Well, it has been three whole weeks since the last edition and I have received some good feedback and made a few adjustments that I'm sure will spark some discussion.

103

Un Co Aaron Carr  10

Sen Elliott Martin  11

Tri Dan Smith  11

JC Zach Salyers  8

FC Tommy Warren  9

Lar Co Joey Henderson  9

SO Brandon Whitehouse  9

Cald Co Patrick Wimbleduff  9

JH Kirby Goodwine  9

Bou Co Adam Muoio  10

Man Scott Deschamp  10

TC Anthony Merkel

Mc Cen Luke Troxell  8

Ryle Austin Palmer  9

Cam Co Sean Hammons  8

112

FC Caleb Wood  12

Way Co Travis Sullivan  11

Eas Joaquin Luna  10

Wood Co Shane Parks  11

Un Co Adam Carr  12

PD Jon Voth  11

Bull Cen James Badgett  11

NO Andre Zeppa  11

Lar Co Tritsten Hines  10

Whit Co Dalton Evans  11

Mc Cen Daniel Bowling  10

Con TJ Bates  9

Sou Patrick Lile  11

Vall Mike Miller  12

Tri Erin McCauley  9

119

Sen John Chui  12

Way Co Bryan Daniels  11

JH Josh Johnson  9

JC Cory Spencer  11

HC Cliff Cornett  12

Mon Co Ross Carpenter-Fraser  11

CH Mason Bradbury  10

St X Nick Norwood  12

Cam Co Talon Deinlein  11

Scott Gabe Supe  11

FC Josh Burkett  11

NO Antonio Zeppa  12

PRP Corey Mills  11

Tri Jacob Barton  11

Ryle Andrew Isler  12

125

PD Tyler Voth  12

Wood Co Coty Lewis  11

Un Co Isaac Ervin  10

Sen Dan Fuller  12

Way Co Coty Vinsant  11

Con Rashad Brown  12

HC Matt Zarth  10

Lar Co Darwin Perez  12

SC Matt Slone  9

Tri Grant Ohlman  9

Moore Steve Willbanks  9

Laf Nathan Speck

Per Co Cen Charles Turner  12

Bal Kendrick Jones  12

Scott Ethan Miller  12

130

Old Co Ben Warner  12

NH Matt Eck  12

JC Jordan Freeman  10

JH Justin Pitcher  11

FC Derek Branch  11

Lar Co Lucas Carmen  11

Un Co Jake Wempe  11

Cam Co Korey Shotwell  9

Nel Co Forest Rehrig  12

Cald Co Sam Mitchell  10

Moore Crayton McCain  12

Fair Mike Seeders  12

Bull Cen Chris Pearson  12

Laf Ryan Traylor  12

SK Zach McGuffey  12

135

SC Brandon Howard  12

JH Cassidy Veach  12

Lar Co Matt Miller  11

Cam Co Kyle Griffith  11

Wood Co Steven Butler  12

Sen Zach Poulton  11

SO Cody Hall  12

Eas Paul Marks  12

Old Co Trey Morlatt  11

Tri Trent Kelley  11

Laf Alex Allman  12

And Co Shane Carey  11

Chr Co Jake Skinner  11

Un Co Carson Chambliss  12

SK Dusty Brown  10

140

Ryle Bryan Peace  11

Scott Daniel Thueneman  12

Har Co Josh Ashbrook  11

Lar Co Evan Smith  12

Tri Ben Case  12

FC Kevin Stewart  12

St X Cory Kress  12

Eas Blake Kraft  12

Way Co Kacy Kennedy  11

Con Jake Lee  9

Wood Co Chad Scott  11

SC Eric Musick  12

Bull Cen Justin Walls  10

NO Tom Kusnir  12

Ohio Co Jonathan Miller  12

145

Wood Co Harrison Courtney  10

Lar Co Patrick Banks  12

Un Co Mitch Ervin  11

FC Malcolm Jackson  12

Har Co Beau Sanders  11

Hol John Golsby  12

St X Chip Condon  12

NH Johnivon Oggs  12

Fr Co Ryan Tingle  11

Way Co Billy Floyd

Ft Camp Rob Caracillo  12

Jeff Phillip White

JC Travis Scott  10

TC Jamal Mohammed  12

Eas Mikal McNealy  11

152

Lar Co Scott Wheeler  12

Mc Cen Randall Stevens  12

FC Ben Barger  11

And Co Sammy Isaacs  11

Tri Brad Hitchings  9

Way Co Tim Winchester  11

Wood Co Blake Sheehan  11

Bull Cen Jeremiah Walls  10

Har Co Corey Ward  12

Ohio Co Josh Ringkor  12

Ft Knox Kendrick Shaw  12

Hend Co Michael Helsley  10

Sen Beau Gadegaard  12

St X Cole Grant  12

Con Ryan Dillon  11

160

FC John Wolsiefer  11

SK Josh Cooper  12

Lar Co Bryant Barnhill  12

NH Ty Wolf  11

DH Brad Denham  12

CH Joe Collin  12

Cam Co Tom Brownfield  11

Wood Co Justin Mays  12

Old Co Wes Combs  12

Chr Co Cory Armstrong  11

SC Ricky Burgess  12

Cen John Thomas  11

Tri Josh Lewis  9

Mc Cen Randy Vanover  12 / Brian Rose

Bull Cen Thomas Salter  12

171

Eas Ben Rupp  12

Ryle Mason Reid  11

NH Matt Baker  12

Tri John Florence  12

SC Adam Dials  11

PD Sheridan Likoy  12

Whit Co Jaron Singley  12

Mc Cen Ryan Harlow  9

Un Co Dionte Wright  11

HC Derek Kirchner

SO Cody Lasseigne  11

SK Ryan Vaughn  11

Har Co Bobby Barkley  11

Moore James Schneider  11

FC Kurt Waller  11

189

Wood Co Will Starks  12

NH Mark Jones  11

Laf Matt Green  11

PD Doug Winter  12

Lar Co Jake Shipp  12

SC Ryan Kelly  10

CH Terry Turner  12

DH Steve Benson  11

HC Zack Guiler  12

Vall Joe Raleigh  12

SO Ryan Houchens  10

Mc Cen Steven Watson

Ohio Co Jarrod Aull  12

Cald Co Curt Martin  12

SK Michael Haught  12

215

Mc Cen Jacob Watson  12

FC Deon Chaney  11

Tri Jordan Whiting  10

Sen Jordan Dockery  12

Lar Co Joe Embree  12

SC Justin Chaffin  11

Doss Derek Nickel  11

Cam Co Billy Fuller  11

PD Hunter Eade  12

SO Cameron Hartman  11

Ft Camp Zach Rinestine  11

Wood Co Bobby Neal  12

Ryle Steve Bodenbender  12

JH Jesse Kerrison  12

Law Co Jason Delong  12

285

Wood Co Matt Byrd  12

Old Co Josh Young  12

Ohio Co Adam Burdin  12

Fair Robby Brown  12

SK Adam Patterson  12

Mc Cen Chris Espinoza  12

Vall Will Smith  11

New Devon Boxx  11

PD Jeff Faulkner  12

Ft Knox Anthony Bailey  11

NH Matt Ballinger  12

Laf Evan Bullock

Way Co Brandon Bell  9

Har Co Austin Murdoch  12

TC Nathan Gray  10

Team

1 Larue County

2 Woodford County

3 Fern Creek

4 Trinity (Louisville)

5 North Hardin

6 Union County

7 Seneca

8 Wayne County

9 McCreary Central

10 Paul Dunbar

11 Sheldon Clark

12 John Hardin

13 Ryle

14 Eastern

15 Oldham County

16 Johnson Central

17 Campbell County

18 Simon Kenton

19 Harrison County

20 South Oldham

21 Henry Clay

22 Central Hardin

23 St. Xavier

24 Lafayette

25 Scott

26 Ohio County

27 Bullitt Central

28 Conner

29 Valley

30 Dixie Heights

during pre-season conditioning, antonio zeppa weighed 134 and is lookin to go 125 most likely, still possibly 119...tom kusnir weighed 141 and said he was aimin at 130

during pre-season conditioning, antonio zeppa weighed 134 and is lookin to go 125 most likely, still possibly 119...tom kusnir weighed 141 and said he was aimin at 130

I was just wondering why valley is in the top 30 teams and southern isnt on there.Southern has beat valley more than once.I beleive southern deserves a spot on the top 30...

I was just wondering why valley is in the top 30 teams and southern isnt on there.Southern has beat valley more than once.I beleive southern deserves a spot on the top 30...

Good question.  The team rankings are based on my "projection" of team points (and finish) at the state tournament.  So, even though other teams in the region may be better than Valley, right now I am thinking that they will put up just a couple more points.  And it truly is just a couple.  Joe Raleigh and Beebop are giving them a slight edge right now.

Southern 112 this is state rankings.  Where the team will finish in the state tourney.

Take for example Lawrence Co. In a regular tourney they probably don't place very well.  Since they had Murton and expecially when they had both Murtons the team placed higher at the state tourney than in smaller tourneys or duals.

Just having one state champion will get you in the top 30 if not the top 20. 

i also think that ben edwards from valley will show up and suprise some people this year as well....and he is from valley also.....

i also think that ben edwards from valley will show up and suprise some people this year as well....and he is from valley also.....

He is on my radar, just not scoring points yet.  Can you confirm that Joe Raleigh will be a senior?

He is on my radar, just not scoring points yet.  Can you confirm that Joe Raleigh will be a senior?

yes joe raliegh is a senior....and i see him placing this year also....

Hey

Why isn't the vaughn kid from Sk for 112 not in there? The other vaughn is in there at 171, (maybe) football first I THINK)>

I think he is also running c.c. I still heard he beat Bates and Chitwood at camp, I also was told he got his butt kicked too,,

I am keeping my eye on him,,,,,

Hey

Why isn't the vaughn kid from Sk for 112 not in there? The other vaughn is in there at 171, (maybe) football first I THINK)>

I think he is also running c.c. I still heard he beat Bates and Chitwood at camp, I also was told he got his butt kicked too,,

I am keeping my eye on him,,,,,

He's #16.

i have wrestled both Murdock of harrison and bullock of lafyette and i am strongly leaning towards murdock is way stronger and more technical. Bullock is to slow and to weak i think to beat many heavy weights but he may have buffed up i sure hope he did best of luck to everyone

How did Ryan Vaughn get in there at 171, I know he is up to around 165' ish? Isn't there another Supe wrestling for Scott?

How did Ryan Vaughn get in there at 171, I know he is up to around 165' ish? Isn't there another Supe wrestling for Scott?

Two things on Ryan Vaughn.  I have Cooper at 160, 'nuff said.  He gets ranked because right now I don't see any other guys that are obviously better.

The other Supe is outside the published rankings.  He will have a tough road in that region at 112 with Bates, Vaughn, Chitwood, and Wren (who beat him for 5th at region).  I only show 15 right now to limit some of the "I beat so and so, why is he ahead of me".  Some of that is good, because I don't see all of the results from week to week.  But when we're talking about being #25 or #27 because you beat a guy once at a summer tournament by a couple points is questionable.

wood cant beat sullivan now no chance he can i dont think sullivan is ready for some good competion and wood will see he could have stayed at 119 and got 2nd malcom should be higher like 2 at 140 and fuller is going heavy wieght

wood cant beat sullivan now no chance he can i dont think sullivan is ready for some good competion and wood will see he could have stayed at 119 and got 2nd malcom should be higher like 2 at 140 and fuller is going heavy wieght

Are you saying Sullivan is ready for some good competition?

I think he may get some from Caleb if they meet up, both are very good, needs to be decided on the mat. Where will they meet up? Does Wayne go to WCI?

Two things on Ryan Vaughn.  I have Cooper at 160, 'nuff said.  He gets ranked because right now I don't see any other guys that are obviously better.

The other Supe is outside the published rankings.  He will have a tough road in that region at 112 with Bates, Vaughn, Chitwood, and Wren (who beat him for 5th at region).  I only show 15 right now to limit some of the "I beat so and so, why is he ahead of me".  Some of that is good, because I don't see all of the results from week to week.  But when we're talking about being #25 or #27 because you beat a guy once at a summer tournament by a couple points is questionable.

Two things on Ryan Vaughn.  I have Cooper at 160, 'nuff said.  He gets ranked because right now I don't see any other guys that are obviously better.

The other Supe is outside the published rankings.  He will have a tough road in that region at 112 with Bates, Vaughn, Chitwood, and Wren (who beat him for 5th at region).  I only show 15 right now to limit some of the "I beat so and so, why is he ahead of me".  Some of that is good, because I don't see all of the results from week to week.  But when we're talking about being #25 or #27 because you beat a guy once at a summer tournament by a couple points is questionable.

wood and sullivan will meet up sooner then expected in wayne county in the second week they will wrestle i dont know i like wood tough kid but i see sullivan beating him by 6 points sullivan is so underestemated he beat kids at the junior olympics on a national level won the scholastic invitational in pigeon forge pinning the tennessee state champ in the second period  very tough stand up and any good wrestler wont stay on the mat good match but sullivan will out wrestle wood 9 out of 10 times he can shoot and is the best lower wieght thrower in a while i have seen belive me coach upchurch will have sullivan ready for whatever wood has to throw at him i mean dont get me wrong wood is a great wrestler and person but sullivan is  little much for him to handle . Malcom Jackson will be tough to stop i really think he will win it at 140 he beat ashbrook at camp he beat saunders at camp to tough kid and hates to lose after the wieght miss last year i see him coming back strong. At 215 fuller should be up there he is for real to at camp looked good had an injusry that was nagging him but is ok to go now at wayne also will be a dandy 215 bracket Watson,Chaney,Fuller and who ever woodford has at 215 could be interesting. 189 looks good but i think houchens can beat a few of them guys up there him and matt green would have a killer match i think with houchens slittley ahead of him maybe 2 points and also steven watson , jarod uall or however you spell his name from ohio county is tough look out for them to to make some upsets at 189 next year

Fern Creek not going back to Wayne 2nd week of season.

They went last year and Wayne forfeited to Caleb at 112, he didnt even get a match against them.

wood cant beat sullivan now no chance he can i dont think sullivan is ready for some good competion and wood will see he could have stayed at 119 and got 2nd malcom should be higher like 2 at 140 and fuller is going heavy wieght

I can't believe it took this long for someone to bring this up, a whole week.  Overtimeking, We all appreciate your feedback and opinion, but come on, let's have a reality check.  To say Caleb has no chance against Sullivan is ludicrous.  I don't think you can say with a straight face that Shane Parks has no chance.  He only lost 2-0 last year.  And I think we can agree that a healthy Caleb is much tougher than Parks (no offense to Shane).  I agree, Sullivan is great and is definitely the best lightweight thrower I have ever seen (Tommy Storms was probably 2nd).  But I haven't seen him on the mat with someone the caliber of Wood.  And I think Wood's style can take Sullivan.  As eville says, time will tell and it will be decided on the mat, not by rankings or anyones opinion.  But it is fun to discuss!!!

I would also add that I think Caleb considering dropping to 112 is likely driven by his support of the team.  I'm basing this on hearing just a few things here and there and as an outside observer, but I think he is doing this primarily because it will make the team better.

I do think Caleb has the advantage.  He has a tough defense and is very tough on top.

well i might have made it sound bad towards caleb but no offense to him at all great wrestler but i  dont see him beating sullivan but who knows maybe he has something i dont know about up his sleeve

Are your next rankings going to be after practice starts?

Are your next rankings going to be after practice starts?

I might do one more at the end of this month and then wait for the updates once everyone gets into practice.

owww ranger i also wanted to sayi appreciate the ranking and love to read them gives something to talk about and someting to work for

FOR 152 kendrick shaw has moved with his family to texas. So he wont be wrestling in kentucky.

If someone wants to wrestle Sullivan during the regular season that is great. But if you are after a title you should stay out of his weight class.  JMHO

I think some of these rankings are messed up.... Sullivan told me at the Bluegrass state games, He was cutting back to 103 half way threw the season so he can wrestle 103 at state. Now about Calbe Wood he could only go to 116 last year.. Well thats what his bodyfat test said.  I think Sullivan over Wood in a six min. battle. all hands down sullivan gets the win. Maybe this could be a state finals match if Sullivan changes his mind about going to 103. Cant wait to see what happends 

I think some of these rankings are messed up.... Sullivan told me at the Bluegrass state games, He was cutting back to 103 half way threw the season so he can wrestle 103 at state. Now about Calbe Wood he could only go to 116 last year.. Well thats what his bodyfat test said.  I think Sullivan over Wood in a six min. battle. all hands down sullivan gets the win. Maybe this could be a state finals match if Sullivan changes his mind about going to 103. Cant wait to see what happends 

Are these the only 2 "messed up" things you see?  Because if you're going to make a statement like that then let's hear what your opinion is.  On Sullivan and Wood, we won't know until the season starts.  And maybe not even then because I really don't think either of these guys knows what he is really going to do.  We've heard from a lot of different sources, including the kids themselves, and still there are questions.  The body fat test from last year doesn't mean a thing.  If Caleb wants all he has to do is step on the scale the day of the test weighing 112 (adequately hydrated).  If he is below the % then I'm guessing he will be able to get a doctors sign off.  I don't think Caleb is doing this to challenge Sullivan.  I think he is considering the team and trying to get a team title as well.

ranger. cory armstrong from christian county is not going 160 this year. he is going 152. just as a heads up.

Wood and Sullivan wouldnt meet until State anyway!

just curious why carr would be ranked above martin at 103? he didn't even compete at state, martin gave his older brother a very close match in the semis at state and has improved immensely over the summer, not to mention he has gained 15 pounds and grown 5 inches, he is much stronger, I dont see carr beating him

just curious why carr would be ranked above martin at 103? he didn't even compete at state, martin gave his older brother a very close match in the semis at state and has improved immensely over the summer, not to mention he has gained 15 pounds and grown 5 inches, he is much stronger, I dont see carr beating him

You make a good point.  But you can't make the assumption that just because he was close with the older brother then he beats the younger one.  Ask the Warners about that one.  Anyway, I think these two are really, really close.  It's a toss-up.

I understand what your saying but the older carr was obviously the tougher wrestler since he had the varsity spot and they were in the same weight class, and I know that the younger brother had trouble will some of the tougher varity 103's like FC's Tommy Warren, this says to me the the older carr was the tougher of the two, but that was last year so knowbody can be sure until the seaon begins.

I understand what your saying but the older carr was obviously the tougher wrestler since he had the varsity spot and they were in the same weight class, and I know that the younger brother had trouble will some of the tougher varity 103's like FC's Tommy Warren, this says to me the the older carr was the tougher of the two, but that was last year so knowbody can be sure until the seaon begins.

I may not have been clear.  I wasn't making a case for the little Carr to be a better wrestler, only that just because his bigger, older brother beat him out for the spot doesn't mean another wrestler (Martin) is obviously better.  Maybe he gives his older brother just as good a match.  But as you say, in a matter of weeks we'll have a lot more answers.

our answers are getting really close, then we can start getting a better idea of what is really going to happen, even through the tests