....it's like RADIO ...if you don't like the channel CHANGE IT FOOL !

Looks as if EVERYONE has their opinions KYgrappler, you included....3 posts in the past year....hmmm

Just sayin' !

FOOL is directed at me.....I happen to be looking into the mirror right now !

Peace !

Seems like there is a lot of sensitivity and grown men getting their feelings getting hurt on this board. Is this a wrestling forum or a teenage girl drama forum?

Seems like there is a lot of sensitivity and grown men getting their feelings getting hurt on this board. Is this a wrestling forum or a teenage girl drama forum?

I am planning therapy after the season. I can't make up my mind, sensitivity training or anger management ! Decisions, decisions....what's a wrestler's dad who is over 50 to do ?

This is all nonsense, no one should be arguing back and forth. It's just two studs wrestling. Yes, they are both amazing. Yes, this is a controversial topic. Yes, this will be epic, but there is not need to fight over it. Just let these beastly athletes wrestle. That is all.

Been there done that if you ever had the balls to say all the crap you did on this site "most of which you erased "In front of me and my boys no one would have to hear your crap ever again ,over and over since I tuned out you spouted off , your a pot stirring piece of cowardly trash ,

I don't even read all your posts because your obviously the biggest sissy on any wrestling website , enough about you as for everyone taking up for ranger that's great but it's like this ,

I was asked what I thought I mentioned graham getting beaten by Blair again along with my info on the dual , and ranger and whoever started a graham thread out of this one , wrong thread and I take it as him taking up for his pals against me an he obviously knows I am

Ticked at them so if he has a problem with me or mine that's fine don't beat around the bush and if he's brown nosing because his kids go to Jordan's to practice like everyone else it's a joke and he's a coward , I'm pissed

My kid got ripped off his sr yr by some dirty refs and a coach who would be raising hell If the call was the other way around. And if he wants to make excuses about getting ahead and winning over obstacles and that whole speech he's obviously taking sides as I said show me a picture or a freeze frame anywhere in that match in the second period before the ref waved them out that was a two , you can't and Ranger your a sell out , don't care who likes it or me saying it if it was your kid ranked his sr yr getting ready to sign for college and had wrestled his whole life and got ripped off against the highest ranked kid he would see all yr you would be pissed too and If you sold your kid out as you are mine you would be trash .

And hell no not everyone who saw the match agrees it was two only haters as a matter of fact refs in Ohio know it was a blown call and have said so , show me where it was two in the second on the mat before being waved off you can't ,

Glad your friends with Jordan ranger who gives a f this wasn't a thread about your love fest for graham go take your kid up there and get him trained don't mention mine anymore or talk to them or even look at em , your a poor excuse for a coach and I don't care how much you have done for anyone I judge people by how they treat me or mine and if they are truthful ,

Now that I have made everyone mad for picking on their buddy for siding against my son on a bs call

I will say that I talked to two NCAA champs who watched the match and three college coaches , they all said it was good but that was a bad call no takedown should be allowed after they were called out . That's all the answers I need on the subject ,

Now all you wannabees go up to Jordan's and rub elbows and tellem how big of a jerk I am and how great he is and text ranger and kiss his butt too , but before you do look at all the trash that folks in Ohio talk about my boys and me and watch the damn match and look for a legit two in the second before they were out then post it on here or crappy and I will never post again , but you cant

Either way I am ashamed a coach that has anything to do with my kids team would defend someone cheating a state champ from that team that's pathetic , there must be some issues with the program or at least with my boys who are standup athletes much more so than the dirty wrestlers I saw from graham who get awy with holds bars an chokes no other team or kid would along with bad call after bad call for one of its rising stars and a coach who uses his prestige to cheat a now KY champ from rangers school ,

Now get back to you topic about my son and his opponent enjoy the one about him because his brother is about to take wrestling in ky to a whole new level with no help needed from cowardly coaches or any fans who can't see the truth

Two takedown, marinelli

Two takedown, marinelli

Just my opinion...he waved them out....then awarded a LATE 2 points....barking coaches in the corner was very intimidating. If I were refereeing, which I might do after this season....I stick with the out of bounds and NO points. Of course that is my opinion, and I am entitled to it. Just like the Dake/Taylor bout.....Taylor got HOSED on 2 calls and should have won that match.

I hope the match tomorrow between Stephen and Kevin gets a fair shake...I have all the confidence in our refs to get it right !

I would also love to see a Parrrot-Fauz matchup.....Going to be one fantastic dual.....Great teams, great coaches and most of all very talented and gifted kids !

Moderators.....plllleeeeeaaaasssseeee don't lock this thread / topic!!!! This is like my male soap opera version of All My Children, General Hospital, etc. If you lock this thread, that's just like the Friday episode every week where at the end of the show, something dramatic is about to happen, but you're left in suspense until Monday's episode. Oh, and by the way, since we're off topic yet again....I miss my boy Mr. Granby. It's been a few months since I talked to you. Shoot me a line.

But seriously, how about that Cooper-Myers or Myers-Cooper match depending on your preference. I'm not coaching anymore so my Wednesdays are free. Would probably be worth bringing my 6-year-old monster phenom eater (seriously, the boy can eat....he's 4'7" and is believe it or not a lean 90 lbs. I know he's just a 1st grader, but put him against high school wrestlers in the state and he would finish top 20 in an eating contest...the boy can throw down or up if need be) up from Louisville to watch two outstanding young men / wrestlers go head-to-head to show him what hard work can accomplish.

I have absolutely no vested interest in Steph, or Marinelli. I will say that I always root for KY kids no matter what school they attend when they go out of state and represent, much like I am a UK fan, but I root for the SEC. That being said, I have watched the match time and again, and in my opinion, it was NOT a takedown. It was in fact a referee screwing up a call. Not saying it was or wasn't intentional, but a blown call never the less. I've battled with Mpire on this site, and have taken his side on things as well. He has been around a lot more wrestling than some of us. He does make very valid points. I have also taken up for Ranger in the past, even given him his props. But for him to seemingly be against his own program is mind boggleing. It wouldn't surprise me if Mpire made a change. If I felt like I was somewhere that I wasn't needed or appreciated, I would too. Austin is special, as is Steph. I wish them both the best. I hope the match tomorrow lives up to the hype. My only hope is that at the end of the match, no matter the outcome, that everyone in that gym gets off of their asses and applauds two of the best wrestlers to ever grace the mat in Kentucky!!!

Remind me where I against my own program or kids that are a part of it. Go back. Read the posts. I never gave my opinion on the call. I simply stated how I would approach it with my son. After the match is over it is history. Can't change it. I know I don't own a time machine to go back and re-live the moment. It is what it is. Would I have argued the call? Yes, I definitely would have questioned the official whether it was my son or any kid I was coaching. But that very seldom changes the call and I would still give my son the same speech after. My biggest issue is to accuse the opposing coach of cheating for pushing for a takedown call in that situation. Come watch my team wrestle this weekend. I guarantee you will see/hear the same from my corner. And not just for my boy.

I've seen you guys wrestle. Top notch kids. Never seen you argue to many calls though. Not saying that's good or bad, just an observation. My comment wasn't aimed at your post as much as it was to the animosity between u and Mpire. There are obviously problems there.

No speech for me to give my son , he scored first and was wrestling HIS match he knows the sport and actually knows how to prepare for almost any opponent he was trained by very knowledgable coaches , that's why he scored so quickly he knew what was coming and what he would do ,

Had he been scores on with a legit takedown I still would not give him much of a speech as I said he knows that stuff is for youth , he also knew when he got cheated and he still went for it as for time and an escape 36 sec when someone is pushing you out over and over and is good as well is not a lot of time , in the third he escaped an without the two that was b in the second it would have have him the lead but instead Marinelli stalled and when he had little time left he went for it and far up a score on a have to attempt , no speech to be given I don't give every day train harder .

Ist post since my banishment from KY wrestling over a year ago!!! I have followed all the bs on this site and can't stand to stay quiet anymore. I personally could give two shits about graham or ranger and Mpire's fued. I am only concerned with the topic of this thread the match tomorrow night!

I think Myers wins this match easily even if the score seems close. I have seen both of these young men wrestle a few times this year and Cooper has very little effective offense on his feet and bottom has always been his weakness.

Kevin has a right handed high crotch, a pull by, and a right handed "half super duck". He is not going to get any of those on the faster Myers. That being said if Myers does not open up he will not score on his feet and this could be a long match 6 minutes +, with very little scoring.

My match predictions by period.

1st: no takedowns

2nd: escape cooper, no takedowns

3rd: escape myers, no takedowns

sv1: no takedowns,

ot1st 30: escape myers

ot2nd 30: myers rideout

2-1 myers on the rideout

longest most overhyped boring bout of the century!!!!!

Hahahahah why would they lock this thread?!?!?!?!? Ever since Roid Monkey came to KY this website has tripled in traffic!!! They are making money on his illiterate butt.

Iwin - you are correct. I don't argue a lot. Only the calls that matter and where i feel strongly that a bad call has been made. Something I learned from Coach B.

Sounds like figure4 is on my side = not an exciting bout. Hopefully we are wrong and the crowd gets a show.

A few days ago on ESPN I saw Arizona get by Colorado on a last second shot .. but it didn't count.... saw the packers lose to the Seahawks on a very crazy call..... but after a few days you just have to forget about it and move on......Your sons are the best wrestlers in this great state I've seen in years......... I'm proud of them and I don't even know them. I just love region 6 teams even more when it comes to like big time events......I'll continue to root for them because I consider them NKY kids. Always remember sometimes it's easier to build children than repair adults... It's not a knock on you Mpire as you have twice the knowledge I do on wrestling but from an outsider looking in...I think it's just time to try and let it go and enjoy your sons great seasons because the best is yet to come....

Weigh ins are at 6, wrestling will start around 7. The third team backed out, so it's just CC vs SK. See you there.

So what time is this battle kicking off? Still havnt heard.

I predict the loser of the match tomorrow will be the winner of public perception in the long run. I'm betting the winner of the match takes the attitude he has nothing left to prove and will jump to 160 for state to avoid a rematch. This will draw the ire of many on this board. He will be accused of dodging a rematch. Long term, these two kids are almost in a no win situation.

As i said Jordan used his prestige to get a call that was not legit and that he as a coach knew was wrong.and if you try to do the same on a call that you can clearly see is wrong , then yes you are attempting to cheat .

It's a refs job to know what's right and wrong and to stick to his call , telling a kid he is out then allowing his opponent to take him down is like ringing the bell in a boxing match the ref stepping between the fighters then allowing one to throw a haymaker , and letting it slide ,

Saw Holyfield lose an Olympic gold for throwing a punch after the bell , saw a graham kid beat a nationally ranked 2 x state champ fom CC after getting two on a takedown after the ref called them out .

Of course everyone has to go to graham to train their coaches run camps and are popular across a few states , doesn't mean I have to bow down as others do , and hes my friend and how great their jr high team is was a little much and an obvious comeback on my comment of them losing to Blair yet again and the other comment of them peaking with DT , you felt you had to defend them , just as I feel I have to tell it like it is , I would NEVER take up for anyone cheating any of my kids teammates or actually any kid in the state , but of course some feel my kids are not real CC wrestlers obviously , still steph was cheated by refs pushed by Jordan Oma dirty shot by a kid who did not stop when the ref called them out .

Take up of who you want , Austin will still be CCs first fresh / soph / jr / sr state champ 4 timer and my first 4 timer over puny weight .

And I actually think he would have been a 5 or more timer as steph would have been quite possibly as well ,

Tomorrow will be interesting and depending on how it turns out and how people react , things may be a lot more interesting ,

As I said I didn't comment on this thread untill asked So all the smack about me always saying this an that was uncalled for .

To bad ky isn't proud enough or brave enough to rely on its own or take up for it own kids when they are obviously cheated and used as propaganda tools for out of state teams and their kids . Pretty sad taking up for a team cheating your own , even if it was ever so subtle .

They will always look down on you untill all your best are looking down on them and that's what going to happen , at least with ATM and your right he knows as I did leave no room totally destroy everyone , bet them as quickly and totally as you can just like he did at GMVWA and yes I think he should have won OW there seldom see 5 first period pins including one over a returning tournament champ in finals , had ATM been wearing a falcons singlet , he might have gotten a better look but then again his name isn't THE Bo JORDAN ITs ATM The Kentuckian . A name he appreciates although he's just a Transfer to some .

So is Jayce just a Transfer to the Union coaches I wonder ??????and would they argue the call or at least put up with a ticked of parent over a bs call and not defend the opposing team ???? Who can say ,

Either way i like B and B lol even though young B hurt my feelings at The tourny and had me fuming he later came to me and said what he saw on tape and felt . Admirable all you can ask of a person is to admitt when they are wrong and try to do better next time , great young coach my favorite assistant coach ever , still wish he would have pulled that leg off and smashed that refs skull in with it though instead of jumping up and protesting a little then setting back down ,

Hope the boys have a good match Cooper gets the big match up at home and he is one tough hombre , still hope Stephen handles his buisness , because he is a bigger sore loser than me .

People make too big a deal out of transfers. Trinity's entire team is transfers if you want to get technical. Kids want to compete for good programs and train under the best coaches. The public schools have to be open and willing to accept them to keep up with the private schools. Just look at what a mockery Trinity has made out of 6A football in the state of Kentucky.

wonder if hicks is going to wrestle turner and chamblee vs matthews ....... there's more than 1 great match up in my eyes

If u want to talk transfers, I can't 100% confirm, but always heard the 4x KY State Champ transfer from Indiana for St. X never spent the night in the Bluegrass. Just saying.

And I didnt hear Trinity mentioning where their st champ and OW winner was originally from last yr , but I know ,

And can you be a transfer then a transfer then come back to where you were born and actually attended kindergarten and be a transfer , I don't know but I do have a birth certificate of SAM and ATM and it says Campbell County on it somewhere ?????!?

fanofwrestling - you are correct. talking to a parent tonight and so many of us get caught up in the main event that we forget about the other potentially great matchups in that dual. don't forget fausz-parrot.

come on chris. for someone who prides himself on debating using the facts, you have extrapolated way into another galaxy my statement on transfers. I didn't say anything negative about any transfer or criticize any kids for moving in anywhere. just stated a fact that graham isn't the only team that benefits from transfers.

One of the best duals possible for sure , I don't see any other matchups as interesting but Mathews and Chamberle will be a great one Mathews whoo hoo with a win at Fairfield over a D1 signed top ranked Ohio wrestler , impressive even with injuries involved , need to see some offense from either of them on their feet . Not just Chamberle waiting for his strong suit and overpowering top position work . Either needs to get a takedown to make a statement .

not sure how many If any CC is down but it could take a full squad to win ,ATM

Out for CCs pin record not sure he can get it this yr and Mueller is a good wrestler but a bit green to seriously challenge Austin , I do like him and his style and even his physique he has a lot of potential I would like to have helped him he is thick and could become very powerful he's just the wrong weight . Not sure of sks heavy and Sinclair has been injured so maybe they switch things up .

Good to see Myers and Cooper going face to face and not running. Looks like a few transfer studs running from KY studs in lower weights to protect there records. Them Union boys make people run. Funny stuff, so much for stud transfers. Prediction for Myers and Cooper 7-6 Myers.

Is this match at CC or SK?

fanofwrestling - you are correct. talking to a parent tonight and so many of us get caught up in the main event that we forget about the other potentially great matchups in that dual. don't forget fausz-parrot.

come on chris. for someone who prides himself on debating using the facts, you have extrapolated way into another galaxy my statement on transfers. I didn't say anything negative about any transfer or criticize any kids for moving in anywhere. just stated a fact that graham isn't the only team that benefits from transfers.

Yes and with obvious intent ,and I am sure EVERYONE listening in understood , taking up for graham and pointing fingers at my two man Mpire

Graham doesn't need transfers they can live in Miamisburg Springfield , Huber Heights , Troy , heck they can live in Akron and still go to Graham , they have open enrollement

And why would you bother , this is a Cooper Myers thread , and I was Born in CC went to CC graduated from Highlands went to Bellevue , and i was a teenage Mr ky an ipf Ky state champ and a few x MrNKY a stretch calling my kids transfers but whatever Steph went to Highland Heights elementary , an next time your rubbing elbows with your friend at Graham ask him what I said I was going to do with Stephen and Austin many yrs ago and look where they are ,I always wanted them to wrestle in Ky but I also hated seeing them

Leave Ohio , and yes facts and discipline and organization are one of my quirks , And the fact is steph was cheated by the ref by your friend and by his wrestler ,

The fact is you seem to take up for him

And mentioned transfers from other teams to somehow make my statement and others come back on me , but all you did was show your own issue with my boys and or myself , funny how two kids coming to a team and helping them can draw heat for doing it or , more likely just me either way , end of story for me I said all I have to , and yes I do enjoy facts and the fact is , Most forums have rules I like this ones looseness I feel free to express myself more openly , But I do not call people by name because it is usually a rule not to but it's ok it's who I am and I don't need a hood , but I like the whole Mpire thing ,

SK grrrrrrr

Evolution , yes those union boys are tough but so are those Woodford boys and they are and have gone through some changes , as someone who has been on that end of everyone's comments , I think welcoming some more talent to the state is a better reaction particularly when one of their fathers if not both

Coming is and could be so helpful to the state , and If a kid can go somewhere why not if it's an easier road , most wrestlers go where they can .

Southern hospitality is much more appealing and and casts a much better light on a state that IS a great wrestling state . And Ky is that not a state full of haters out to create a villain in order to have some heroes .

Boston didn't know me from Adam but helped me and my kids as I tried to his when we met , a great wrestling dad and very helpful and informative , if your ever at home and he was at a big tourny with your kid you couldn't possibly ask for a better friend , KY is lucky to have him and them , more for us less for them .

And I didnt hear Trinity mentioning where their st champ and OW winner was originally from last yr , but I know ,

And can you be a transfer then a transfer then come back to where you were born and actually attended kindergarten and be a transfer , I don't know but I do have a birth certificate of SAM and ATM and it says Campbell County on it somewhere ?????!?

Mpire, share with us....Where was Fahy originally from????

The twinkle of his daddy's eye .lol

Not always Ky .

Mpire u made the statement about Fahy. So tell us where he transfered from.

Sids dad told me Fahys were from Ohio and moved to KY when they were young , just what I was told , doesn't matter if they were or not to me , The point is people were talking about transfers , which is a funny term to begin with people move away come back home move for jobs whatever ,

People throw the term Transfer around and pretend they are talking about pro sports stars instead of kids and family's ,it's a joke and it's used simply to diminish the accomplishments of kids who have not always been at one school ,every private school kid is a transfer to me .

Some people actually move because they do not like where they live some do move for sports , I can honestly say that my family has moved one time just for sports and wrestling , and it wasn't to CC ,it had a little to do with it but not the main reason , we moved to CC because thers where I am from and my boys had lived there before and because , PH said they needed some new jewelry although his ring clashes with his nail polish .

I agree 100% with KYgrappler a few pages back. This site use to have a lot of useful info. Now I can barely even find info regarding where tournaments are or when they start, or what the results were. I wanted to attend the Jefferson County tournament this past weekend and the location and start time could not be found ANYWHERE on this site, not even under the "MASTER SCHEDULE" list. Mpire has killed this site with his garbage and rambling about his kids who everybody already knows are good. All the good posters have been run off.

Well, I have been keeping up with this post and have found it very interesting to say the least. I have never met Mpire but hope to change that at this years state tournament. (Mpire clean out your mailbox, LoL!) I have talked with his boys and they are great young men which tells me their parents did something right in their upbringing. I wish I could see todays match-up because everyone loves a hard faught wrestling match but I don't think its fair to either wrestler to predict a winner or loser because both of them are winners in my book no matter what happens tonight. I watched the video of the match against the Graham kid at least a hundred times and what I saw was this: the Graham kid got the takedown for sure and it was after the ref ruled them out of bounds for sure so the the proper call was "wrestlers out of bounds no takedown"! No one can honestly say that the Graham kid would have succedded in getting the takedown if the ref wouldn't have first called them out of bounds so therefore it was a bogus call that definitely changed the outcome of the match from that point on. Anyone who says any different has a bias in the situation. Mpire I admire you for standing up for your kids, I have kids myself and I would fight to the death for them if I felt they were being done wrong by anyone so I have no problem what-so-ever with your position on here. Anyway that's just one opinion from a wrestling dad who has no connections with anyone on this thread, I am a true outsider! Good luck to both young men tonight you both are great wrestlers and great young men and you both should be proud of your accomplishments I know all of KY is!

Thanks big man hope to meet you as well, and the match was bogus rangers friend jumped up yelled at the ref and he caved and the whole world can see it , all the talk of the kids not seeing the wave off is speculation and I think steph did see it and it doesn't matter if he did or didn't , it was BS and with a score 2 to 2 with steph having the only takedown ,and the choice on the third he still had the edge , no one is going to ride him out for a whole period and he has only been turned once in HS and that was this summer for a quick 2 on a roll through tilt , he had the edge untill that point .

As for me ruining this site , that's kind of funny and a stretch , people bash my kids my wife and most of all me and I bash back but besides all that I talk about wrestling more than anything even if it is 90 % about my kids .

I have Been on this site hundreds of times with no one talking about anything not a peep and started threads or added to others thinking how boring and bad it is no one is on the main site of the state talking up the sport , be it wresing training dieting matches , whatever , I hardly think I ruin a site . Actually ,look up the hits on each thread ,

I am glad some

People are honest and can openly say what they see and think that call was BS and it was used as a tool to drag a kid through the mud and pump up another kid and his schools rep , garbage and I don't care who likes it anyone taking up for it is garbage as well , not many kids have as much into wrestling as Stephen or have given up more for it , not Marrinelli and no not you Ranger or any kid that has ever been at your school and none have ever been under the microscope like him either ,even this thread puts him under the gun like last week and the week before like last yr setting out most of the yr then hitting reg state and nat and getting blasted for placing seventh , an awful lot of devious hateful bad)/):$: out there waiting to pounce on a kid / dad / family /

Fact as ranger likes to put it Is Stephen and Austin has went through more for this sport than any kid any of you will ever know more training more moves more tournys more matches more heat , so don't cry about posts or point any more fingers or dare take up for anyone bashing or cheating him for anything. Ranger your transfers to CC may be looked down on by some and you can stick your cheating friends where the sun don't shine and everyone who don't like it can stick Ranger where the sun don't shine ,

And another thing they are doing a lot more of and that's bringing recognition as well as state titles to their school an state and I think that's a bit of a problem for some , and it's funny my bad rep , I know all the. CC people have had such a huge problem with me lol , we have a blast usually .

Now back to the match , honest question ,

Why the hell is a dual or duals for seeding held at SK and not somewhere else NKAC was at Sk as well , ????????

I agree 100% with KYgrappler a few pages back. This site use to have a lot of useful info. Now I can barely even find info regarding where tournaments are or when they start, or what the results were. I wanted to attend the Jefferson County tournament this past weekend and the location and start time could not be found ANYWHERE on this site, not even under the "MASTER SCHEDULE" list. Mpire has killed this site with his garbage and rambling about his kids who everybody already knows are good. All the good posters have been run off.

His post are as enjoyable as a cold sitz bath in an assisted living facility. Give him credit though, he has lasted longer than the Kardashians.

The one that knows is being quiet for the first time since I've been on the forums. Mpire will we get to see this? Everyone has been talking about this all year and you are the one that can answer all the questions.

No I can't answer all the questions and I guess I shouldn't have answered yours LOL

Bad day to wrestle ATM

Just want to say good luck to both kids you both will have great college careers ! Hopefully I'll get to see the video... I'm attending another match match to watch my nephew.

Less than 2 hours away should be fun to watch. We will get to see a lot of great matches.

Mpire is there a ever a good day to wrestle ATM?

These are the kind of matches that need legit media coverage to grow our sport. It's going to be a great dual and the only ones to know are parents, a few friends, and a few bloggers.

Any updates?

Myers 5-2. Great match. Love watching both these guys go and it was a treat tonight. Myers with a sick slide by in the first 10 seconds. Cooper escapes. Cooper goes down. Escapes. 2-2 end of 2. Myers goes down. Cooper lets him up. Myers wrestles a very smart third with copper forcing the action because he's trailing. Stephan Never getting out of position. Gets a stall warning at 30 to go. Cooper tries a desperation throw with 3 left on the clock and gives up two. Very well done! Good luck both guys the rest of the year.

Did Parrot wrestle Fausz?

Sounded like a great match. Are both staying at 152?

11-3 Fausz

full results???

I was told tonight the PH was going 138.

when is myers-cooper pt.2 would want to be able to watch the next one for sure.

Great match between the two. Fausz is an animal. he dominated the match the entire time. Austin was a little intense but he wanted the guy to wrestle him and he wasn't pushing any action so he showed him a few snaps. Campbell looked great tonight. Saw some areas of improvement that I will recommend tomorrow. I did get the Myers- Cooper match on film as did several others.

Myers 5-2. Great match. Love watching both these guys go and it was a treat tonight. Myers with a sick slide by in the first 10 seconds. Cooper escapes. Copper goes down. Escapes. 2-2 end of 2. Myers goes down. Copper lets him up. Myers wrestles a very smart third with copper forcing the action because he's trailing. Stephan Never getting out of position. Gets a stall warning at 30 to go. Copper tries a desperation throw with 3 left on the clock and gives up two. Very well done! Good luck both guys the rest of the year.

Thanks for the update. Congrats to Stephen! Congrats to both! This is great for the entire state!

Btw Campbell 54- Simon Kenton 13

Great match first 2 periods!! 3rd myers stahled whole time and Hardy wouldn't call it. Hardy should not ref CC match's Both young men are great wrestlers. Can't wait for rematch!!

Btw Campbell 54- Simon Kenton 13

OUCH!!

OUCH!!

We gave them 6 via forfeit.

Raider , wrong score , but a great match with Steph scoring quickly then Stephen kicking him , Cooper escaping in the second and getting in on a couple but not scoring , then Steph choosing down and Cooper kicki g him and forcing it and Steph pretty much trying to hold him of untill he got a stalling and then attempting a throw that ended out of bounds , then with what looked like both guys spent Cooper tried a lateral , steph side stepped and blocked and got 2 and 2 , ending up 7- 2 ,

Great match Kevin is an awesome wrestler and is in great shape , Stephen is an awesome wrestler but is not in the shape he needs to be in . Jmho

As was stated a takedown could win . No one else in the state can hang with these two and it was funny to hear someone say they were not impressed ,oh well , two studs wrestling their match and being on their level your not going to see throws multiple shots techs and the arsenal that you see when they wrestle average above average or good kids , it was what it was a battle between two state champs , who are real state champs .both are winners.

And Hardy did call stalling that's the call you know when the ref puts his hand in the air and says stalling , action !!!!!and yes Stephen was stalling and attempted a throw right after that when Cooper pressed .

Now awfully strange it was the last match of the night I doubt it happened by coincidence

And there was an awful lot of video cameras in the room , I thought only parents and teams were allowed to video ???????

Funny all the teams that skipped out were there anyway and , Austin wants to know if anyone taped his match he is very upset about why hardy hit him for a point he said he wrestled his match .

Not sure why Sk switched opponents up on him Mueller is Definatly a good 220 and Sk was down to much to try and win by switching , it didn't pay off but I understand , but I wouldn't have risked injury against a much bigger opponent on an almost certain state placer in Mueller ,

One of the reasons I don't want ATM wrestling hvy , 65 lbs is a lot to give up. I would forfeit before I wrestled an inexperienced kid that was too small for hvy . Jmo a whooping is one thing a broken leg neck or back is another , let's be smart coaches !!!!!!

And I was just kidding , Sinclair was fine honest to god I was just being silly .

I had the score (excluding the desperation throw), but there was definitely more action than I expected. I thought there would be a lot of feeling each other out, but both guys attacked the first 2 periods. That early slideby is nearly unstoppable. Kevin got in on a couple of good shots, but could not finish. Stephen played it smart in the 3rd, but I think much of that was due more to the pressure from Kevin, as he was really pushing for a score, than Stephen purely stalling out for the win.

I thought they both wrestled smart , steph got off the slide bye and fought of the shots , attempted some trips and knee picks it wouldn't risk an all out shot played it safe in the third till he was warned then tried a throw after getting pressed , Kevin watching the clock wind down tried a throw reminiscent of Stephen and Globkes first match this yr and got caught .

Pretty close match much respect for Kevin he's a great wrestler .

No rest for Stephen he will have Ford from Hillsboro , Jordan Marshall ranked 1 in Ohio D3 at 152 and a stud from Rochester next week at Hammer and Anvil , unreal he has ran into studs almost all yr it seems

ATM gets a D 3 number 1 in Travis Boyd as well .

Big tourny for CC and two brothers in particular .

When can those of us not lucky enough to see the match in person watch the video?

My congrats to Stephen on an outstanding victory. Congrats to Cooper as well both are 2 of the best I've ever seen.

Any info on the Turner/Hicks match ? and Chamblee vs Matthews match ? Thanks all..

Turner has steadily improved all year , his match was very close at first but he seemed to take over as it went on he is an excellent rider as is Mathews !!!

Chamberle DID NOT WRESTLE , saw him on the stands but he didn'twrestle anyone , they said he had Strep throat or something , Mathews , match was awkward , a whole lot of stalling by his opponent on bottom that never got called , he balled up and refused to open up at all ,

Sk did not look as they usually do , with Chamberle out and CC winning all the close matches it was a blowout of epic proportions ,

It honestly felt like it was all Pre game warm up before the final match with a few highlights here and there ,Turner looked great Fausz as well , Parrot is good but seems to have excellent skill and knowledge yet does some things very wrong .Mueller got

In a scramble with a heavy and got the short end of the stick a d ended up beneath 285 lbs of CC hvy that is improving as the yr goes on ,

He needs to wrestle ATM more and more , he's a good kid and could

End up a st champ if he picks up a few things and keeps training ,

As for the JV matches , I do not see how kids win jr high state and cannot shoot its frustrating watching them I want to scream its very annoying , how the heck can you be in CC room and not be able to take any sort of shot , you see the skill and ability but it just never happens ,

If I were a coach it would change in one week , same goes for those gassing , it wouldn't happen . Just saying close to being great but a few easily fixed flaws on CC team

.

Saw the head coach at Prodigy start the yr with shots for an hour straight the first week of one yr , everyone was an offensive machine that yr and to this day they all

Shoot from lightest to heaviest .

Just remembering after the last match , Stephen and Kevin both were totally wiped out you could tell they actually were in a battle . Great match one everyone wanted to see yet one they both deserved to win , and I think their hearts were not into this match I know they both want to win , both respect each others abilities and It's a big match and all but they are actually friends , both good kids and very skilled wrestlers who gave everyone what they wanted .

Still something didn't seem right about it all . Their match being last , all the hype , and schools coaches and kids there watching that we're actually supposed to be in the duals to begin with , sort of a sideshow feel rather than a real match ,funny hearing critiques , and actually knowing that the two kids on the mat probably know more about wrestling and can willl and have done more in The sport than any two kids who have ever wrestled each other ever in the state and most watching And commenting could not come

Close to doing what these guys have ,

Just funny knowing a little about them

Seeing them since they were little guys and what they have put into the sport and watching people critique analyze and pick over them is sort of weird , perhaps I'm

Looking into it to deep or I'm

To close but it kind of pisses you off ,

Well, I for one wasn't about to miss it. My son and I missed a trip to Columbus just to see it. The match itself was phenominal. From a technical standpoint alone it was so much fun to watch. But what I was most impressed with was the sportsmanship they both displayed after the match. You could tell they both have the upmost respect for each other. They way Stephen extended his hand to help Kevin up after the match...It gave me chills. I was telling everyone it was going to be tough for me because someone was going to walk away with a loss.

Now that we've got that over with. Best of luck to the both of them for the rest of the season...thet won't need it. I will enjoy watching them put an explaination point on their all ready stellar high school career. They're both the whole package. What I hope for my son to become.

Please excuse the typos. I’m still waking up.

Just remembering after the last match , Stephen and Kevin both were totally wiped out you could tell they actually were in a battle . Great match one everyone wanted to see yet one they both deserved to win , and I think their hearts were not into this match I know they both want to win , both respect each others abilities and It's a big match and all but they are actually friends , both good kids and very skilled wrestlers who gave everyone what they wanted .

Still something didn't seem right about it all . Their match being last , all the hype , and schools coaches and kids there watching that we're actually supposed to be in the duals to begin with , sort of a sideshow feel rather than a real match ,funny hearing critiques , and actually knowing that the two kids on the mat probably know more about wrestling and can willl and have done more in The sport than any two kids who have ever wrestled each other ever in the state and most watching And commenting could not come

Close to doing what these guys have ,

Just funny knowing a little about them

Seeing them since they were little guys and what they have put into the sport and watching people critique analyze and pick over them is sort of weird , perhaps I'm

Looking into it to deep or I'm

To close but it kind of pisses you off ,

There's always going to be couch quarterbacks lol..I wouldn't take it personally.. I mean I can yell at Aaron Rogers but sures the heck doesn't mean I can play like him ......As for the slideby move wow hope my nephew can perfect that before his senior year next year or for that matter even learn what it means... perfection at its finest...

Have to sy it again. Those 2 young men are awesome. Do they both stay at 52 or will 1 of them move? It was like watching a NCAA final!!! Feeling eachother out great defense. One take down wins it. Again awesome job by both. Can't lie I was wanting Cooper to win but what a great match buy 2 outstanding young men

Mpire - Congrats to Stephen on a big win. You should be proud to have such a respectful son and to show the sportsmanship that he did. That is awesome to watch. As far as a side show....you should be ecstatic to know that people rearranged their lives to come watch the show. You know, the ref's have to pick from a random draw kit to figure out what weight to start at. I guess it just fell the way it did. Either way, it was great to have them go last and have the all the people in the building stay until the end. That was perfect in my mind and I'm sure in the back of your mind....you thought the same thing. JMO.

Great match last night by two great wrestlers. I for one would not care to see a rematch, my reason being that it would probably come in the postseason. That would mean one of these fine wrestlers will be out of a state title. Either one can win 152 ot 160, so hopefully for nky's sake they split and bring two titles home. I for one would like to see Kevin bump to 160. But if they do wrestle, a rematch I am sure would be just as exciting as the first. Fine job men

Stephan Myers vs Kevin Cooper

Ok now that I watched the video Im going to make my comments

#1 great match by everyone even santa (tom hardy)

#2 a great lesson to teach young and beginning wrestlers, find a great takedown that works and drill it 100x a day like Stephen probably does with his slide by.

#3 I dont understand why Copper was content wrestling upperbody, seems like Stephen has an advantage there (stronger hips and bigger chest)

#4 Cooper looks small for a 152 but maybe its the video

#5 Hope everone has a great season going forward

Agree with bigedcoach. Great match between two evenly matched wrestlers. Myers slide by is a thing of beauty. I don't think Cooper saw it coming. Myers leg defense at end of 2nd was great. Cooper was in deeeeeeep and could not finish. Myers definitely stalling in 3rd, did he ever take a step forward? Cooper pushing the action looking for td and stall call. I think the ref did a nice job, could have given the stall warning sooner but I think he did a nice job. Two good wrestlers can make life easy or miserable. These guys made it easy, very clean match with no crazy scrambles. A wrestling fan can only hope for a re-match. My bet is that one of these guys goes 60 (the winner of this match gets choice, ha!) so they both have clear path to state finals.

They will not be the same weight at state !!!

And yeah random

Draw , wink wink right !!!!!!! Kevin is a bit shorter and thick and powerful Stephen a bit taller with maybe some reach , although Stephen is stronger than he looks he was smart not letting Cooper get inside where he is very good , I wouldnt say Cooper is small for 152 but maybe it's me , but i think both could make 145 if they wanted , Stephen did not go all out on his shots a good pick attempt and a half hearted shot or two and a trip attempt ,.smart throw attempt in the third with Cooper pressing and at the edge of the mat , a lot more in both of their arsenals than what was shown a lot of respect and intelligence by both not trying the flash and hitting basics .

I think Stephen is better suited than Kevin for 160 but it's just my opinion Stephen is a small 160 but has a bit of height and reach , Kevin is powerful and likes ties and has a style that would let him rack up points on bigger 160s , it doesn't really matter , Both can win at any of 4 weights if they wanted , maybe more but I didn't say that , they might actually in all honesty beat everyone up to ATM and they have both beaten Him , Before

Now my opinion is off the videos from last year (nat duals) and this match, Stephen looks like he has been able to get some food away from Austin at the dinner table (not fat) He just looks big. weight class for both isnt an issue. They both could probably win from 145 - 170 easy Nationally they probably are both 45's Like you said Mpire when you have 2 great wrestlers the one with the best basics wins and usually the one who wins the first and last takedowns

No one gets any food from Austin , it's insane !!!! !!!!

I went to practice today and everyone was did u see this, did u see that? What if this, what if that? Everyone was excited that it had happend, including myself. I first off want to say thank you to Steph and Kevin. You guys didn't have to do that match, you chose to. Very admirable of both of you. I've heard people say this and that about the match, but for what its worth, I thought it was great. Super slick slide by by Steph, thought Kevin was gonna score at the end of the 2nd. The 3rd was fireworks! Very enjoyable to see a 6 minute hard fought match. All I could think to myself is, "I want my kids to work like this when they are live wrestling". I guarantee if your kids can work and keep that pace for 6 minutes, they will be animals. I seriously doubt that Kevin or Steph even log on here, but if they do, I want to say thanks again. You guys are great and I wish you all the best at the next level. I'll be keeping up and rooting for you.

Yeah Steff is hard to score on a bit lasy now and then a bad HS habit but he scrambles his but off and has good balance , wish everyone could see the match or at least part of it with French , his leg extended up to frenchs head and still he hopped all over and never gave up a takedown , I am sure everyone at the rumble thought it was crazy , I can honestly say he hasn't given up an honest takedown all year :)/> When it counted

And no they didn't have to wrestle the match they could have went other weights and kept their records secure , fortunate for Steph he won ,"Kevin has already Signed "and I am sure he will do well at Chatanooga , funny I was talking about that school a day or two before they announced Kevin was going there our friend Matt Koz wrestled there and he was a beast and is a fierce coach totally brutal ,

As for training younger guys just build good habits and find a decent partner to drill extra with , it makes the difference , because you never know when they will build bad habits and what may save their butts one day .

And if a HS coach says you can't beat a good kid with a simple move as Stephens did his fresh yr argue the point , Stephen beat Dance with a slide bye and a scored a lot more a few weeks later , he usually shoots for scores though , different against Kevin and Marrinelli ,

I used to watch Kevin he always had a fierce standing Russian two on one he hammers people with it , he has a good shot now as well he is a complete wrestler ,

I guess it was good they had a great match and gave everyone what they wanted ,I had hoped if they wrestled it would have been at GMVA and not SK , I know it made it easier for the KY fans but it was just my preference , guess its good after all it was in Ky where these two good kids are from , best of luck to Kevin and they should be proud it was an exciting match,now it's over and I hope they can get motivated for a big state run and a nice finish on the yr , I think if it were up to them they never would have wrestled each other it was pressured on them , I hope they both win state in a big way each take their 3 titles , and me and old man Cooper get to watch our sons wrestle in college and maybe catch a match or two of Austin's together, he's a nice change from all the little guys who get all the props ,

I would also like to say that he always impressed me coaching his son ,not sure why he is not a coach , but he did a great job with all his boys from what I hear and know as far as Kevin goes ,

I think I have seen Kevin and then Hiero around since second or third grade or so , they all deserve titles ,

Ha, ol man Cooper took over the Twenhofel program for a while when Kevin was in middle school. He had a hell of a team. I've talked with him on a few occasions and he seems to be a real down to earth type guy. Not sure of his wrestling background, but his offspring gets it done!! I won't swear to it, but as far as I know, Kevins brother Brad was probably the most successful collegiate wrestler to come out of Kentucky. As for my younger guys, thanks for the advise Mpire, it will go to good use.

He was always vocal and never hesitated to call out moves , some coaches are so mellow I think kids respond better to coaches who are more active or vocal at least in youth and jr high . Some

Coaches in youth just set back and seem to watch and you can see in their kids faces when they wrestle kids who's coaches are more vocal or active that they think their own coaches are slacking on them .

I have seen some dad coaches that are of the chain yelling all kinds of crap three moves at once and get up get up get up get up ,

At least have a couple of solid moves and an escape and a takedown that you know, your kid knows and you understand , my kids say I do not know anything because I can't do any thing ,or I can't teach a move I cannot do , not sure if they think that or simply do not want me trying to get them to drill but I do know how to make them pick up a rock and do lunges for a half hour or so .

And yeah I would let ol man Cooper coach my little guy any day or my big one . I think he would have fun coaching Austin no telling what it would look like he would have some poor 220s beat to death with snaps Russians and I am

Sure he would have Austin going for his Head Cruncher head and arm it seems like a Cooper type move , I would be worried though I think he would make Austin wrestle hvy ,knowing him college open hvys , I think he made Kevin wrestle up four of six classes when he was a youth ,

Ha, ol man Cooper took over the Twenhofel program for a while when Kevin was in middle school. He had a hell of a team. I've talked with him on a few occasions and he seems to be a real down to earth type guy. Not sure of his wrestling background, but his offspring gets it done!! I won't swear to it, but as far as I know, Kevins brother Brad was probably the most successful collegiate wrestler to come out of Kentucky. As for my younger guys, thanks for the advise Mpire, it will go to good use.

Brad was successful, and very dominating in KY. He was real slick, loved watching him wrestle. He did have a successful collegiate career, three time NAIA All American, but i think the most successful would have to be Kyle Ruschell. four time NCAA div 1 national qualifier, and two time div 1 all american.

and mark cooper is a great guy, great coach and great dad. also someone i would like to model myself after as a "wrestling dad". his kids' and nephews' success is enough said. the coopers are probably the best wrestling family in ky history.

The last part of your post literally had me laughing out loud! Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt what you said at all. I just really understand what your saying as a Dad. All though I wrestled, I feel like my son often thinks ol Dad don't know what he's talking about. If he turns out to be as good as yours, I'll be tickled. I just want him to reach his potential, whatever that may be. I look forward to meeting you Mpire.

For sure even in Ohio everyone has heard of them when people used to bring up Ky they always mentioned them , we always had fun watching practices and talking a little wrestling and everything else .

Yeah me too , I remember making my kids do walk the walls at the gym I always tried to mix in a little wrestling stuff Iin their gym workouts that is when Stephen actually trained , anyway he looked at me and said why should we do them you can't even do them , well I showed him I hit about thirty of them ,

Just kidding I couldn't do one if my life depended on it , but I wanted to well ..... Strangle him ... But instead I said I can't but so an so and so and so can so you better then I showed him a few thing he couldn't do that I could and told him he would

Never ever be able to do them and he won't , it's not his thing and everyone needs to excell and train harder at what they wish to do be or accomplish , I was always to hard on old steph I know but it's funny that slide by everyone keeps tailking about I made him and his brother hit it in their drills for years twice a day , they used to drill before they got on the bus in the morning , I knew I didn t know as much about wrestling as most coaches or even a lot of dads

Who wrestled but the same principles apply to wrestling as they did my sports if I out train you I will beat you and I always had them train extra more and harder , a big advantage having a brother near your sise and age and I tried to learn as they did and Added what I knew in with what we and they learned about wrestling and I always listened to those with more experience than me which was just about everyone . Either way drill over and over and it becomes second nature , and he does have a good slide by him and Austin but its not what he hits , Lol look at it closer

Damn, your right! A slide by is hit from an underhook, he hits a throw by. My mistake. Very nice none the less,

Underhook or elbow. Either or. Man I missed that!

If you were looking for great wrestling family, I know the coopers will always rank high but the Irvins from Union and the family that feed the Hoptown teams of the late 80's would probably rank higher

Slide bye is better for little guys it's easier I think , the throw by is a little slicker and requires a little more technique . Drilling both sides on both is a must , just like set ups , ATM sets up either side and it ticks people off because he is very good at both , he did it long ago because it ticked his brother off and he got good at it .

Austin hit it at Grant last yr and they looked at him

Like he was from Mars or something , he became instant Captain / Coach .

Slide bye is better for little guys it's easier I think , the throw by is a little slicker and requires a little more technique . Drilling both sides on both is a must , just like set ups , ATM sets up either side and it ticks people off because he is very good at both , he did it long ago because it ticked his brother off and he got good at it .

Austin hit the throw bye at Grant last yr and they looked at him

Like he was from Mars or something , he became instant Captain / Coach .

Throw byes and slide byes are so easy. One of my favorite moves

Seriously ranking family's , Admiral Cooper , General Irvin , what about the Carrs are they Comanders in Chief .let's not go there they all are impressive all I know is that before coming back to KY all I heard about was Coopers and Nate Carr a bit later probably because of my locale , either way it's kind of tacky

Doesn't matter anyway you don't have to have the most or the best you just need to be a Field Marshall and run your Panzer over everyone and win everything , I hear rumors of a Tank battle unlike any other , my Panzer against a Sherman from Louisville , I'll take the Panzer , I hear the Sherman has obliterated everyone but my Panzer is mobile and you can't shoot it very easily and when you do and miss your left wide open for a counter shot that usually leaves everyone in a wreck

1. Awesome match! Was Meyer trying a knee blast? Thought I saw three attempts. The slick by at the beginning was triumphant. The hours upon hours and thousands of reps it takes to reach that level are lost in a flash. Cooper, as great as he is, never saw it coming.

2. I actually see Mpire's point about team loyalty.

3. For the right price JJ will be anyone's friend. I'm sure JJ considers you a friend too, Ranger.

He looked like he tried hard once for the knee pick / blast , "blast sounds better "and again a time or two hesitantly ,by sr yr kids should be to hit all that stuff in their sleep as far as slide by and stuff ,if they would drill all the stuff they know a few times a week it would be awesome indeed .what was cool was you got to see some actual pummeling in there a lot fighting for under hooks and to keep them out , maybe boring to some but if you watch you can almost see them practicing Greco pumelling In your head , both of them have a decent or a lot of time working freestyle and Greco .

As for team loyalty me

Being the new guy "transfers " and all

I guess I should let it go ,but the reason Jordan gets away with what he does is its considered his livelihood his " buisness " not a lot of friends in the buisness world , , and having a monopoly like he does and yes there is Prodigy and Miron but both are Johnny come lately and plays on Jordan with Prodigy able to focus on other sports and being a massive complex too big to support its original goals ,

I was glad my boys got to train

At Jordan's and were trained at his camps and very glad they got Trained at Prodigy and trained there , exactly as I wrote it ,Root showed kids how to wrestle at Prodigy expanded their minds and let them know all of them that they could attempt to go to the next level , before him there were always a select few that went out and did national tournys , Root pushed for everyone to test the waters and helped some who wouldn't have actually become dominant somewhat at those levels , yes he was a businessman too but if you lived in a shoebox and showed up and were a stud he would take you to every nat tourny they went to , of course it was to have studs but it was always nice to know and to see your kids go . And yeah I had issues with him at times , big difference we would argue a bit and he and I could both admitt when we were wrong , a lot of coaches never admitt to being wrong ever or making mistakes , The thing that makes someone better or lerfect is sometimes admitting they are not , hands down the best youth jr high / Coach period I have ever seen , no comparison and no disrespect to anyone else , the guy is incredible at what he does despite all the hardships he caused us .

Guess I shouldn't be so mad at Ohio and Jordan and suck it up so to speak but thats not me it was bogus and it is exactly as I said ,they do use their reps to win ,

Enough of that Ranger is just human and looking out for his own interests , but taking up for graham / Jordan with me after that bs is like throwing gas on a fire ,watch this match watch the one with Marrinelli , carbon bro except the BS takedown after the out of bounds call .

Iwin you noticed what I said about the throw bye now watch both matches and you will say , Damn Damn lol

True story Miron sees my boys at a practice when they were around 5 6th grade or so says hey I will turn your boys into state champs for 5000 bucks a piece , I liked his style as far as wrestling it was different and exciting to watch and he seemed like a discipline and drill guy so I actually wanted him to work with my kids and at the time Stephen was throwing everyone almost every match it was his thing at that stage , I looked at Miron an said I will train them myself or they could come in second and I started laughing , my boys never went to his site they were at a couple of his mini camps at schools but we never went ,to much capitalism in some of these guys methods .

In the end it's about the kids and the sport , not about who can pay for it but who wants it .

After seeing a few of the better clubs , a Jordan's isn't hard to pull off , He just has a jump on everyone and has a few super studs to build on as well of course as his vast knowledge of wrestling , but as far as his huge open mats are concerned , a wealthy soccer mom could do that open a room charge 10 bucks for kids to wrestle live and it could become huge if a few studs showed up and kids came to feed of of it ,

hard to believe KY doesn't have something like that , perhaps it's the numbers . Or perhaps it's like it is In SW Ohio Cincy everyone is to worried about recruiting or whatever .or it is what I think people need to be led around and enjoy paying for things it makes them feel secure ,either way someone would ruin it or make it crooked before it was over with anyway .Either way I wish I had not been so jump the gun at times but I am glad I did things my way as well , Just didn't count on teenage idiocy to get In our way as well as a few other things , life throws at you , always prepare CYA , Cover your Ass people lol , long drifting post useless to most sorry .

Great match a wild sr yr so far for both these boys , Kevin is set and should be proud a good school and close enough to KY so friends and Family can catch his work hope steph chooses wisely and gets someplace he likes as well .

Congratulations Chris....both young men lived up to all the hype....The absolute best ! I told Kevin at National Duals in Indiana that I just love to watch him wrestle...I second that for Stephen.... Best of luck to all the guys at CC and Simon Kenton.....One month until "Go Time" The other night was one of the many highlights of the season of how it's done....Looked like Dake and Taylor battling it out....Man that was a battle ! Kentucky HAS arrived and CAN compete with anybody in the nation !

Thirdround...love the enthusiasm. I the same way.

Congrats to Kevin and Stephen they were working hard that whole match .

As I said I do not think they whole heatedly wanted to wrestle each other and I know it's not because they are scared they know they are both good and either could win .I think it was something that was pushed on them I know they are both confident and great wrestlers but they are friends and respect each others abilities probably more now than before .

They were able to get up for a match that surely put them under a huge amount of pressure with all that hype , 2 2 x state champs 3 x placers with their resumes . Thinking about it I doubt any two KY wrestlers with their histories has ever wrestled , pretty cool actually .that was the biggest match in the state this yr hands down no other can come close and when it's all said and done and people look back it probably rates number one all time on paper. That's pretty awesome ,

I am sure they are glad everyone is proud of them

With all the nerves and anxiety most people probably didn't realise what they were actually seeing , it was good I have watched it over and over Stephen is lightning fast and super slick and Kevin is lightning fast and relentless , it was very good . Lots of ties some good shot attempts and some used just to fake or keep the other guy off balance or burn time ,

Either way No one can down either and no one can say anyone ran from someone , and everyone got what they wanted , I know Kevin wanted to win but I know he knows he could they were pretty even with a little different styles and strategies .

State will be a big thing for them but , after that it will be a cakewalk and of course there are those out there thinking they will take it lightly , I'm sorry to tell them I actually think they both will wrestle much better relaxed not thinking about wrestling each other , I'm betting they were BOTH in a strange state the week before their match . And I don't know about Taylor Dake , but I do know that was a lot better match and as good or better wrestlers than you will see in a lot of college matches . Hope they go undefeated the rest of the yr and win their 3rd and then tear it up at nationals Flo or whatever they are doing , Steph is headed to NHSCA and says he's going 145 , Not sure about Kevin he did Flo last yr but hopefully they do Fargo a couple weeks of them training together and I think they could both AA it would be awesome , I expect a big difference this yr at Fargo compared to last ,a 220 lb difference LoL

I doubt my other son Austin ever gets the chance to have this type of in state match , same goes for pretty much everyone else currently wrestling , these two had everything set up for the ultimate match up , pretty cool proud of my Son and Kevin they will be rembered forever for their big match , that's awesome . Everyone there will remember and most were impressed , .

As usual its on to the next tournament and day but honestly I felt like taking my boy out for a beer or something And I don't even drink .

Third round good luck to your boy and I hope he gets it done this yr I know it's a battle trying to fill out and all but it will come , good luck to all the Erdmans as well , Ryle is on the rise for sure .

Regionals at CC should be exciting stuff .

mpire.

Just saw 1 of your posts with comments about Miron in it. You are right he does charge what he thinks he's worth. There is much more to this man than you give him credit for. You may not belive it but he cares very deeply for those kids that come to him. A good example of this is when Jordan passsed away this summer he cleared his schedule and made the 4-5 hour trip to come to his furneal though we had not trained with or seen him for the 2 1/2 years since jordan graduated from high school. He still calls me every month to month and a half to check on me and the rest of the family. This post is not meant to a shot at you or to even try to change anyones ideas of what they believe about him. It just me letting people know that there is another side of the man that very few people know about.

nick murphy

That's awesome and I could see him caring like that ,and sorry for your loss , as I said I wanted my kids to train with him very badly he always complimented them and always has and has always been respectful , and I think hes a great coach and shows awesome stuff , my comment was just aimed at the price , I couldn't afford his , If I could have Stephen and Austin would probably be throwing kids all over the place ,

I always made them battle

The Miron kids very hard ,they were good and I know Miron is good some of the parents of the Miron trained kids around Columbus and Cincy were ....... Kind of punky / cocky .

same goes for their kids ,like me but not my kids ... My kids have never lost to a Miron wrestler ,

I remember Cincy nationals Miron always did an exhibition having his wrestlers show all his stuff big fancy throws things I couldn't even explain belly to belly twisting far out Miron stuff , our youth coach looks at a kid out there showing all this stuff and says wow that kida awesome , I said yeah steph has him I'm his class , he says oh $h/t I say , he can beat him , they line up ref says wrestle kid goes to throw Sam he blocks it throws him pin 6 sec ,it's how it goes , you don't have to be fancy or spend thousands , or buy fancy bands and training equipment when there are good rocks outside that you can do more with .

Mpire, I just wanted to Congratulate you and your sons on the many wins, Stephen with his more resent win over Cooper (SK) 7-2 that is outstanding! Then Austin with his victory in Ohio this past weekend, all line in 1st period! They truly are great athletes!

Mpire, I just wanted to Congratulate you and your sons on the many wins, Stephen with his more resent win over Cooper (SK) 7-2 that is outstanding! Then Austin with his victory in Ohio this past weekend, all line in 1st period! They truly are great athletes!

Did not mean to post that twice, sorry

I won't swear to it, but as far as I know, Kevins brother Brad was probably the most successful collegiate wrestler to come out of Kentucky. As for my younger guys, thanks for the advise Mpire, it will go to good use.

There was never any disrespect intended towards Kyle. He is someone that I am very proud of as a Kentucky wrestler. In my opinion, I believe that you can make a strong argument for either of these guys.

IWIN....I don't even really want to go here because I think it's tacky and i have much respect for both. But there is no argument when comparing achievements. No disrespect to Cooper. He was one of the states best ever.

PinAndWin, I didn't have any type of malicious intent for the comment. It was simply an opinion. I'm not sure where its tacky, but that is your opinion. Is Kyle probably more known for his achievements, sure. My point is, when you compare the cream of the crop from D1 to NAIA or even JUCO, I don't see a whole lot of difference. Both of these men have my utmost respect. Let's not take a mere compliment and turn it into something different.

Mpire,

thank you for the kind comments I enjoyed them very much.

I did not have the ability to train my kids, when they started wrestling I had never even seen a high school wrestling match. Jordan did not start wrestling till the 8th grade so I needed to make up ground as fast we could. that is how we got to Miron's.

The funny thing about Miron is that what he shows at his exibitions is not what he teaches at his camps. You do nothing but practice inside trips, out side sweeps, single/double legs etc, then the counters to each of these moves. obtw I still have the rocks in my house that the kids used at his camps. lol

ps

I am looking foward to be able to watch your kids wrestle live for the 1st time at state this year.

Didn't know Miron used rocks lol , and I figured Miron used some of the fancy stuff to lure people

In , I heard he was a strict drill kinda guy , made me mad my kids never got to go there even more . I didn't know he used rocks LoL I stole my ideals on the rocks

From

Watching the French foreign legion train , a Rock is a very fancy piece of equipment in the desert . Lol

My boys may have some wars ahead this yr , neither are perfect

That wrestler , thanks

My point is, when you compare the cream of the crop from D1 to NAIA or even JUCO, I don't see a whole lot of difference.

Really? Interesting. I think most would opine that NAIA is on par with DII/III but not DI.

But wouldn't most agree that D2 and 3 is probably on par with D1? If this is so, that makes NAIA just as relevant. And I have seem JUCO wrestlers step up to D1 and fall right into place. It's all relative to who you want back.

Your missing the point all the way around. First, I wasn't saying Your statement was tacky. I was saying to sit here and argue about it was tacky BUT you said Cooper was probably the best ever in Ky . I was merely agreeing with DamonMBarnes. An didn't want it to become a major debate. Wasn't offended by your opinion just totally disagree. It's ok:)

Your missing the point all the way around. First, I wasn't saying Your statement was tacky. I was saying to sit here and argue about it was tacky BUT you said Cooper was probably the best ever in Ky . I was merely agreeing with DamonMBarnes. An didn't want it to become a major debate. Wasn't offended by your opinion just totally disagree. It's ok:)

That's cool man. I see what your saying now. Thanks for clarifying. And your right, no debate needed, these are two of the best, ever.

Agreed

All good points and hugs and kisses , It was a heck of a match wed maybe one of the best ever in the state , and in5 , 6 or 7 yrs it will all be a pointless argument hopefully Stephen and Kevin are the best ever , they just gave everyone the match they wanted to see for the last two yrs ,

Reuschell is a D1 AA hard to argue with that and hard to argue about the divisions , either way , I wonder what kids wrestling in Ky HS right now will become AAs in college in any div , rather have a positive thread than an admiral trumps general loses to Czar type thread ,

I wonder if Kevin or Stephen ever manage to AA thu have the skill and have been all over the country wrestling , Stephen has wrestled all over the country wins in an awful lot of states , Austin having a bit more success minus Fargo which is probably top of the mountain ,and places in Powerade and Iron Man , but ATM has much better placing at NHSCA nat , this yr will be good hope they all place again ,

Let's kill the top family thread do something fun and constructive like , who do you love to hate thread

Wasn't intending to dis either family. Great respect for both. I fully expect Austin and Stephen to take their place as the best ever or in that discussion when all said and done. No doubt.

Really? Interesting. I think most would opine that NAIA is on par with DII/III but not DI.

Chionuma, an NAIA Champion for Lindenwood in 2011, came in ranked 15th, and an underdog to Iowa’s 6th-ranked Ethan Lofthouse. But Chionuma won 3-2, and gave the edge to the hometown Cowboys who eventually won 18-12 in a dual without a single bonus point.

Your opinion is void!!!!!!

Really? Interesting. I think most would opine that NAIA is on par with DII/III but not DI.

I think in terms of depth there is no contest. DI is heads and tails above the others. That said, there is not a lot of money available at the DI level, 9.9 schollies total per team. So, I would guess that many top level DII, DIII, and NAIA can compete at the DI level.

I've seen many Div I scrubs, compared to other DI wrestlers anyway, do very well against lower division AAs and even champs (yours truly included). My point is not to denigrate the lower divisions.

It's interesting. Colt Sponsellor was a top

recruit when he came out a few years ago. He was consistently ranked top 6-8. However, he only made AA once and had to battle Howe, Mornigstar, and some kid from Nebraska named Jordan Burroughs. Had he gone to Ashland he probably could have had multiple titles.

That brings us back to Mr Cooper and Mr Meyer. Do they have the talent and potential to go Big Ten or EIWA? Probably. Would they make AA? Who knows? I bet they'd both excel on the mat at L-W, Campbellsville, or Notre Dame though. The question to me then is do you want a degree from L-W and an AA plaque or a few varsity letters from Lehigh and the network that goes with it? Perhaps another option is a small DI school where you can compete on a stage with the big boys and not risk being buried on the depth chart like Tessari and Paddock.

I bet Mpire is in the midst of these decisions right now. Everyone is different and there's no right choice, but I know what I'd do.

Nice problem to have though.

Well , I'm in the midst of a lot of things Stephen is talking to a few coaches , he can do whatever he wants in this sport everyone knows it. At least anyone who has been around him when he's full tilt 100 % go .

He will do what he wants

Austin on the other hand will go D1 can go to any school Big ten or otherwise and will be an AA AA or more .